I feel your pain...I mean they brought back Kenny for no reason...what a crock of shit...bring back the one character who actually got a perfect arc in s1. What a colossal fuck up. I am here for you dan.
They were so bloody wasted. The most annoying thing for me is that after playing 400 days i said to myself that Bonnie is the one character … morei didn’t like and i hoped doesn’t play a large role in Season 2. Telltale you obviously wanted to torture me...
Even so, the fact they got our hopes up for nothing was a kick in the teeth for me
Yeah, that is definitely a serious problem that comes up from time to time.
They should damn well follow through with their original plan
True. Though it really depends sometimes.
like the slaughterhouse in S3 which actually sounded interesting
Meh.
the town they were supposed to visit in NGB that got completely tossed out the window
I get the feeling that was something whoever it was over JT Petty and Eric Stirpe came up with during Amid the Ruins that got ignored due to Nick Breckon simply trying to salvage as much of what he and/or Mr. Vanaman originally had slated as possible.
Part of me thinks it still could've worked, though.
Even so, the fact they got our hopes up for nothing was a kick in the teeth for me. They should damn well follow through with their original… more plans like the slaughterhouse in S3 which actually sounded interesting or the town they were supposed to visit in NGB that got completely tossed out the window
Is it weird that I've never understood the hate 400 Days got? (Aside from the deceptive marketing) I really thought it was a brilliant concept along with the nods to season one and all the characters and their stories were different and interesting in their own right.
Is it weird that I've never understood the hate 400 Days got? (Aside from the deceptive marketing) I really thought it was a brilliant conce… morept along with the nods to season one and all the characters and their stories were different and interesting in their own right.
Well for the most part they were apart of Carver's group. But when I played 400 days I was open to new characters and their stories. And even though each episode lasted like 15 minutes a piece depending on how you play, to me, they became somewhat likable and I wanted to see more of all of them. So when I ended 400 days I was pretty excited to see what would become of each of them in S2 and if they'd be apart of it.
When I was introduced to Carver in S2, like many of you, I hated his fucking guts. To this day I seen no wrong doing in what Kenny did (an eye for an eye ) : ) Probably not the best thing for a child to see, but I let Clem watch so I can But anyway, the way they treated the Cabin survivors was pretty shitty imo, even the little things. Giving them hard labor when really it's supposed to be a team effort, perpetrating this super tough community no one should screw around with, calling Clem's jacket ugly really pissed me off. Even when Carver sent Bonnie to scope out the cabin, then being spotted and pretending to be an ill woman with children, really got to me afterwards. And might I add, she even took supplies when that wasn't even their intentions in the first place. They all seemed like great characters to play with, but ultimately turned into buttholes and showed how weak they are as individuals.
So in addition, when Howe's got overturned by walkers with them potentially being still in it and Carver's faced looking like a cherry pie someone dropped after Kenny, I was pretty satisfied to say the least worst case scenario, they survived.
They brought Kenny back to further develop Clem. By having a character who the majority of people like, they wanted to test you/Clem’s resolve whether or not you/Clem were strong enough to shoot him at the end. I think they had always planned that final scene with the “who will you become” thing.
Also why do you always try to cause an argument? Fucking stop with your sarcasm seriously. “I am here for you” whatever your name is! I’m glad they brought him back and took away your smile ?
I feel your pain...I mean they brought back Kenny for no reason...what a crock of shit...bring back the one character who actually got a perfect arc in s1. What a colossal fuck up. I am here for you dan.
He was a fucking waste of space...he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and he was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way. So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2. Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny. Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded. Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
They brought Kenny back to further develop Clem. By having a character who the majority of people like, they wanted to test you/Clem’s resol… moreve whether or not you/Clem were strong enough to shoot him at the end. I think they had always planned that final scene with the “who will you become” thing.
Also why do you always try to cause an argument? Fucking stop with your sarcasm seriously. “I am here for you” whatever your name is! I’m glad they brought him back and took away your smile ?
If the cabin group were at the forefront of the game forever then we'd be talking about near season 3 levels of failure (main characters that no one rates and aren't good enough). Kenny and Jane (who were good enough to be in the spotlight) saved the season. I hope it happens again and they come back for season 4, cause I ain't buying if season 3 version of Clementine or Javier are back.
He was a fucking waste of space...he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and … morehe was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way. So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2. Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny. Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded. Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
The problem with your argument is 1. That you are basing it on a group that received no real attention to be fleshed out because...Kenny. If they had not used pornstache man again...then they would have had to do some work and do some actual real back stories for the cabin group....the basics were there. A mystery....even some compelling group quirks such as Carlos's alluded to but never shown violent streak. Did Alvin really kill George? Sarah....Sarah...Sarah.
If the cabin group were at the forefront of the game forever then we'd be talking about near season 3 levels of failure (main characters tha… moret no one rates and aren't good enough). Kenny and Jane (who were good enough to be in the spotlight) saved the season. I hope it happens again and they come back for season 4, cause I ain't buying if season 3 version of Clementine or Javier are back.
They brought Kenny back to further develop Clem. By having a character who the majority of people like, they wanted to test you/Clem’s resol… moreve whether or not you/Clem were strong enough to shoot him at the end. I think they had always planned that final scene with the “who will you become” thing.
