I wonder if Javier being bisexual was something he felt that he had to keep to himself? From what I gathered, no-one else in the family had … moreever brought up his bisexuality, not even David who was portrayed as someone who would rib his little brother at anything with every opportunity he gets.
In a way, it did seem to make sense to me that we only find out that Javier is bisexual at the very last few minutes of the season if we chose a specific dialogue to Jesus that hints his bisexuality. Perhaps Javier was just happy to flirt with somebody who he thought would respond well to his complement? Not only that, the two were alone for the first time and no one else were eavesdropping on their conversation.
when politics, religion, and sexual orientation becomes a topic, people will want to establish their ideas on other people. it really doesn't matter, but some people are so against Javi being more than just a hetero or homo...... They made the character versatile to any audience, but half of the community don't want that way....cuz again..... it is one of those topics people needs to establish their dominance.
My Javi had more chemistry with Jesus during that 20 second scene than he had with Kate "If I just keep humping his leg, maybe he'll tire out and say yes" Garcia during the whole game. And then Jesus just rides off to the sunset... without Javi. And the season ends. Dammit!
Lmao I chose "I like you, Jesus" without really thinking and when he started hitting on Javi I immediately said something along the lines of "I'm just saying your armor's cool".
That... would make a whole lot of sense. I mean, yeah, for all we know Javi could be closeted and perhaps he wasn't willing to come out duri… moreng the apocalypse especially at a time when emotions are at their highest. I doubt he would risk any safety he did have.
Maybe the whole thing of it being down one dialogue path is that only when Jesus started saying Javi was a charmer, that Javi was actually comfortable flirting. Because he picked up on Jesus being gay and so felt safe. And especially since they were alone, Javi felt free to flirt because no one could then out him or become aggressive?
Yeah, I like this interpretation.
The writing was so good that they didn't even NEED to be onscreen together, you could feel their love. I do wish that they were onscreen together however as I feel that they would have great interactions. If you think that they weren't good treatment on gay characters but Javier flirting with Jesus was so amazing, then I don't really know what you're thinking.
Lol Matthew and Walter never interacted, they made it extremely vague since I saw tons of people thinking they were just friends, and they both died shortly after meeting him. That's not good treatment of gay characters at all.
You see this...this is the problem we have. It makes me so damn annoyed.
When a character is LGBT and it's confirmed, people will throw a party about. No matter what. And I'm so damn sick of it.
They always have to bring more attention to it, which only causes more fights. If you truly want people to not have a problem with LGBT characters being in video games, then how about you stop bringing so much attention to it and instead just let it flow naturally? I don't see anyone throwing a party for every character that is confirmed as straight. I thought the whole goal was to make both straight and LGBT characters equal, but instead it always has to be a party whenever an LGBT character is confirmed as being LGBT. Stop bringing so much attention to it and then maybe it'll start to actually feel natural and there won't be any problems.
You see this... this is the problem we have. It makes me so damn annoyed.
When a character is LGBT and it's confirmed, straight people wi… morell whine about it. No matter what. And I'm so damn sick of it.
They either think it's shoving it down their throats or what's the point of it.
And I'm fed up with it. Ugh
It wasn't good though, like how many times do I need to say this. Having two gay characters in a game where they never interacted on screen because you killed one off right away isn't good writing. Before anyone says it was needed for the plot, after that episode Nick didn't even care anymore and Sarita and Kenny never mentioned their "missing" friend again.
Also nice job putting words in my mouth. I like that Javi is bi but it wasn't perfect either, it needed to be brought up way sooner than the last episode.
The writing was so good that they didn't even NEED to be onscreen together, you could feel their love. I do wish that they were onscreen tog… moreether however as I feel that they would have great interactions. If you think that they weren't good treatment on gay characters but Javier flirting with Jesus was so amazing, then I don't really know what you're thinking.
I didn't put words in your mouth at all. I said IF you think that they weren't good treatment on gay characters. You just assumed that I was stating an opinion that I thought you had.
It wasn't good though, like how many times do I need to say this. Having two gay characters in a game where they never interacted on screen … morebecause you killed one off right away isn't good writing. Before anyone says it was needed for the plot, after that episode Nick didn't even care anymore and Sarita and Kenny never mentioned their "missing" friend again.
