Eh, maybe. Idk, one plot point of Above the Law is the fact that Gabe went with David and Kate the moment he ordered Max to let them in and stayed by Kate's side throughout the episode, so unless she talked to him about it already(which could explain why she doesn't say anything if Gabe exposes Javier in the apartment), I don't see where Javier'd have the time.
Well there are usually small few minute time skips where javier is with gabe that we don't get to see so chances are that javier told gabe to forgive Conrad off screen.
Eh, maybe. Idk, one plot point of Above the Law is the fact that Gabe went with David and Kate the moment he ordered Max to let them in and … morestayed by Kate's side throughout the episode, so unless she talked to him about it already(which could explain why she doesn't say anything if Gabe exposes Javier in the apartment), I don't see where Javier'd have the time.
The problem with that (and Clem forgiving Conrad) are those are kind of important story things.
Character/relationship development shouldn't take place off screen. Or if does, it needs to be referred to. Otherwise, it's impossible to figure out if the writers meant to have these characters forgive Conrad or if they just forgot/didn't care. Regardless, that's poor planning on their part.
Well there are usually small few minute time skips where javier is with gabe that we don't get to see so chances are that javier told gabe to forgive Conrad off screen.
Eli's bullets. OK. If they were bad, why did they actually work and why did he start to act fearful as the conversation went on? If they were good, why didn't he point out her gun could be jammed or immediately act fearful? OK. He's tough guy dick, but she's pointing a loaded gun at him and firing it. Shouldn't he show some concern?
From what context clues I gathered from that scene, what happened was that Eli sold Clementine the bullets in exchange for batteries; whether he actually knew some of them were bad or not, most of them did work cause otherwise Clementine would've noticed long before she and Javier were outside the gates. When she confronted him about the jam, he wasn't caving primarily because either way, she was going back on a done deal instead of properly trading. Not to say he wasn't a crook himself (acceptable targets and all, which is honestly something I don't smile upon but whatever), but given the implications that Clementine had gotten into trouble in Prescott before, he had reason to believe she was just trying to get one over on him by threatening him with the muscular Javier at her side. He obviously flinched and went on the offensive because he didn't think she'd actually fire the gun at him. For some reason. Though he'd clearly been drinking before she showed up anyway, so I suppose there's that as well.
Clem will save you from walkers telling you you're even now even if you literally never save her or side with her (and fail a couple QTE's so she saves you multiple times). Also, unlike, say Kenny from Season 1, she's still awesome with you if you oppose her at every turn and are never nice to her.
Simple: That's ANF being really weird(read:lazy) with it's determinant factors.
Either that or a developer not wanting Clementine to not interfere, similar to some of the stuff they pulled in Season 2. Hell, if you look at the timing of that scene, Javier would've recovered just fine, so it's probably at least a little of the latter.
Why are Ava Clem only friends in the flashbacks?
I don't quite get this question, so you're gonna have to be more specific.
Why does Clem talk to Kate about her menstruation? I can kinda see Javier since they're friends. But Ava is also her friend. Eleanor is an actual doctor. Kate on the other hand, never really spoke to Clem. I am literally do my fourth playthrough right now and can't think of anything they have said to each other. I know Javier suggested Kate, but it just seems weird since Kate is literally the worst choice (unless Wellington/Alone Clem choose to be a jerk to Ava in the Episode 4 flashback).
They never specifically say, but I sorta got the vibe that she's the oldest of the female cast (besides Joan, obviously) and combined with the fact that she was raising Gabe and Marianna, she likely had a fair amount to say on the subject. So I don't see why she'd be the worst choice other than just because.
Though admittedly, it's likely Kate was chosen both because Javier was naturally inclined to cite her over the fairly new (and busy) Eleanor and Ava due to knowing her longer and because from a writing standpoint, she was pretty neglected in that episode despite being locomotive again and they wanted to give her something else to do.
A New Frontier and Richmond. People addressed the wonkiness of the timing on Clementine's side. But there's a lot of questions here. Apparently, A New Frontier didn't start Richmond. Jesus even says they took over. Jesus accepts his friends have been executed. But there's no real discontent.