Also why do you always try to cause an argument? Fucking stop with your sarcasm seriously. “I am here for you” whatever your name is! I’m glad they brought him back and took away your smile ?
he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and he was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way.
Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny.
Agreed.
Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
Admittedly, I did raise an eyebrow when I noticed that leaving with him was an option on my second playthrough.
Did Alvin really kill George?
Actually, they do reveal that the answer to that is yes. In fact, it's relatively obvious depending on your dialogue choices in the previous episode.
Sarah....Sarah...Sarah.
I love that you just listed her name thrice instead of detailing the many things she had in place for her.
He was a fucking waste of space...he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and … morehe was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way. So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2. Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny. Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded. Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
What a shit opinion, yet the majority of fans were over the moon to see him back. Any returning season 1 character that people had gotten attached to good or bad was a good thing so screw your shit opinion.
he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...
Except that they had almost 2 full episodes to develop the cabin group before Kenny returned and yet virtually fuck all was included to even make me feel an attachment to anyone so what you said there is invalid in my book. It is simply down to the writing team being shit with or without Kenny. I started liking Carley and Chuck, Omid and Christa for example within the first 5 minutes of meeting them. That shows the difference of in quality of writers from Season 1 compared to Season 2.
and he was never close to Clem in S1.
They had 3 months to bond, yes it was offscreen but due to numerous conversations about Clementine throughout Season 1 we know that he cared about her such as wanting to make sure Duck and Clem were fed that is just one example. Just because he wasn’t seen talking to her much doesn’t mean shit. He knew his son and Clem were good friends, did you forget that? That was good enough for me.
His arc was done and should have stayed that way.
Well cry all you want because that’s not how it went down. To make a username (spelt wrong too) complaining about it was pretty ridiculous to be fair as well.
So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2.
I never would have guessed lol.
Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny.
Blah blah bullshit blah blah. Fuck Lilly.
Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded.
LOL!! Once again you are talking of your ass missy! The writers were shit ever since Sean and his team left Telltale in my opinion. They knew how to write a story. As i said before, they still would have not developed the characters well with or without Kenny because they were shit anyway. Stop using his existence as an excuse just because you don’t like him. It’s pathetic it really is.
Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington
You’re actually a sickening and a very VERY naive person who i sure as hell wouldn’t want to meet in real life let alone a dark apocalyptic world. What the fuck is wrong with you? And what are you talking about? Pissing on everyone who had died? Kindly explain?
only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
Ha at least Kenny doesn’t hide babies in freezing cars pretending they had died to prove a point that didn’t even need to be addressed in the first place. There’s nothing more fucked up than that. At least he has always been an honest person who has never LIED about anything unlike that stupid fucking bitch Jane who only always thinks of herself 90% of the time. So fuck Jane and fuck you on your opinion. Safety? You wouldn’t know what actual safety is if it bit you in the ass. Jane is actually dangerous. You don’t see it though which is understandable for who you are
He was a fucking waste of space...he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and … morehe was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way. So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2. Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny. Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded. Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
dan you are an idiot...Jane may have been stupid, but it was not she who decided to beat on an unarmed prisoner continuously and split the group...that was Kenny. It was not Jane who while beating the fuck out of Arvo put his elbow into Clem's face. It was Kenny who constantly put the group in danger...it was Kenny who got Walter killed and detrimently Alvin. It was Kenny who felt that beating Carver to death was a good use of their time instead of just offing him fast. Kenny who got pissy when the group wanted to do things different.
And this is a guy you feel is qualified to guide an 11 year old and a newborn through life? I question your sanity. Because it is only a matter of time before he wants to do something that Clem does not agree with. It is in his nature, he cannot take criticism and he will get pissed off and do something stupid.
I think it would have been only a matter of time before she had to kill him.
Now if I am being honest here...no I do not think his death in ANF was in any way shape or form a proper way of killing him. I mean it is logical that it could happen....but if he was to die...I woulda chose for him to go out like a boss and not as street pizza. Just as I think Jane's death was logical...I think for the fans it should have been more epic.
He was a fucking waste of space...
What a shit opinion, yet the majority of fans were over the moon to see him back. Any returning s… moreeason 1 character that people had gotten attached to good or bad was a good thing so screw your shit opinion.
he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...
Except that they had almost 2 full episodes to develop the cabin group before Kenny returned and yet virtually fuck all was included to even make me feel an attachment to anyone so what you said there is invalid in my book. It is simply down to the writing team being shit with or without Kenny. I started liking Carley and Chuck, Omid and Christa for example within the first 5 minutes of meeting them. That shows the difference of in quality of writers from Season 1 compared to Season 2.
and he was never close to Clem in S1.
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Interesting read but I disagree. Kenny isn't there just to develop Clementine (though he does I ). His presence develops the entire story of season 2. Even his mere introduction back into the fold takes the rivalry with Carver to the next level and adds some much needed spice to the story.
The cabin group's failure to take off had absolutely nothing to do with Kenny. If so, why wasn't Jane affected in the same way? How come she was still able to build a big fanbase and have a good character dynamic with Clementine without Kenny's presence getting in the way? When I replay the game, I can see right from Jane's introduction that she is already more interesting and mysterious than the cabin group.
https://www.popmatters.com/191393-a-mea-culpa-for-kenny-2495552339.html
I found this an interesting read. Each to their own, but development of characters after Season 1 overall was very bad anyway
I think you’ll find that you are the idiot about a many great things sweetheart.
