Who do you think is worse? Ben or Gabe?
Gabe is nowhere better than Ben. Yes, Ben dealt with the bandits, left Clem behind and removed the hatchet from the double door at Crawford but at least he admitted himself he was a screw-up and regrets what he's done and was a better friend to Clementine than that little whiny sucker. Gabe did nothing but keep screwing things up. He wanted to step up and become a man but he never did anything like that, for example: he tried to take on a New Frontier guard by himself resulting his uncle getting stabbed, threw Javier under the bus for shooting Conrad, stayed with his father, despite the fact he admitted David was an asshole and even hit him with a wrench, and tried to take the wheel of his truck causing them to crash causing his own death (If nobody went after them).
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what i want to know is who's death is more sad Ben or Gabe's (determined)
Gabe the worse character had existed in the walking dead ever
Gabe's death is completely UNWATCHABLE for me. That's how sad it was.
Easy, Ben's death is sadder cause it was well-written.
Yeah i agree its a lot harder to watch gabe's death, him and david survived in mine but when i saw gabe's death it was so emotional
Ben was a huge coward, Gabe had balls at least
Who's a better character? Ben by far.
Who is more useful/tougher? Around the same. Something to note though - Ben was an outsider in his group. He was no ones priority and didn't have much friends in the group, if any. Gabe had a lot of people protecting him - Javier, Kate, his dad. Gabe's screw ups were also forgiven by his group more easily than Ben's.
I suppose it depends on your stance, regarding quality vs. quantity or otherwise.
So even though I like both, I suppose Ben would be the worse one given his unintentional body count and the sheer amount of epic failure brought about by his poor decision making. That applies to pretty much all "liability" characters(though I suppose Nick comes the closest) and so does the fact that they all mean well but are generally out of their depth.
Depends on what you mean by worse. If you're talking in terms of like and dislike, I really liked them both. Admittedly I like Gabe more. If we're talking who is a better survivor... that would be Gabe. Gabe didn't mess up nearly as much as Ben did (To be fair sometimes Ben was unrealistacally stupid) and Gabe never really cowered. Despite his faults he always actively tried to help.
Yeah, he had balls to throw his uncle under the bus for shooting Conrad which is why I hate him.
That was stupid but he still ran through gunfire to save Kate, stuck around Richmond to save his dad, stood up against his dad, etc.
The only thing good thing Ben did for the group was finally let himself die.
Ben is arguably the best determinant character because he actually felt like a part of the group and they actually gave him things to do. This includes:
And even before then, he did do things to help out(keeping watch, assisting Kenny with the Boat,), even if some of them didn't turn out to good(specifically stopping the bandit attacks). Just because his entire point is being a screwup doesn't erase that he do things to help the group.
Ben was a cutie patootie. Gabe was just blah.
I ended up liking Gabe more so I'm gonna go with Ben.
they're pretty different honestly. how was gabe going with david a screwup? it was out of selflessness and he attempted to help him by bringing him back. ben never truly redeemed himself and indirectly caused several deaths, whereas gabe only caused david's. his screwups in episode four were bad, but they were nowhere near how shitty ben's were. gabe's bravery caused him to screw up, whereas ben's cowardness caused him to screw up. gabe was actually pretty ideal in episode five, where he offers to risk his life on the helicopter first, tries to help javi during his fight with david, tries to help david, and puts david down if he dies.
Gabe didn't KILL anybody. His father may have (determinantly) died after the crash, but that was David's own fault. The way I see it, Gabe is a good kid who simply hasn't found his bearings.
Gabe. Ben at least had good intentions. Gabe just wanted to prove that he was a bigger man than he actually was at any cost.
This isn't about who killed who. Gabe screwed a lot of things which put me in trouble. The reason why I hated him is because he stabbed me in the back about Conrad. The real reason why I hate characters is BETRAYAL.
I won't argue he did the right thing there. Hell, he actually bought his group some time by giving the meds away. But the simple fact that he lied got Carly/Doug killed. Even Gabe didnt fuck up that badly.
You could argue that Gabe (Determinantly) got David killed after the crash. But, you know what? (What The Hell) David HURT his own son twice earlier. Fuck Him!
I liked Ben, he was a good kid with the best intentions for the group. I guess Gabe was kinda like that except unlike Ben he has absolutely no self awareness. Ben understood that his screw ups were detrimental to the group and even encouraged Lee to leave him to die for it's benefit, while Gabe always insisted that he tag along with the rest of the group despite constantly messing up in the past.
