I feel as if saving him was the good thing to do.
You obviously haven't seen a revived heart attack victim before like i have in rea… morel life? When someone recovers from a heart attack, said person needs medical help instantly like being hooked to a life support machine, pills, fluids maybe, all things that the group didn't have. Reviving Larry for a few seconds is all it would have done, he would have died anyway. And i highly doubt if you were there instead of behind a computer screen that you wouldn't be thinking it's a good thing to do when yours and everyone else's lives were in danger. Pretty sure you would be terrified. Please watch Fear The Walking Dead's Do Not Disturb episode. You'll see exactly why taking a risk to save Larry was not the best thing to do at all.
Plus, he begins to mutter and make human noises just before Kenny straight up kills his ass.
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What if it was Lee that had a heart attack? And you were Kenny making the decision? Lilly wants to revive. Larry says crush his head. Would you still crush his head without considering Clem? Who was like a daughter to him?
Okay after thinking about what you said, you are right. But I'm not about to go back to Season 1 to change it.
No one is asking you to don't worry lol.
I just didn't want to have to kill him without being sure. I hated him for sure, but my Lee rose above that hate.
I understand you didn't want to kill him but have you actually pictured yourself in that situation in real life? Because sitting behind the computer is easy to make a decision but if you were there you would be pretty terrified like everyone else and because Larry would have turned at any moment in those few minutes and sometimes especially in a world like that, you have to kill to survive and keep your friends and family safe and that's what Kenny did.
It was horrible, it was sad the way it happenened and i felt very sorry for Lilly but it was necessary to do to a guy who would have died anyway upon revival due to lack of medical care
Okay after thinking about what you said, you are right. But I'm not about to go back to Season 1 to change it.
I just didn't want to have to kill him without being sure. I hated him for sure, but my Lee rose above that hate.
Okay after thinking about what you said, you are right. But I'm not about to go back to Season 1 to change it.
No one is asking you … moreto don't worry lol.
I just didn't want to have to kill him without being sure. I hated him for sure, but my Lee rose above that hate.
I understand you didn't want to kill him but have you actually pictured yourself in that situation in real life? Because sitting behind the computer is easy to make a decision but if you were there you would be pretty terrified like everyone else and because Larry would have turned at any moment in those few minutes and sometimes especially in a world like that, you have to kill to survive and keep your friends and family safe and that's what Kenny did.
It was horrible, it was sad the way it happenened and i felt very sorry for Lilly but it was necessary to do to a guy who would have died anyway upon revival due to lack of medical care
Morally speaking, if you helped Kenny kill Larry, with there being no sure sign of him reanimating as a walker (which there wasn't), then it… more's not the "right" choice. Larry wasn't an immediate threat to the group's survival rate, and Kenny didn't need to murder him in cold blood (or at all). Which apparently, Lee seems to think the same way, because he can even say it himself (to Kenny determinately): "You murdered Larry." It was a rash action, that regardless of intent, came with severe consequences, as best said by Carlos in Season Two of The Walking Dead.
Yes, in my view she should have been given a couple of more minutes. It also would give Lee time to explain to Clem what they had to do...no… more reason to traumatize her.
Wow, then i am truly sorry to say this but in that situation you are really moronic and are no better than someone like Ben who puts people in danger. You would be a risk to the group because you would actually put someone's personal feelings before the safety of your family and friends. That is stupid and will get you killed.
And once again, they did NOT have a couple more minutes and i stated evidence as to why they didn't, why is that not sinking in? Lee did not have the time to tell Clem what was happening (besides she knew and was shielding her eyes and ears from it anyway) so why ignore the facts here? Trust me, i would have given Lilly all the time in the world if they had plenty of time but they just didn't and that is the whole point of what i am saying.
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If the fate of Larry was unknown before Kenny smashed his head in with a salt lick, as you said yourself, then it wasn't "necessary to do in order to keep everyone safe". Because had Larry been alive, all Kenny did was end a life before the time was come.
You should also take into consideration, how quickly he went from being "shocked and upset" to being composed and content. Without having a … morebias towards the character, Kenny lacked true empathy, guilt, remorse, or shame. He didn't want to cause unnecessary problems, and he knew that help would be needed in escaping the meat locker, which is why he tried to be at peace with the other survivors (namely Lilly, and Lee determinately).
