I didn't recall much funny dialogue from Randall, though he did have his moments I suppose. Most I remember about him is his remarks about b… moreashing kids heads in and his his speech about how the world is before determinantly getting his head caved in by Michonne. He was a pretty decent villain, much better than the ones in A New Frontier at any rate.
tfw you're nothing but nice to the group but the loud aggressive guy who argues with practically every member of your group is the one the f… moreanbase winds up preferring
In all seriousness, though - and by that, I mean I won't meme too much and I'll try to remain objective, even though I love Luke as a character - being a little bit upset that someone you want to be your friend sitting with someone you don't know from Adam is probably gonna elicit the puppy eyes from anyone. I'd be a bit hurt. I'd be confused, and also a little miffed, if said stranger then said your new friend wanted to stay with him over you.
I get that everyone is entitled to their opinions - in fact, it's the thing I find myself praising the most about these games, the fact they encourage such diverse opinions - but the issue I do have is that some opinions get ... fanatical. And debate then becomes impossible, because then you enter 'Parable of the Invisible Garde… [view original content]
Randall:"You, we'll start with you. What's your name?" Michonne:"Fuck you." Randall:"Is that spelled with an F or a Ph?"
"I guess being a pain in the ass runs in the family..."
Pete:So how are we playing this? Randall:Yeah, Michonne! How are we playing this?
Zachary:I know what I'm doing. Randall:(Naw, he really doesn't.)
"Son of a fuckin' gun..."
Michonne:Don't make this harder than it needs to be. Randall:Now why would I do a thing like that?
"You just gonna stare at me to death?"
Norma:Randall! You okay? Randall:I'm fine... but Michonne here's mighty upset. She wants me to call you off. Norma:What? Randall:Yeah, I know. So you probably SHOULDN'T come to a house, southwest of the tower, set me free and kill everyone here. Probably.
Michonne:You stupid fuck! I was trusting you! Randall:Who's the stupid fuck now? That's one of them rhetorical questions, by the way.
Michonne:I'm not letting you hurt anyone. Randall:Well, not until Norma gets here, and I skip bare-ass free out the front gate.
"Norma's stormin' now!"
[in response to Sam threatening to kill him] "Fuckin' A. A girl after my own heart!"
"Well, ain't I the belle of the ball!"
"I'm a guest in this house. Where are your manners?"
Norma:"He better not be hurt too bad" Michonne:"He's doing just fine." Randall:"Oh-fuckin'-really?"
I didn't recall much funny dialogue from Randall, though he did have his moments I suppose. Most I remember about him is his remarks about b… moreashing kids heads in and his his speech about how the world is before determinantly getting his head caved in by Michonne. He was a pretty decent villain, much better than the ones in A New Frontier at any rate.
I didn't recall much funny dialogue from Randall
Randall: "You, we'll start with you. What's your name?"
Michonne: "Fuck you."
Ran… moredall: "Is that spelled with an F or a Ph?"
"I guess being a pain in the ass runs in the family..."
Pete: So how are we playing this?
Randall: Yeah, Michonne! How are we playing this?
Zachary: I know what I'm doing.
Randall: (Naw, he really doesn't.)
"Son of a fuckin' gun..."
Michonne: Don't make this harder than it needs to be.
Randall: Now why would I do a thing like that?
"You just gonna stare at me to death?"
Norma: Randall! You okay?
Randall: I'm fine... but Michonne here's mighty upset. She wants me to call you off.
Norma: What?
Randall: Yeah, I know. So you probably SHOULDN'T come to a house, southwest of the tower, set me free and kill everyone here. Probably.
Michonne: You stupid fuck! I was trusting you!
Randall: Who's the stupid fuck now? That's one of them rhetori… [view original content]
Eh, I was under the impression it could be both. There were people claiming he was secretly an glory houne who just wanted sex from Clementine, Sarah, and/or Jane, after all.
tfw you're nothing but nice to the group but the loud aggressive guy who argues with practically every member of your group is the one the f… moreanbase winds up preferring
In all seriousness, though - and by that, I mean I won't meme too much and I'll try to remain objective, even though I love Luke as a character - being a little bit upset that someone you want to be your friend sitting with someone you don't know from Adam is probably gonna elicit the puppy eyes from anyone. I'd be a bit hurt. I'd be confused, and also a little miffed, if said stranger then said your new friend wanted to stay with him over you.