Speaking of Jesus's friends.... It's a major problem with the New Frontier as a whole. They are FAR to inconsistent. Sure. They try to play the "evil" new Frontier off on Joan, but they apparently killed Jesus's friends (and if they were in Richmond, then it's hard to blame them on Joan's people). And it's hard to believe Jesus made them up, since that's the only conceivable reason he wasn't already leading an army after they raided the Kingdom. They took over a settlement. I assume that like most people, they didn't just open up their doors to this armed group who were doing worse than they were and put them in charge. So, violence would have been a factor. But we're supposed to believe most of them were good people.
I feel like the friends was either something that got retconned out in rewrites or more likely was simply an excuse to have that Paul guy in the game.
No one seems to have a problem with the New Frontier in charge. I mean it's sad. There was real potential here. Imagine if Javier joined up with the original inhabits to get rid of the New Frontier. It would even give a reason that he would be considered a possible leader rather than he was the main character.
Maybe that was originally intended to be a plot point for why Joan wasn't around when Clementine was a member.
And while I'm not sure if the idea of their being former inhabitants would've been a thing, there clearly was supposed to be a civil war originally.
What did everyone think Joan did? If she was having settlements raided, how was she maintaining relations with other settlements (also known as her job). If she claim the stuff got from raiding was trade, a) who brought it since she was using David's men to do the raiding and b) did anyone wonder why no settlement want anything in return?
Yeah, that's another reason why I feel she was 3rd most wasted character this installment. From what I can guess(and/or how I would've done it), she was likely using her position and skills as a diplomat to visit various settlements to entertain the leaders while scoping the places' weaknesses out and maybe even bribing some guards to look the other way so Max and/or Badger's crew can break in, take some stuff, and take off with minimal resistance and casualties. After all, it's heavily implied that Badger outright destroying Prescott was not only unauthorized, but completely unfettered.
How could Joan's raids go unnoticed? She seemed to be using everyone but Ava under David. How could either them not notice that something was going on when so many of their people were being used?
I was honestly expecting it to be revealed that one of them knew about raids, but kept it to themselves for the sake of the people.
Who was in charge? Max or Badger?
Both. They're David's [lesser] lieutenants, each in charge of their own personal crew. Max's crew includes Lonnie and was presumably less of an active force from what little we see of them, while the crew who destroyed Prescott(which includes Roxanne and "Chris the Coon") was Badger's crew, hence part of why Max's objections were ignored.
Javier, Clem, and Gabe survived the hanging. If you try not to pick, Joan's men pull guns on the backs of Gabe and Clem. Why didn't they just shoot once Javier/David started the gun fight? And it's not like Javier was that far away.......
Because they're pussies. That's the only explanation for why they took off after Clint/Joan is attacked.
Not really a plot hole, but it's kinda ridiculous that Javier surives by using running people as human shields. I mean, seriously? What are the honest chances of that happening once, much less the two or three times he pulls it off.
Yeah, that was just dumb luck and/or plot convenience since I'm pretty sure he didn't mean for that to happen.
* Eli's bullets. OK. If they were bad, why did they actually work and why did he start to act fearful as the conversation went on? If they w… moreere good, why didn't he point out her gun could be jammed or immediately act fearful? OK. He's tough guy dick, but she's pointing a loaded gun at him and firing it. Shouldn't he show some concern?
* How did Lonnie beat them to New Richmond? He took off on foot since he was being chased by Clem and Jesus. They had a vehicle. Nevermind the herd.
* Clem will save you from walkers telling you you're even now even if you literally never save her or side with her (and fail a couple QTE's so she saves you multiple times). Also, unlike, say Kenny from Season 1, she's still awesome with you if you oppose her at every turn and are never nice to her.
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that s more bad writing than a plothole unlike how Conrad dissapears in episode 5 if you saved him even thought he s right next to Javier when episode 4 ends.
Keeping Conrad alive is honestly the biggest plot hole in the season. He halfheartedly apologizes to Javi but Gabe and Clem never comment on his previously deranged behavior.
The problem with that (and Clem forgiving Conrad) are those are kind of important story things.