And? He still showed his shock regardless of how quick it was and he tried to apologise/talk to Lilly afterwards and I don't believe for a minute that it was only to get her to help him escape the meat locker at all. And he did show a form of guilt/empathy for his actions when Lee speaks to him afterwards he says "do you think i liked doing what I did? I'm the guy who couldn't bear to watch the family dog get put down". That there is a form of regret but he also looked at it as a difficult but necessary thin… [view original content]
Even if Larry didn't die immediately, he'd die very shortly after due to the lack of medical care. If you got a heart attack, you need a hospital, simple as that. The uncertainty in this closed meat locker is enough to make sure. The chance of his survival was minimal.
If the fate of Larry was unknown before Kenny smashed his head in with a salt lick, as you said yourself, then it wasn't "necessary to do in… more order to keep everyone safe". Because had Larry been alive, all Kenny did was end a life before the time was come.
How do you know? When Larry collapsed, falling to the ground in the first episode, he wasn't banging on a door, and screaming at the top of his lungs. There was a huge difference in how he reacted to the situation, which might have contributed to the negative effects that occurred. For all you know, if he had been given enough time to calm down after Lilly performed CPR, he could have lived to see another day without any further issues.
What are you basing your percentage on? Do you not remember how Larry had a heart attack in the first episode and survived long enough to ge… moret some more nitroglycerin pills? Meaning that, his chances of survival are as good as they were back then. He didn't die from his first heart attack, and he didn't necessarily die from his second one either. It's quite simple actually.
Except the second heart attack put him unconscious and he had stopped breathing which meant that the pills were vital to his survival at that time which they did not have
Without starting an argument, this isn't a true statement. Just like how what's legal isn't always ethical, what's logical isn't always moral. Therefore, the two are separate components to the same machine. They have their part to play, but the stage isn't set by one. Either way, if you're being logical about the situation, then you will morally do good to others.
How hypocrite..
You just called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
I am ok with you talking like this, just don't get mad at other peoples for doing the same.
Just saying...
Whether the chances of survival were minimal or maximum, there was still a chance, that became nothing in a short amount of time by Kenny. What we must also consider is that Katjaa had medical experience, which may have come in the realms of animals more than humans, but she still had more experience than any of the others in the group. Meaning that, she could have provided or at the very least suggested what the group should do concerning Larry's heart attack. Anyway, if anything, you need "medical care", not a hospital. A hospital will do you no good if there's not reliable doctors who can provide you with the necessary medical treatment. However, if people have been miraculously cured of cancer with no traces left in their system, then I believe that a person can be revived successfully and recover fully from a heart attack.
Even if Larry didn't die immediately, he'd die very shortly after due to the lack of medical care. If you got a heart attack, you need a hos… morepital, simple as that. The uncertainty in this closed meat locker is enough to make sure. The chance of his survival was minimal.
I can't do it. Restraining Lilly is literally one of the most unbearable things for me to watch in the game.
The voice actress really gave it her all in that scene, it's so painful to listen to.
One of the dialogue trees with Clementine (post-Larry's death) allows Lee to state, "I know it was necessary, but...I wish Clem didn't have to witness stuff like this. I worry what's it gonna do to her."
As posted earlier in this thread, events foreshadowed what was going to occur.
I killed Larry mostly because I agreed with Kenny. I regretted it though because apparently if you try to help him, he takes a breath like he's alive before Kenny kills him. But it doesn't matter what you do because Larry dies no matter what, it's just matters who you agree to help at the time (Kenny or Lilly).
Oh hello, back to exacerbate things again eh Bonbon? Thought your ban was permanent. I guess not lol.
How hypocrite..
You just called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
First of all, i actually said to kennyshoulda that no offence was intended in that post and was sorry to sound harsh but I will say how it is when necessary. I bare no ill feelings towards her and she knows this. Sure we have a war of words from time to time but i hope she realises that what i say is never to be personal. I've been called worse than a hypocrite but at least i put logic in my posts and back it up with evidence, something so far i have never seen you do Bonbon.
