Was this always the plan or was the whole season re-written from Episode 3?

Remember the damn harsh feedbacks after ep1 and ep2? After that there was a big gap till ep3 released. I think thats when ttg rewrote everything and thats what led to this ending and shifted the focus back on clem for the future of this series. I'm thankful that they did it but at the same time i'm disappointed that we'll have to wait for 2 years to see something that we should've actually got from season 3. They knew they effed up when made the mistake of NOT focussing at clem at the first place when seasons started. They learned from their mistakes... I hope they make it up to us by making a god damned great season 4 :)

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  • One word - slaughterhouse.

  • I mean technically they didnt, lets not forget the Melissa interview where she confirmed that after ep 1 and 2 they didnt actually have anything truly written for the rest of the season...

  • Having episodic games give you the advantage of seeing stats and feedbacks of each episode and then rectifying everything for future episodes. Exactly what telltale took complete benefit

  • Well, yeah maybe right.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    I mean technically they didnt, lets not forget the Melissa interview where she confirmed that after ep 1 and 2 they didnt actually have anything truly written for the rest of the season...

  • The entire season was rewritten several times with the season being rewritten and modified mid season. Hopefully they learned from the mistakes they made in ANF to make clementines story the best it can be.

  • apparently they didn't even work on the season for a year. i'd assume that they'd at least have an ideal plan covering the entire season, rather than just writing along the way. the season wasn't terrible, but there were so many different things that could've been massively improved and this season felt so different from previous walking dead installments. it doesn't have that same "walking dead" feel to it.

  • That was supposed to be in episode one

    fallandir posted: »

    One word - slaughterhouse.

  • I'd guess they changed the plan completely even before they started putting out episodes. That pic of Javi with the NF mark makes me think of what could've been...

  • That's their first great mistake. DAMMIT TELLTALE MY 10 YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS THAT SHE NEEDS TO WRITE THE WHOLE FANFIC BEFORE STARTING TO PUBLISH IT IF SHE CAN DO IT YOU CAN DO IT TOO!

    Poogers555 posted: »

    I mean technically they didnt, lets not forget the Melissa interview where she confirmed that after ep 1 and 2 they didnt actually have anything truly written for the rest of the season...

  • Any intetesting theory?

    xXOldKingXx posted: »

    I'd guess they changed the plan completely even before they started putting out episodes. That pic of Javi with the NF mark makes me think of what could've been...

  • Well apparently they were on the run from the NF.

    There's some more detailed analyses out there but I don't remember what exactly. Definitely didn't have all the contrived family drama though.

    Any intetesting theory?

  • When I first saw that reveal-trailer, I thought it would be cool if New Frontier was in Wellington (without just raiding it), Javi and Clem met there and then escaped together. Maybe with help of others, but they got separated on the run.. that could've explained why AJ is missing.

    Turned out to be entirely different tho. And honestly, I prefer Javi without the mark and with his beard instead. :'D

    xXOldKingXx posted: »

    I'd guess they changed the plan completely even before they started putting out episodes. That pic of Javi with the NF mark makes me think of what could've been...

  • #NeverForgetCaprikorn

    fallandir posted: »

    One word - slaughterhouse.

  • that they'd at least have an ideal plan covering the entire season,

    Well, that's usually how Telltale rolls. TFTB was rewritten after Episode 1, as you can see in the "next time on.." segments, many things were changed or removed. The episode 3 slide was tweaked, the episode 4 slide was completely removed, and while the episode 5 slide went unchanged, it did not represent the episode accordingly. Now, I assume they had some general structure in how it was going to turn out, and we can safely say the rewrites did it some good, as it turned out beautiful in the end..
    But, ANF had not one, but maybe two rewrites. One after Episode 2, one after Episode 4 (as the plot took a huge detour.) David was no longer chasing Joan/Clint, Javi didn't lead an uprising -- based on the episode slide, and AJ was nowhere to be found, as his fate is just a setup for future events. We can safely say that this did not help TWD very much, as I think it must have been hard to salvage or change in the first place.

    apparently they didn't even work on the season for a year. i'd assume that they'd at least have an ideal plan covering the entire season, ra