Jane may have been stupid, but it was not she who decided to beat on an unarmed prisoner continuously and split the group...that was Kenny
Aww poor widdle Arvo. The same kid who along with his Russian prick friends had just ambushed the group intending to rob and kill them, but yeah sure let’s give that little shit a nice big hug and sit down and have tea and biscuits and forget all about that because he is unarmed and innocent right? Ha now that is what i call stupid, trusting a guy who had just tried to rob and kill you. Did Kenny go round beating Luke or Mike up or anyone else? No because they weren’t being a threat to him and they were part of the group, friends of Clem. Arvo wasn’t. Whenever Kenny does something REGARDLESS if it is morally wrong, he always had a reason to. I’m not saying what he did to Arvo was nice and of course i didn’t like it, but he was provoked each time however. You view the situation as something we see in every day life but you aren’t seeing it through the eyes of someone living in an apocalypse. I’ll explain if i must.
It was not Jane who while beating the fuck out of Arvo put his elbow into Clem's face.
Then maybe Clem shouldn’t have been stupid enough to get near him when he was doing that which by the way was DETERMINANT and once realising what he ACCIDENTALLY did to her then stopped said beating.
It was Kenny who constantly put the group in danger...
Oh really? Care to list the times he put the group in danger so i can refute that as usual?
it was Kenny who got Walter killed and detrimently Alvin.
And? Why don’t you look at it from this point of view. Kenny and his girlfriend with Walter and Matthew were living perfectly happy lives until these fucking people on the run from a mad man turned up and brought this DANGER to them! They were the reason that shit happened and that he got taken hostage with his girlfriend. Kenny tried to help those people, he didn’t have to but he did and it ultimately got Walter killed after what he did but he wasn’t to know the type of man Carver was. Carver might not have given a shit about Johnny dying. Point is, Kenny didn’t owe any of them a fucking thing.
It was Kenny who felt that beating Carver to death was a good use of their time instead of just offing him fast.
If someone bashed your eye you’re telling me you wouldn’t be pissed off or want to make said person suffer for what they did? He told them all to leave and not witness it so how was it his fault if they argued or didn’t leave straight away when he said that? For someone who just said “i smiled when he went through the windshield” i would have thought you’re the type of sick individual to support what he did to Carver.
Kenny who got pissy when the group wanted to do things different.
More like being HONEST when he disagreed with the group instead of nodding his head, smiling and being two faced and agreeing which is what a lot of people do generally because they don’t have the balls to speak their minds. Fucking Yes Men is what they are. What makes their “things” more important? Oh wait i know! They are more important in your view because you just don’t like Kenny and everything he says or does is wrong. Biased much? Guess that goes both ways.
And this is a guy you feel is qualified to guide an 11 year old and a newborn through life? I question your sanity.
You can question mine all you want as i question yours as well for different reasons. Number 1, yes, he had a son that he helped raise or have you forgotten that already? He knew how to be a dad. Seems like the guy did ok “guiding” the 11 year old and newborn after the events of Season 2 as ANF clearly showed. He was happier with just him and Clem, there was no conflict or problems in the what was it? 13 months or longer they spent together? I forget how much time had passed before Clem met TNF. Jane on the other hand committed suicide because she couldn’t deal with what she stupidly allowed to happen to her with Luke and left those kids alone for a whole fucking year or whatever. Yeahhh Jane was the perrrrrfect person for Clem wasn’t she? Someone who not only lies and forces a decision on you but someone who would up and leave you or the group you are with at any given time which she inevitably did by killing herself.
Because it is only a matter of time before he wants to do something that Clem does not agree with. It is in his nature, he cannot take criticism and he will get pissed off and do something stupid.
These are his flaws, HUMAN flaws yes well done dear, do you want a cookie? So when Clem disagrees with him, he’s going to beat her up is he? Lol someone as stupid as you would probably think he would deliberately hit a young child. Yeah he’d disagree, he’d rant blah blah but then he’d get over it, he’d calm down LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES ever since Season 1. Half of the time when he says mean stuff, he doesn’t really mean and often admits he is wrong. He even said in NGB that he can be a real shit sometimes.
Here’s the thing sweetheart, i want someone i can TRUST more than anything if i was living in a ZA. If i was round someone who was a dick at times and maybe didn’t even particularly like them, if i knew he was trustworthy, he’d be fine in my book because i know i can trust him or her. That is what is most important.
I think it would have been only a matter of time before she had to kill him.
Lol always looking at it from the one dimensional view as always.
Now if I am being honest here...
You? Honest?
no I do not think his death in ANF was in any way shape or form a proper way of killing him. I mean it is logical that it could happen....but if he was to die...I woulda chose for him to go out like a boss and not as street pizza. Just as I think Jane's death was logical...I think for the fans it should have been more epic.