Now onto your little attack on me. If someone honestly thinks that someone's personal feelings is more important than people's safety and staying alive during a moment of serious danger then common sense tells you that this is a moronic belief. How is it not?? Unless that person is suicidal or something because the fact is, that person would die if they hadn't taken action in those few minutes and instead worried about feelings of another which was not as important here. I do not mean to be harsh to her and i told kennyshoulda this but I will speak my mind and be completely honest about what i think. I implore you to please imagine yourself in that real life situation and then maybe think what the actual outcome would be.
Watch this from Fear The Walking Dead and go to about 3:50 into the video (ignore the guy watching the video lol), you'll see a man have a heart attack just like Larry did and then the bride gives CPR to him except that this time the man turns and bites her face. Supposing this is what could have happened to Lilly or determinant Lee? If Larry had not been dealt with then that is what will have inevitably happened and that is my point as to why i feel it is very naive to consider someone's feelings over survival in that situation.
I am ok with you talking like this, just don't get mad at other peoples for doing the same. Just saying...
Well you obviously "aren't" ok with how i talk on here otherwise you wouldn't have replied calling me a hypocrite. And the only time i get mad at someone is if they ignore or haven't listened to things i have said in a fair, logical argument. I asked you many things in our last discussion and to this day you never did answer my questions to try and counter my theories/posts etc. But anyway...just saying...
How hypocrite..
You just called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
I am ok with you talking like this, just don't get mad at other peoples for doing the same.
Just saying...
If the fate of Larry was unknown before Kenny smashed his head in with a salt lick, as you said yourself, then it wasn't "necessary to do in order to keep everyone safe". Because had Larry been alive, all Kenny did was end a life before the time was come.
Ugh how are you not getting this either lol? I am not saying this to be shitty or annoying or whatever, i am showing you clear logic that you don't seem to grasp or want to look at. Ok i'll rephrase it.
Larry "could" have been alive when Kenny did what he did, Kenny "could" have killed an alive man but at the same time Larry "could" have been dead as well and we all know there was no definite way of knowing for certain. Regardless that it was unknown that he was alive or dead, the point is that they all knew that had they even waited a few seconds longer than the already few minutes that had passed, Larry would eventually turn if Lilly/Lee could not revive him. This is a fact and you know when someone dies in that world that this is what happens. The reason it was necessary is because the group could not take that chance if he was dead and coming back to kill them. I already also explained that even if he was alive and could be revived, Larry would die anyway because he would need emergency medical help and as they were locked in a fridge they had no way to get Larry that help so how is what i say not logical in any way? Sadly there is more to doing what is right than wrong here and to ensure the safety of yourself and those you care about you have to do the hard thing. The scene is horrible, upsetting and full of drama and I didn't like the situation myself but i am trying to be rational about this if i were in that position in real life.
Do you see my point now? I am not trying to be rude or mean to you but i am giving clear evidence and valid points to back up my argument.
If the fate of Larry was unknown before Kenny smashed his head in with a salt lick, as you said yourself, then it wasn't "necessary to do in… more order to keep everyone safe". Because had Larry been alive, all Kenny did was end a life before the time was come.
Whether the chances of survival were minimal or maximum, there was still a chance, that became nothing in a short amount of time by Kenny.
Larry could not have been saved as i explained in my last post to you. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
What we must also consider is that Katjaa had medical experience, which may have come in the realms of animals more than humans, but she still had more experience than any of the others in the group. Meaning that, she could have provided or at the very least suggested what the group should do concerning Larry's heart attack.
Um? What? Exactly where was Katjaa when Larry had his heart attack? Being held prisoner by the St John's. So how would she be able to help him when she didn't even know that this had happened to him??
Anyway, if anything, you need "medical care", not a hospital. A hospital will do you no good if there's not reliable doctors who can provide you with the necessary medical treatment. However, if people have been miraculously cured of cancer with no traces left in their system, then I believe that a person can be revived successfully and recover fully from a heart attack.
I'll just copy and paste what i said in the first paragraph:
Larry could not have been saved as i explained in my last post to you. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
Whether the chances of survival were minimal or maximum, there was still a chance, that became nothing in a short amount of time by Kenny. W… morehat we must also consider is that Katjaa had medical experience, which may have come in the realms of animals more than humans, but she still had more experience than any of the others in the group. Meaning that, she could have provided or at the very least suggested what the group should do concerning Larry's heart attack. Anyway, if anything, you need "medical care", not a hospital. A hospital will do you no good if there's not reliable doctors who can provide you with the necessary medical treatment. However, if people have been miraculously cured of cancer with no traces left in their system, then I believe that a person can be revived successfully and recover fully from a heart attack.
