I didn’t like Molly either. She was as you stated, sarcastic all the time, she would have left Lee and Kenny to die if Clementine hadn’t bee… moren there to guilt trip her, she lied about being in Crawford (choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying), also trying to cover up that she knew where the medication was when Christa asked how she knew that. Yeah I wasn’t Molly’s biggest fan that’s for sure
I thought I was the only one who didn’t like Molly, I guess not.
I hope I don’t see her again because she’s basically Jane if she was in S1 (or Jane was Molly if she was in S2).
I'm not a fan of Molly either, but it would be interesting to see how she turned out this late into the ZA.
Not sure which ep of S1's my fav, but I think they're all good to some degree, so if they do this right, we'll have at least one good episode in the final season.
I'm pretty sure Mark Darin still works at Telltale.
EDIT: According to his LinkedIn profile, he is still employed by Telltale, his work is now mainly as Telltale's Creative Director, not so much writing and designing as it used to be it seems.
I think he still has a chance of returning as well, in the TWD update video TellTale did, Mark was credited as a writer while Alyssa is credited as the creative director. It's not confirmation, but I feel it's good enough evidence that he might be helping write S4.
I'm pretty sure Mark Darin still works at Telltale.
EDIT: According to his LinkedIn profile, he is still employed by Telltale, his work is now mainly as Telltale's Creative Director, not so much writing and designing as it used to be it seems.
Woah ok with Gary Whitta returning we can expect some emotional content I believe he wrote Episode 4 I could be wrong but seeing that everyone here is talking about Molly we can assume it was Episode 4 also a small check into Episode 4 that some players are forgetting but that also contained the entire scene where Lee gets bit which caused all the players to have some bewilderment at that scene because we thought Lee was going to survive since the entire episode also brought into question who was going to be left behind while the others get on a boat and I know we expected Lee to be one of the guys who gets on the boat with Kenny and Clementine. So Gary Whitta could make this season more interesting let's hope TellTale allows him enough freedom to write a good story. Also I didn't enjoy Molly that much she was cool but her attitude and almost getting the group eaten by zombies with ringing the bells around them was selfish. She even mentions to Lee that it's how she gets around the city that she draws the walkers around any area with bells and doesn't care if their are groups in that area.
I didn’t like Molly either. She was as you stated, sarcastic all the time, she would have left Lee and Kenny to die if Clementine hadn’t bee… moren there to guilt trip her, she lied about being in Crawford (choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying), also trying to cover up that she knew where the medication was when Christa asked how she knew that. Yeah I wasn’t Molly’s biggest fan that’s for sure
Woah, woah, woah! Am I seeing people say that there was something they didn't like about Season 1? Stop the presses!
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She's a boring, cringe-y, Mary Sue Creator's Pet that said sarcastic shit at the worst time like a child. Even Lee was getting pissed at her for it. "Not the time, Molly." He's says that no matter what. I'm so glad she's gone.
still not bad as Jane cause she would have probably left season 1 Clem behind since she wasnt a full survivor yet like she is in season 2.
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Lol no one is as bad as Jane. Even Season 3’s shit ass character writing is more tolerable than that bitch.
(choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying)
Or more like your saying(Clementine choosing not to say to javi she is one of the new frontier that mean she's lying)
No its not there is a huge different between not saying some of the truth and saying something is not the truth its not the same art all.
I didn’t like Molly either. She was as you stated, sarcastic all the time, she would have left Lee and Kenny to die if Clementine hadn’t bee… moren there to guilt trip her, she lied about being in Crawford (choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying), also trying to cover up that she knew where the medication was when Christa asked how she knew that. Yeah I wasn’t Molly’s biggest fan that’s for sure
Gary Whitta was only part of s1e4 and he was responsible for Molly, the badass ninja parkour chick that stuck out in an otherwise sobering and realistic season.
To be honest I think Around Every Corner is the weakest S1 Episode as far as storytelling goes. However, it's the best one gameplay wise, and possibly still better written than most of the S2, S3 and Michonne episodes.
No its not there is a huge different between not saying some of the truth and saying something is not the truth its not the same art all.
If you choose to deliberately not tell someone something that you don’t want them to know about, then that is exactly the same as lying as far as I’m concerned. The point is, it’s a lack of honesty and how can i trust Molly if she is generally like that?
(choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying)
Or more like your saying(Clementine choosing not to say to javi sh… moree is one of the new frontier that mean she's lying)
No its not there is a huge different between not saying some of the truth and saying something is not the truth its not the same art all.
You know what how about you define lying or look fro a definitions of lying cause no matter how much I look I find that's lying is yo intentionally give a wrong information not hiding it LYING
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
antonyms: truth.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object), lied, ly·ing.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
erb (used with object), lied, ly·ing.
to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively):
to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties.
No its not there is a huge different between not saying some of the truth and saying something is not the truth its not the same art all.
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If you choose to deliberately not tell someone something that you don’t want them to know about, then that is exactly the same as lying as far as I’m concerned. The point is, it’s a lack of honesty and how can i trust Molly if she is generally like that?
Wow i have to say you are taking this very personally. Chill out dude! I see it one way and you see it the other and that’s that. If you deliberately withold information because you don’t want someone to know something, that to me is still lying. You are lying by omission, not speaking the said lie basically. Deceiving them is the same thing in a lot of ways. It’s dishonest and that was my whole point about Molly. Like for example, if you are in a committed relationship and have cheated on your partner, but do not tell your partner, you are still lying to them because the relationship is then based on a lie because of your deceit. If a witness at the scene of a crime was questioned whether they saw anyone around at the time but the witness decides not to tell the police that there was because it was a friend or someone they knew, that is omission. Omission becomes a lie when you intentionally hide something from someone, which i believe Molly did about Crawford, even Lee accuses her of lying. Christa also asks how she knew where the medical facility was and Molly covered that up by saying “it just makes sense doesn’t it”.
I really think you are taking this very personally and it’s not even worth arguing over is it?
