Plot holes in ANF

There is no question this game is full of plot holes, so tell me what didn't make sense through the story. For example:

  • How did Clem learn how to drive if you didn't stay with Kenny?
  • Clementine is still nice to Javier even if you chose to spare Conrad and say she is a traitor.
  • Most of the walkers in Richmond didn't notice Javi's group yelling and shooting around.
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  • Well ANF is a one big plothole, thousands of things was bothering me all at once. The lack of logic was one of the main reasons I couldn't enjoy this game.

    For example:

    • Garcias flying circus acts like the apocalypse just started, even though they "had to do terrible things". They are happily running around the junkyard without any go ahead, no plan, sending kids off into a place that might be full of zombies.
    • Max accuses Javi for stealing gas even if he took none.
    • Clementine crashes a tree in order to be introduced as a badass NPC; she just happened to do it as Javier was heading her way, also she apparently cut the tree with her shotgun.
    • Flashbacks.
    • Eleanor cares about a random guy and decides to help him after 15 seconds of conversation, when she is supposed to look after people in Prescott because she's the only one "that runs for a doctor around here".
    • Javi somewhat cares for a teenage girl he just met.

    I could go on and on. And this is just one episode.

  • Couldn't have agreed more.

    fallandir posted: »

    Well ANF is a one big plothole, thousands of things was bothering me all at once. The lack of logic was one of the main reasons I couldn't e

  • is with TNF for a week
    "They used to be decent people"
    Also "im sure I still have some Friends in Richmond"
    Do you Clem? You only went to see Lingard?

  • she might have meant Ava.

    is with TNF for a week "They used to be decent people" Also "im sure I still have some Friends in Richmond" Do you Clem? You only went to see Lingard?

    • Garcias flying circus acts like the apocalypse just started, even though they "had to do terrible things". They are happily running around the junkyard without any go ahead, no plan, sending kids off into a place that might be full of zombies.
    • Max accuses Javi for stealing gas even if he took none
    • Flashbacks.
    • Eleanor cares about a random guy and decides to help him after 15 seconds of conversation, when she is supposed to look after people in Prescott because she's the only one "that runs for a doctor around here".
    • Javi somewhat cares for a teenage girl he just met.

    I'm not sure some of those are plot holes, though.

    fallandir posted: »

    Well ANF is a one big plothole, thousands of things was bothering me all at once. The lack of logic was one of the main reasons I couldn't e

  • Also Jesus is either fighting the saviours or he's at a Alexandria/The Hilltop during all out war (which is when season 3 takes place)

  • The implication that Javier killed Lonnie.

    Not really a plohole, but Ava's random but seemingly intentional stutter.

  • What's more plot hole is that one of the guards tackled Javier who was unarmed and not David who was the one waving the gun around.

    DabigRG posted: »

    The implication that Javier killed Lonnie. Not really a plohole, but Ava's random but seemingly intentional stutter.

  • Plothole or mook stupidity?

    AronDracula posted: »

    What's more plot hole is that one of the guards tackled Javier who was unarmed and not David who was the one waving the gun around.

  • Plot hole.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Plothole or mook stupidity?

  • Kinda petty, aren't ya? A plothole, by it's very terminology, implies that something is an issue with the consistency of the bigger story being told. If they really needed to, they could've had a mook attack David, have him maintain grip of the gun and cut to Javier's facejust before the gunshots fire.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Plot hole.

  • Kinda petty, aren't ya?

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    DabigRG posted: »

    Kinda petty, aren't ya? A plothole, by it's very terminology, implies that something is an issue with the consistency of the bigger story be

  • Marinara flipping on her back after flopping on her stomach.

  • or the truck door at the beginning of episode five opening and closing on literally fucking five different occasions.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Marinara flipping on her back after flopping on her stomach.

  • Yeah, I just saw that in the Meme thread earlier.

    or the truck door at the beginning of episode five opening and closing on literally fucking five different occasions.

  • David killed Lonnie. He said it himself.
    Some guard said "Your mistake was killing Lonnie" to David, too.