How do you know? When Larry collapsed, falling to the ground in the first episode, he wasn't banging on a door, and screaming at the top of his lungs. There was a huge difference in how he reacted to the situation
How was it different? It wasn't different at all. Larry was raging and got very stressed shouting at/to Carley in the first episode and had what could be fair to say a mild attack which was brought on from the stress just like what happened in the locker except that the second one was more severe. In the drugstore he was conscious after the attack and it was obviously not as bad as in the meat locker and this is no doubt true because the guy falls unconscious and "stops breathing" after the second one.
For all you know, if he had been given enough time to calm down after Lilly performed CPR, he could have lived to see another day without any further issues.
And i must again refer you to what i replied to you in my other post about this. Here it is once more:
Larry could not have been saved. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack so he would have died anyway. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
How do you know? When Larry collapsed, falling to the ground in the first episode, he wasn't banging on a door, and screaming at the top of … morehis lungs. There was a huge difference in how he reacted to the situation, which might have contributed to the negative effects that occurred. For all you know, if he had been given enough time to calm down after Lilly performed CPR, he could have lived to see another day without any further issues.
Pfff always making this long unnessecary stories..
And don't get happy too quickly, the ban wasn't because of you.
You can't deny the fact you did the same where you blamed me in the past just to make me look more bad.
Oh hello, back to exacerbate things again eh Bonbon? Thought your ban was permanent. I guess not lol.
How hypocrite..
You just… more called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
First of all, i actually said to kennyshoulda that no offence was intended in that post and was sorry to sound harsh but I will say how it is when necessary. I bare no ill feelings towards her and she knows this. Sure we have a war of words from time to time but i hope she realises that what i say is never to be personal. I've been called worse than a hypocrite but at least i put logic in my posts and back it up with evidence, something so far i have never seen you do Bonbon.
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Pfff always making this long unnessecary stories..
There's my point exactly, you aren't willing to read my long stories because you have no respect or patience for it. Not my problem though. It just proves i am right because you are unable to construct a decent debate together which i will always counter.
And don't get happy too quickly, the ban wasn't because of you..
Why would i be happy? I know the ban wasn't because of me, i never said it was. But i could see that by the way you spoke to me that if you did it to others then you would eventually get banned and turns out i was right. I don't know what you got banned for but it doesn't matter to me at all.
You can't deny the fact you did the same where you blamed me in the past just to make me look more bad
The difference is when i blame you or make a critical point about you it is justified because you simply refuse to back up your argument/points to counter my own in a discussion. You don't like what i have to say just as I don't with you but i have actually even said to you that you and i might have other things in common but i guess you aren't prepared to have a civil conversation?
Pfff always making this long unnessecary stories..
And don't get happy too quickly, the ban wasn't because of you.
You can't deny the fact you did the same where you blamed me in the past just to make me look more bad.
This isn't about the opinion wether Kenny was right or nit in the meatlocker.
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't agree you started call me things.
Actually I thought we were ok after the last conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
Pfff always making this long unnessecary stories..
There's my point exactly, you aren't willing to read my long stories because you … morehave no respect or patience for it. Not my problem though. It just proves i am right because you are unable to construct a decent debate together which i will always counter.
And don't get happy too quickly, the ban wasn't because of you..
Why would i be happy? I know the ban wasn't because of me, i never said it was. But i could see that by the way you spoke to me that if you did it to others then you would eventually get banned and turns out i was right. I don't know what you got banned for but it doesn't matter to me at all.
You can't deny the fact you did the same where you blamed me in the past just to make me look more bad
The difference is when i blame you or make a critical point about you it is justified because you simply refuse to back up your argument/points to coun… [view original content]
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't agree you started call me things. Actually I thought we were ok after the last conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
I think its safe to say we are both guilty of that behaviour due to contrasting views but whilst i stepped away from that, it seems to me you followed me to continue that behaviour by calling me a hypocrite again. I am more than willing to let bygones be but not you it seems.