You know what how about you define lying or look fro a definitions of lying cause no matter how much I look I find that's lying is yo intent… moreionally give a wrong information not hiding it
LYING
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
antonyms: truth.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object), lied, ly·ing.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
erb (used with object), lied, ly·ing.
to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively):
to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties.
To clear things up To you I am not taking any of this personally I am trying to be specific about explanations of actions and the definition of things so if my comment sound like I am taking it personally than that because that I am bad at English and usually miss type my attentions in lines.
And to clear another thing you said that this isn't worth arguing you wrong in this is more worth arguing than any video game subject ever cause misunderstanding the definition of action intentionally or mistakenly it may cause missunderstanding in different situations.
I asked to give me a definition that had a general agreement between the people not something only you and few of people who had your same way of thinking may believe in.
About the relationship thing you talk about that called as you said cheating or betrayal not lying I don't see how a girl/women lied to her lover about something she never said s thing about it or maybe she never have been asked about to give an awnser in the first place if her lover asked her directly do you have another person in you life and she said no or I have no one but you than this is a lie this is lyin if he asked her and she ignored the question or changed the subject that called hiding the truth or running from giving an answer not lying.
About (it make sense isn't it) she didn't lie were elsewhere you gonna find a medicines in a school out of the nurse office it doesn't need to think about its obvious.
Wow i have to say you are taking this very personally. Chill out dude! I see it one way and you see it the other and that’s that. If you del… moreiberately withold information because you don’t want someone to know something, that to me is still lying. You are lying by omission, not speaking the said lie basically. Deceiving them is the same thing in a lot of ways. It’s dishonest and that was my whole point about Molly. Like for example, if you are in a committed relationship and have cheated on your partner, but do not tell your partner, you are still lying to them because the relationship is then based on a lie because of your deceit. If a witness at the scene of a crime was questioned whether they saw anyone around at the time but the witness decides not to tell the police that there was because it was a friend or someone they knew, that is omission. Omission becomes a lie when you intentionally hide something from someone, which i believe Molly… [view original content]
About the relationship thing you talk about that called as you said cheating or betrayal not lying I don't see how a girl/women lied to her lover about something she never said
This is exactly why i hardly visit this forum these days because of the constant back and forth disagreements with fellow members, it really grows tiresome.
FORTLEE, a lie being spoken in words is the same as someone who chooses not to reveal a lie. It is a form of a lie, a form of misdirection that said person chooses to do. It is deceitful and dishonest and i already explained about omission. Said person is choosing not to reveal their affair. A silent lie if you want to put it that way. A sham relationship based on a lie because it is fake. Said person is cheating, he/she knows that it is wrong and he/she inside would be lying to his or herself and their partner by not revealing it.
Read this here for the types of lies. The one i am referring to is in the “Lies of deception” section:
About (it make sense isn't it) she didn't lie were elsewhere you gonna find a medicines in a school out of the nurse office it doesn't need to think about its obvious.
Molly said “they were using the nurses office as a medical facility” and Christa asked how she knew that as in “how did she know Crawford were using it for a medical facility”? Whilst it is true that the nurses offices would obviously “make sense” as Molly puts it, it doesn’t change the fact that she redirected her answer to Christa to cover up that she was once in Crawford, thus being what i see as deceitful/dishonest. Also i would add that the medicine could have been anywhere, the nurses room could have been a toilet for all anyone knew lol but Molly made it sound like to everyone that she knew for a fact where it was which is why Christa questioned her in the first place.
Anyway, without causing a further argument, i am not going to change my mind on what i know about a “lie” or “deceit” or any other forms of lies and that’s that. I am not trying to tell you otherwise or to change your mind either, i am telling you that this is how it is so we’ll agree to disagree. And i hope you don’t take offence as i am not trying to annoy you or anything.
To clear things up To you I am not taking any of this personally I am trying to be specific about explanations of actions and the definition… more of things so if my comment sound like I am taking it personally than that because that I am bad at English and usually miss type my attentions in lines.
And to clear another thing you said that this isn't worth arguing you wrong in this is more worth arguing than any video game subject ever cause misunderstanding the definition of action intentionally or mistakenly it may cause missunderstanding in different situations.
I asked to give me a definition that had a general agreement between the people not something only you and few of people who had your same way of thinking may believe in.
About the relationship thing you talk about that called as you said cheating or betrayal not lying I don't see how a girl/women lied to her lover about something she never said s thing about it or maybe she never have… [view original content]
I will clear something to when I start arguing with you it was never my intention or my interest to change you mind my intention was that what you said about someone avoiding saying the truth is the same as someone say something is not the truth he is a lair so not any one who might read your comment go along with it as long as it serve their own gathered toward molly character so put away from your thinking point that I am trying to change your mind.
(Lies of Deception
A deceiver tries to create an impression that causes others to be misled, by not telling all the facts, or creating a false impression.Jon admitted he was a deceiver:Sometimes I don’t like being seen as smart, so I’ll joke around about how smart I am just to try and get people to think that I’m not that smart. It works sometimes. It doesn’t feel like lying, I guess I’m just pretending to be something I’m not.Causing deception is a powerful and hurtful tool. It can be very subtle yet deadly.)
I read the topic you to the link and I got to say I liked it but I still don't see how not speaking a word about some thing I don't want people to know about for whatever reason it considered a lie yeah I might be a considered a deceiving or giving a wrong impression in case the intention of the person who avoided saying the though to hurt or to devices or the information that he/she don't reveals might cause a critical problem to the one who got deceived but calling it a lie?
Caused hiding an information can be for the self protection or personal reasons that will hurt a lot if they got revealed or might put some one person a humen/company/country in huge risk so keep those information by not revealing them without lying (by giving a wrong information or false statement) is better than lying if person got a wrong impression because of facts that haven't been revealed by by not talking them that because for his own personality and his rush thinking and paying an intentions to the person who talk to seek the fact from him or to get hi to the point of confession or or giving a wrong statement AKA lying
But giving no single statement whatever was wrong or right no Its no where near a the definition of a lie even law doesn't call it lie at least in my country law it considered Covering the facts or the criminal.