    DabigRG posted: »

    The implication that Javier killed Lonnie. Not really a plohole, but Ava's random but seemingly intentional stutter.

  • Assuming plot holes are things not making sense, those seem appropriate.

    DabigRG posted: »

    * Garcias flying circus acts like the apocalypse just started, even though they "had to do terrible things". They are happily running around

  • The whole thing about Clementine and Richmond. According the the flashbacks, Clementine never was in Richmond with the New Frontier. They only were in a small camp in the woods before she was kicked out.

    Also, when Jesus mentioned Richmond had been taken over by NF in Episode 2, Clementine acts shocked and breathless, as if she left AJ in Richmond with good people but now is afraid of his well-being because of NF attacking the place.

    You can clearly see in all episodes what an "authorical" mess this whole season is. It obviously doesn't work if you have different writers for episodes and some writers even leaving during production.

  • edited June 2017

    I meant back in Part 1, where there's a visible blood splash(much like with Jane...:unamused:), Max examines his body for quite a bit before telling him Javier has to answer for that and cocking back to pistolwhip him unconscious in anger, and Rufus telling him not to talk because he's lucky he doesn't break the rules already for what he did to Lonnie.

    Fangirl101 posted: »

    David killed Lonnie. He said it himself. Some guard said "Your mistake was killing Lonnie" to David, too.

  • In EP4 when the gas tank blows up and walkers leak in, people are seen running away from walkers that are near them. This makes no sense since Javi and Clem were the only ones near the tanker.

    Also in EP5, David kills a walker behind him when they find Kate. There is no way that walker could have gotten behind him without being noticed since the only opening was through the gas tank (which was in front of David).

  • I initially passed it of as a camera trick to push the idea of the charred-walkers invading the town, but yeah, there was a timing fail between episodes.

    BC_Guy posted: »

    In EP4 when the gas tank blows up and walkers leak in, people are seen running away from walkers that are near them. This makes no sense sin

  • David trying to forcefully take a child from stranger when he had no reasoning behind the act. This is odd since he has clearly be shown to care about his own family only and those who are willing to help his family. Then again, it fits David of acting dumb and maybe he thought Clementine can't take care of a child. But this just opens a new can of forms as he basically ends up abandoning a small child due colony struggles for food and not thinking it before he forcefully took the child.

    But seriously, David even if he is bad of explaining himself, should at least manage to say something about his reasoning.

  • He did it to be a dick and make sure Clementine fully suffers consequences for her disobedience. Ava and Lingard only backed him by point out.

    Clord posted: »

    David trying to forcefully take a child from stranger when he had no reasoning behind the act. This is odd since he has clearly be shown to

  • And that they didn't want to get kicked out too.

    DabigRG posted: »

    He did it to be a dick and make sure Clementine fully suffers consequences for her disobedience. Ava and Lingard only backed him by point out.

  • Oh,that one! That was weird, indeed. To me it was obvious that Javier just knocked him unconscious.

    DabigRG posted: »

    I meant back in Part 1, where there's a visible blood splash(much like with Jane...), Max examines his body for quite a bit before telling h

  • Some friend Clementine is then. Didn't even react to Ava's death. lol

    UrbanRodrik posted: »

    she might have meant Ava.

    • At the start of episode 3, Fern talks to Javi's group to go over Richmond's process of dealing with newcomers. If you killed Rufus in EP1, don't you think Max would've told her about Javi or at least given a good description of him? Heck at the gate, Max could've said "hey Fern, that's the dickhead that killed your husband." I feel like Rufus was made to be Fern's husband at the last minute just so we could see him again.
    • If you tell everyone about Mari's death and the raids in EP3, David tells Javi to stop talking and Joan says "no I want to hear this." Since Joan wanted to hide all evidence of the raids, don't you think she'd just tell Javi to leave so he couldn't possibly expose her?
    • More bad writing than an actual plot hole, but Jesus thanked me for helping the people in Richmond at the end of episode 5. Yes Jesus, thank the man who went to find Gabe over joining Kate to save Richmond and showing up last minute just to open a gate.
  • I guess. Just would've made more sense with the way Max, Rufus, and to a lesser extent Badger were acting is all.