Character/relationship development should… moren't take place off screen. Or if does, it needs to be referred to. Otherwise, it's impossible to figure out if the writers meant to have these characters forgive Conrad or if they just forgot/didn't care. Regardless, that's poor planning on their part.
Javi leads Tripp and Conrad when they both lead an entire community. David hates Javi even if he was nice to him for the entire game. I'm trying to thinks of ones that I haven't already seen.... but I can't.
Javi leads Tripp and Conrad when they both lead an entire community.
To be fair, neither were technically the leaders: Tripp was simply the guard and/or handyman who looked after everything, while Conrad opted to simply serve as a bartender and backup for Tripp despite helping found the settlement. It's still contrived though, with Tripp's character taking a nosedive in part because of it.
David hates Javi even if he was nice to him for the entire game.
Even I hesitate to say he hates him. You gotta remember that David was always jealous and critical of Javier, which combined with his abusive temper and sore loser tendencies, took precedent for a bit at the end.
Javi leads Tripp and Conrad when they both lead an entire community. David hates Javi even if he was nice to him for the entire game. I'm trying to thinks of ones that I haven't already seen.... but I can't.
It seems really unlikely that that's what she meant there: Javier was specifically talking about himself and the self-inclusive pronoun "we" implies all of the girls at his school. If she really meant that's a thing for boys in general, she would've said as much.
most of them did work cause otherwise Clementine would've noticed long
I just assumed she never used them because she had her shotgun at the time. I figured the deal was fairly recent.
If your interpretation, it just makes Clementine look worse than she already does.
I don't quite get this question, so you're gonna have to be more specific.
I mean there's no real interaction between the two even if you're friendly with her in the flashback(s).
So I don't see why she'd be the worst choice other than just because.
I get why Javi suggested her. It just seems weird Clementine would go with it since Eleanor was a doctor and (possibly) Ava is a friend. Clem should be closer to Ava than anyone in the room (determinant), including Javier. I'm also annoyed that we didn't get at least some sort of comment from the two. I would have liked them to interact somewhat.
I feel like the friends was either something that got retconned out in rewrites or more likely was simply an excuse to have that Paul guy in the game.
Absolutely. But it still leaves a plot hole in the game we got.
Maybe that was originally intended to be a plot point for why Joan wasn't around when Clementine was a member.
Joan was. They even mention her to Clem in the AJ/medicine flashback.
And while I'm not sure if the idea of their being former inhabitants would've been a thing, there clearly was supposed to be a civil war originally.
Wouldn't there have to be? I mean, it's made clear in Episode 2 that Richmond is a thing that existed before A New Frontier lived there.
I was honestly expecting it to be revealed that one of them knew about raids, but kept it to themselves for the sake of the people.
I kinda did too. But regardless, David should have known. They were his men and apparently had a good sized organization effort.
Eli's bullets. OK. If they were bad, why did they actually work and why did he start to act fearful as the conversation went on? If they wer… moree good, why didn't he point out her gun could be jammed or immediately act fearful? OK. He's tough guy dick, but she's pointing a loaded gun at him and firing it. Shouldn't he show some concern?
From what context clues I gathered from that scene, what happened was that Eli sold Clementine the bullets in exchange for batteries; whether he actually knew some of them were bad or not, most of them did work cause otherwise Clementine would've noticed long before she and Javier were outside the gates. When she confronted him about the jam, he wasn't caving primarily because either way, she was going back on a done deal instead of properly trading. Not to say he wasn't a crook himself (acceptable targets and all, which is honestly something I don't smile upon but whatever), but given the implications tha… [view original content]
It seems really unlikely that that's what she meant there: Javier was specifically talking about himself and the self-inclusive pronoun "we"… more implies all of the girls at his school. If she really meant that's a thing for boys in general, she would've said as much.
I just assumed she never used them because she had her shotgun at the time. I figured the deal was fairly recent.
If your interpretation, it just makes Clementine look worse than she already does
Perhaps, but it seems kinda silly to think that she'd have never used it once before that moment considering she doesn't get along with the people of Prescott and a pistol is not as loud as a shotgun.
I honestly don't think it matters. The whole point of that scene from a storytelling standpoint is to show how aggressive and bitter Clementine has gotten and force Javier to choose whether to account for it to Tripp.