Also nice job putting words in my mouth. I like that Javi is bi but it wasn't perfect either, it needed to be brought up way sooner than the last episode.
As someone who is also bi, I always knew Javi was bi. I don't know, he just always screamed bi to me. I don't feel "pandered" to. Even if Telltale never confirmed it, I still would've thought he was bisexual.
I also feel the opposite about Max. I found her dull and boring. Total snooze fest. Don't even get me started on Chloe, oh lord.
As someone who is bi myself, yeah I feel like they were in the meeting room and someone said "Anyways, what is Javi's sexuality?" and they d… moreecided to go with bi just to get some bonus points from people like me. Feels kind of like pandering to me, and that feeling is annoying. I much prefer Max from Life Is Strange.
I really wish there could be another girl, too. Something that allow us choose between Jesus and another girl. I really hate the constant harassment of Kate. The relationship was so forced on the players. I want to have options.
For me, Kate was a woman who was trying to use me to get out of a broken relationship. She wasn't mature enough to say No. Her daughter died so she could has said "it is over" to David once the doctor patched her up.
I really wish there could be another girl, too. Something that allow us choose between Jesus and another girl. I really hate the constant ha… morerassment of Kate. The relationship was so forced on the players. I want to have options.
For me, Kate was a woman who was trying to use me to get out of a broken relationship. She wasn't mature enough to say No. Her daughter died so she could has said "it is over" to David once the doctor patched her up.
never mind, I was thinking on some other post. According to my play through. Mariana was her daughter and Gabriel was her stepson. David's first wife died after giving birth to Gabriel or years after.
No, I won't shut up. This is an open forum where discussions are meant to be had. Why are you here if you don't want to discuss? That makes absolutely no sense. Don't let your feelings get hurt by someone simply sharing their views, and if you can't manage to do that, then maybe you just shouldn't be here anymore. Anyway, your opinion on the matter isn't concrete evidence, because I have heard testimonies from others who had different experiences.
Dude, as an "underage player" myself, I can tell you that NOT A SINGLE GAY SCENE will make people gay. Trust me. My friends have been watchi… moreng yuri and yaoi anime since they're eight, and they're still straight as fuck. (Sadly)
Dude gay people are normal. I remember I hated myself for having feelings for other girls, tried always to look away, having almost all male friends because I was scared that being around girls would make me lesbian (boys only talk about football).
You know who saved me? My best friend, always getting me to watch her yaoi and yuri animes. After a while, I got used to it. I stopped being grossed up, and felt like it was a normal thing. Then I started to accept myself.
I went through a very hard time last year. I hated myself, I felt worthless and I wanted to die to make my family's life easier. I'm better now, but I don't want to think what would have happened if I had one more reason to hate myself.
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For me, Kate was a woman who was trying to use me to get out of a broken relationship. She wasn't mature enough to say No. Her daughter died so she could has said "it is over" to David once the doctor patched her up.
never mind, I was thinking on some other post. According to my play through. Mariana was her daughter and Gabriel was her stepson. David's first wife died after giving birth to Gabriel or years after.
I know. I edited my comment. You didn't see that version. In my play through. Kate felt like she was Mariana's mother. Never noticed any other info saying she was not, specially in the way she talks about her. Either way, she should have finished the relationship. She showed that she didn't really have a strong attachment to the boy.
She pretty much wanted Javi to be the one to shield her. That is why I felt she was trying to use him and was a relationship forced by telltale.
...What? You were talking about Kate, dude.
For me, Kate was a woman who was trying to use me to get out of a broken relationship. She… more wasn't mature enough to say No. Her daughter died so she could has said "it is over" to David once the doctor patched her up.
I know. I edited my comment. You didn't see that version. In my play through. Kate felt like she was Mariana's mother. Never noticed any oth… moreer info saying she was not, specially in the way she talks about her. Either way, she should have finished the relationship. She showed that she didn't really have a strong attachment to the boy.
She pretty much wanted Javi to be the one to shield her. That is why I felt she was trying to use him and was a relationship forced by telltale.
I know, right!? Makes total sense. It's just the same way that Clem is only black if you choose to! My Clem is far from black, I wanted her to be an unicorn.