All i want from a discussion is for both parties to be able to be civil believe it or not. Sure, things get heated at times but that's only natural when 2 people believe in different things. But when one person (me) is making a valid argument about a character or scene etc but then the other person (you) fails to challenge my points logically or refuse to consider another viewpoint or have a good plan of evidence to back up your view with, the convo goes nowhere. I explained time and time again my viewpoint with Arvo and the situation in general yet you failed to answer a single question when i made a valid point in the topic. That's the issue i have. I accept different viewpoints only if the other person backs up their opinion with a fair argument.
Which thread did i apparently make fun of you in? Can you provide a link please or screenshot something i said?
This isn't about the opinion wether Kenny was right or nit in the meatlocker.
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't… more agree you started call me things.
Actually I thought we were ok after the last conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't agree you started call me things. Actually I thought we were ok after the last… more conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
I think its safe to say we are both guilty of that behaviour due to contrasting views but whilst i stepped away from that, it seems to me you followed me to continue that behaviour by calling me a hypocrite again. I am more than willing to let bygones be but not you it seems.
All i want from a discussion is for both parties to be able to be civil believe it or not. Sure, things get heated at times but that's only natural when 2 people believe in different things. But when one person (me) is making a valid argument about a character or scene etc but then the other person (you) fails to challenge my points logically or refuse to consider another viewpoint or have a good plan of evidence to back up your view with, the … [view original content]
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't agree you started call me things. Actually I thought we were ok after the last… more conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
I think its safe to say we are both guilty of that behaviour due to contrasting views but whilst i stepped away from that, it seems to me you followed me to continue that behaviour by calling me a hypocrite again. I am more than willing to let bygones be but not you it seems.
All i want from a discussion is for both parties to be able to be civil believe it or not. Sure, things get heated at times but that's only natural when 2 people believe in different things. But when one person (me) is making a valid argument about a character or scene etc but then the other person (you) fails to challenge my points logically or refuse to consider another viewpoint or have a good plan of evidence to back up your view with, the … [view original content]
Oh honestly Bonbon no need to be so sensitive! Learn to laugh it off lol. I mean i did actually warn you about the mods before you got banned because they can be harsh sometimes. Harmless fun i say. I wouldn't even say it was making fun of you properly to be honest
you heard it here first folks, slaughtering an old man in cold blood in front of his daughter and a little girl because of a hair trigger reaction to something that might not have even really happened is completely okay because of personal bias and/or paranoia. anything to worship kenny amirite?
joking of course, i really don't care anymore. these discussions have been going on for so long. i just came here because i was interested in the argument you'd be presenting.
ah yes, if i had a convicted murderer in a group that had my only remaining family on earth left in it i'd blindly trust him as well, no reason to distrust an actual convicted felon.
also the fact that somebody is an asshole is never a valid reason to say they don't deserve life but ok
Even though Lee risked his life and had to put down his zombified brother to save that old fuck's selfish ass? If he did went fully trust Le… moree, then fine, I get it. But trying to kill and constantly threatening the man who saved his ungrateful ass is nothing short of being an ungrateful, hateful prick.
ah yes, if i had a convicted murderer in a group that had my only remaining family on earth left in it i'd blindly trust him as well, no rea… moreson to distrust an actual convicted felon.
also the fact that somebody is an asshole is never a valid reason to say they don't deserve life but ok
I chose to help Lilly give Larry CPR for a few reasons.
1) Killing Larry would make Lilly hate you, and I didn't want her trying to murder me in my sleep if we somehow got out of that situation. Making some sort of effort to save him first would make that less likely, I thought.
2) I figured that we probably had a little time to at least try some CPR. I mean, it would take a few minutes for Larry's brain to die from lack of oxygen, so we should be safe to administer at least a minute or two of vigorous CPR before we really need to put him down.
3) I was thinking that Kenny could stand ready with something to put Larry down right away if he turned. While I was doing CPR he could find something and wait.
4) Also, the characters at this point aren't even 100% sure that Larry will turn. All they have to go on is that one guy turning even though Ben says he wasn't bitten, and Ben's claim that everyone turns. The word of some random stranger isn't exactly solid proof that Larry would turn. I mean, obviously we know he will, but if you're trying to make in-character decisions it's something to consider.