And a last question have you ever seen a medicine in a school girls/boys bathroom available for all students?
About the relationship thing you talk about that called as you said cheating or betrayal not lying I don't see how a girl/women lied to her … morelover about something she never said
This is exactly why i hardly visit this forum these days because of the constant back and forth disagreements with fellow members, it really grows tiresome.
FORTLEE, a lie being spoken in words is the same as someone who chooses not to reveal a lie. It is a form of a lie, a form of misdirection that said person chooses to do. It is deceitful and dishonest and i already explained about omission. Said person is choosing not to reveal their affair. A silent lie if you want to put it that way. A sham relationship based on a lie because it is fake. Said person is cheating, he/she knows that it is wrong and he/she inside would be lying to his or herself and their partner by not revealing it.
https://www.thehopeline.com/different-kinds-of-lies-you-tell
Read t… [view original content]
Im sorry but i am really struggling to understand your English. That’s not your fault though but thanks for trying to say what you have.
Ok let me first explain my entire point of this entire discussion. About Molly. Molly is someone who i see as deceitful, dishonest and someone who (certainly to begin with) was out for herself. She didn’t have to keep it secret that she was from Crawford. She could have been honest about it but she wasn’t. I am judging this on if i was Lee or someone in the group with her. How am I supposed to trust her after this deception?
You probably know this but i don’t like Molly, she’s not my biggest fan and i certainly would not trust her after discovering what she was seemingly trying to keep secret. Which brings me to my next thing, if me or someone else does not want another person to know something and decides not to reveal it, you honestly feel that this is not considered a FORM of lie? Because i have asked about 6 different people that i know personally (since this debate with you began) and they have all said that this is equally considered a lie but it’s not verbal and that is the only real difference. Just because someone doesn’t verbally lie does not mean that they aren’t lying. All it means is that the person they are withholding information from doesn’t know about it, however, the person that is keeping quiet certainly knows that they are silently lying. That link i sent you highlights 8 TYPES of lying and the deception part is one of them. In fact i think the best way to solve this is to agree that it is a form of a lie as i said before. What you are saying isn’t wrong either though and what you said before is clearly valid so i hope you appreciate that i am not denying that.
So rather than continue this endless slogging back and forth argument/discussion (whatever you wish to call this) we should end this now and both agree that we have different views ok? As i said, i won’t be changing my mind.
And a last question have you ever seen a medicine in a school girls/boys bathroom available for all students?
I used that as an example, not literally. My point was that no one knew for sure where the medical supplies would be except Molly and the nurses office for all any of the others knew could have been changed into a toilet or a storeroom or a panic room.
I will clear something to when I start arguing with you it was never my intention or my interest to change you mind my intention was that wh… moreat you said about someone avoiding saying the truth is the same as someone say something is not the truth he is a lair so not any one who might read your comment go along with it as long as it serve their own gathered toward molly character so put away from your thinking point that I am trying to change your mind.
(Lies of Deception
A deceiver tries to create an impression that causes others to be misled, by not telling all the facts, or creating a false impression.Jon admitted he was a deceiver:Sometimes I don’t like being seen as smart, so I’ll joke around about how smart I am just to try and get people to think that I’m not that smart. It works sometimes. It doesn’t feel like lying, I guess I’m just pretending to be something I’m not.Causing deception is a powerful and hurtful tool. It can be very … [view original content]
Your right its useless to keep this argument cause both of us have explained his point you see keeping an information as a form of lying and you outstandingly explained that and explained my point either and It wasn't my goal to change your mind from the first place I was it was to reveal that's not every one see keeping an information covered by not giving the whole story as a lie so for me its not a form of lying either.
Yeah this is the end of discussion of lying.
But one more thing just:
About what you said about you can't trust molly and you don't like her cause she kept a secret from Lee, you should do the same attitude towards Clem not revealing she was in the new frontier, maybe you will say I can't I now her since she was 8 and I trust her and hiding something may got her hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or she deserve to get disliked for or her being a bad person and molly hiding something may hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or deserve to got disliked for or her being a bad person either.
You may say I don't know a thing about molly but Javier doesn't know a thing about clem as much as Lee doesn't know a thing about molly.
You might say she is a kid unlike molly she fears cause she is a kid from the outcomes if her secret got revealed and from what Conrad did in the tunnel she was right but fear it not something only kids like clem or ben or gabe( AKA one of the most hated characters in the franchise) have to fear even adults fear so molly maybe did it for her own protection and she was lucky her secret got revealed by Lee cause he was the most emotionally stable person within the group at that time.
Im sorry but i am really struggling to understand your English. That’s not your fault though but thanks for trying to say what you have.
… moreOk let me first explain my entire point of this entire discussion. About Molly. Molly is someone who i see as deceitful, dishonest and someone who (certainly to begin with) was out for herself. She didn’t have to keep it secret that she was from Crawford. She could have been honest about it but she wasn’t. I am judging this on if i was Lee or someone in the group with her. How am I supposed to trust her after this deception?
You probably know this but i don’t like Molly, she’s not my biggest fan and i certainly would not trust her after discovering what she was seemingly trying to keep secret. Which brings me to my next thing, if me or someone else does not want another person to know something and decides not to reveal it, you honestly feel that this is not considered a FORM of lie? Because i have ask… [view original content]
Chances are extremely high that this’ll be better than season 3, maybe season 2. If we get something better than season 1 though I’ll dress up as a banana and slide across supermarket floors
About what you said about you can't trust molly and you don't like her cause she kept a secret from Lee,
That wasn’t the only reason why I didn’t like Molly. I felt she wasn’t a team player, she seemed to be out for herself most of the time and was sarcastic and rude for no reason like when she called Vernon a fossil, little things like that really. The way she acted like she didn’t give a shit when Lee couldn’t find Clementine in the house. Also when Christa asked why Molly was still with the group she said “if Kenny gets the boat working you’re taking me with you as payment for saving your asses”, she basically invited herself along and had some nerve really because she wasn’t originally going to save Lee and Kenny if Clementine hadn’t been there to guilt trip her.