Well, well we actually agree on something. Incredible.
dan you are an idiot...Jane may have been stupid, but it was not she who decided to beat on an unarmed prisoner continuously and split the g… moreroup...that was Kenny. It was not Jane who while beating the fuck out of Arvo put his elbow into Clem's face. It was Kenny who constantly put the group in danger...it was Kenny who got Walter killed and detrimently Alvin. It was Kenny who felt that beating Carver to death was a good use of their time instead of just offing him fast. Kenny who got pissy when the group wanted to do things different.
And this is a guy you feel is qualified to guide an 11 year old and a newborn through life? I question your sanity. Because it is only a matter of time before he wants to do something that Clem does not agree with. It is in his nature, he cannot take criticism and he will get pissed off and do something stupid.
I think it would have been only a matter of time before she had to kill him.
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Well what do we have here? Another thread derailed by unrelated Kenny vs Jane arguments. Not that I'm complaining nor am I completely innocent of derailing threads myself. I just find it amusing that after a full season (or two, if you count Michonne) has passed since his controversial reappearance there are people still willing to go to arms over whether Kenny is one of the best characters in the series or complete trash as a man (and maybe even as a written character depending on who you ask). I truly hope we meet another character as polarizing as Kenny in The Final Season (though hopefully in a way that's based around their personality and less on questionable writing.) Debates like these are always a treat.
i just hope for telltale to atleast reintroduce some members of the 400 days group into the final season by making them part of the mcaroll ranch since they re not actually tied with Clem then it wont really derail the season that much because they wouldnt have a preestablished relationship with her.
Well what do we have here? Another thread derailed by unrelated Kenny vs Jane arguments. Not that I'm complaining nor am I completely innoce… morent of derailing threads myself. I just find it amusing that after a full season (or two, if you count Michonne) has passed since his controversial reappearance there are people still willing to go to arms over whether Kenny is one of the best characters in the series or complete trash as a man (and maybe even as a written character depending on who you ask). I truly hope we meet another character as polarizing as Kenny in The Final Season (though hopefully in a way that's based around their personality and less on questionable writing.) Debates like these are always a treat.
Ha, forgot what the thread was actually about... I would like to see the 400 days characters back in the picture if possible (especially Nate, Becca and Shel).
Well what do we have here? Another thread derailed by unrelated Kenny vs Jane arguments. Not that I'm complaining nor am I completely innoce… morent of derailing threads myself. I just find it amusing that after a full season (or two, if you count Michonne) has passed since his controversial reappearance there are people still willing to go to arms over whether Kenny is one of the best characters in the series or complete trash as a man (and maybe even as a written character depending on who you ask). I truly hope we meet another character as polarizing as Kenny in The Final Season (though hopefully in a way that's based around their personality and less on questionable writing.) Debates like these are always a treat.
Nah! The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fate. For them to appear now would mean they would have to carry your 400 days choices over to Season 4. Like if only a few went to Carver’s, what happens to the rest? Do they all reunite unrealistically at this ranch in the final season?
i just hope for telltale to atleast reintroduce some members of the 400 days group into the final season by making them part of the mcaroll … moreranch since they re not actually tied with Clem then it wont really derail the season that much because they wouldnt have a preestablished relationship with her.
Nah! The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fa… morete. For them to appear now would mean they would have to carry your 400 days choices over to Season 4. Like if only a few went to Carver’s, what happens to the rest? Do they all reunite unrealistically at this ranch in the final season?
Can’t see it...
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fate.
There are still the non-playable 400 days characters that could not be a part of Carver's group and aren't determinant, specifically Nate and Eddie (and possibly the members of Shel's old group that weren't killed off). It's just a matter of whether or not Telltale remembers them and feels that there's enough potentially interesting characterization in their personalities to make bringing them back worth it.
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
In my opinion even though Kenny's reappearance could be considered unnecessary and he did undoubtedly take away development time from the cabin group I still feel that was a good if not great continuation to his character arc. I loved how it seemed like everyone he let himself get attached was only an attempt to replace the family that he had lost (first Sarita replacing Katjaa, then Clementine and maybe even AJ replacing Duck) when he had either failed to protect them or entered a situation that put them at risk his more negative traits would begin to show. This continued to boil after his repeated failed attempts to rekindle the family he had with Katjaa and Duck (or any family really, seeing how he lashed out at Arvo after Rebecca's death), coming to a (in my opinion) brilliantly tragic climax when Jane, someone who seemingly embodied nearly everything Kenny detested in a person, destroyed his last chance to resurrect some element of family, seemingly for her own survival, which is why he broke down and charged after her in a blind fury.
Even today I still feel like every outcome to that scene where he dies or part ways with Clem was a near perfect sendoff to his character, because at the end of the day Kenny was always a family man first. It was clear from the start that he would do anything if it meant having to either protect or avenge those he considered to be family, and it was up to the player to determine whether or not he was deserving or even capable of redemption after the atrocities he committed in the name of family.
Nah! The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fa… morete. For them to appear now would mean they would have to carry your 400 days choices over to Season 4. Like if only a few went to Carver’s, what happens to the rest? Do they all reunite unrealistically at this ranch in the final season?
Can’t see it...
Yes the non playable 400 days charactere would be an interesting reintroduction and i would support that but i really can’t see Telltale even thinking about them again. They’ll be unknown forever.