I get that everyone is entitled to their opinions - in fact, it's the thing I find myself praising the most about these games, the fact they encourage such diverse opinions - but the issue I do have is that some opinions get ... fanatical. And debate then becomes impossible, because then you enter 'Parable of the Invisible Garde… [view original content]
That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit here. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem. Luke is the leader. He should have the final say in what happens. He also didn't bother to look for the dog which if he did would've proved or shown Clem was telling the truth. And bringing a kid he just met, was a douche towards, did nothing to prevent that from being locked in a shed and didn't bother to go look for the dog that the kid said that bit her to a possibly dangerous area is stupid, irresponsible, dangerous, and something a supposed leader wouldn't do or just anyone with a working brain. The chance that he could get in trouble is another reason why bringing a kid with him was a dumb idea. He told Clem nothing about the dangers the group was in. The dangers luke knew himself and the group was in. He said nothing about the kind of person carver was. Yet he wanted Clem to travel with the group who was in danger and being followed by a mad man. It doesn't matter if she was planning to leave or not. He had an obligation to let her know that if she changed her mind she would be following a group that was in trouble. His reaction wasn't understandable. It was pathetic, childish and he had no reason to concern himself in matters he didn't belong in. Not to mention that Clem would've been safer with Kenny. Someone she's known for some time, longer than she's known luke, trusts, and has a reason to trust. Luke wasn't smart or sensible enough to realize that. Luke wasn't decent enough. He was a childish, douche of a brat who didn't know how to lead and let his urges get the best of him at a crucial time.
Did anyone else think it was stupid, dumb, made no sense, cringe or all of the above? When Pete said I know I sure ain't willing to leave a … morekid out here when we have a doctor that can take a look at her. It made me realize even more what a scumbag Luke was. The guy drops Clem and she falls on her injured arm.
Luke drops Clementine out of fear that she was bitten, he was panicking, as we've seen before in The Walking Dead, people can be irrational in emotional stress.
He locks her in a shed. He forces you to go with him to the bridge when it could've been and turned out to be dangerous.
You can't single handedly blame Luke for locking Clementine in the shed, the whole group decided this (bar Sarah).
Clementine is living in a world full of walking corpses that will devour her at sight, I think it's a little too late to be worrying about it being dangerous, she's already been on her own and with just one person for over a … [view original content]
That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit here. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem.
Yes, it does. He's carrying a stranger who is evidently groggy and has a bite on her arm. How often do people in the apocalypse get bit by dogs? So of course people are going to automatically assume it was a walker bite, because people everywhere are getting bit and claiming it's nothing. Being in emotional distress means everything in situations, if you hadn't noticed, emotions are a bit difficult to control, which is why people have emotional reactions, in this case, Luke is evidently in a state of panic, not just because Clementine has a bite that they presume is from a walker, but also due to a recent event where they let a bite victim into their home and it ended in the loss of Nick's mother, not to mention Carver hunting them down and fear of Clementine being a spy. At the end of the day, they had no obligation to take care of Clementine, just because she's a kid doesn't give her a free pass in the apocalypse.
Luke is the leader. He should have the final say in what happens. He also didn't bother to look for the dog which if he did would've proved or shown Clem was telling the truth. And bringing a kid he just met, was a douche towards, did nothing to prevent that from being locked in a shed and didn't bother to go look for the dog that the kid said that bit her to a possibly dangerous area is stupid, irresponsible, dangerous, and something a supposed leader wouldn't do or just anyone with a working brain.
Luke is who the group looks up to as the leader figure but he is never shown to lead the group in a significant way (the only time he was shown to lead was the bridge scene). He also isn't a dictator like Kenny, he can't just tell his group how he wants it done and expect them follow suit. At the end of the day, the group as a whole decided that it was safer for them if Clementine was locked in the shed, so that if she did turn, their loved ones would be out of harm's way.
Why would he look for the dog when night was drawing near? Plus, they literally escaped a herd of walkers from the direction Clem came from. Could they have done so? Yes, but why would they risk their lives to confirm that Clem's bite was a walker's or dog's when they have a doctor who could decide for them?