I don’t hate her, but i don’t really like her either.
you should do the same attitude towards Clem not revealing she was in the new frontier, maybe you will say I can't I now her since she was 8 and I trust her and hiding something may got her hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or she deserve to get disliked for or her being a bad person and molly hiding something may hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or deserve to got disliked for or her being a bad person either.
Well I understand why Clem didn’t reveal she was with New Frontier because yes, she may have got hurt but i do feel she should have been more honest and trusted Javier more rather than keep it to herself because at least he was someone who wouldn’t hurt Clem. Here’s the thing. I don’t like people who lie or hide things from me. If he or she has a valid reason i will understand and not hate them, however, I would certainly not trust them easily again. At least with someone like Kenny for example, he was always honest to you and he never ever lied or kept secrets.
Clem tried to get Javier to lie for her for accidentally shooting the guy in episode 1. That wasn’t the Clem my Lee taught her to be dishonest like that but anyway just so we are clear, i don’t hate Clem but i hated the way she was written in Season 3 as a whole.
You may say I don't know a thing about molly but Javier doesn't know a thing about clem as much as Lee doesn't know a thing about molly.
Well of course but first impressions are important you know and if i had just met someone who acted like Molly, i wouldn’t like them very much based on that first impression. Same with Clem. When she took Javier hostage, if you were Javier how would you feel? Sure, over time you become friends but how would you feel at first?
You might say she is a kid unlike molly she fears cause she is a kid from the outcomes if her secret got revealed and from what Conrad did in the tunnel she was right
The thing is, maybe Conrad wouldn’t have done what he did if Clementine had been honest at the start in Prescott. If she sat down with Tripp, Conrad etc and told them she used to be with New Frontier, maybe they would have been angry at first but would eventually be ok with her. After New Frontier attack and Conrad lost Francine, that’s why he reacted badly to Clem in the tunnel. If he had know about her secret before Francine died, maybe he wouldn’t have done that to Clem in the tunnel.
so molly maybe did it for her own protection and she was lucky her secret got revealed by Lee cause he was the most emotionally stable person within the group at that time.
Molly is someone who can easily take care of herself and she would have been able to protect herself if people had reacted badly but I don’t think the group would have hurt her because Lee’s group wasn’t like that. They might have been angry but that is all! Again i feel she should have been more honest about her links to Crawford. I don’t even know why she decided not to reveal that she was in Crawford because Vernon’s group admitted they used to be there and no one seemed to react badly to them.
Your right its useless to keep this argument cause both of us have explained his point you see keeping an information as a form of lying and… more you outstandingly explained that and explained my point either and It wasn't my goal to change your mind from the first place I was it was to reveal that's not every one see keeping an information covered by not giving the whole story as a lie so for me its not a form of lying either.
Yeah this is the end of discussion of lying.
But one more thing just:
About what you said about you can't trust molly and you don't like her cause she kept a secret from Lee, you should do the same attitude towards Clem not revealing she was in the new frontier, maybe you will say I can't I now her since she was 8 and I trust her and hiding something may got her hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or she deserve to get disliked for or her being a bad person and molly hiding something may hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or … [view original content]
I actually hate the new frontier writing but I don't hate the way Clem edgy actions in this season cause that my Clem from season 2 but not the one i raised from S1 and her actions and rudeness in S3(not my season 3)were in par or maybe even more rudeness than molly's she even threatened to kill javi twice when she asked him for a van she shot the door when he was trying to open it for his brother she even robbed him and she considered that as a payment for saving him
I never seen molly threat Lee clem did a lot of things that at in S3 make's people who never hoped for Clementine to be a molly/Jane a like but you know telltale know damn well how to crush the people hopes.
Clem in season 3 at least from what I seen so far can take care of her self too you have seen her she survived alone for a long time as much as molly and Jane did she can solo a small party from the new frontier how are literally equipped with Stan grenade and a mashing guns and in the season 3 credit she made her way through walkers by shooting them without puting in her mind that's noise attracted more of the so she Is at the same place with molly and if you don't like molly than you should have the same feeling cause the share the same reasons that make not liking Clem.
About what you said about you can't trust molly and you don't like her cause she kept a secret from Lee,
That wasn’t the only reason… more why I didn’t like Molly. I felt she wasn’t a team player, she seemed to be out for herself most of the time and was sarcastic and rude for no reason like when she called Vernon a fossil, little things like that really. The way she acted like she didn’t give a shit when Lee couldn’t find Clementine in the house. Also when Christa asked why Molly was still with the group she said “if Kenny gets the boat working you’re taking me with you as payment for saving your asses”, she basically invited herself along and had some nerve really because she wasn’t originally going to save Lee and Kenny if Clementine hadn’t been there to guilt trip her.
I don’t hate her, but i don’t really like her either.
you should do the same attitude towards Clem not revealing she was in the new frontier, maybe you will say … [view original content]
The biggest question i have is why you seem so bothered that i dont like Molly or Season 3 Clem? You seem annoyed or constantly trying to compare both implying that I shouldn’t be saying what i am? Well sorry but that is how i feel.
I never said Clementine couldn’t look after herself and yes you are right, i would say Season 3 Clem was probably a lot worse than Molly, especially given how a few years into the apocalypse have gone by which would have made Clem more cold than she used to be. Also i never said or meant that Molly was a threat, just someone untrustworthy with attitude issues.
Ok, so just for you (seeing as you seem bothered by my opinions on Molly) i will list the good and bad things about her:
The good things about her:
She helped Lee escape into the sewers by throwing him her hook (although this was only after her guilty conscience played a part when she was going to leave Lee, Kenny and Clem to die) but still she helped.
She helped the group in Crawford get the supplies they needed.
She helped Lee up through the sky light and off the roof when they were cornered.
Before she left the group (after changing her mind about joining them on the boat), for the first time she showed that she does have a nice side, actually being nice saying to Lee that he hopes he takes good care of Clem, even determinantly giving him a hug.
The bad things about her:
As i said above, she was going to leave Lee, Kenny and Clementine to die after the walkers came.
