Clementine
How would you feel if Clementine's personality in season 4 is the same as season 3? Personally I might not buy the game if this is the case. I want the Clementine from season 2 back. The one that was generally liked by most of the characters instead of generally hated. The Clementine who had great people skills. Even if the player played Clementine as a "scumbag" in season 2, I thought she was more witty and amusing, than aggressive and stupid like she was in season 3. The s3 version of Clementine seems like a different person altogether to me.
I hope the fans get their own version of Clementine back again. How do you think Clementine should be? What would you like to see from Clementine in season 4?
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I'm hoping TFS Clementine will actually reflect the choices and things we say, since we'll actually be playing as her. ANF, on the whole, was a mistake.
What's sad about this is that it was a waste of a plot point outside of Conrad's deal and they just stop interacting after that.
Eeh, to each their own. I guess.
You mean "Mini-Jane," as I've seen her called?
...Eh. The whole "My!Clementine" thing just seems like a recipe for a hot mess.
You do realize, even though they initially dropped the ball in every sense, BioWare managed to create a choice driven RPG centered around a character we shaped and formed throughout 3 games. And generally, they kept that character pretty true to the players choices and personalities? This isn't unseen territory, ANF was inexperience and disconnected people trying to make a sequel the majority didn't want lol
Well, Telltale isn't Bioware, now is It?
It shouldn't have been a sequel at all, when all is said and done. A vast majority can at least converge into partially agreeing on that.
I'm not a fan of the whole My Clementine thing either, but the ruining of the character in season 3 and the complete change of personality and no real transition from s2 to s3 is relevant here for me.
I'm not sure if season 3 Clementine is really much like Jane either. Jane is more manipulative, cunning and competent than Clementine
If you're referring to Shepard then oh boy, do I have to disagree. Some things could be ignored in the second game but the third game gutted my non-paragon Shepard. It was going to be damned if my Shepard was going to sound like anything other than a paragon.
I would not use the Mass Effect trilogy as an example of how a character can be kept consistent through several games. In fact, I'd use it as an example of the opposite.
Very, very true.
Strugglin to see that as a good thing or a bad thing.
It shouldn't have been a thing, at all. Come on dabig, even with your boredom of Clem you must acknowledge how followups work, you got your Michonne series that most of us didn't want, we're still waiting for a proper followup lol
The fuck, when in the first game could you say "naw son, I'm with the reapers lolz!"? Why would you even continue after that ending? We know why we continued season 2 with Clementine, why did you even touch the second game, let alone the third, if you weren't on board with what the entirety of the first game had built up? That's fucking stupid, man.
Telltale completely discarded the whole "My Clementine" deal and went from giving Clem her own personality in S1 to allowing the player to mold her personality in S2 heavily promoting and advertising the "#Myclementine" deal only to 100% negate Clementine's uniqueness for a bland generic persona that in honesty was rather detaching.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing that any subsequent appearance by Clementine should've been "Season 3."
My point was that the aptly moniker'd A New Frontier was a glorified spinoff, when you get down to it. One that, while initially having a small, but unusual interesting upside to it, would've been better off leaving Clementime-of-the-month out of it. Heck, maybe even keeping the more acceptable Marinara around instead.
Whether most people enjoyed the Michonne DLC or not(which is pretty inconsistent from what I've been told and later personally experienced), it can at least say it did it's own thing for the most part and did a much better job with it's protagonist, I assume.
Also, it's kinda hard for her to be boring when she was only occasionally present and barely added anything as the installment went on.
Not to mention the completely false advertising of "there are 42 unique Clementine personalities you can have going into s3!". Such utter bullshit, what were they even thinking?
Hotdoggit, NInja'd by the target the moment it was visualized.
I said nothing about the Reapers. You said: "And generally, they kept that character pretty true to the players choices and personalities?"
I disagreed about the latter.
Fair enough, I actually agree with you about the approach they took. As far as boredom, throwing us a new character and saying "here, like before!" Isn't going to draw as many people in as one might expect. Eventually it'll come full circle, man
Well, the circle is complete with "Fair enough" on this end, too.
That is one of the initial reasons why Marianna bugged me, yes.
(That's not a joke, but it is a non sequitur.)
I want to have my caring but “kind of” smart Clementine back again. I’d basically make her into me like I did in season 2, i’d be nice to some characters but if they say a single bad thing about me then I’d instantly act hostile towards them. #MyClementine
That was kinda left on you, the player, since we decided his responses.
No, we did not and that was the problem.
Early on in the trilogy, they provided the player with options to have Shepard say things and act in certain ways. Later on, they either failed to take it into account or "overrode" the personality that they'd let players create.
For example, you could be unfriendly to Liara in the first game and actually threaten her but in the second game, Shepard hugs her without player input as if the two were close friends. That's not staying true to the player's choice and personality.