As for Kenny, i’d take his Season 2 death than the disgraceful shit we were given in Season thre...sorry i mean that ANF reboot/spinoff or whatever you want to call it crap that they made using the walking dead’s name lol
The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fate.
… more
There are still the non-playable 400 days characters that could not be a part of Carver's group and aren't determinant, specifically Nate and Eddie (and possibly the members of Shel's old group that weren't killed off). It's just a matter of whether or not Telltale remembers them and feels that there's enough potentially interesting characterization in their personalities to make bringing them back worth it.
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
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they could just have 2 characters from 400 days appear at mcaroll ranch case in point:
Shell and Becca seeing as they re always together they could just add a couple of lines about them having another group before if they went to Howe s but the rest dint make it. also maybe add Eddie too since he s missing.
Nah! The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fa… morete. For them to appear now would mean they would have to carry your 400 days choices over to Season 4. Like if only a few went to Carver’s, what happens to the rest? Do they all reunite unrealistically at this ranch in the final season?
Can’t see it...
Yes the non playable 400 days charactere would be an interesting reintroduction and i would support that but i really can’t see Telltale even thinking about them again. They’ll be unknown forever.
Honestly if Telltale decided to take their archetypes and use them in new characters for TFS I'd be fine with that, even though they'd be missing out on a golden opportunity to give 400 days even more impact on the main series. Nate's character in particular is one I really want Telltale to delve into. I just find it strange how we're 4 installments in and Telltale has barely touched upon the survivors who embrace the apocalypse as an excuse to take the world even less seriously ( or even better, having done so as a means to cope.) Sure there were characters who might've adopted this mentality but to my recollection they only were used as villains like Randall and Badger with only the wild sociopathic ruthlessness that can stem from such an outlook being presented and we never get a close look at why they had become that way. I really hope we get to see an in depth look at this kind of character in The Final Season whether it be Nate or someone entirely new.
Yes the non playable 400 days charactere would be an interesting reintroduction and i would support that but i really can’t see Telltale eve… moren thinking about them again. They’ll be unknown forever.
As for Kenny, i’d take his Season 2 death than the disgraceful shit we were given in Season thre...sorry i mean that ANF reboot/spinoff or whatever you want to call it crap that they made using the walking dead’s name lol
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
Just a heads up, personally charged comments like this aren't necessary so let's please try to avoid them. Thanks.
Lol what are you 7?
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Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I … moreknow you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
Just a heads up, personally charged comments like this aren't necessary so let's please try to avoid them. Thanks.
they could just have 2 characters from 400 days appear at mcaroll ranch case in point:
Shell and Becca seeing as they re always together th… moreey could just add a couple of lines about them having another group before if they went to Howe s but the rest dint make it. also maybe add Eddie too since he s missing.
Getting this topic back on track, I've been thinking about how Shel and Becca would work now if they were reintroduced, especially if Becca meets Clementine now.
Getting this topic back on track, I've been thinking about how Shel and Becca would work now if they were reintroduced, especially if Becca meets Clementine now.
Not necessarily. Both of them don't show enough traits to make them counterparts of Kenny or Jane, and a conflict between the two doesn't have to be reminiscent of Kenny and Jane either.
I would like to see Becca and Clementine's character dynamics to be more like Lee and Kenny's rather than Kenny and Jane. They may get into some heated disagreements but still be able to ultimately work together towards a common goal.
Not necessarily. Both of them don't show enough traits to make them counterparts of Kenny or Jane, and a conflict between the two doesn't have to be reminiscent of Kenny and Jane either.
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I feel your pain...I mean they brought back Kenny for no reason...what a crock of shit...bring back the one character who actually got a perfect arc in s1. What a colossal fuck up. I am here for you dan.
Yeah, that is definitely a serious problem that comes up from time to time.
True. Though it really depends sometimes.
Meh.
I get the feeling that was something whoever it was over JT Petty and Eric Stirpe came up with during Amid the Ruins that got ignored due to Nick Breckon simply trying to salvage as much of what he and/or Mr. Vanaman originally had slated as possible.
Part of me thinks it still could've worked, though.
Is it weird that I've never understood the hate 400 Days got? (Aside from the deceptive marketing) I really thought it was a brilliant concept along with the nods to season one and all the characters and their stories were different and interesting in their own right.
Did it get much hate?
Well for the most part they were apart of Carver's group. But when I played 400 days I was open to new characters and their stories. And even though each episode lasted like 15 minutes a piece depending on how you play, to me, they became somewhat likable and I wanted to see more of all of them. So when I ended 400 days I was pretty excited to see what would become of each of them in S2 and if they'd be apart of it.
When I was introduced to Carver in S2, like many of you, I hated his fucking guts. To this day I seen no wrong doing in what Kenny did (an eye for an eye
) : ) Probably not the best thing for a child to see, but I let Clem watch so I can 
But anyway, the way they treated the Cabin survivors was pretty shitty imo, even the little things. Giving them hard labor when really it's supposed to be a team effort, perpetrating this super tough community no one should screw around with, calling Clem's jacket ugly really pissed me off. Even when Carver sent Bonnie to scope out the cabin, then being spotted and pretending to be an ill woman with children, really got to me afterwards. And might I add, she even took supplies when that wasn't even their intentions in the first place. They all seemed like great characters to play with, but ultimately turned into buttholes and showed how weak they are as individuals.