Same here! My Javi wasn't into Kate at all. And it wasn't because she was David's wife, hell no, my Javi was anti-David as well because he's an abusive jackass. I actually cheered and clapped at his death, lmao.
My Javi had more chemistry with Jesus during that 20 second scene than he had with Kate "If I just keep humping his leg, maybe he'll tire ou… moret and say yes" Garcia during the whole game. And then Jesus just rides off to the sunset... without Javi. And the season ends. Dammit!
DabigRG replies was enough hint to that. It is irrelevant whether or not she was. Kate was more close to Mariana than Gabriel because of the brat's attitude. She doesn't know how to handle kids and wouldn't change her ways.
As I said, either way...she should have ended the relationship. She shouldn't need to use other people to end it for her. I didn't like one bit how she finished the relationship with David and then said she liked Javi when he rejected her. She wanted to direct David's anger towards Javi so David wouldn't fight/argue with her.
There is a difference here, I don't think you see it. Homosexuals don't harm anyone for being homosexuals. Sure, there are gay assholes, but it doesn't have anything ti do with their sexuality. Unlike pedophiles, thieves and murderers, who are dangerous and HAVE a choice to do what they do. Homosexuales also have the choice to act on their feelings or ignore them, but acting on them doesn't hurt anyone.
No, I won't shut up. This is an open forum where discussions are meant to be had. Why are you here if you don't want to discuss? That makes … moreabsolutely no sense. Don't let your feelings get hurt by someone simply sharing their views, and if you can't manage to do that, then maybe you just shouldn't be here anymore. Anyway, your opinion on the matter isn't concrete evidence, because I have heard testimonies from others who had different experiences.
Homosexuals have just as much of a choice as the three different groups of people that you mentioned. You even said it yourself (despite seemingly contradicting yourself at the same time) that they have a choice to act on their feelings. I could give a list of reason of how they actually do, do harm to others by their lifestyle, but I would rather not continue this discussion. Because, really, I'm not here to get into a heated debate. Either way, the point of the matter isn't so much as if one can cause harm to another, but if they were born with innate desire for sexual attractions to specific people.
There is a difference here, I don't think you see it. Homosexuals don't harm anyone for being homosexuals. Sure, there are gay assholes, but… more it doesn't have anything ti do with their sexuality. Unlike pedophiles, thieves and murderers, who are dangerous and HAVE a choice to do what they do. Homosexuales also have the choice to act on their feelings or ignore them, but acting on them doesn't hurt anyone.
You can honestly do a quick Google search and find many different resources. There are plenty of testimonies about how men and women had their decisions influenced by depictions in media of homosexual acts. I even remember watching an interview by a present homosexual, who agreed with me that it was his personal choice. It's really an interesting subject matter. Now mind you, not everyone shares the same testimony concerning this matter, or is as easily influenced as others by entertainment.
Anyway, your opinion on the matter isn't concrete evidence, because I have heard testimonies from others who had different experiences.
I'm curios now. Would you tell me? And why would other people's testimonies invalidate what I said?
Okay. If you want me to leave, I'll leave. But let me tell you something: If I could choose how I feel, my life would be a lot better. And if I was harming anyone, I would have killed myself a long time algo. How exactly do Homosexuals harm others with their own lifestyle?
Homosexuals have just as much of a choice as the three different groups of people that you mentioned. You even said it yourself (despite see… moremingly contradicting yourself at the same time) that they have a choice to act on their feelings. I could give a list of reason of how they actually do, do harm to others by their lifestyle, but I would rather not continue this discussion. Because, really, I'm not here to get into a heated debate. Either way, the point of the matter isn't so much as if one can cause harm to another, but if they were born with innate desire for sexual attractions to specific people.
Sexual attraction is purely biological, so they are indeed born that way. It isn't a life style, no one would choose to be discriminated and… more to have a higher chance of being murdered. Lying, murdering and stealing is not biological. There is no comparison to be made here that would follow any sort of logic.
I do believe the people you know truly believe that they were "cured", I don't think they are lying. I heard that same discourse coming from members of a local church before, people who were led by their families to believe that they "came out wrong" and that they "needed to be fixed", so they turned to their faith for comfort. I hope these people you know could find peace, because a couple of the ones I knew ended up killing themselves for being on that situation.