She was rude/sarcastic when Vernon asked who she was when she said “i’m the one who put that beating on him down at the river”, followed by “who’s the fossil?” insulting Vernon’s age and appearance. I felt that was unneeded.
She told Lee to stop bothering her when she was searching the bedroom upstairs and didn’t care that Clementine was missing. I know they only recently just met but if she was a decent person she would have shown concern for a missing child. I just didn’t like her for that.
She demanded that once the boat is fixed that they take her as payment for her saving them at the river which i thought was cheeky as hell given the fact she was going to leave them to die at first.
Keeping to herself that she was once in Crawford instead of being honest with the people she was with (no arguments please).
Like i told you, i just didn’t like Molly as a person, she is someone I wouldn’t like to have around because she seemed only interested in herself. Kenny thought this about her and so did Vernon as well as Christa who had her doubts about her. She was rude at times for no reason, sarcastic and uncaring (most of the time). That is how i viewed Molly as I stated above. There isn’t many good things about her that i could list so i am sorry if you don’t like that but that is why we all have opinions.
I actually hate the new frontier writing but I don't hate the way Clem edgy actions in this season cause that my Clem from season 2 but not … morethe one i raised from S1 and her actions and rudeness in S3(not my season 3)were in par or maybe even more rudeness than molly's she even threatened to kill javi twice when she asked him for a van she shot the door when he was trying to open it for his brother she even robbed him and she considered that as a payment for saving him
I never seen molly threat Lee clem did a lot of things that at in S3 make's people who never hoped for Clementine to be a molly/Jane a like but you know telltale know damn well how to crush the people hopes.
Clem in season 3 at least from what I seen so far can take care of her self too you have seen her she survived alone for a long time as much as molly and Jane did she can solo a small party from the new frontier how are literally equipped with Stan grenade and a mashing … [view original content]
Oh I see... but what I meant by what I said is that since it is the Final Season that Telltale may try to give us an enjoyable and unforgettable experience. I do remember people thought that A New Frontier may have been the Final Season that we would have with Clementine as Javier was the New protagonist. I do understand where you are coming from as a lot of people were left disappointed with A New Frontier. I enjoyed A New Frontier. But I do think that Telltale know what needs to be done in order to make the Final Season a success.
I actually hate the new frontier writing but I don't hate the way Clem edgy actions in this season cause that my Clem from season 2 but not … morethe one i raised from S1 and her actions and rudeness in S3(not my season 3)were in par or maybe even more rudeness than molly's she even threatened to kill javi twice when she asked him for a van she shot the door when he was trying to open it for his brother she even robbed him and she considered that as a payment for saving him
I never seen molly threat Lee clem did a lot of things that at in S3 make's people who never hoped for Clementine to be a molly/Jane a like but you know telltale know damn well how to crush the people hopes.
Clem in season 3 at least from what I seen so far can take care of her self too you have seen her she survived alone for a long time as much as molly and Jane did she can solo a small party from the new frontier how are literally equipped with Stan grenade and a mashing … [view original content]
Man I don't remember my self typing any line that say why you don't like molly or you have to like molly or change your opinion about molly I said that the reasons that make you don't like molly as a person are the same in Clem in S3 but you instead of putting calm in the same spot as you putted molly in you blamed the writing in season and you said you don't like her actions not her as a person.
And again for any upcoming comment you may put please don't jump for conclusions of my intentions with me declaring them this two times you slap thing on me that I didn't meant in my comments
The biggest question i have is why you seem so bothered that i dont like Molly or Season 3 Clem? You seem annoyed or constantly trying to co… morempare both implying that I shouldn’t be saying what i am? Well sorry but that is how i feel.
I never said Clementine couldn’t look after herself and yes you are right, i would say Season 3 Clem was probably a lot worse than Molly, especially given how a few years into the apocalypse have gone by which would have made Clem more cold than she used to be. Also i never said or meant that Molly was a threat, just someone untrustworthy with attitude issues.
Ok, so just for you (seeing as you seem bothered by my opinions on Molly) i will list the good and bad things about her:
The good things about her:
* She helped Lee escape into the sewers by throwing him her hook (although this was only after her guilty conscience played a part when she was going to leave Lee, Kenny and Clem to die) but still s… [view original content]
I said you seem like you have a problem with my opinion and the reason i said that is because you continue to challenge my views by making comparisons to Clementine. I even agreed that S3 Clem is probably worse than Molly, however, Clementine is someone we have been with since the beginning and i will always have an attachment to her. Clementine even in Season 3 was probably still more likeable despite some of her actions.
Man I don't remember my self typing any line that say why you don't like molly or you have to like molly or change your opinion about molly … moreI said that the reasons that make you don't like molly as a person are the same in Clem in S3 but you instead of putting calm in the same spot as you putted molly in you blamed the writing in season and you said you don't like her actions not her as a person.
And again for any upcoming comment you may put please don't jump for conclusions of my intentions with me declaring them this two times you slap thing on me that I didn't meant in my comments
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I thought I was the only one who didn’t like Molly, I guess not.
I hope I don’t see her again because she’s basically Jane if she was in S1 (or Jane was Molly if she was in S2).
Wish Mark Darin returned, he wrote the best episode, Starved For Help.
It wouldn’t make any sense for her to return anyway. How she goes from Savannah to where Clementine is god only knows the chances of that.
Morales returning on last weeks walking dead episode is an example of that. It’s ridiculous.
I'm not a fan of Molly either, but it would be interesting to see how she turned out this late into the ZA.
Not sure which ep of S1's my fav, but I think they're all good to some degree, so if they do this right, we'll have at least one good episode in the final season.
I'm pretty sure Mark Darin still works at Telltale.
EDIT: According to his LinkedIn profile, he is still employed by Telltale, his work is now mainly as Telltale's Creative Director, not so much writing and designing as it used to be it seems.
I think he still has a chance of returning as well, in the TWD update video TellTale did, Mark was credited as a writer while Alyssa is credited as the creative director. It's not confirmation, but I feel it's good enough evidence that he might be helping write S4.
