Well, David started to gave "order" to his "soldiers". I mean Kate's way was not the best way to stop it but it put a goddamn sense into him and made him realized that what in the actual hell is going on around him and made him cut his stupid military order ways. I, for one, dont see it as a betrayal because I accept her and backed up my decision.
EDIT : I lost all of my sympathy to David and expected this one to put a fight with him and cut his shit.
Well, David started to gave "order" to his "soldiers". I mean Kate's way was not the best way to stop it but it put a goddamn sense into him… more and made him realized that what in the actual hell is going on around him and made him cut his stupid military order ways. I, for one, dont see it as a betrayal because I accept her and backed up my decision.
EDIT : I lost all of my sympathy to David and expected this one to put a fight with him and cut his shit.
No, I absolutely don't think I'm being dramatic to say putting drugs in someone's system without consent is abusive - whether it's inhaled, hidden in someone's food , spiked drinks, or forcefully injected. Even with a window open if you're smoking in a vehicle, so are your passengers. I'm not even being a prude. The smell was strong enough to wake Mairana. As a smoker myself, if a non-smoker is in my vehicle - I will not smoke. My life choices are not imposed on some else's life choices. Even in states where recreational use is legal, child protective services does not want parents smoking in their home at any time their child is also in the home.
If the kids hadn't expressed they didn't approve, I wouldn't even have brought it up. Kate using still isn't an issue if they'd just stopped so she could get out and get lit if she wanted.
The trouble with Kate is there's a big difference between what we're told about her and what we're shown.
Agreed.
At no point … morein time are we given an instance of Kate being the smart one or holding the family together
Well, at the very least, the choices presented by her often involved taking the more practical route on the current situation, namely avoiding unnecessary trouble by staying in one place for too long rather than risk the group's lives by not leaving while the opportunity is available.
But I do really wish that we got to see her do more than that in regards to the group's activities, which is actually one of my issues with Thicker than Water.
I'm not against those who chose to smoke weed, but she was both reckless and cruel to do so in the van. The driver already has reduced visibility at night - even a contact high can reduce reaction time putting their lives in needless danger.
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If you reject her she gets all huffy and acts like you lead her on anyway.
Actually, she only slaps him if you kissed her previously… more.
Were it not for that she would've been ok, but her pining for Javier's affection overshadowed everything else IMO.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the primary case for a lot of people. The fact that the story more or less neglects doing things with her in favor of centering everything around David(which admittedly was the case since the beginning) didn't help.
No, I absolutely don't think I'm being dramatic to say putting drugs in someone's system without consent is abusive - whether it's inhaled, … morehidden in someone's food , spiked drinks, or forcefully injected. Even with a window open if you're smoking in a vehicle, so are your passengers. I'm not even being a prude. The smell was strong enough to wake Mairana. As a smoker myself, if a non-smoker is in my vehicle - I will not smoke. My life choices are not imposed on some else's life choices. Even in states where recreational use is legal, child protective services does not want parents smoking in their home at any time their child is also in the home.
If the kids hadn't expressed they didn't approve, I wouldn't even have brought it up. Kate using still isn't an issue if they'd just stopped so she could get out and get lit if she wanted.
Well, David started to gave "order" to his "soldiers". I mean Kate's way was not the best way to stop it but it put a goddamn sense into him… more and made him realized that what in the actual hell is going on around him and made him cut his stupid military order ways. I, for one, dont see it as a betrayal because I accept her and backed up my decision.
EDIT : I lost all of my sympathy to David and expected this one to put a fight with him and cut his shit.
I don't hate Kate, but I can see why some people do. She's irresponsible sometimes, yeah, but can you blame her? She's stuck with two of her step kids, which one of them isn't fond of her, and her husband's brother. It's a lot of stress raising two kids that isn't even hers and even MORE stress when she realizes she has feelings for her husband's brother. A lot of stress like that can make people do stupid things.
And yes, she is clingy and whiny, especially if you reject her feelings. But do I hate her for that? No. I don't hate her at all, she's just a boring character like the rest of the Garcia's.
I still think "abuse" is pretty extreme in this situation. Inconsiderate or inappropriate, yes. They should just pull over. But as a non smoker, but someone who has spent many many times surrounded by people smoking weed, even as a kid, it's extremely difficult and unlikely to get you contact high. I've only had it even slightly effect me once (and it's not even a "high") in a completely unventilated area with multiple people smoking their own, never in a car with a window cracked that's for sure. The window was open and the van was moving at a reasonable pace. 90% of the smoke is going out very quickly. It's not like cigarettes that leaves chemicals in the walls and seats for several hours after. It's not the same as slipping drugs in someone's drink even slightly, that's very a very extreme and inaccurate comparison. I'm sorry I can understand most of your points, and I understand (and agree) that she shouldn't smoke in the van, but it's definitely not abuse.