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Err... no. not 50/50. Being bisexual does not 50/50 like girls and guys. Some bisexual lean toward liking guys, some the opposite. Either way, they like both gender sexually, even not at the same degree.
being bisexual means you are 50/50. please stop defending telltale and get off my back. you are giving me anxiety. if you dont like my opinion, then just ignore it.
I like that as well. Maybe Javi is still "in the closet"? He was a sports star and I guess we all know how backwards-thinking sports teams often can be. Especially towards gay/bi men.
That... would make a whole lot of sense. I mean, yeah, for all we know Javi could be closeted and perhaps he wasn't willing to come out duri… moreng the apocalypse especially at a time when emotions are at their highest. I doubt he would risk any safety he did have.
Maybe the whole thing of it being down one dialogue path is that only when Jesus started saying Javi was a charmer, that Javi was actually comfortable flirting. Because he picked up on Jesus being gay and so felt safe. And especially since they were alone, Javi felt free to flirt because no one could then out him or become aggressive?
Yeah, I like this interpretation.
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Well considering Javi can flirt with Jesus, it isn't as bad as the 'Dumbledore is gay' route, as you put it.
I didn't think of that. That makes a lot of sense now that you made me think about it.
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Why so much hatred? It does not matter what kind of orientation Javi has. The main thing is that he is a good man.
when politics, religion, and sexual orientation becomes a topic, people will want to establish their ideas on other people. it really doesn't matter, but some people are so against Javi being more than just a hetero or homo...... They made the character versatile to any audience, but half of the community don't want that way....cuz again..... it is one of those topics people needs to establish their dominance.
My Javi had more chemistry with Jesus during that 20 second scene than he had with Kate "If I just keep humping his leg, maybe he'll tire out and say yes" Garcia during the whole game. And then Jesus just rides off to the sunset... without Javi. And the season ends. Dammit!
Lmao I chose "I like you, Jesus" without really thinking and when he started hitting on Javi I immediately said something along the lines of "I'm just saying your armor's cool".
a w k w a r d
And Javi can drive a motorcycle as well. Finding out a lot things about him in this episode.
I didin't even want that to happen, and said the thing about the armor lol
The writing was so good that they didn't even NEED to be onscreen together, you could feel their love. I do wish that they were onscreen together however as I feel that they would have great interactions. If you think that they weren't good treatment on gay characters but Javier flirting with Jesus was so amazing, then I don't really know what you're thinking.
You see this...this is the problem we have. It makes me so damn annoyed.
When a character is LGBT and it's confirmed, people will throw a party about. No matter what. And I'm so damn sick of it.
They always have to bring more attention to it, which only causes more fights. If you truly want people to not have a problem with LGBT characters being in video games, then how about you stop bringing so much attention to it and instead just let it flow naturally? I don't see anyone throwing a party for every character that is confirmed as straight. I thought the whole goal was to make both straight and LGBT characters equal, but instead it always has to be a party whenever an LGBT character is confirmed as being LGBT. Stop bringing so much attention to it and then maybe it'll start to actually feel natural and there won't be any problems.
We also found out Clementine can drive a motorcycle for...some reason.
It wasn't good though, like how many times do I need to say this. Having two gay characters in a game where they never interacted on screen because you killed one off right away isn't good writing. Before anyone says it was needed for the plot, after that episode Nick didn't even care anymore and Sarita and Kenny never mentioned their "missing" friend again.
Also nice job putting words in my mouth. I like that Javi is bi but it wasn't perfect either, it needed to be brought up way sooner than the last episode.
I didn't put words in your mouth at all. I said IF you think that they weren't good treatment on gay characters. You just assumed that I was stating an opinion that I thought you had.
As someone who is also bi, I always knew Javi was bi. I don't know, he just always screamed bi to me. I don't feel "pandered" to. Even if Telltale never confirmed it, I still would've thought he was bisexual.
I also feel the opposite about Max. I found her dull and boring. Total snooze fest. Don't even get me started on Chloe, oh lord.
Did you even play the game? No he isn't if the player doesn't want him to be. You can literally cock block Jesus if you want to.
I really wish there could be another girl, too. Something that allow us choose between Jesus and another girl. I really hate the constant harassment of Kate. The relationship was so forced on the players. I want to have options.