Woah ok with Gary Whitta returning we can expect some emotional content I believe he wrote Episode 4 I could be wrong but seeing that everyone here is talking about Molly we can assume it was Episode 4 also a small check into Episode 4 that some players are forgetting but that also contained the entire scene where Lee gets bit which caused all the players to have some bewilderment at that scene because we thought Lee was going to survive since the entire episode also brought into question who was going to be left behind while the others get on a boat and I know we expected Lee to be one of the guys who gets on the boat with Kenny and Clementine. So Gary Whitta could make this season more interesting let's hope TellTale allows him enough freedom to write a good story. Also I didn't enjoy Molly that much she was cool but her attitude and almost getting the group eaten by zombies with ringing the bells around them was selfish. She even mentions to Lee that it's how she gets around the city that she draws the walkers around any area with bells and doesn't care if their are groups in that area.
still not bad as Jane cause she would have probably left season 1 Clem behind since she wasnt a full survivor yet like she is in season 2.
Just a friendly reminder, please keep discussion respectful of personal boundaries towards the writers/staff/etc.
Criticizing the content is fine but don't make personally charged comments about the writers or other staff.
You fools, you're messing with the natural order! We must correct this at once!
Man, S2 and ANF sure did suck! What happened to you, Telltale? You used to not suck, and now you're doing the exact opposite of that; you're sucking!
Now everyone repeat after me: Everything after 2012 is mediocre!
You need to cool it on the buzzwords and stop letting TVTropes dictate your opinion on things
Lol no one is as bad as Jane. Even Season 3’s shit ass character writing is more tolerable than that bitch.
^I dunno why, but I feel sorta inclined to agree?
I don’t know about that?
That wasn’t actually me that said that, i was quoting the other users comment. No one is worse than Jane that i can think of right now
Y’know, that’s what I said about season 3
(choosing not to tell someone you were in Crawford is the same as lying)
Or more like your saying(Clementine choosing not to say to javi she is one of the new frontier that mean she's lying)
No its not there is a huge different between not saying some of the truth and saying something is not the truth its not the same art all.
You mean A New Frontier
Gary Whitta was only part of s1e4 and he was responsible for Molly, the badass ninja parkour chick that stuck out in an otherwise sobering and realistic season.
To be honest I think Around Every Corner is the weakest S1 Episode as far as storytelling goes. However, it's the best one gameplay wise, and possibly still better written than most of the S2, S3 and Michonne episodes.
I'm not going to lie, I'm sad that this will be the final season. As long as it is as good as New Frontier, Season 1, and Michonne, I'll be happy.
If you choose to deliberately not tell someone something that you don’t want them to know about, then that is exactly the same as lying as far as I’m concerned. The point is, it’s a lack of honesty and how can i trust Molly if she is generally like that?
You know what how about you define lying or look fro a definitions of lying cause no matter how much I look I find that's lying is yo intentionally give a wrong information not hiding it
LYING
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
antonyms: truth.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object), lied, ly·ing.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
synonyms: prevaricate, fib.
erb (used with object), lied, ly·ing.
to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively):
to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties.
Wow i have to say you are taking this very personally. Chill out dude! I see it one way and you see it the other and that’s that. If you deliberately withold information because you don’t want someone to know something, that to me is still lying. You are lying by omission, not speaking the said lie basically. Deceiving them is the same thing in a lot of ways. It’s dishonest and that was my whole point about Molly. Like for example, if you are in a committed relationship and have cheated on your partner, but do not tell your partner, you are still lying to them because the relationship is then based on a lie because of your deceit. If a witness at the scene of a crime was questioned whether they saw anyone around at the time but the witness decides not to tell the police that there was because it was a friend or someone they knew, that is omission. Omission becomes a lie when you intentionally hide something from someone, which i believe Molly did about Crawford, even Lee accuses her of lying. Christa also asks how she knew where the medical facility was and Molly covered that up by saying “it just makes sense doesn’t it”.
I really think you are taking this very personally and it’s not even worth arguing over is it?
So as Ben says, “i think you should chill out”
As good as ANF? Um...ok
To clear things up To you I am not taking any of this personally I am trying to be specific about explanations of actions and the definition of things so if my comment sound like I am taking it personally than that because that I am bad at English and usually miss type my attentions in lines.
And to clear another thing you said that this isn't worth arguing you wrong in this is more worth arguing than any video game subject ever cause misunderstanding the definition of action intentionally or mistakenly it may cause missunderstanding in different situations.
I asked to give me a definition that had a general agreement between the people not something only you and few of people who had your same way of thinking may believe in.
About the relationship thing you talk about that called as you said cheating or betrayal not lying I don't see how a girl/women lied to her lover about something she never said s thing about it or maybe she never have been asked about to give an awnser in the first place if her lover asked her directly do you have another person in you life and she said no or I have no one but you than this is a lie this is lyin if he asked her and she ignored the question or changed the subject that called hiding the truth or running from giving an answer not lying.
About (it make sense isn't it) she didn't lie were elsewhere you gonna find a medicines in a school out of the nurse office it doesn't need to think about its obvious.
This is exactly why i hardly visit this forum these days because of the constant back and forth disagreements with fellow members, it really grows tiresome.
FORTLEE, a lie being spoken in words is the same as someone who chooses not to reveal a lie. It is a form of a lie, a form of misdirection that said person chooses to do. It is deceitful and dishonest and i already explained about omission. Said person is choosing not to reveal their affair. A silent lie if you want to put it that way. A sham relationship based on a lie because it is fake. Said person is cheating, he/she knows that it is wrong and he/she inside would be lying to his or herself and their partner by not revealing it.
https://www.thehopeline.com/different-kinds-of-lies-you-tell
Read this here for the types of lies. The one i am referring to is in the “Lies of deception” section:
Molly said “they were using the nurses office as a medical facility” and Christa asked how she knew that as in “how did she know Crawford were using it for a medical facility”? Whilst it is true that the nurses offices would obviously “make sense” as Molly puts it, it doesn’t change the fact that she redirected her answer to Christa to cover up that she was once in Crawford, thus being what i see as deceitful/dishonest. Also i would add that the medicine could have been anywhere, the nurses room could have been a toilet for all anyone knew lol but Molly made it sound like to everyone that she knew for a fact where it was which is why Christa questioned her in the first place.