I mean there's no real interaction between the two even if you're friendly with her in the flashback(s).
I get why Javi suggested her. It just seems weird Clementine would go with it since Eleanor was a doctor and (possibly) Ava is a friend. Clem should be closer to Ava than anyone in the room (determinant), including Javier. I'm also annoyed that we didn't get at least some sort of comment from the two. I would have liked them to interact somewhat.
You can say that about a lot of characters, tbh. But yeah, I see what you mean now; Clementine's previous connection to the New Frontier is among the many wasted plot elements.
Joan was. They even mention her to Clem in the AJ/medicine flashback.
No, David mentions her to Dr. Lingard as most likely to side with him on banishing Clementine because she's absent. In present day, Joan has to be told by Max who Clementine is when he brings her up at the hearing.
Wouldn't there have to be? I mean, it's made clear in Episode 2 that Richmond is a thing that existed before A New Frontier lived there.
True, but I'd also assume they were either assimilated into the New Frontier's society or wiped out. Unfortunately, it's another plot point they kinda drop and don't really do anything with.
I kinda did too. But regardless, David should have known. They were his men and apparently had a good sized organization effort.
Eh, David isn't exactly the brightest. Still, the Kill Max ending indirectly opens up the notion that he may have known about the raids, but legitimately didn't know Max was involved and probably didn't want this getting leaked to Javier in case he turns on him.
most of them did work cause otherwise Clementine would've noticed long
I just assumed she never used them because she had her shotgu… moren at the time. I figured the deal was fairly recent.
If your interpretation, it just makes Clementine look worse than she already does.
I don't quite get this question, so you're gonna have to be more specific.
I mean there's no real interaction between the two even if you're friendly with her in the flashback(s).
So I don't see why she'd be the worst choice other than just because.
I get why Javi suggested her. It just seems weird Clementine would go with it since Eleanor was a doctor and (possibly) Ava is a friend. Clem should be closer to Ava than anyone in the room (determinant), including Javier. I'm also annoyed that we didn't get at least some sort of comment from the two. I would have liked them to interact somewhat.
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Probably. Or it was simply the old thing where the camera shifts the positioning of characters for the sake of the cinematography, in this case flipping her on her back so Javier/Gabe can carry her less clumsily.
Perhaps, but it seems kinda silly to think that she'd have never used it once before that moment considering she doesn't get along with the people of Prescott and a pistol is not as loud as a shotgun.
It's all I can figure to not make Clem into a retarded murderer. If the other bullets work, then why be so sure none of them work? I just assumed it was a recent trade. Like Clem was at Prescott and traded for the bullets, left to steal a car, came back with Javier, and found the bullets not working.
I honestly don't think it matters. The whole point of that scene from a storytelling standpoint is to show how aggressive and bitter Clementine has gotten and force Javier to choose whether to account for it to Tripp.
Well, for this Thread, it does matter. We're talking about plot holes not whether or not a scene serves a narrative purpose. I'll agree with what you're saying about the scene's purpose. Just saying that it doesn't make much sense when you look into the logic of how it plays out.
No, David mentions her to Dr. Lingard as most likely to side with him on banishing Clementine because she's absent. In present day, Joan has to be told by Max who Clementine is when he brings her up at the hearing.
My bad. I thought you meant that Joan wasn't a part of the New Frontier, not that she wasn't physically around at the time.
Of course, this brings to question of how long was Clementine actually a part of the group? Not really a plot hole. Just more of a complaint about how vague Clem's background with the New Frontier is.
True, but I'd also assume they were either assimilated into the New Frontier's society or wiped out.
I assume that too, but even if they were assimilated, there should be some tension.
And yeah, they could have been wiped out, but that doesn't jive with the presentation of most of the New Frontier being good people with Joan and her people being corrupt.
Eh, David isn't exactly the brightest.
He might not be the smartest, but that's huge incompetence. I don't see why he would get the job in the first place if he was that dumb.
Still, the Kill Max ending indirectly opens up the notion that he may have known about the raids, but legitimately didn't know Max was involved and probably didn't want this getting leaked to Javier in case he turns on him.