According to everybody who has an actual soul that's a pretty solid moral code, actually. Why the fuck would you kill someone or wish death upon them for being a dick what the fuck.
According to everybody who has an actual soul that's a pretty solid moral code, actually. Why the fuck would you kill someone or wish death upon them for being a dick what the fuck.
actually, nevermind. This argument is going nowhere. Clearly I'm in the wrong because "muh lee best character". whatever i'ma go look at unfunny impact font memes or whatever
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Okay after thinking about what you said, you are right. But I'm not about to go back to Season 1 to change it.
I just didn't want to have to kill him without being sure. I hated him for sure, but my Lee rose above that hate.
What if it was Lee that had a heart attack? And you were Kenny making the decision? Lilly wants to revive. Larry says crush his head. Would you still crush his head without considering Clem? Who was like a daughter to him?
No one is asking you to don't worry lol.
I understand you didn't want to kill him but have you actually pictured yourself in that situation in real life? Because sitting behind the computer is easy to make a decision but if you were there you would be pretty terrified like everyone else and because Larry would have turned at any moment in those few minutes and sometimes especially in a world like that, you have to kill to survive and keep your friends and family safe and that's what Kenny did.
It was horrible, it was sad the way it happenened and i felt very sorry for Lilly but it was necessary to do to a guy who would have died anyway upon revival due to lack of medical care
Yeah. That's very true. He would've died anyway now that I think about it lol.
I totally agree!
How hypocrite..
You just called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
I am ok with you talking like this, just don't get mad at other peoples for doing the same.
Just saying...
If the fate of Larry was unknown before Kenny smashed his head in with a salt lick, as you said yourself, then it wasn't "necessary to do in order to keep everyone safe". Because had Larry been alive, all Kenny did was end a life before the time was come.
Even if Larry didn't die immediately, he'd die very shortly after due to the lack of medical care. If you got a heart attack, you need a hospital, simple as that. The uncertainty in this closed meat locker is enough to make sure. The chance of his survival was minimal.
How do you know? When Larry collapsed, falling to the ground in the first episode, he wasn't banging on a door, and screaming at the top of his lungs. There was a huge difference in how he reacted to the situation, which might have contributed to the negative effects that occurred. For all you know, if he had been given enough time to calm down after Lilly performed CPR, he could have lived to see another day without any further issues.
Without starting an argument, this isn't a true statement. Just like how what's legal isn't always ethical, what's logical isn't always moral. Therefore, the two are separate components to the same machine. They have their part to play, but the stage isn't set by one. Either way, if you're being logical about the situation, then you will morally do good to others.
Bonbon80 said, as far as what you reap to with words, you will also sow in words, basically.
Whether the chances of survival were minimal or maximum, there was still a chance, that became nothing in a short amount of time by Kenny. What we must also consider is that Katjaa had medical experience, which may have come in the realms of animals more than humans, but she still had more experience than any of the others in the group. Meaning that, she could have provided or at the very least suggested what the group should do concerning Larry's heart attack. Anyway, if anything, you need "medical care", not a hospital. A hospital will do you no good if there's not reliable doctors who can provide you with the necessary medical treatment. However, if people have been miraculously cured of cancer with no traces left in their system, then I believe that a person can be revived successfully and recover fully from a heart attack.
WELCOME TO THE FAMILY SON
I can't do it. Restraining Lilly is literally one of the most unbearable things for me to watch in the game.
The voice actress really gave it her all in that scene, it's so painful to listen to.
If you chose Lilly over Kenny:
One of the dialogue trees with Clementine (post-Larry's death) allows Lee to state, "I know it was necessary, but...I wish Clem didn't have to witness stuff like this. I worry what's it gonna do to her."
As posted earlier in this thread, events foreshadowed what was going to occur.
I killed Larry mostly because I agreed with Kenny. I regretted it though because apparently if you try to help him, he takes a breath like he's alive before Kenny kills him. But it doesn't matter what you do because Larry dies no matter what, it's just matters who you agree to help at the time (Kenny or Lilly).
Oh hello, back to exacerbate things again eh Bonbon? Thought your ban was permanent. I guess not lol.
You just called someone moronic snd you gave me lecture before about thinking some decision is an asshole decision...