But if you want to talk about leadership and responsibility, Luke did the best for his group. Clementine is a complete stranger, in any situation, a leader would do what is best for his own group over a new face that could be potentially dangerous.
The chance that he could get in trouble is another reason why bringing a kid with him was a dumb idea. He told Clem nothing about the dangers the group was in. The dangers luke knew himself and the group was in. He said nothing about the kind of person carver was. Yet he wanted Clem to travel with the group who was in danger and being followed by a mad man. It doesn't matter if she was planning to leave or not. He had an obligation to let her know that if she changed her mind she would be following a group that was in trouble.
Again, I'll easily sum up what happened here: Plot. This may be a choice based game but it still needs to tell a story and in order to do that, the plot has to be linear and can't change much. Plus, again, Luke never forced Clementine into sticking with the group, Clementine made that conscious decision on her own as an established character. Also, considering their reactions to Carver's appearance at the house, they mostly seemed shocked and worried, even the dialogue indicates that they had not expected him to have found them or even still be searching for them, so there's that along with various other factors: Clementine planning to leave soon making it a bit pointless to notify her, or being a child, the group may have wanted to assure her not to worry.
It doesn't matter if Luke told Clementine that she could stay, Clementine made her own decision to stay.
His reaction wasn't understandable. It was pathetic, childish and he had no reason to concern himself in matters he didn't belong in. Not to mention that Clem would've been safer with Kenny. Someone she's known for some time, longer than she's known luke, trusts, and has a reason to trust. Luke wasn't smart or sensible enough to realize that. Luke wasn't decent enough. He was a childish, douche of a brat who didn't know how to lead and let his urges get the best of him at a crucial time.
So would you say the same about Kenny's reaction? Considering Luke saved this child's life, advocated for her safety but ultimately did what the group as a whole wanted, then gave her food, let her stay in their house and bonded with her, it's not unlikely that he would be disappointed that she chose to sit with someone else. It's like when you meet a new person that you quickly grow fond of, but you feel sad when they end up spending their time with their old friends over you, it is rather irrational but understandable, because these are emotions and we are humans.
How in the world could Clementine have been safer with Kenny? Who obviously has anger issues and a totalitarian attitude, heck, if you sit with him he doesn't even ask if Clementine wants to stay with him, he outright tells her she's staying and the cabin group will leave in the morning and you say that Luke doesn't give Clem a choice?
I'm sorry but how much did Clementine and Kenny even just talk to each other in Season 1? About 3 times, off the top of my head I remember: their introduction to each other where Kenny gives her a bit of a fright and then there's that time where Kenny gives her an angry look and tells her to get into the train cart after she expresses worry over Duck. The relationship between Kenny and Clementine is almost nonexistant and they automatically care about each other like they were always best friends? Yeah, that's a relationship more forced than Clementine sticking to the plot.
You're literally blaming Luke for feeling (something humans always do, regardless of intent), looking out for his safety and his group's and for the plot of Season Two and you still fail to prove how those qualities are any part of his character.
That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit her… moree. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem. Luke is the leader. He should have the final say in what happens. He also didn't bother to look for the dog which if he did would've proved or shown Clem was telling the truth. And bringing a kid he just met, was a douche towards, did nothing to prevent that from being locked in a shed and didn't bother to go look for the dog that the kid said … [view original content]
Yes she had a bite on her arm but she wasn't pale like lee or any person who's been effected for a decent amount of time. He didn't have to drop her. He also didn't apologize later for it either. Neither did he apologize for bringing her on the bridge that had walkers on it. He also didn't apologize for giving her a difficult time after he dropped her. And unlike pete he wanted to leave her there even though they had a doctor to look at the bite. How can he not be the leader when people look up to him to lead? he could've said he'd look for the dog in the morning but he didn't. He moments after being a douche runs out and asks if clem's okay. Then he says what's wrong with you people? can't you see she's just scared? and then he says to nick well nick can you blame her? he didn't show any concern for her when she was bit but moments later he's being nice to her. He didn't have to bring her inside the house she just needed help. She didn't have to go in the house to get it. How could a child who couldn't even stand on her own and was badly injured be a threat to multiple adults who have guns? luke didn't know her for that long and considering he left her in a shack when she was injured and needed help, and didn't say he'd go look for the dog in the morning that she said bit her and that luke got on her case about for killing after she said it attacked her and not believing her feeding her and letting her stay the night was the least he could do. Pete was the one willing to let carlos look at clem while luke wanted to leave her. Clem has known kenny for way longer and has been through a lot with him. Kenny was basically family. Luke was just a guy she knew for a little while. Clem's relationship with luke was forced. Clem's relationship with kenny wasn't.