I'm not sure what you're referring to? Lonnie's "confession?" It seemed to me that it was an act to throw David under the bus for it. David genuinely seemed confused. And if Max lives, there's no discussion of David.
I just assumed she never used them because she had her shotgun at the time. I figured the deal was fairly recent.
If your interpretat… moreion, it just makes Clementine look worse than she already does
Perhaps, but it seems kinda silly to think that she'd have never used it once before that moment considering she doesn't get along with the people of Prescott and a pistol is not as loud as a shotgun.
I honestly don't think it matters. The whole point of that scene from a storytelling standpoint is to show how aggressive and bitter Clementine has gotten and force Javier to choose whether to account for it to Tripp.
I mean there's no real interaction between the two even if you're friendly with her in the flashback(s).
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David might have went to the same school as javier or something. And maybe that second line didn't mean they went to the same school because it isn't exactly mentioned.
Javier tells Tripp, Eleanor, and that-Paul-guy(and determinately Conrad and Clementine) that he only knows Kate because he was the best man … moreat David's wedding.
However, he and Kate joke about their days in middleschool while waiting for Ava to report in the van.
It's all I can figure to not make Clem into a retarded murderer. If the other bullets work, then why be so sure none of them work? I just assumed it was a recent trade. Like Clem was at Prescott and traded for the bullets, left to steal a car, came back with Javier, and found the bullets not working.
Just saying that it doesn't make much sense when you look into the logic of how it plays out.
I guess, but I can't help but think it's a stretch. All I can say is blame Telltale for not being very thorough or tactful.
Of course, this brings to question of how long was Clementine actually a part of the group? Not really a plot hole. Just more of a complaint about how vague Clem's background with the New Frontier is.
Agreed.
And yeah, they could have been wiped out, but that doesn't jive with the presentation of most of the New Frontier being good people with Joan and her people being corrupt.
True. Then again, the idea of Joan being outright corrupt was clearly a rewrite thing as well.
He might not be the smartest, but that's huge incompetence. I don't see why he would get the job in the first place if he was that dumb.
Well, it was happening behind his back, so they might've had cover stories in case he ever caught on. And his job is just making sure Richmond is safe, so as long as that is upkept, he's doing his job.
I'm not sure what you're referring to? Lonnie's "confession?" It seemed to me that it was an act to throw David under the bus for it. David genuinely seemed confused. And if Max lives, there's no discussion of David.
I know, but when the episode originally leaked, we only had that ending to work with and it seemed to be there to suggest that however he might not have known, David might not be very trustworthy in the end. After all, Kate and Clementine both had doubts about his part in everything, so it stands to reason that while he wasn't involved in the raids, he could still do or have done something to mess things up.
Perhaps, but it seems kinda silly to think that she'd have never used it once before that moment considering she doesn't get along with the … morepeople of Prescott and a pistol is not as loud as a shotgun.
It's all I can figure to not make Clem into a retarded murderer. If the other bullets work, then why be so sure none of them work? I just assumed it was a recent trade. Like Clem was at Prescott and traded for the bullets, left to steal a car, came back with Javier, and found the bullets not working.
I honestly don't think it matters. The whole point of that scene from a storytelling standpoint is to show how aggressive and bitter Clementine has gotten and force Javier to choose whether to account for it to Tripp.
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Eh, maybe. Idk, one plot point of Above the Law is the fact that Gabe went with David and Kate the moment he ordered Max to let them in and stayed by Kate's side throughout the episode, so unless she talked to him about it already(which could explain why she doesn't say anything if Gabe exposes Javier in the apartment), I don't see where Javier'd have the time.
He could have done it while on the way to the armory or something,
The problem with that (and Clem forgiving Conrad) are those are kind of important story things.
Character/relationship development shouldn't take place off screen. Or if does, it needs to be referred to. Otherwise, it's impossible to figure out if the writers meant to have these characters forgive Conrad or if they just forgot/didn't care. Regardless, that's poor planning on their part.
Conrad being right beside Javier at the ending of episode 4 if you saved him and poofing out of existence when episode 5 begins .
