Kenny's 'resolution' still baffles me.
He is basically second only to Clementine in terms of the face of Telltale's TWD. He is that integral to her story. What on earth possessed them to write that he gets thrown through a car windscreen, becomes paraplegic and then gets eaten while completely helpless?
I get that they felt they couldn't keep both him and Jane and write them into stories of Season 3 but christ, what a sh*t show that was. It still makes me angry when I think about it. They totally just crapped on him. Why did he have to die that way? He could have gone out actually protecting AJ or Clem on his own two feet. I wonder if Telltale are truly happy with his ending. I am Kenny4ever but his ending is so bad that I do consider going back and shooting him. He deserved to die by my hand than get eaten alive like that.
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Eh, I personally don't see the big deal.
I actually thought that was really clever alternative of what some people seemed to want vs what would actually fit where his character ended up. Second best flashback in general.
He was a determinant character. Usually Telltale just handles them like crap (Nick, Sarah, Jane and so on).
They probably went with the first idea they got, it was something like:
At least he didn't teleport under rubble he fell on top of.
They were clearly trying to move away from Clem's story with the whole A New Frontier thing, and they wrongly assumed that they could just write off all of the s2 endings in 5 minute flashbacks. They should have known better, shame on them.
Lol, such stupid logic. ''I didn't like that he died protecting Clem and AJ, I'll just go back and SHOOT HIM. Yeah, that's the better option, forget going into Wellington and giving him his redemption, shooting him is definitely the way to go.'' Think before you write bro.
It would have been a stupid ending for anyone, especially a long term character. The car crash itself was obviously lame and ridiculous. Just a random flashback scene at a random time with him and Clementine driving a car, making small talk, then suddenly the car crashes and he dies. No storyline, no atmosphere, no decent build up... just garbage all round.
Seeing what ultimately happened to Kenny, i can say that it makes Kenny's death at the end of S2 and presumed death in S1 even more perfect for him. The flashback death sequence was abysmal on a writing and graphic standpoint not to mention a terribly lazy way of riding the story of a character with such extensive history in the franchise.
It felt as lazy as the way they killed off Sarah on the deck.
...Her death didn't show that at all. It was just a random accident. And with Kenny's accident, what did it tell us?
smh. How disappointing. No lessons about family, or nothin.
I'm not pissed about Kenny and Jane getting killed off and Wellington getting overun. I understand that they had to find a way to make all of the endings flow together in a way so Clem could be linked to the third season but the way they handled the endings was so lazy. Kenny and Jane were tossed aside only receiving 10 minutes of screentime. Wellington was tossed aside in 5 minutes. I understand that Telltale isn't as big of a company as some other game companies and thus weren't able to incorporate Jane, Kenny, and Edith into the present day sections but they should have at the very least given us a half hour scene showing what our season 2 ending was like and properly found a way to kill off or put these characters on the bus.
Are you saying she should have ran back to Wellington to give redemption to a major character from both of the first seasons who died after getting thrown through a car windshield because lol brilliant? Or criticizing people who decided to stay with a major character and one of the only survivors from both seasons when the woman manning the gate at Wellington said to come back later when they may be able to take all of them in? You really think the hastily written exits the flashbacks provided to distance themselves from the previous seasons weren't poorly thought out bro? You serial bro??? BRO
Well I mean, suppose Clem dies in Season 4.
She doesnt die sacrificing herself or anything that feels satisfying for her character after 4 seasons, she just gets in a car crash ;( R.I.P. Clem ;(
Basically its stupid and disappointing considering Kenny and Jane Telltale kept talking about how our "endings" would matter, and really got everyone thinking that Kenny and Jane would still be "big" characters. And then they anticlimactically die cuz "whoops" script machine broke
Also disregarding the 2 years of peace and happiness he got while raising AJ if you stay with him, lol.
I know it would have been cheap considering everyone goes missing, but if there were ever characters that should go missing it's Jane and Kenny. Season 2 ending were supposed to matter. Not just Clem has a few different lines and minor scar changes. At least if they went missing hope would be there for a season 4 reunion. On an unrelated note what alone ending do you guys think that telltale made canon because in the trailers for season 3 the "canon" season 2 ending was alone, but who was alive for her alone ending. It could be Jane/Kenny/no one (look away the. Shoot Kenny. Also Probably the one they will choose)
Oh, I've got a different death in mind for her....
But yeah, that would indeed be random and unfitting. Depending on the context and tension, at least.
Eh, to be fair, some of those people kinda set themselves up for disappointment, partly.
He didn't die protecting Clem and AJ. He died from making Clem drive fast and getting thrown out a window becoming disabled from the waist down. I went with the shooting him one because of his conversation about being able to see Katja and Duck again, and that he wanted it. Kenny would not have gone on alone after Clem went into Wellington. He was broken and had lost everyone, letting AJ and Clem go would have been too much, as much as he protested otherwise. So, think before you write, "bro"
Kenny, Jane and Edith's deaths were all lazily done and they friggin' knew that people would be upset considering the countless threads about Kenny and Jane in Season 3 that occurred after Season 2's finale. They should've just kept the group together and they all made their way to Wellington where they found Edith. That way the flashbacks would've had more work done to them and we would be able to see returning characters other than Clementine make appearances.
They just love to make Clementine alone, it seems.
They also seem to love primarily focusing on anyone besides Clementine, if you really look back.