That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit her… moree. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem.
Yes, it does. He's carrying a stranger who is evidently groggy and has a bite on her arm. How often do people in the apocalypse get bit by dogs? So of course people are going to automatically assume it was a walker bite, because people everywhere are getting bit and claiming it's nothing. Being in emotional distress means everything in situations, if you hadn't noticed, emotions are a bit difficult to control, which is why people have emotional reactions, in this case, Luke is evidently in a state of panic, not just because Clementine has a bite that they presume is from a … [view original content]
I should give that Miniseries another watch some time. And/or maybe even a play-- _after _ Batman Season 1, of course.
@prink34320 Wouldn't it make more sense for the trope to be called 'Tainted Hero' or something? Ron the Death Eater made me think fanfiction, like someone wrote Luke as an antagonistic character in a popular fanfic lol
Eh, I was under the impression it could be both. There were people claiming he was secretly an glory houne who just wanted sex from Clementine, Sarah, and/or Jane, after all.
@prink34320 Sometimes I'm bewildered and terrified about the on-goings of a person's mind.
I didn't recall much funny dialogue from Randall
Randall: "You, we'll start with you. What's your name?"
Michonne: "Fuck you."
Ran… moredall: "Is that spelled with an F or a Ph?"
"I guess being a pain in the ass runs in the family..."
Pete: So how are we playing this?
Randall: Yeah, Michonne! How are we playing this?
Zachary: I know what I'm doing.
Randall: (Naw, he really doesn't.)
"Son of a fuckin' gun..."
Michonne: Don't make this harder than it needs to be.
Randall: Now why would I do a thing like that?
"You just gonna stare at me to death?"
Norma: Randall! You okay?
Randall: I'm fine... but Michonne here's mighty upset. She wants me to call you off.
Norma: What?
Randall: Yeah, I know. So you probably SHOULDN'T come to a house, southwest of the tower, set me free and kill everyone here. Probably.
Michonne: You stupid fuck! I was trusting you!
Randall: Who's the stupid fuck now? That's one of them rhetori… [view original content]
Luke wasn't perfect but overall he was a stand up guy. I hope we get some Luke references in the Final Season. Lee, Kenny, and Jane always seem to hog the spotlight when it comes to references.
Luke wasn't perfect but overall he was a stand up guy. I hope we get some Luke references in the Final Season. Lee, Kenny, and Jane always seem to hog the spotlight when it comes to references.
As you know, there are a few specific instances in which Clementine will say something dependent on whether she ultimately ended up at Wellington, with Kenny, with Jane, or Alone.
However, if you selected Luke as a survivor she met instead of Kenny or Jane in the Story Generator, she has special lines that take priority over where she actually ended up at the end of Season 2.
As you know, there are a few specific instances in which Clementine will say something dependent on whether she ultimately ended up at Welli… morengton, with Kenny, with Jane, or Alone.
However, if you selected Luke as a survivor she met instead of Kenny or Jane in the Story Generator, she has special lines that take priority over where she actually ended up at the end of Season 2.
I realized a simple problem in A House Divided.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking.
Plenty of time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
But guess what? We don't get a scene like that. Where they really formally "let her in". It just cuts to them being all buddy-buddy.
You get rebecca's random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
We finally got a "sittin around a campfire" scene in episode 5, and it was good but it was a bit too late.
As you know, there are a few specific instances in which Clementine will say something dependent on whether she ultimately ended up at Welli… morengton, with Kenny, with Jane, or Alone.
However, if you selected Luke as a survivor she met instead of Kenny or Jane in the Story Generator, she has special lines that take priority over where she actually ended up at the end of Season 2.
How did the fans figure it out? Or how did Telltale decide to make that a thing?
I figured it out because I chose to try and help Luke and (annoyingly) all my awesome Kenny lines were replaced.
You get rebecca’s random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for crying out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking. Plenty of time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In all honesty it's better than the season 1 episode 2 time gap where there is suddenly a new character introduced off screen only to be killed off moments later.