From what context clues I gathered from that scene, what happened was that Eli sold Clementine the bullets in exchange for batteries; whether he actually knew some of them were bad or not, most of them did work cause otherwise Clementine would've noticed long before she and Javier were outside the gates. When she confronted him about the jam, he wasn't caving primarily because either way, she was going back on a done deal instead of properly trading. Not to say he wasn't a crook himself (acceptable targets and all, which is honestly something I don't smile upon but whatever), but given the implications that Clementine had gotten into trouble in Prescott before, he had reason to believe she was just trying to get one over on him by threatening him with the muscular Javier at her side. He obviously flinched and went on the offensive because he didn't think she'd actually fire the gun at him. For some reason. Though he'd clearly been drinking before she showed up anyway, so I suppose there's that as well.
Simple: That's ANF being really weird(read:lazy) with it's determinant factors.
Either that or a developer not wanting Clementine to not interfere, similar to some of the stuff they pulled in Season 2. Hell, if you look at the timing of that scene, Javier would've recovered just fine, so it's probably at least a little of the latter.
I don't quite get this question, so you're gonna have to be more specific.
They never specifically say, but I sorta got the vibe that she's the oldest of the female cast (besides Joan, obviously) and combined with the fact that she was raising Gabe and Marianna, she likely had a fair amount to say on the subject. So I don't see why she'd be the worst choice other than just because.
Though admittedly, it's likely Kate was chosen both because Javier was naturally inclined to cite her over the fairly new (and busy) Eleanor and Ava due to knowing her longer and because from a writing standpoint, she was pretty neglected in that episode despite being locomotive again and they wanted to give her something else to do.
I feel like the friends was either something that got retconned out in rewrites or more likely was simply an excuse to have that Paul guy in the game.
Maybe that was originally intended to be a plot point for why Joan wasn't around when Clementine was a member.
And while I'm not sure if the idea of their being former inhabitants would've been a thing, there clearly was supposed to be a civil war originally.
Yeah, that's another reason why I feel she was 3rd most wasted character this installment. From what I can guess(and/or how I would've done it), she was likely using her position and skills as a diplomat to visit various settlements to entertain the leaders while scoping the places' weaknesses out and maybe even bribing some guards to look the other way so Max and/or Badger's crew can break in, take some stuff, and take off with minimal resistance and casualties. After all, it's heavily implied that Badger outright destroying Prescott was not only unauthorized, but completely unfettered.
I was honestly expecting it to be revealed that one of them knew about raids, but kept it to themselves for the sake of the people.
Both. They're David's [lesser] lieutenants, each in charge of their own personal crew. Max's crew includes Lonnie and was presumably less of an active force from what little we see of them, while the crew who destroyed Prescott(which includes Roxanne and "Chris the Coon") was Badger's crew, hence part of why Max's objections were ignored.
Because they're pussies. That's the only explanation for why they took off after Clint/Joan is attacked.
Yeah, that was just dumb luck and/or plot convenience since I'm pretty sure he didn't mean for that to happen.
that s more bad writing than a plothole unlike how Conrad dissapears in episode 5 if you saved him even thought he s right next to Javier when episode 4 ends.
Here's what I mean.
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Pretty much.
Javi leads Tripp and Conrad when they both lead an entire community. David hates Javi even if he was nice to him for the entire game. I'm trying to thinks of ones that I haven't already seen.... but I can't.
No it doesn't mean they knew each other. She's just saying that whenever a guy had a crush on her, she saw them hiding boners.
To be fair, neither were technically the leaders: Tripp was simply the guard and/or handyman who looked after everything, while Conrad opted to simply serve as a bartender and backup for Tripp despite helping found the settlement. It's still contrived though, with Tripp's character taking a nosedive in part because of it.
Even I hesitate to say he hates him. You gotta remember that David was always jealous and critical of Javier, which combined with his abusive temper and sore loser tendencies, took precedent for a bit at the end.
It seems really unlikely that that's what she meant there: Javier was specifically talking about himself and the self-inclusive pronoun "we" implies all of the girls at his school. If she really meant that's a thing for boys in general, she would've said as much.
I just assumed she never used them because she had her shotgun at the time. I figured the deal was fairly recent.
If your interpretation, it just makes Clementine look worse than she already does.