So in addition, when Howe's got overturned by walkers with them potentially being still in it and Carver's faced looking like a cherry pie someone dropped after Kenny, I was pretty satisfied to say the least
worst case scenario, they survived.
They brought Kenny back to further develop Clem. By having a character who the majority of people like, they wanted to test you/Clem’s resolve whether or not you/Clem were strong enough to shoot him at the end. I think they had always planned that final scene with the “who will you become” thing.
Also why do you always try to cause an argument? Fucking stop with your sarcasm seriously. “I am here for you” whatever your name is! I’m glad they brought him back and took away your smile ?
He was a fucking waste of space...he was a crutch the writers used so they did not have to put effort into developing the cabin group...and he was never close to Clem in S1. His arc was done and should have stayed that way. So as in as much you disliked Bonnie....I thought Kenny was the one character that did NOT need to be in s2. Hell I could have bought Lilly being in there as a better effort at writing a story than Kenny. Kenny being in S2 was the first real crack that the majority of players let the writers get away with...so they just got lazier and that is why we ended up with ANF, because low effort writing was rewarded. Plus my smile returned when that shithead went out the windshield for everyone who thought pissing on everyone who had died to get you to Wellington only to have you decide...nah...fuck safety we will go with a maniac.
If the cabin group were at the forefront of the game forever then we'd be talking about near season 3 levels of failure (main characters that no one rates and aren't good enough). Kenny and Jane (who were good enough to be in the spotlight) saved the season. I hope it happens again and they come back for season 4, cause I ain't buying if season 3 version of Clementine or Javier are back.
The problem with your argument is 1. That you are basing it on a group that received no real attention to be fleshed out because...Kenny. If they had not used pornstache man again...then they would have had to do some work and do some actual real back stories for the cabin group....the basics were there. A mystery....even some compelling group quirks such as Carlos's alluded to but never shown violent streak. Did Alvin really kill George? Sarah....Sarah...Sarah.
I can't help but feel they did not do a very decent job if this was indeed part of the case.
Agreed.
Admittedly, I did raise an eyebrow when I noticed that leaving with him was an option on my second playthrough.
Actually, they do reveal that the answer to that is yes. In fact, it's relatively obvious depending on your dialogue choices in the previous episode.
I love that you just listed her name thrice instead of detailing the many things she had in place for her.
What a shit opinion, yet the majority of fans were over the moon to see him back. Any returning season 1 character that people had gotten attached to good or bad was a good thing so screw your shit opinion.
Except that they had almost 2 full episodes to develop the cabin group before Kenny returned and yet virtually fuck all was included to even make me feel an attachment to anyone so what you said there is invalid in my book. It is simply down to the writing team being shit with or without Kenny. I started liking Carley and Chuck, Omid and Christa for example within the first 5 minutes of meeting them. That shows the difference of in quality of writers from Season 1 compared to Season 2.
They had 3 months to bond, yes it was offscreen but due to numerous conversations about Clementine throughout Season 1 we know that he cared about her such as wanting to make sure Duck and Clem were fed that is just one example. Just because he wasn’t seen talking to her much doesn’t mean shit. He knew his son and Clem were good friends, did you forget that? That was good enough for me.
Well cry all you want because that’s not how it went down. To make a username (spelt wrong too) complaining about it was pretty ridiculous to be fair as well.
I never would have guessed lol.
Blah blah bullshit blah blah. Fuck Lilly.
LOL!! Once again you are talking of your ass missy! The writers were shit ever since Sean and his team left Telltale in my opinion. They knew how to write a story. As i said before, they still would have not developed the characters well with or without Kenny because they were shit anyway. Stop using his existence as an excuse just because you don’t like him. It’s pathetic it really is.
You’re actually a sickening and a very VERY naive person who i sure as hell wouldn’t want to meet in real life let alone a dark apocalyptic world. What the fuck is wrong with you? And what are you talking about? Pissing on everyone who had died? Kindly explain?
Ha at least Kenny doesn’t hide babies in freezing cars pretending they had died to prove a point that didn’t even need to be addressed in the first place. There’s nothing more fucked up than that. At least he has always been an honest person who has never LIED about anything unlike that stupid fucking bitch Jane who only always thinks of herself 90% of the time. So fuck Jane and fuck you on your opinion. Safety? You wouldn’t know what actual safety is if it bit you in the ass. Jane is actually dangerous. You don’t see it though which is understandable for who you are
https://www.popmatters.com/191393-a-mea-culpa-for-kenny-2495552339.html
I found this an interesting read. Each to their own, but development of characters after Season 1 overall was very bad anyway
dan you are an idiot...Jane may have been stupid, but it was not she who decided to beat on an unarmed prisoner continuously and split the group...that was Kenny. It was not Jane who while beating the fuck out of Arvo put his elbow into Clem's face. It was Kenny who constantly put the group in danger...it was Kenny who got Walter killed and detrimently Alvin. It was Kenny who felt that beating Carver to death was a good use of their time instead of just offing him fast. Kenny who got pissy when the group wanted to do things different.