I realized a simple problem in A House Divided.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking.
Plenty of… more time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
But guess what? We don't get a scene like that. Where they really formally "let her in". It just cuts to them being all buddy-buddy.
You get rebecca's random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
We finally got a "sittin around a campfire" scene in episode 5, and it was good but it was a bit too late.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for crying out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
It was still poorly written. No mention of the threats between them, and nobody seems to mention that clem obviously wasn't at the camp with them. What, do they think Carver miraculously stumbled onto a new child recruit and then sent that kid to spy for them after barely getting to know her? That's ridiculous.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In all honesty it's better than the season 1 episode 2 time gap where there is suddenly a new character introduced off screen only to be killed off moments later.
Because they still elaborated on what was happening between then, albeit awkwardly.
And you already got to know most of the characters in episode 1 through, guess what, dialogue hubs.
Only new guy is Mark, but he does not get killed off moments later, he's in like 40-50 percent of the episode and pretty much acts like Lee's sidekick.
You get rebecca’s random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for cry… moreing out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking. Plenty of time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In all hone… [view original content]
How did the fans figure it out? Or how did Telltale decide to make that a thing?
I figured it out because I chose to try and help Luke and (annoyingly) all my awesome Kenny lines were replaced.
at the time thought that the nice guy thing was just an act and he was really a villain because of how nice the writers made him.
Yes i remember theories being thrown around that Luke was Carver’s son. The scene in episode 3 just before Carver is shot in the legs, he says “this is none of your business Luke” and the way he said it sounded like it was more like he didn’t want him involved but in a caring way if you get me? I found it hard to believe but interesting all the same
Luke wanted a friend in Clementine. The sad face or whatever when she sits with Kenny is him realising that she is under new leadership and … morethat he might no longer be her closest friend in the group. The bridge thing - yeah it wasn't really necessary for Clementine to go with him but he asked her to because he enjoyed her company. A lot of people (myself included) at the time thought that the nice guy thing was just an act and he was really a villain because of how nice the writers made him.
If he doesn’t like Luke that’s up to him, he has his reasons to think Luke is a shitty guy. I disagree with him on some things but I don’t like Luke either.
Did anyone else think it was stupid, dumb, made no sense, cringe or all of the above? When Pete said I know I sure ain't willing to leave a … morekid out here when we have a doctor that can take a look at her. It made me realize even more what a scumbag Luke was. The guy drops Clem and she falls on her injured arm.
Luke drops Clementine out of fear that she was bitten, he was panicking, as we've seen before in The Walking Dead, people can be irrational in emotional stress.
He locks her in a shed. He forces you to go with him to the bridge when it could've been and turned out to be dangerous.
You can't single handedly blame Luke for locking Clementine in the shed, the whole group decided this (bar Sarah).
Clementine is living in a world full of walking corpses that will devour her at sight, I think it's a little too late to be worrying about it being dangerous, she's already been on her own and with just one person for over a … [view original content]
This is the problem i have with so many people. Any character that is nice gets a pass and are deemed good people but yet because someone like Kenny isn’t it means that he should be hated. If you ask me, the nicest people are the ones not to be trusted. Everyone has two sides, at least Kenny shows his honest side on both parts. Luke only shows his shitty side on a few occasions. But yeah it annoys me that “nice” people get a pass as you said
Luke is honestly such a useless piece of shit. He also wanted to immediately lie about what happened to Matthew when we discovered the truth… more, despite them being very gracious and trusting hosts to us thus far. Plus the dog incident, plus the bridge fiasco, plus running away when Carver attacked, plus getting caught stealing good and getting Kenny beaten up, plus wanting to leave Kenny behind, plus the Jane fiasco, plus the Arvo fiasco.... fuck Luke. He fucked everything up but gets a pass because he's nice.
I realized a simple problem in A House Divided.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking.
Plenty of… more time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
But guess what? We don't get a scene like that. Where they really formally "let her in". It just cuts to them being all buddy-buddy.
You get rebecca's random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
We finally got a "sittin around a campfire" scene in episode 5, and it was good but it was a bit too late.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for crying out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
Yeah, I get that, more than most tend to even.