Anyway, without causing a further argument, i am not going to change my mind on what i know about a “lie” or “deceit” or any other forms of lies and that’s that. I am not trying to tell you otherwise or to change your mind either, i am telling you that this is how it is so we’ll agree to disagree. And i hope you don’t take offence as i am not trying to annoy you or anything.
I will clear something to when I start arguing with you it was never my intention or my interest to change you mind my intention was that what you said about someone avoiding saying the truth is the same as someone say something is not the truth he is a lair so not any one who might read your comment go along with it as long as it serve their own gathered toward molly character so put away from your thinking point that I am trying to change your mind.
(Lies of Deception
A deceiver tries to create an impression that causes others to be misled, by not telling all the facts, or creating a false impression.Jon admitted he was a deceiver:Sometimes I don’t like being seen as smart, so I’ll joke around about how smart I am just to try and get people to think that I’m not that smart. It works sometimes. It doesn’t feel like lying, I guess I’m just pretending to be something I’m not.Causing deception is a powerful and hurtful tool. It can be very subtle yet deadly.)
I read the topic you to the link and I got to say I liked it but I still don't see how not speaking a word about some thing I don't want people to know about for whatever reason it considered a lie yeah I might be a considered a deceiving or giving a wrong impression in case the intention of the person who avoided saying the though to hurt or to devices or the information that he/she don't reveals might cause a critical problem to the one who got deceived but calling it a lie?
Caused hiding an information can be for the self protection or personal reasons that will hurt a lot if they got revealed or might put some one person a humen/company/country in huge risk so keep those information by not revealing them without lying (by giving a wrong information or false statement) is better than lying if person got a wrong impression because of facts that haven't been revealed by by not talking them that because for his own personality and his rush thinking and paying an intentions to the person who talk to seek the fact from him or to get hi to the point of confession or or giving a wrong statement AKA lying
But giving no single statement whatever was wrong or right no Its no where near a the definition of a lie even law doesn't call it lie at least in my country law it considered Covering the facts or the criminal.
And a last question have you ever seen a medicine in a school girls/boys bathroom available for all students?
Im sorry but i am really struggling to understand your English. That’s not your fault though but thanks for trying to say what you have.
Ok let me first explain my entire point of this entire discussion. About Molly. Molly is someone who i see as deceitful, dishonest and someone who (certainly to begin with) was out for herself. She didn’t have to keep it secret that she was from Crawford. She could have been honest about it but she wasn’t. I am judging this on if i was Lee or someone in the group with her. How am I supposed to trust her after this deception?
You probably know this but i don’t like Molly, she’s not my biggest fan and i certainly would not trust her after discovering what she was seemingly trying to keep secret. Which brings me to my next thing, if me or someone else does not want another person to know something and decides not to reveal it, you honestly feel that this is not considered a FORM of lie? Because i have asked about 6 different people that i know personally (since this debate with you began) and they have all said that this is equally considered a lie but it’s not verbal and that is the only real difference. Just because someone doesn’t verbally lie does not mean that they aren’t lying. All it means is that the person they are withholding information from doesn’t know about it, however, the person that is keeping quiet certainly knows that they are silently lying. That link i sent you highlights 8 TYPES of lying and the deception part is one of them. In fact i think the best way to solve this is to agree that it is a form of a lie as i said before. What you are saying isn’t wrong either though and what you said before is clearly valid so i hope you appreciate that i am not denying that.
So rather than continue this endless slogging back and forth argument/discussion (whatever you wish to call this) we should end this now and both agree that we have different views ok? As i said, i won’t be changing my mind.
I used that as an example, not literally. My point was that no one knew for sure where the medical supplies would be except Molly and the nurses office for all any of the others knew could have been changed into a toilet or a storeroom or a panic room.
Your right its useless to keep this argument cause both of us have explained his point you see keeping an information as a form of lying and you outstandingly explained that and explained my point either and It wasn't my goal to change your mind from the first place I was it was to reveal that's not every one see keeping an information covered by not giving the whole story as a lie so for me its not a form of lying either.
Yeah this is the end of discussion of lying.
But one more thing just:
About what you said about you can't trust molly and you don't like her cause she kept a secret from Lee, you should do the same attitude towards Clem not revealing she was in the new frontier, maybe you will say I can't I now her since she was 8 and I trust her and hiding something may got her hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or she deserve to get disliked for or her being a bad person and molly hiding something may hurt her doesn't mean she is bad or deserve to got disliked for or her being a bad person either.
You may say I don't know a thing about molly but Javier doesn't know a thing about clem as much as Lee doesn't know a thing about molly.
You might say she is a kid unlike molly she fears cause she is a kid from the outcomes if her secret got revealed and from what Conrad did in the tunnel she was right but fear it not something only kids like clem or ben or gabe( AKA one of the most hated characters in the franchise) have to fear even adults fear so molly maybe did it for her own protection and she was lucky her secret got revealed by Lee cause he was the most emotionally stable person within the group at that time.
HHHHHHAaAaaaa well if u do please create a gif of it and post here
hell I hope so but I wont hold my breath. if length plus down down time plus more puzzles would be great
That wasn’t the only reason why I didn’t like Molly. I felt she wasn’t a team player, she seemed to be out for herself most of the time and was sarcastic and rude for no reason like when she called Vernon a fossil, little things like that really. The way she acted like she didn’t give a shit when Lee couldn’t find Clementine in the house. Also when Christa asked why Molly was still with the group she said “if Kenny gets the boat working you’re taking me with you as payment for saving your asses”, she basically invited herself along and had some nerve really because she wasn’t originally going to save Lee and Kenny if Clementine hadn’t been there to guilt trip her.
I don’t hate her, but i don’t really like her either.