And this is a guy you feel is qualified to guide an 11 year old and a newborn through life? I question your sanity. Because it is only a matter of time before he wants to do something that Clem does not agree with. It is in his nature, he cannot take criticism and he will get pissed off and do something stupid.
I think it would have been only a matter of time before she had to kill him.
Now if I am being honest here...no I do not think his death in ANF was in any way shape or form a proper way of killing him. I mean it is logical that it could happen....but if he was to die...I woulda chose for him to go out like a boss and not as street pizza. Just as I think Jane's death was logical...I think for the fans it should have been more epic.
And Wellington LOL....derp.
Interesting read but I disagree. Kenny isn't there just to develop Clementine (though he does I ). His presence develops the entire story of season 2. Even his mere introduction back into the fold takes the rivalry with Carver to the next level and adds some much needed spice to the story.
@Kennyshouladiedins1
The cabin group's failure to take off had absolutely nothing to do with Kenny. If so, why wasn't Jane affected in the same way? How come she was still able to build a big fanbase and have a good character dynamic with Clementine without Kenny's presence getting in the way? When I replay the game, I can see right from Jane's introduction that she is already more interesting and mysterious than the cabin group.
I think you’ll find that you are the idiot about a many great things sweetheart.
Aww poor widdle Arvo. The same kid who along with his Russian prick friends had just ambushed the group intending to rob and kill them, but yeah sure let’s give that little shit a nice big hug and sit down and have tea and biscuits and forget all about that because he is unarmed and innocent right? Ha now that is what i call stupid, trusting a guy who had just tried to rob and kill you. Did Kenny go round beating Luke or Mike up or anyone else? No because they weren’t being a threat to him and they were part of the group, friends of Clem. Arvo wasn’t. Whenever Kenny does something REGARDLESS if it is morally wrong, he always had a reason to. I’m not saying what he did to Arvo was nice and of course i didn’t like it, but he was provoked each time however. You view the situation as something we see in every day life but you aren’t seeing it through the eyes of someone living in an apocalypse. I’ll explain if i must.
Then maybe Clem shouldn’t have been stupid enough to get near him when he was doing that which by the way was DETERMINANT and once realising what he ACCIDENTALLY did to her then stopped said beating.
Oh really? Care to list the times he put the group in danger so i can refute that as usual?
And? Why don’t you look at it from this point of view. Kenny and his girlfriend with Walter and Matthew were living perfectly happy lives until these fucking people on the run from a mad man turned up and brought this DANGER to them! They were the reason that shit happened and that he got taken hostage with his girlfriend. Kenny tried to help those people, he didn’t have to but he did and it ultimately got Walter killed after what he did but he wasn’t to know the type of man Carver was. Carver might not have given a shit about Johnny dying. Point is, Kenny didn’t owe any of them a fucking thing.
If someone bashed your eye you’re telling me you wouldn’t be pissed off or want to make said person suffer for what they did? He told them all to leave and not witness it so how was it his fault if they argued or didn’t leave straight away when he said that? For someone who just said “i smiled when he went through the windshield” i would have thought you’re the type of sick individual to support what he did to Carver.
More like being HONEST when he disagreed with the group instead of nodding his head, smiling and being two faced and agreeing which is what a lot of people do generally because they don’t have the balls to speak their minds. Fucking Yes Men is what they are. What makes their “things” more important? Oh wait i know! They are more important in your view because you just don’t like Kenny and everything he says or does is wrong. Biased much? Guess that goes both ways.
You can question mine all you want as i question yours as well for different reasons. Number 1, yes, he had a son that he helped raise or have you forgotten that already? He knew how to be a dad. Seems like the guy did ok “guiding” the 11 year old and newborn after the events of Season 2 as ANF clearly showed. He was happier with just him and Clem, there was no conflict or problems in the what was it? 13 months or longer they spent together? I forget how much time had passed before Clem met TNF. Jane on the other hand committed suicide because she couldn’t deal with what she stupidly allowed to happen to her with Luke and left those kids alone for a whole fucking year or whatever. Yeahhh Jane was the perrrrrfect person for Clem wasn’t she? Someone who not only lies and forces a decision on you but someone who would up and leave you or the group you are with at any given time which she inevitably did by killing herself.
These are his flaws, HUMAN flaws yes well done dear, do you want a cookie? So when Clem disagrees with him, he’s going to beat her up is he? Lol someone as stupid as you would probably think he would deliberately hit a young child. Yeah he’d disagree, he’d rant blah blah but then he’d get over it, he’d calm down LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES ever since Season 1. Half of the time when he says mean stuff, he doesn’t really mean and often admits he is wrong. He even said in NGB that he can be a real shit sometimes.
Here’s the thing sweetheart, i want someone i can TRUST more than anything if i was living in a ZA. If i was round someone who was a dick at times and maybe didn’t even particularly like them, if i knew he was trustworthy, he’d be fine in my book because i know i can trust him or her. That is what is most important.
Lol always looking at it from the one dimensional view as always.
You? Honest?
Well, well we actually agree on something. Incredible.
Explain?