In Mass Effect 3, there were a slew of problems that could largely be attributed to how auto-dialogue wasn't neutral anymore and wasn't just use for things like "Go on" or "What else?"
3 had a major issue with not letting players choose responses. That irked the hell outta me. I don't remember Shepard hugging Liara when he met he in 2 though. I remember him being shocked, but I really hadn't cared for her in the first game so I was pretty dismissive of her.
You could tell they just based this clem off of the Alone ending so I guess you could say the "cannon" ending in telltale's eyes for season 2 is being Alone.
More or less.
Shepard always hugs Liara in Mass Effect 2. What makes it really annoying is that there's the hug with Tali during her loyalty mission but with her, it's optional and it works so much better because of that.
Now I'm going to have to replay the OT lol. I legit did not care for Liara in the first, and wasn't caught off guard by their interactions in 2.
I don't know how they're going to approach Clementine in S4. I have a feeling they're just going to power on with the Clementine lookalike who absolutely does not resemble the real Clementine's personality in any way.
Forget the loyalty mission, Shepard has been rumoured dead for 2 years and he meets Tali in his first mission in ages and her response is "Oh you're still alive? lol ok" like what??? How are you not in shock/disbelief? How are not happy to see the guy who gave you your first big break, a spectre no less, and who risked his life to save what was left of his crew after an attack? I don't mind Liara hugging you but something similar should have happened with everyone. The fact that no other original member but her seems to give a shit that you're still around is just poor writing.
Ok you're just pulling shit out of your ass, because I really liked Tali, and her initial reaction to Shepard is shock and disbelief that you're still alive. If you helped her during her mission in the first, that reminder makes her more trusting of you.
Literally go watch it. "Oh my god is that you? Ok so anyway my mission here is..." is not a normal reaction to seeing someone who you think has been dead for 2 years. She doesn't bother to contact you or catch up on things or find out how you're still alive or anything after the mission is complete - she just leaves and thats it until half way through the game where you have to actively look for her. I like Tali but the pacing with her character is horrible. You saved the citadel together and yet you both act like acquaintances who met each other once at someones birthday party as opposed to squad mades who saved the galaxy together.
While I understand that had to harden her up for the sake of her surviving the TWD world, that's fine however I really do miss her sassy/jokes from series 2 of TWD. Example when Luke and Clementine were on the bridge and taking out the walkers she comment's that she will take out the big one with easily. That's the personality that I miss the most with clementine. I think from series 3 onwards that we won't see those remarks again sadly for series 4.
Bro the Quarians live on the brink of extinction. Tali always prioritized her people
Tali>Kate. If only I could put that ho down myself smh
I have always thought that A New Frontier should have been 3 Episodes, instead of 5, around about 2 hours and 30 minutes each, with no Clementine in the game. Accept from her appearing as a cameo at the end. See I have a better plan than Telltale did.
Uh, relevance?
The joke was about how the sentence structure made you sound.
Well, if a reddit post I was recently linked to is any indication, the Michonne DLC was originally meant to serve as an origin story for Javier before he meets Clementine in what was gonna be "Season 3."
Whaaa?? Can you send me this post?
It would have been better if they made the DLC an origin story for Javier indeed. We would have been more familiar with him by now and him being the main playable character wouldn't have been much of a thing to worry about(I never worried about that since I was on the small "I want a new main character" team). That's how I feel at least.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWalkingDeadGame/comments/693d15/i_wonder_whats_on_javis_neck/dh47vg6/
In the long term, yeah, it probably would've been.
I honestly didn't care. Granted, we were initially sold on the idea of him being dual-playable characters with Clementine, but ultimately, who is the main character was never really a concern of mine as long as the game/story itself was decent.
Granted, there can and have been arguments about the quality anyway and I wasn't really into the story we got because of Javier(or ANF!Clementine, for that matter), but still.
I wasn't really into the story, either. To me, A New Frontier was just okay - not really bad nor really good. It could have been a lot better if it wasn't for the constant rewrites. The Ties That Bind rewrites included. I honestly liked the teaser trailer story concept..
Thank you for the link!
When I said I wasn't into the story we got, I meant that I wasn't in it FOR either of them.
But yes, it could've been a lot better.
"People change".. as Clementine once said herself. I can understand her new feisty attitude given what she's been through and especially with where she is now in her life with going through puberty in the zombie apocalypse no less to make it even worse. it may be a bit too much so I'd expect her to remain the same except they might lighten her up a bit for season 4 maybe.
Natural for Jane's character and the minimal decade age gap anyhow. Though we have never seen a scene where Clementine has had to try being way. Also I didn't detect much of any stupidity from Clem throughout season 3 besides the Eli incident, only hostility.