No, I absolutely don't think I'm being dramatic to say putting drugs in someone's system without consent is abusive - whether it's inhaled, … morehidden in someone's food , spiked drinks, or forcefully injected. Even with a window open if you're smoking in a vehicle, so are your passengers. I'm not even being a prude. The smell was strong enough to wake Mairana. As a smoker myself, if a non-smoker is in my vehicle - I will not smoke. My life choices are not imposed on some else's life choices. Even in states where recreational use is legal, child protective services does not want parents smoking in their home at any time their child is also in the home.
If the kids hadn't expressed they didn't approve, I wouldn't even have brought it up. Kate using still isn't an issue if they'd just stopped so she could get out and get lit if she wanted.
Because Kate cares more about her loveness on Javier than her own family. She was tired of David from the beginning and she could have easil… morey told him she doesn't want to be with him anymore but she kept lying to him all the time causing him to blame all this on Javi. She forced Javi to flee with her in Episode 3, leaving his brother behind and she is somehow surprised Javi doesn't want to leave like really bitch? Did you fucking forget that Javi was his brother? Do you even know what family means?
I told her to fuck off so many times and she should have realised that there was no time for fucking Twilight moments and she did nothing but trouble due to her love relationship.
If you kissed Kate in Episode 4, she kisses Javier right in front of her husband which caused him to try to kill his brother over jealously. Just how could she just do that? Did she forget that David had a bad temper? Javier almost died because of her. She is a bitch, FACT.
No, I absolutely don't think I'm being dramatic to say putting drugs in someone's system without consent is abusive - whether it's inhaled, … morehidden in someone's food , spiked drinks, or forcefully injected. Even with a window open if you're smoking in a vehicle, so are your passengers. I'm not even being a prude. The smell was strong enough to wake Mairana. As a smoker myself, if a non-smoker is in my vehicle - I will not smoke. My life choices are not imposed on some else's life choices. Even in states where recreational use is legal, child protective services does not want parents smoking in their home at any time their child is also in the home.
If the kids hadn't expressed they didn't approve, I wouldn't even have brought it up. Kate using still isn't an issue if they'd just stopped so she could get out and get lit if she wanted.
Her painfully obvious advances towards Javi got old really quickly and she never seems to consider how her feelings towards Javi could ruin his relationship with David, going so far as to either kiss Javi right in front of David (or bitterly questioning how she could ever love Javi out loud) without care for the consequence.
Though on the other hand it seems most of the reasons I don't like Kate boils down to bad writing rather than her character itself, which could also be said for Gabe, Eleanor, Conrad, etc.
David and Kate just switch roles in the two occasions. David feels responsible for the raids and Kate feels responsible for the walkers. Neither wish to leave until they set their wrong right. They also swap perspectives as to what the actions are worth risking - Kate doesn't feel trying to stop the raids is worth risking Javier and Gabe, and David feels the same about the Walkers.
The lack of runtime in the game really hurt the characters. I do think the story neglected Kate. It didn't do enough to show her relationship with the kids, her survival skills, and her partnership with Javier. We don't get much of a sense of them all as a team. Because of that, deaths have little impact, characters and the story faced a ton of criticism and outright hate. A lot of elements just lead nowhere ( Eleanor romance , AJ sub-plot, season villain showdown , even Kate's dire injuries were a van explosion from complete repair - she can swing fine across chasms on a helicopter blade after surgery ).
Do any of the characters deserve the hate they received this season? Probably not, but they deserved better development.
I think something everyone is overlooking there is the fact that she wanted to leave earlier because of the New Frontier's actions(Arresting… more Javier, Killing Mariana, Injuring her, and destroying Prescott) and the fact that David was about to start a civil war. She was understandably afraid and didn't want to lose anyone else to them, which likely would've included David if he'd actually come with them.
In regards to the final two episodes, she decides to help save David once she finds out Joan is gonna put him on public trial and that a herd is forming outside Richmond's walls(probably drawn there by Badger's truck), being in charge of having an escape vehicle ready so they can grab him and get him to safety when the inevitable riot breaks out. And when that fell through due to the riot that broke out due to David/Javier attacking Clint/Joan, Joan/Clint fled, and she accidentally blew a hole in the wall(which I still don't get), she decide… [view original content]
I loved the character, she seems to be in a relationship with verbal abuse. From the first moment I wanted she away from that relationship.
I think Javi is attached to her and also to the children because they become family for being together so many years not for being David's family before.
Finally I got the romantic ending, seem a good one to me.