It's just that the way it's done is such a shift from her portrayal in most of Episode 1, where she determinately tries to just shoot Clementine to get it over with and then reinforces that she believes she's not on the up n' up and that she refuses to let her guard down. Not to mention that she never falls back into her original mindset afterwards, which is not only over-convenient, but also less realistic.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them.
Broadly speaking, timeskips are perfect fodder for headcanon, fanfics, and even official expansions/retcons. So while they can be a bit sucky in the short term, there's always room for exploration in the long term.
You get rebecca’s random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for cry… moreing out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking. Plenty of time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In all hone… [view original content]
It was still poorly written. No mention of the threats between them,
That too.
What, do they think Carver miraculously stumbled onto a new child recruit and then sent that kid to spy for them after barely getting to know her? That's ridiculous.
They were clearly intending for Carver(along with Carlos and Luke, to an extent) to be much craftier than he ultimately came off, so it's possible. Add in Alvin and Rebecca's close relationships with him and it makes a little more sense than you might think.
Carlos at least had the objective foresight to realize that letting Clementine out on her own would be dangerous regardless of allegiance and her supposed capabilities.
Because they still elaborated on what was happening between then, albeit awkwardly.
And you already got to know most of the characters in episode 1 through, guess what, dialogue hubs.
Only new guy is Mark, but he does not get killed off moments later, he's in like 40-50 percent of the episode and pretty much acts like Lee's sidekick.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for crying out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones f… morerom her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
It was still poorly written. No mention of the threats between them, and nobody seems to mention that clem obviously wasn't at the camp with them. What, do they think Carver miraculously stumbled onto a new child recruit and then sent that kid to spy for them after barely getting to know her? That's ridiculous.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In a… [view original content]
I recall someone mentioning it and I can't help but think that would've been a bit much.
The vibe I got was that Luke may have actually been Carver's partner/protege initially, but his reactions to Carver's increasingly authoritativeness gradually broke that connection up. Add in how egotistical/pretentious Carver is in present day and his tone seemed more dismissive of Luke's actual [former] authority.
at the time thought that the nice guy thing was just an act and he was really a villain because of how nice the writers made him.
Ye… mores i remember theories being thrown around that Luke was Carver’s son. The scene in episode 3 just before Carver is shot in the legs, he says “this is none of your business Luke” and the way he said it sounded like it was more like he didn’t want him involved but in a caring way if you get me? I found it hard to believe but interesting all the same
If he doesn’t like Luke that’s up to him, he has his reasons to think Luke is a shitty guy. I disagree with him on some things but I don’t like Luke either.
Err? Was this back in 2013? If so then how was i to know how the game would have gone. I dont remember ever saying that. If you can send me a link thanks?
I disagree with him on some things but I don’t like Luke either.
Which is funny cause I came across a post where you actually seemed to be looking forward to his relationship with Clementine.
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Okay, admittedly, memorable was the word I should've used. I just thinking about his hub lines when I typed that.
TLDR. Will do so later. :P
He looks like a sad puppy dog
Randall: "You, we'll start with you. What's your name?"
Michonne: "Fuck you."
Randall: "Is that spelled with an F or a Ph?"
"I guess being a pain in the ass runs in the family..."
Pete: So how are we playing this?
Randall: Yeah, Michonne! How are we playing this?
Zachary: I know what I'm doing.
Randall: (Naw, he really doesn't.)
"Son of a fuckin' gun..."
Michonne: Don't make this harder than it needs to be.
Randall: Now why would I do a thing like that?
"You just gonna stare at me to death?"
Norma: Randall! You okay?
Randall: I'm fine... but Michonne here's mighty upset. She wants me to call you off.
Norma: What?
Randall: Yeah, I know. So you probably SHOULDN'T come to a house, southwest of the tower, set me free and kill everyone here. Probably.
Michonne: You stupid fuck! I was trusting you!
Randall: Who's the stupid fuck now? That's one of them rhetorical questions, by the way.
Michonne: I'm not letting you hurt anyone.
Randall: Well, not until Norma gets here, and I skip bare-ass free out the front gate.
"Norma's stormin' now!"
[in response to Sam threatening to kill him] "Fuckin' A. A girl after my own heart!"
"Well, ain't I the belle of the ball!"
"I'm a guest in this house. Where are your manners?"