  • edited June 2017

    Oh, definitely. Here are a few examples off the top of my head

    • Melissa Hutchinson mentioned there being numerous cut/trimmed scenes, including a backstory involving Clementine's history with a Carver-like character.
    • The Season 2 themed flashbacks were supposed to be longer and more expansive.
    • The Slaughterhouse, which was apparently remade into David's Factory.
    • David might have been created as a decomposite character of whatever ideas Teaser!Javier was based on.
    • Someone mentioned that Gabe(and Mariana?) might not have existed early on, but I have yet to get a source on this.
    • Prescott was supposed to be more structured and intense(not unlike the New Frontier, come to think of it), as they apparently had strict laws about checking victims for bites and hanged criminals from the entrance walls and left them there as a deterant.
    • Mariana was supposed to get shot in the throat rather than the head.
    • Tripp was originally familiar with Badger and the New Frontier.
    • Clementine was more at fault for Prescott's destruction, with Badger explicitly naming her and Conrad's disliking of her being more prominent.
    • Badger had a little bit more character to him apparently, including a hint of potentially wanting to overthrow what would become the Council.
    • Max supposed to get trapped [in the Slaughterhouse?] and there was a choice to save him from walkers.
    • As much as I hate to say it, Joan might've been casted purely to make David the not-bad guy.
    • Eleanor had a bigger role in the finale not unlike Conrad's, determinately helping decide Joan's fate or alternatively suggesting supplies(stolen by Joan's raiders?) be returned opposite of Clint.
  • Can you provide a source u fool

    DabigRG posted: »

    Oh, definitely. Here are a few examples off the top of my head * Melissa Hutchinson mentioned there being numerous cut/trimmed sce

  • Carver-like character.

    Where can I get one? Asking for a friend.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Oh, definitely. Here are a few examples off the top of my head * Melissa Hutchinson mentioned there being numerous cut/trimmed sce

  • edited June 2017

    Oberson Crawford.

    Anyway, I believe most of us assumed she meant David, but it could've also been Badger or, as I realized some time later, Ava.

    fallandir posted: »

    Carver-like character. Where can I get one? Asking for a friend.

  • Check the details thread. @Deltino and @Graysonn posted quite a few of these things, including unused models and textures for Max and Mariana. I'll have to track down the Melissa Interview, though.

    The David, Joan, and Gabe are just conjecture as far as I'm aware.

    Can you provide a source u fool

  • Here is the Melissa Interview and the thread associated.


    Flashback talk at 7:00 and she mentions the Carver thing at 12:20.
    Here's Mariana's Texture thread.
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    Here's Max's model.
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    Here's the dummied out carry over choices for From the Gallows.
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    And here's some videos with unused content.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Oh, definitely. Here are a few examples off the top of my head * Melissa Hutchinson mentioned there being numerous cut/trimmed sce

  • Or at the very least have the fucking guidelines/main plot points mapped out and how you plan on getting from Point A to Point B cohesively and in a way that makes sense.

    That's their first great mistake. DAMMIT TELLTALE MY 10 YEAR OLD SISTER KNOWS THAT SHE NEEDS TO WRITE THE WHOLE FANFIC BEFORE STARTING TO PUBLISH IT IF SHE CAN DO IT YOU CAN DO IT TOO!

  • Aye. While TFTB have rewrites, I feel like it was mostly to make improvement or changes according to what the players wanted. While there are some slight inconsistency, the game as whole turned out better because of it. Also, since it is a more light-hearted comedy story told from the perspective of two unreliable narrator, you can forgive the inconsistency.

    ANF on the other hand, I feel that they did the rewrite as an emergency and trying to salvage the plot to the best of their ability. Perhaps they couldn't afford to add extra episodes for free and because how the initial two episodes set the stages up so that it wasn't really possible to wiggle the plot to the player base's liking, it turned out the way it did.

    Just my take on it.

    AChicken posted: »

    that they'd at least have an ideal plan covering the entire season, Well, that's usually how Telltale rolls. TFTB was rewritten afte

  • Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't really see a focus on Clem in the later episodes. Quite the opposite actually. In episode 3 she shows up 20 minutes in if you chose to not take her hostage. In episode 4 she also is missing for a big chunk until you meet her in the infirmary. I honestly think the problem is that there was just no focus in this episode. They wanted to introduce a new protagonist, yet they also wanted to fit the old protagonist in there somehow. This caused major pacing issues, and it came at the cost of less developed characters. That's why people less connected with the Presscott group than any other group in previous seasons.

  • Yeah. Sometimes I think this community could write better games that Telltale.

    Or at the very least have the fucking guidelines/main plot points mapped out and how you plan on getting from Point A to Point B cohesively and in a way that makes sense.

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