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Well, David started to gave "order" to his "soldiers". I mean Kate's way was not the best way to stop it but it put a goddamn sense into him and made him realized that what in the actual hell is going on around him and made him cut his stupid military order ways. I, for one, dont see it as a betrayal because I accept her and backed up my decision.
EDIT : I lost all of my sympathy to David and expected this one to put a fight with him and cut his shit.
Still, Javier almost died because of Kate. Her actions caused David to fight his brother over jealously.
Clem saves you anyway so dont worry about it. (Add it to the pile)
No, I absolutely don't think I'm being dramatic to say putting drugs in someone's system without consent is abusive - whether it's inhaled, hidden in someone's food , spiked drinks, or forcefully injected. Even with a window open if you're smoking in a vehicle, so are your passengers. I'm not even being a prude. The smell was strong enough to wake Mairana. As a smoker myself, if a non-smoker is in my vehicle - I will not smoke. My life choices are not imposed on some else's life choices. Even in states where recreational use is legal, child protective services does not want parents smoking in their home at any time their child is also in the home.
If the kids hadn't expressed they didn't approve, I wouldn't even have brought it up. Kate using still isn't an issue if they'd just stopped so she could get out and get lit if she wanted.
I hate the Kate for the rate mate, didn't care much for her fate mate, d'rather have Nate than Kate mate for all the hate I ate with Pate mate.
I didn't kiss her and she still slapped me for rejecting her. That was the moment I started disliking Kate
That's odd. Must've been a glitch or something cause she's only supposed to do that if you've kissed her, from what I've seen.
Okay then. This has been educational.
What fight did you see?
Cute. Too bad I do not compute.
I don't hate Kate, but I can see why some people do. She's irresponsible sometimes, yeah, but can you blame her? She's stuck with two of her step kids, which one of them isn't fond of her, and her husband's brother. It's a lot of stress raising two kids that isn't even hers and even MORE stress when she realizes she has feelings for her husband's brother. A lot of stress like that can make people do stupid things.
And yes, she is clingy and whiny, especially if you reject her feelings. But do I hate her for that? No. I don't hate her at all, she's just a boring character like the rest of the Garcia's.
I still think "abuse" is pretty extreme in this situation. Inconsiderate or inappropriate, yes. They should just pull over. But as a non smoker, but someone who has spent many many times surrounded by people smoking weed, even as a kid, it's extremely difficult and unlikely to get you contact high. I've only had it even slightly effect me once (and it's not even a "high") in a completely unventilated area with multiple people smoking their own, never in a car with a window cracked that's for sure. The window was open and the van was moving at a reasonable pace. 90% of the smoke is going out very quickly. It's not like cigarettes that leaves chemicals in the walls and seats for several hours after. It's not the same as slipping drugs in someone's drink even slightly, that's very a very extreme and inaccurate comparison. I'm sorry I can understand most of your points, and I understand (and agree) that she shouldn't smoke in the van, but it's definitely not abuse.
She had bad intentions, plain and simple.
If I'm being brutally honest, I doubt whoever wrote that scene was even thinking about it this way whatsoever.
That's most likely.
Her painfully obvious advances towards Javi got old really quickly and she never seems to consider how her feelings towards Javi could ruin his relationship with David, going so far as to either kiss Javi right in front of David (or bitterly questioning how she could ever love Javi out loud) without care for the consequence.
Though on the other hand it seems most of the reasons I don't like Kate boils down to bad writing rather than her character itself, which could also be said for Gabe, Eleanor, Conrad, etc.
David and Kate just switch roles in the two occasions. David feels responsible for the raids and Kate feels responsible for the walkers. Neither wish to leave until they set their wrong right. They also swap perspectives as to what the actions are worth risking - Kate doesn't feel trying to stop the raids is worth risking Javier and Gabe, and David feels the same about the Walkers.
The lack of runtime in the game really hurt the characters. I do think the story neglected Kate. It didn't do enough to show her relationship with the kids, her survival skills, and her partnership with Javier. We don't get much of a sense of them all as a team. Because of that, deaths have little impact, characters and the story faced a ton of criticism and outright hate. A lot of elements just lead nowhere ( Eleanor romance , AJ sub-plot, season villain showdown , even Kate's dire injuries were a van explosion from complete repair - she can swing fine across chasms on a helicopter blade after surgery ).
Do any of the characters deserve the hate they received this season? Probably not, but they deserved better development.
I loved the character, she seems to be in a relationship with verbal abuse. From the first moment I wanted she away from that relationship.
I think Javi is attached to her and also to the children because they become family for being together so many years not for being David's family before.
Finally I got the romantic ending, seem a good one to me.
What would you rate your hate for Kate out of eight mate?
She ain't no eight, I'd never date, too late to rate her any less than 4.8