Norma: "He better not be hurt too bad"
Michonne: "He's doing just fine."
Randall: "Oh-fuckin'-really?"
Pete: "Michonne, pick up. It's Pete."
Randall: Awww, your buddy misses you. Cute.
"You know, my hands hurt a little bit. You got any ointment lyin' around?"
"When Norma gets here, she'll bust down that little gate of yours, and tune you up good. Just march on in... majestic as fuck!"
"I'd rather eat shit out of a dead dog's ass."
Sometimes I'm bewildered and terrified about the on-goings of a person's mind.
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That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit here. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem. Luke is the leader. He should have the final say in what happens. He also didn't bother to look for the dog which if he did would've proved or shown Clem was telling the truth. And bringing a kid he just met, was a douche towards, did nothing to prevent that from being locked in a shed and didn't bother to go look for the dog that the kid said that bit her to a possibly dangerous area is stupid, irresponsible, dangerous, and something a supposed leader wouldn't do or just anyone with a working brain. The chance that he could get in trouble is another reason why bringing a kid with him was a dumb idea. He told Clem nothing about the dangers the group was in. The dangers luke knew himself and the group was in. He said nothing about the kind of person carver was. Yet he wanted Clem to travel with the group who was in danger and being followed by a mad man. It doesn't matter if she was planning to leave or not. He had an obligation to let her know that if she changed her mind she would be following a group that was in trouble. His reaction wasn't understandable. It was pathetic, childish and he had no reason to concern himself in matters he didn't belong in. Not to mention that Clem would've been safer with Kenny. Someone she's known for some time, longer than she's known luke, trusts, and has a reason to trust. Luke wasn't smart or sensible enough to realize that. Luke wasn't decent enough. He was a childish, douche of a brat who didn't know how to lead and let his urges get the best of him at a crucial time.
Yes, it does. He's carrying a stranger who is evidently groggy and has a bite on her arm. How often do people in the apocalypse get bit by dogs? So of course people are going to automatically assume it was a walker bite, because people everywhere are getting bit and claiming it's nothing. Being in emotional distress means everything in situations, if you hadn't noticed, emotions are a bit difficult to control, which is why people have emotional reactions, in this case, Luke is evidently in a state of panic, not just because Clementine has a bite that they presume is from a walker, but also due to a recent event where they let a bite victim into their home and it ended in the loss of Nick's mother, not to mention Carver hunting them down and fear of Clementine being a spy. At the end of the day, they had no obligation to take care of Clementine, just because she's a kid doesn't give her a free pass in the apocalypse.
Luke is who the group looks up to as the leader figure but he is never shown to lead the group in a significant way (the only time he was shown to lead was the bridge scene). He also isn't a dictator like Kenny, he can't just tell his group how he wants it done and expect them follow suit. At the end of the day, the group as a whole decided that it was safer for them if Clementine was locked in the shed, so that if she did turn, their loved ones would be out of harm's way.
Why would he look for the dog when night was drawing near? Plus, they literally escaped a herd of walkers from the direction Clem came from. Could they have done so? Yes, but why would they risk their lives to confirm that Clem's bite was a walker's or dog's when they have a doctor who could decide for them?
But if you want to talk about leadership and responsibility, Luke did the best for his group. Clementine is a complete stranger, in any situation, a leader would do what is best for his own group over a new face that could be potentially dangerous.
Again, I'll easily sum up what happened here: Plot. This may be a choice based game but it still needs to tell a story and in order to do that, the plot has to be linear and can't change much. Plus, again, Luke never forced Clementine into sticking with the group, Clementine made that conscious decision on her own as an established character. Also, considering their reactions to Carver's appearance at the house, they mostly seemed shocked and worried, even the dialogue indicates that they had not expected him to have found them or even still be searching for them, so there's that along with various other factors: Clementine planning to leave soon making it a bit pointless to notify her, or being a child, the group may have wanted to assure her not to worry.
It doesn't matter if Luke told Clementine that she could stay, Clementine made her own decision to stay.
So would you say the same about Kenny's reaction? Considering Luke saved this child's life, advocated for her safety but ultimately did what the group as a whole wanted, then gave her food, let her stay in their house and bonded with her, it's not unlikely that he would be disappointed that she chose to sit with someone else. It's like when you meet a new person that you quickly grow fond of, but you feel sad when they end up spending their time with their old friends over you, it is rather irrational but understandable, because these are emotions and we are humans.