    Fangirl101 posted: »

    Oh,that one! That was weird, indeed. To me it was obvious that Javier just knocked him unconscious.

  • For me, the biggest plot hole is how no matter where or who Clementine is with, she always ends up the same way, in the same place.

    I'm expected to believe that Clementine and AJ are the only people from their group alive in each S2 Ending circumstance, and since there seems to be different passages of time, I'm expected to believe that Clementine and AJ always make it to the same location where they first met Ava?

    I wish the game got delayed so they could actually work on it more.

  • I doubt he'd do that. He's not that petty. Plus he, like, has an attachment or whatever with Ava--anyone who comes between might just end dead, you hear?

    Plus, he did have a counter-counterargument: invoking Joan.

    TheDerpGod posted: »

    And that they didn't want to get kicked out too.

  • Heck at the gate, Max could've said "hey Fern, that's the dickhead that killed your husband."

    What, and be a dick?:lol:

    I feel like Rufus was made to be Fern's husband at the last minute just so we could see him again.

    Probably so, though David being there to clear him meant she'd probably try to hide her anger. Which is easy to do in her case.:wink:

    Since Joan wanted to hide all evidence of the raids, don't you think she'd just tell Javi to leave so he couldn't possibly expose her?

    So she wouldn't needlessly arouse suspicion and Badger's apparent habit of acting out was the perfect smokescreen that she didn't need to deploy. Notice that she mostly keeps quiet while listening, only glancing at Max occasionally and only breaking her silence once when Francine is brought up. She probably took Max aside before he left for the warehouse and talked to him about what happened with Badger, ending that discussion by telling him that the duo(since Lonnie doesn't seem to be a lieutenant as far as we see) might be going into beacoup overtime soon.

    More bad writing than an actual plot hole, but Jesus thanked me for helping the people in Richmond at the end of episode 5. Yes Jesus, thank the man who went to find Gabe over joining Kate to save Richmond and showing up last minute just to open a gate.

    Hey, that gate was a key part of saving the city.

    BC_Guy posted: »

    * At the start of episode 3, Fern talks to Javi's group to go over Richmond's process of dealing with newcomers. If you killed Rufus in EP1,

  • Agreed.

    DabigRG posted: »

    I guess. Just would've made more sense with the way Max, Rufus, and to a lesser extent Badger were acting is all.

  • How Kate could have undergone a serious abdominal surgery and then been fine running around, swinging around helicopters, fighting walkers right away etc.

    I've brought it up before but it doesn't make sense for Javi to take the mantle of leadership for Richmond. Sure he might have helped save the community, but it was only after causing so much unecessary havoc. Plus, how long have they even known the guy? 2 days?

  • edited June 2017

    1) It's not brain surgery. If you can't figure out how to drive on your own just ding the bell and we'll send tommy down to hit you on the head with a tack hammer because you are a retard.
    2) Bad writing.
    3) Que?

  • There are a number of characters who, if you save, literally NEVER appear in the story again. Like, what happened to Max?

  • Clementine being in the exact same place at the exact same time in all possible Season 2 endings when Clementine stops the truck.

  • This plot hole isn't necessarily anf plot hole, but clementine in grade 1, at 8 years old?

  • Plot hole or just a HUGE convenience that Javi and co. came across a working generator, car, motorcycle, and construction vehicle filled with gas and in good condition to work at a moments notice.

    Also Javier knows how to drive a motorcycle literally out of nowhere and maybe Clementine as well (I made her go with Kate)?

  • That's more plot convenience than an outright hole.

    DoubleJump posted: »

    Plot hole or just a HUGE convenience that Javi and co. came across a working generator, car, motorcycle, and construction vehicle filled wit

  • Why the fuck would the game say "Kenny/Jane will remember that" in episode 4 when we already know they died in episode 1?

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