I wouldn't consider it to be true canon. What is canon is what you the player gets in your playthrough
It still 'baffles' me that people are so obsessed with Kenny still, yes he is a good character, but I would personally be getting quite sick of him at this point if he was still around, Kennys existance in season 2 already weakened most of the other characters to the point where they were barely characters at all since Kenny basically stole all the spotlight for no reason.
Kenny had a perfectly good story arc and conclusion in season 1, and then they had to go and bring him back for season 2, if anything it would have made more sense if the one you met at the lodge was Christa
Kenny's importance to Clementine is vastly overblown. They really had no meaningful interactions until the second season...and that was for a week at most. Hell if you think about it...truthfully when she meets Kenny...sure a hug and such...but I would think the main thing that stuck out for Clem is his arguments with Lilly and the fact he was Duck's father. She was with Christa for nearly 2 years, that is Clem's real attachment potential as far as good feelings and learning. Kenny should never have been in S2...I thought he was amazing in S1....he had a real character arc and grew as a human.
If I had been in charge of Writing S2...I would have gone for a better villain that was chasing the group...never giving them much time for rest...then Bekka's death would have been not only tragic...but a driving issue for a final showdown with Carver's group. I could see it ending on a frozen lake...I would have multiple survivors with Clem...who died would be tied directly in with how well you interacted with them....I woulda had the ending be akin to dining on ashes.
Logic's still stupid brudda. All he wanted was to bring Clem an AJ to safety, if he really wanted to die he would have done it himself after his redemption.
No brudda, I'm saying that if he really didn't like the Kenny flashback( which I also don't like that much) he shouldn't automatically think that the best option is to KILL him. Give the man his redemption at Wellington, and if he has a deathwish he will do it himself after having at least done something meaningful with his life. Shoothing him in the Jane fight is just disrespectul if you like the character
Lets read it..
Yeah I was just saying how I could never forgive them for how they handled Kenny in the flashbacks. I couldn't think of a more absurd send off. It is so bad that it does make one regret choosing to stay with Kenny at S2 and make you want to go back in time to shoot him to give him a slightly better send off which is almost as bad as the accident but still better. If there was ever a time for Kenny to get real lucky it should be in New Frontier.
I'll have to dig it up.->
EDIT: Found it!
On that, I completely agree.
I think most people's issues with Kenny and Jane's death is more than just "THey KilLEd KEnNy WhAT THe FUC!?!?!?!?"
Kenny and Jane looked like shit, it looked like 0 effort was put into their models, so after seeing them die it showed that these flashbacks were rushed as fast as possible to explain what happened to them and why they arnt in season 3.
There was sooooo many threads basically begging Telltale to not predictably kill Kenny and Jane 5 mins after they appear, and its almost like something got lost in translation and Telltale thought everyone wanted Kenny and Jane to predictably die the first 5 mins they appear. It felt like an insult that Telltale just didnt care about what fans wanted. Not to mention all the lies before release saying how "important" our endings would be and all the different Clems that all turned out to be blatant lies.
Also its just how they die. So fucking underwhelming. I can kinda understand killing Edith seeing she wasnt really a character, but the problem with Wellington ending is Season 2 builds it up and we never even see the inside of Wellington, we just see a single room. We have no idea what they were like, not to mention how fucking huge they were just for them to be overrun by like 6 people? Anyway, Kenny and Jane die in dumb ways. I guess you can argue Jane's death is "in character" but its just lazy as hell writing. She could have had such a more interesting arch in Season 3 with her learning how to be with people again as well as dealing with being pregnant. But no she just kills herself. In fact is kinda nullifies her whole purpose in Season 2 with the Kenny Vs Jane fight. All that she did "for Clem" just for her to kill herself like 2 weeks later. Then Kenny just goes "Ight boios we bouta blast outta this windshield." Its just cheap and a terrible way to send off these characters.
Its pretty obvious why all these endings happened this way though. Kenny and Jane are not killed by anyone, Jane kills herself and Kenny dies in an accident. Clem looses her finger to a car door, not a person, and Wellington which wasnt developed at all just falls. Kenny, Jane, and alone ending all have it so they die/lose finger without some antagonist doing it because that would start another story about us hating whoever killed that person. And this is my biggest issue. They didnt have them die to the hands of another person because they would need to incorporate that plot into the story, so they made it so no one is responsible for the deaths so they could shoe horn Clem into the game. If Kenny and Jane HAD to die why not make the New Frontier kill them? You know, so we can actually hate the antagonist of this fucking game? Maybe it would have made the New Frontier a somewhat decent antagonist group instead of some bland garbage.
Oh yeah I remember that, I did read that one already. I'm thinking you had a newer idea.
There's a joke I wanna make here, but that might risk breaking a rule.
Take a gamble.
Take a gamble.
I do hope Kenny will get a better send off of they decide to bring him back if he separates from you at Wellington.
If this is supposed to be directed at me, then...
"--Unlike Telltale!"
They might surprise everyone with the final season. I really want it to be on par with season one. Then you'll have the bookends of series as the strongest so to speak.
Hmph. We'll see.
Or ya'll see. Either way, somebody's gonna see it.
That mean you sitting the fourth game out? Or just until you hear news about the first ep. release?
Yes.
All of this would have been avoided if they would have just left out all the Clementine flashbacks altogether. Like have her explain everything important that happened in them. Then at least we could form what happened in our own heads.