Lol
First of all, i actually said to kennyshoulda that no offence was intended in that post and was sorry to sound harsh but I will say how it is when necessary. I bare no ill feelings towards her and she knows this. Sure we have a war of words from time to time but i hope she realises that what i say is never to be personal. I've been called worse than a hypocrite but at least i put logic in my posts and back it up with evidence, something so far i have never seen you do Bonbon.
Now onto your little attack on me. If someone honestly thinks that someone's personal feelings is more important than people's safety and staying alive during a moment of serious danger then common sense tells you that this is a moronic belief. How is it not?? Unless that person is suicidal or something because the fact is, that person would die if they hadn't taken action in those few minutes and instead worried about feelings of another which was not as important here. I do not mean to be harsh to her and i told kennyshoulda this but I will speak my mind and be completely honest about what i think. I implore you to please imagine yourself in that real life situation and then maybe think what the actual outcome would be.
Watch this from Fear The Walking Dead and go to about 3:50 into the video (ignore the guy watching the video lol), you'll see a man have a heart attack just like Larry did and then the bride gives CPR to him except that this time the man turns and bites her face. Supposing this is what could have happened to Lilly or determinant Lee? If Larry had not been dealt with then that is what will have inevitably happened and that is my point as to why i feel it is very naive to consider someone's feelings over survival in that situation.
Well you obviously "aren't" ok with how i talk on here otherwise you wouldn't have replied calling me a hypocrite. And the only time i get mad at someone is if they ignore or haven't listened to things i have said in a fair, logical argument. I asked you many things in our last discussion and to this day you never did answer my questions to try and counter my theories/posts etc. But anyway...just saying...
Ugh how are you not getting this either lol? I am not saying this to be shitty or annoying or whatever, i am showing you clear logic that you don't seem to grasp or want to look at. Ok i'll rephrase it.
Larry "could" have been alive when Kenny did what he did, Kenny "could" have killed an alive man but at the same time Larry "could" have been dead as well and we all know there was no definite way of knowing for certain. Regardless that it was unknown that he was alive or dead, the point is that they all knew that had they even waited a few seconds longer than the already few minutes that had passed, Larry would eventually turn if Lilly/Lee could not revive him. This is a fact and you know when someone dies in that world that this is what happens. The reason it was necessary is because the group could not take that chance if he was dead and coming back to kill them. I already also explained that even if he was alive and could be revived, Larry would die anyway because he would need emergency medical help and as they were locked in a fridge they had no way to get Larry that help so how is what i say not logical in any way? Sadly there is more to doing what is right than wrong here and to ensure the safety of yourself and those you care about you have to do the hard thing. The scene is horrible, upsetting and full of drama and I didn't like the situation myself but i am trying to be rational about this if i were in that position in real life.
Do you see my point now? I am not trying to be rude or mean to you but i am giving clear evidence and valid points to back up my argument.
Larry could not have been saved as i explained in my last post to you. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
Um? What? Exactly where was Katjaa when Larry had his heart attack? Being held prisoner by the St John's. So how would she be able to help him when she didn't even know that this had happened to him??
I'll just copy and paste what i said in the first paragraph:
Larry could not have been saved as i explained in my last post to you. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
How was it different? It wasn't different at all. Larry was raging and got very stressed shouting at/to Carley in the first episode and had what could be fair to say a mild attack which was brought on from the stress just like what happened in the locker except that the second one was more severe. In the drugstore he was conscious after the attack and it was obviously not as bad as in the meat locker and this is no doubt true because the guy falls unconscious and "stops breathing" after the second one.
And i must again refer you to what i replied to you in my other post about this. Here it is once more:
Larry could not have been saved. I have witnessed first hand in real life a heart attack victim be revived and i know that the person needs immediate care, drugs, life support possibly. They did not have any of this when Larry had the attack so he would have died anyway. As i also explained to you, it wasn't about trying to save him that was important here, it was making sure everyone would still be alive at the end of it before he turned and caused a threat.
Pfff always making this long unnessecary stories..
And don't get happy too quickly, the ban wasn't because of you.
You can't deny the fact you did the same where you blamed me in the past just to make me look more bad.