Well I understand why Clem didn’t reveal she was with New Frontier because yes, she may have got hurt but i do feel she should have been more honest and trusted Javier more rather than keep it to herself because at least he was someone who wouldn’t hurt Clem. Here’s the thing. I don’t like people who lie or hide things from me. If he or she has a valid reason i will understand and not hate them, however, I would certainly not trust them easily again. At least with someone like Kenny for example, he was always honest to you and he never ever lied or kept secrets.
Clem tried to get Javier to lie for her for accidentally shooting the guy in episode 1. That wasn’t the Clem my Lee taught her to be dishonest like that but anyway just so we are clear, i don’t hate Clem but i hated the way she was written in Season 3 as a whole.
Well of course but first impressions are important you know and if i had just met someone who acted like Molly, i wouldn’t like them very much based on that first impression. Same with Clem. When she took Javier hostage, if you were Javier how would you feel? Sure, over time you become friends but how would you feel at first?
The thing is, maybe Conrad wouldn’t have done what he did if Clementine had been honest at the start in Prescott. If she sat down with Tripp, Conrad etc and told them she used to be with New Frontier, maybe they would have been angry at first but would eventually be ok with her. After New Frontier attack and Conrad lost Francine, that’s why he reacted badly to Clem in the tunnel. If he had know about her secret before Francine died, maybe he wouldn’t have done that to Clem in the tunnel.
Molly is someone who can easily take care of herself and she would have been able to protect herself if people had reacted badly but I don’t think the group would have hurt her because Lee’s group wasn’t like that. They might have been angry but that is all! Again i feel she should have been more honest about her links to Crawford. I don’t even know why she decided not to reveal that she was in Crawford because Vernon’s group admitted they used to be there and no one seemed to react badly to them.
I actually hate the new frontier writing but I don't hate the way Clem edgy actions in this season cause that my Clem from season 2 but not the one i raised from S1 and her actions and rudeness in S3(not my season 3)were in par or maybe even more rudeness than molly's she even threatened to kill javi twice when she asked him for a van she shot the door when he was trying to open it for his brother she even robbed him and she considered that as a payment for saving him
I never seen molly threat Lee clem did a lot of things that at in S3 make's people who never hoped for Clementine to be a molly/Jane a like but you know telltale know damn well how to crush the people hopes.
Clem in season 3 at least from what I seen so far can take care of her self too you have seen her she survived alone for a long time as much as molly and Jane did she can solo a small party from the new frontier how are literally equipped with Stan grenade and a mashing guns and in the season 3 credit she made her way through walkers by shooting them without puting in her mind that's noise attracted more of the so she Is at the same place with molly and if you don't like molly than you should have the same feeling cause the share the same reasons that make not liking Clem.
The biggest question i have is why you seem so bothered that i dont like Molly or Season 3 Clem? You seem annoyed or constantly trying to compare both implying that I shouldn’t be saying what i am? Well sorry but that is how i feel.
I never said Clementine couldn’t look after herself and yes you are right, i would say Season 3 Clem was probably a lot worse than Molly, especially given how a few years into the apocalypse have gone by which would have made Clem more cold than she used to be. Also i never said or meant that Molly was a threat, just someone untrustworthy with attitude issues.
Ok, so just for you (seeing as you seem bothered by my opinions on Molly) i will list the good and bad things about her:
The good things about her:
She helped Lee escape into the sewers by throwing him her hook (although this was only after her guilty conscience played a part when she was going to leave Lee, Kenny and Clem to die) but still she helped.
She helped the group in Crawford get the supplies they needed.
She helped Lee up through the sky light and off the roof when they were cornered.
Before she left the group (after changing her mind about joining them on the boat), for the first time she showed that she does have a nice side, actually being nice saying to Lee that he hopes he takes good care of Clem, even determinantly giving him a hug.
The bad things about her:
As i said above, she was going to leave Lee, Kenny and Clementine to die after the walkers came.
She was rude/sarcastic when Vernon asked who she was when she said “i’m the one who put that beating on him down at the river”, followed by “who’s the fossil?” insulting Vernon’s age and appearance. I felt that was unneeded.
She told Lee to stop bothering her when she was searching the bedroom upstairs and didn’t care that Clementine was missing. I know they only recently just met but if she was a decent person she would have shown concern for a missing child. I just didn’t like her for that.
She demanded that once the boat is fixed that they take her as payment for her saving them at the river which i thought was cheeky as hell given the fact she was going to leave them to die at first.
Keeping to herself that she was once in Crawford instead of being honest with the people she was with (no arguments please).
Like i told you, i just didn’t like Molly as a person, she is someone I wouldn’t like to have around because she seemed only interested in herself. Kenny thought this about her and so did Vernon as well as Christa who had her doubts about her. She was rude at times for no reason, sarcastic and uncaring (most of the time). That is how i viewed Molly as I stated above. There isn’t many good things about her that i could list so i am sorry if you don’t like that but that is why we all have opinions.
Oh I see... but what I meant by what I said is that since it is the Final Season that Telltale may try to give us an enjoyable and unforgettable experience. I do remember people thought that A New Frontier may have been the Final Season that we would have with Clementine as Javier was the New protagonist. I do understand where you are coming from as a lot of people were left disappointed with A New Frontier. I enjoyed A New Frontier. But I do think that Telltale know what needs to be done in order to make the Final Season a success.
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Man I don't remember my self typing any line that say why you don't like molly or you have to like molly or change your opinion about molly I said that the reasons that make you don't like molly as a person are the same in Clem in S3 but you instead of putting calm in the same spot as you putted molly in you blamed the writing in season and you said you don't like her actions not her as a person.
And again for any upcoming comment you may put please don't jump for conclusions of my intentions with me declaring them this two times you slap thing on me that I didn't meant in my comments
I said you seem like you have a problem with my opinion and the reason i said that is because you continue to challenge my views by making comparisons to Clementine. I even agreed that S3 Clem is probably worse than Molly, however, Clementine is someone we have been with since the beginning and i will always have an attachment to her. Clementine even in Season 3 was probably still more likeable despite some of her actions.