So I'd have to say Gabe.
Yea, well, the way I see it mistakes are as serious as the Results they cause. The Result of Gabe's Snitching was NO WHERE NEAR as bad as the Result of Eleanor's BETRAYAL since it retroactively got people KILLED.
I'm with YOU on THIS one. I happen to be an uncle myself. If someone like my brother did something to hurt HIS son (MY NEPHEW) in such a way, I'd feel the SAME.
Exactly.
Ben was likable and he is sympathetically flawed. I cared about him and he was a part of the group. A large part of that comes from being able to talk with him and getting a better understanding of him.
Gabriel was just very unlikable. I know teenagers can be bratty. But I don't feel like I got enough time talking with him and getting closer to him. Even though I felt sorry for him when he died, I did not care enough to have an impact on me.
Except that Eleanor's betrayal had nothing to do with Tripp and Ava getting captured given that Lingard said Joan was on the lookout for them anyway and Eleanor herself showed no awareness that this had happened. Not to mention the whole point of her going to Joan was to bank on her goodwill amongst the people for a more peaceful solution when Javier turned it down in favor of a more violent plan.
I will be honest my story i mean the season 3 making my way Gabe is not dead but i saw his dead so i choose Gabe's death but you ask ''who is worse?'''then i will choose Ben beacuse Ben is coward and traitor his fault that Kenny lost his family
I think both are equally shit, both indirectly kills people, both try to be a hero but fucks up, both are a nuisance to the group. In the end of the day I would still pick Gabe over Ben since Gabe actually does good or atleast tries to act good for others, Ben on the other hand refuses to save Clem when she needs him the most while Gabe is willing to risk his life (or die trying) to save the people he cares about.
last time I used the x-ray on his pants I saw nothing like that.
Ben had balls hell he had extra balls when he admit his mistakes when he ask for forgiveness for his mistakes and he did made those mistakes for good for his ppl at least that what he thought and he didn't Intentionally made those mistakes.
Gabe Intentionally betryed me even the writers of the season confirmed that he ment what he did by saying what happend with conrad to front of tripp and EL and he didn't care if that going to hurt his uncle cause only what he cared for is to hurt someone cause he was hurt, I was going to be fine with him if he said sorry or at leaset he was sorry but NO he kept Harassing when I was pushing the damn truck.
Man fuck gabe
last time I used the x-ray on his pants I saw nothing like that.
Ben had balls hell he had extra balls when he admit his mistakes when he ask for forgiveness for his mistakes and he did made those mistakes for good for his ppl at least that what he thought and he didn't Intentionally made those mistakes.
Gabe Intentionally betryed me even the writers of the season confirmed that he ment what he did by saying what happend with conrad to front of tripp and EL and he didn't care if that going to hurt his uncle cause only what he cared for is to hurt someone cause he was hurt, I was going to be fine with him if he said sorry or at leaset he was sorry but NO he kept Harassing when I was pushing the damn truck.
Man fuck gabe
Gabe is way much worse. Gabe is whiny, stubborn, dumb, annoying and furious.
Ben is dumb, coward but at least he knows how to follow directions and his intentions are about protecting his people.
Gabes intentions were also about protecting his people but he got annoyed as he felt like he was being pushed aside
Ben is a sympathetic kid stuck a bad situation he never asked for.
Gabe is a dumbass horny whiner who suffers from schizophrenia.
Ben would kick Gabe's horny ass.
When Gabe was dying he apologised to Javi for being a bad son. And he asked forgiveness before.
So I don't fully agree.
Well Gabe's intentions were only about protecting his dad. He said even himself. He said this is more important for him than anyone else and said that geting hurt or dying is worth for only saving one person. He doesnt see any problem sacrificing people to save his dad. I dont call this "protecting his people". Well, he got annoyed but he left us again even he knows the fact that his dad is an asshole. Then he made his dad crash and got him killed. He doesnt have an ability to guess bad consequences of his actions. At least Ben saw it but he didnt see any other way to protect his people from a big bandit threat.
No, he didn't see any problem sacrificing himself--which is why Tripp raises the issue in the first place and Javier ends up triggering him.
I wont fight you on this (MrJava) you are right the only thing i am going to say is david is alive for me (depending on your choices) but yeah you have proved a point
True story.
His death scene was awful and made no sense.
Gabe is worse. I felt more attached with Ben. But it's my opnion tho