There's my point exactly, you aren't willing to read my long stories because you have no respect or patience for it. Not my problem though. It just proves i am right because you are unable to construct a decent debate together which i will always counter.
Why would i be happy? I know the ban wasn't because of me, i never said it was. But i could see that by the way you spoke to me that if you did it to others then you would eventually get banned and turns out i was right. I don't know what you got banned for but it doesn't matter to me at all.
The difference is when i blame you or make a critical point about you it is justified because you simply refuse to back up your argument/points to counter my own in a discussion. You don't like what i have to say just as I don't with you but i have actually even said to you that you and i might have other things in common but i guess you aren't prepared to have a civil conversation?
This isn't about the opinion wether Kenny was right or nit in the meatlocker.
But your brhaviour with me since the start because I couldn't agree you started call me things.
Actually I thought we were ok after the last conversations we had but you needed to make fun of me again in another thread.
I think its safe to say we are both guilty of that behaviour due to contrasting views but whilst i stepped away from that, it seems to me you followed me to continue that behaviour by calling me a hypocrite again. I am more than willing to let bygones be but not you it seems.
All i want from a discussion is for both parties to be able to be civil believe it or not. Sure, things get heated at times but that's only natural when 2 people believe in different things. But when one person (me) is making a valid argument about a character or scene etc but then the other person (you) fails to challenge my points logically or refuse to consider another viewpoint or have a good plan of evidence to back up your view with, the convo goes nowhere. I explained time and time again my viewpoint with Arvo and the situation in general yet you failed to answer a single question when i made a valid point in the topic. That's the issue i have. I accept different viewpoints only if the other person backs up their opinion with a fair argument.
Which thread did i apparently make fun of you in? Can you provide a link please or screenshot something i said?
Joining of the clan i see? Lol.
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Gabe is teenage cowboy ok?
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Ahhh you finally got banned! I did warn you Bonbon! Lol
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Childish fun.
Larry tried to kill Lee at the drugstore. He had it coming and deserved to die.
Oh honestly Bonbon no need to be so sensitive! Learn to laugh it off lol. I mean i did actually warn you about the mods before you got banned because they can be harsh sometimes. Harmless fun i say. I wouldn't even say it was making fun of you properly to be honest
Haha, that bit ! ^_^ I recently replayed that, and immediately the first thing that came to mind:
you heard it here first folks, slaughtering an old man in cold blood in front of his daughter and a little girl because of a hair trigger reaction to something that might not have even really happened is completely okay because of personal bias and/or paranoia. anything to worship kenny amirite?
joking of course, i really don't care anymore. these discussions have been going on for so long. i just came here because i was interested in the argument you'd be presenting.
ah yes, if i had a convicted murderer in a group that had my only remaining family on earth left in it i'd blindly trust him as well, no reason to distrust an actual convicted felon.
also the fact that somebody is an asshole is never a valid reason to say they don't deserve life but ok
100% Agree.
According to your moral code maybe.
I chose to help Lilly give Larry CPR for a few reasons.
1) Killing Larry would make Lilly hate you, and I didn't want her trying to murder me in my sleep if we somehow got out of that situation. Making some sort of effort to save him first would make that less likely, I thought.
2) I figured that we probably had a little time to at least try some CPR. I mean, it would take a few minutes for Larry's brain to die from lack of oxygen, so we should be safe to administer at least a minute or two of vigorous CPR before we really need to put him down.
3) I was thinking that Kenny could stand ready with something to put Larry down right away if he turned. While I was doing CPR he could find something and wait.
4) Also, the characters at this point aren't even 100% sure that Larry will turn. All they have to go on is that one guy turning even though Ben says he wasn't bitten, and Ben's claim that everyone turns. The word of some random stranger isn't exactly solid proof that Larry would turn. I mean, obviously we know he will, but if you're trying to make in-character decisions it's something to consider.
According to everybody who has an actual soul that's a pretty solid moral code, actually. Why the fuck would you kill someone or wish death upon them for being a dick what the fuck.
If only he was just "a dick". That racist shithead Larry wanted the man who saved his life die by the hands of zombies. What the fuq, huh.
actually, nevermind. This argument is going nowhere. Clearly I'm in the wrong because "muh lee best character". whatever i'ma go look at unfunny impact font memes or whatever
Hahahahaha what?!