Goodnight
Well what do we have here? Another thread derailed by unrelated Kenny vs Jane arguments. Not that I'm complaining nor am I completely innocent of derailing threads myself. I just find it amusing that after a full season (or two, if you count Michonne) has passed since his controversial reappearance there are people still willing to go to arms over whether Kenny is one of the best characters in the series or complete trash as a man (and maybe even as a written character depending on who you ask). I truly hope we meet another character as polarizing as Kenny in The Final Season (though hopefully in a way that's based around their personality and less on questionable writing.) Debates like these are always a treat.
i just hope for telltale to atleast reintroduce some members of the 400 days group into the final season by making them part of the mcaroll ranch since they re not actually tied with Clem then it wont really derail the season that much because they wouldnt have a preestablished relationship with her.
Well KSDIS1 began this by sarcastically criticising him comparing to how i felt about Bonnie’s role in Season 2
Ha, forgot what the thread was actually about... I would like to see the 400 days characters back in the picture if possible (especially Nate, Becca and Shel).
Nah! The 400 days characters became irrelevant the moment they all became determinant the same as every other character that suffers that fate. For them to appear now would mean they would have to carry your 400 days choices over to Season 4. Like if only a few went to Carver’s, what happens to the rest? Do they all reunite unrealistically at this ranch in the final season?
Can’t see it...
LoL what are you 7?
Just recton the story so that all of them went to Carver's base. Not like choices really matter much from game to game anyway.
Nope, just telling him exactly how the thread derailed because i felt like it. Don’t feel bad though. I know you never grow up either when it comes to Kenny lol
lol ok you got me...despite everything I like you dan.
If we didn’t have such opposing views on Kenny, i probably would get on really well with you to be honest. Shame
There are still the non-playable 400 days characters that could not be a part of Carver's group and aren't determinant, specifically Nate and Eddie (and possibly the members of Shel's old group that weren't killed off). It's just a matter of whether or not Telltale remembers them and feels that there's enough potentially interesting characterization in their personalities to make bringing them back worth it.
In my opinion even though Kenny's reappearance could be considered unnecessary and he did undoubtedly take away development time from the cabin group I still feel that was a good if not great continuation to his character arc. I loved how it seemed like everyone he let himself get attached was only an attempt to replace the family that he had lost (first Sarita replacing Katjaa, then Clementine and maybe even AJ replacing Duck) when he had either failed to protect them or entered a situation that put them at risk his more negative traits would begin to show. This continued to boil after his repeated failed attempts to rekindle the family he had with Katjaa and Duck (or any family really, seeing how he lashed out at Arvo after Rebecca's death), coming to a (in my opinion) brilliantly tragic climax when Jane, someone who seemingly embodied nearly everything Kenny detested in a person, destroyed his last chance to resurrect some element of family, seemingly for her own survival, which is why he broke down and charged after her in a blind fury.
Even today I still feel like every outcome to that scene where he dies or part ways with Clem was a near perfect sendoff to his character, because at the end of the day Kenny was always a family man first. It was clear from the start that he would do anything if it meant having to either protect or avenge those he considered to be family, and it was up to the player to determine whether or not he was deserving or even capable of redemption after the atrocities he committed in the name of family.
Yes the non playable 400 days charactere would be an interesting reintroduction and i would support that but i really can’t see Telltale even thinking about them again. They’ll be unknown forever.
As for Kenny, i’d take his Season 2 death than the disgraceful shit we were given in Season thre...sorry i mean that ANF reboot/spinoff or whatever you want to call it crap that they made using the walking dead’s name lol
they could just have 2 characters from 400 days appear at mcaroll ranch case in point:
Shell and Becca seeing as they re always together they could just add a couple of lines about them having another group before if they went to Howe s but the rest dint make it. also maybe add Eddie too since he s missing.
I'd like to think they could have escaped. I mean if Kenny can get "Real lucky" in season 1 anything's possible.
Honestly if Telltale decided to take their archetypes and use them in new characters for TFS I'd be fine with that, even though they'd be missing out on a golden opportunity to give 400 days even more impact on the main series. Nate's character in particular is one I really want Telltale to delve into. I just find it strange how we're 4 installments in and Telltale has barely touched upon the survivors who embrace the apocalypse as an excuse to take the world even less seriously ( or even better, having done so as a means to cope.) Sure there were characters who might've adopted this mentality but to my recollection they only were used as villains like Randall and Badger with only the wild sociopathic ruthlessness that can stem from such an outlook being presented and we never get a close look at why they had become that way. I really hope we get to see an in depth look at this kind of character in The Final Season whether it be Nate or someone entirely new.
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Just a heads up, personally charged comments like this aren't necessary so let's please try to avoid them. Thanks.
Blind it is all good...dan and I just love to get on each other's case.
I would hope Shell and Becca escaped...I could see a series with them in it.
Getting this topic back on track, I've been thinking about how Shel and Becca would work now if they were reintroduced, especially if Becca meets Clementine now.
We’d basically get another Kenny v Jane relationship.
Yeah, sisters is not a relationship used too often in games/genres like this
Not necessarily. Both of them don't show enough traits to make them counterparts of Kenny or Jane, and a conflict between the two doesn't have to be reminiscent of Kenny and Jane either.
I would like to see Becca and Clementine's character dynamics to be more like Lee and Kenny's rather than Kenny and Jane. They may get into some heated disagreements but still be able to ultimately work together towards a common goal.
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