I mean there's no real interaction between the two even if you're friendly with her in the flashback(s).
I get why Javi suggested her. It just seems weird Clementine would go with it since Eleanor was a doctor and (possibly) Ava is a friend. Clem should be closer to Ava than anyone in the room (determinant), including Javier. I'm also annoyed that we didn't get at least some sort of comment from the two. I would have liked them to interact somewhat.
Absolutely. But it still leaves a plot hole in the game we got.
Joan was. They even mention her to Clem in the AJ/medicine flashback.
Wouldn't there have to be? I mean, it's made clear in Episode 2 that Richmond is a thing that existed before A New Frontier lived there.
I kinda did too. But regardless, David should have known. They were his men and apparently had a good sized organization effort.
OK. Remove this from my plot hole complaint.
As fangirl said: she probably meant "we girls in general notice this."
Pretty sure this is a glitch.
Perhaps, but it seems kinda silly to think that she'd have never used it once before that moment considering she doesn't get along with the people of Prescott and a pistol is not as loud as a shotgun.
I honestly don't think it matters. The whole point of that scene from a storytelling standpoint is to show how aggressive and bitter Clementine has gotten and force Javier to choose whether to account for it to Tripp.
You can say that about a lot of characters, tbh. But yeah, I see what you mean now; Clementine's previous connection to the New Frontier is among the many wasted plot elements.
No, David mentions her to Dr. Lingard as most likely to side with him on banishing Clementine because she's absent. In present day, Joan has to be told by Max who Clementine is when he brings her up at the hearing.
True, but I'd also assume they were either assimilated into the New Frontier's society or wiped out. Unfortunately, it's another plot point they kinda drop and don't really do anything with.
Eh, David isn't exactly the brightest. Still, the Kill Max ending indirectly opens up the notion that he may have known about the raids, but legitimately didn't know Max was involved and probably didn't want this getting leaked to Javier in case he turns on him.
Eh, I'll let a third opinion take a look eventually.
Probably. Or it was simply the old thing where the camera shifts the positioning of characters for the sake of the cinematography, in this case flipping her on her back so Javier/Gabe can carry her less clumsily.
It's all I can figure to not make Clem into a retarded murderer. If the other bullets work, then why be so sure none of them work? I just assumed it was a recent trade. Like Clem was at Prescott and traded for the bullets, left to steal a car, came back with Javier, and found the bullets not working.
Well, for this Thread, it does matter. We're talking about plot holes not whether or not a scene serves a narrative purpose. I'll agree with what you're saying about the scene's purpose. Just saying that it doesn't make much sense when you look into the logic of how it plays out.
My bad. I thought you meant that Joan wasn't a part of the New Frontier, not that she wasn't physically around at the time.
Of course, this brings to question of how long was Clementine actually a part of the group? Not really a plot hole. Just more of a complaint about how vague Clem's background with the New Frontier is.
I assume that too, but even if they were assimilated, there should be some tension.
And yeah, they could have been wiped out, but that doesn't jive with the presentation of most of the New Frontier being good people with Joan and her people being corrupt.
He might not be the smartest, but that's huge incompetence. I don't see why he would get the job in the first place if he was that dumb.
I'm not sure what you're referring to? Lonnie's "confession?" It seemed to me that it was an act to throw David under the bus for it. David genuinely seemed confused. And if Max lives, there's no discussion of David.
David might have went to the same school as javier or something. And maybe that second line didn't mean they went to the same school because it isn't exactly mentioned.
I guess, but I can't help but think it's a stretch. All I can say is blame Telltale for not being very thorough or tactful.
Agreed.
True. Then again, the idea of Joan being outright corrupt was clearly a rewrite thing as well.
Well, it was happening behind his back, so they might've had cover stories in case he ever caught on. And his job is just making sure Richmond is safe, so as long as that is upkept, he's doing his job.
I know, but when the episode originally leaked, we only had that ending to work with and it seemed to be there to suggest that however he might not have known, David might not be very trustworthy in the end. After all, Kate and Clementine both had doubts about his part in everything, so it stands to reason that while he wasn't involved in the raids, he could still do or have done something to mess things up.