For me, Kate was a woman who was trying to use me to get out of a broken relationship. She wasn't mature enough to say No. Her daughter died so she could has said "it is over" to David once the doctor patched her up.
Mariana wasn't her daughter. Surprising, I know.
Would've been interesting though, particularly for the dropped Resentment subplot.
never mind, I was thinking on some other post. According to my play through. Mariana was her daughter and Gabriel was her stepson. David's first wife died after giving birth to Gabriel or years after.
No, I won't shut up. This is an open forum where discussions are meant to be had. Why are you here if you don't want to discuss? That makes absolutely no sense. Don't let your feelings get hurt by someone simply sharing their views, and if you can't manage to do that, then maybe you just shouldn't be here anymore. Anyway, your opinion on the matter isn't concrete evidence, because I have heard testimonies from others who had different experiences.
...What? You were talking about Kate, dude.
I know. I edited my comment. You didn't see that version. In my play through. Kate felt like she was Mariana's mother. Never noticed any other info saying she was not, specially in the way she talks about her. Either way, she should have finished the relationship. She showed that she didn't really have a strong attachment to the boy.
She pretty much wanted Javi to be the one to shield her. That is why I felt she was trying to use him and was a relationship forced by telltale.
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Marina can mention a story her mother used to tell her when she was alive if you talk to her in the junkyard. Kate is not her mother.
I know, right!? Makes total sense. It's just the same way that Clem is only black if you choose to! My Clem is far from black, I wanted her to be an unicorn.
Same here! My Javi wasn't into Kate at all. And it wasn't because she was David's wife, hell no, my Javi was anti-David as well because he's an abusive jackass. I actually cheered and clapped at his death, lmao.
DabigRG replies was enough hint to that. It is irrelevant whether or not she was. Kate was more close to Mariana than Gabriel because of the brat's attitude. She doesn't know how to handle kids and wouldn't change her ways.
As I said, either way...she should have ended the relationship. She shouldn't need to use other people to end it for her. I didn't like one bit how she finished the relationship with David and then said she liked Javi when he rejected her. She wanted to direct David's anger towards Javi so David wouldn't fight/argue with her.
There is a difference here, I don't think you see it. Homosexuals don't harm anyone for being homosexuals. Sure, there are gay assholes, but it doesn't have anything ti do with their sexuality. Unlike pedophiles, thieves and murderers, who are dangerous and HAVE a choice to do what they do. Homosexuales also have the choice to act on their feelings or ignore them, but acting on them doesn't hurt anyone.
Ah yes-- the scene I somehow missed on my first playthrough.
I'm curios now. Would you tell me? And why would other people's testimonies invalidate what I said?
Homosexuals have just as much of a choice as the three different groups of people that you mentioned. You even said it yourself (despite seemingly contradicting yourself at the same time) that they have a choice to act on their feelings. I could give a list of reason of how they actually do, do harm to others by their lifestyle, but I would rather not continue this discussion. Because, really, I'm not here to get into a heated debate. Either way, the point of the matter isn't so much as if one can cause harm to another, but if they were born with innate desire for sexual attractions to specific people.
You can honestly do a quick Google search and find many different resources. There are plenty of testimonies about how men and women had their decisions influenced by depictions in media of homosexual acts. I even remember watching an interview by a present homosexual, who agreed with me that it was his personal choice. It's really an interesting subject matter. Now mind you, not everyone shares the same testimony concerning this matter, or is as easily influenced as others by entertainment.
Okay. If you want me to leave, I'll leave. But let me tell you something: If I could choose how I feel, my life would be a lot better. And if I was harming anyone, I would have killed myself a long time algo. How exactly do Homosexuals harm others with their own lifestyle?
Yup, thank you lol
Cry me a river. There's a lot of straight protagonists like everywhere in the books, box office, comics, series.
:')
It's really amusing, innit?
Err... no. not 50/50. Being bisexual does not 50/50 like girls and guys. Some bisexual lean toward liking guys, some the opposite. Either way, they like both gender sexually, even not at the same degree.
I like that as well. Maybe Javi is still "in the closet"? He was a sports star and I guess we all know how backwards-thinking sports teams often can be. Especially towards gay/bi men.