How in the world could Clementine have been safer with Kenny? Who obviously has anger issues and a totalitarian attitude, heck, if you sit with him he doesn't even ask if Clementine wants to stay with him, he outright tells her she's staying and the cabin group will leave in the morning and you say that Luke doesn't give Clem a choice?
I'm sorry but how much did Clementine and Kenny even just talk to each other in Season 1? About 3 times, off the top of my head I remember: their introduction to each other where Kenny gives her a bit of a fright and then there's that time where Kenny gives her an angry look and tells her to get into the train cart after she expresses worry over Duck. The relationship between Kenny and Clementine is almost nonexistant and they automatically care about each other like they were always best friends? Yeah, that's a relationship more forced than Clementine sticking to the plot.
You're literally blaming Luke for feeling (something humans always do, regardless of intent), looking out for his safety and his group's and for the plot of Season Two and you still fail to prove how those qualities are any part of his character.
Yes she had a bite on her arm but she wasn't pale like lee or any person who's been effected for a decent amount of time. He didn't have to drop her. He also didn't apologize later for it either. Neither did he apologize for bringing her on the bridge that had walkers on it. He also didn't apologize for giving her a difficult time after he dropped her. And unlike pete he wanted to leave her there even though they had a doctor to look at the bite. How can he not be the leader when people look up to him to lead? he could've said he'd look for the dog in the morning but he didn't. He moments after being a douche runs out and asks if clem's okay. Then he says what's wrong with you people? can't you see she's just scared? and then he says to nick well nick can you blame her? he didn't show any concern for her when she was bit but moments later he's being nice to her. He didn't have to bring her inside the house she just needed help. She didn't have to go in the house to get it. How could a child who couldn't even stand on her own and was badly injured be a threat to multiple adults who have guns? luke didn't know her for that long and considering he left her in a shack when she was injured and needed help, and didn't say he'd go look for the dog in the morning that she said bit her and that luke got on her case about for killing after she said it attacked her and not believing her feeding her and letting her stay the night was the least he could do. Pete was the one willing to let carlos look at clem while luke wanted to leave her. Clem has known kenny for way longer and has been through a lot with him. Kenny was basically family. Luke was just a guy she knew for a little while. Clem's relationship with luke was forced. Clem's relationship with kenny wasn't.
I should give that Miniseries another watch some time. And/or maybe even a play-- _after _ Batman Season 1, of course.
Dem old tangents, tho.
Luke wasn't perfect but overall he was a stand up guy. I hope we get some Luke references in the Final Season. Lee, Kenny, and Jane always seem to hog the spotlight when it comes to references.
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Btw, while we're building off your comment, do you know about the Luke influences in A New Frontier?
In not entirely sure if what you are talking about. Care to enlighten me?
As you know, there are a few specific instances in which Clementine will say something dependent on whether she ultimately ended up at Wellington, with Kenny, with Jane, or Alone.
However, if you selected Luke as a survivor she met instead of Kenny or Jane in the Story Generator, she has special lines that take priority over where she actually ended up at the end of Season 2.
Can you think of any specific examples?
I'll have to track down the post in the Details thread cause I don't really remember.
EDIT: Here they are.
Thanks!
I realized a simple problem in A House Divided.
There's like a 5 day gap where Clem and the cabin group are on the road walking.
Plenty of time for them to bond, they'll be camping together after all. That would make some of the later interactions less forced and awkward.
But guess what? We don't get a scene like that. Where they really formally "let her in". It just cuts to them being all buddy-buddy.
You get rebecca's random mood swing and suddenly she's friendly to Clem.
We finally got a "sittin around a campfire" scene in episode 5, and it was good but it was a bit too late.
It's not up to whether you selected Luke in the story generator. The lines always change if Clementine tried helping Luke instead of covering him.
How did they figure that?
How did the fans figure it out? Or how did Telltale decide to make that a thing?
I figured it out because I chose to try and help Luke and (annoyingly) all my awesome Kenny lines were replaced.
Rebecca's mood swing wasn't random she was pregnant for crying out loud. Rebecca's initial suspicion of Clem was a combination of hormones from her pregnancy as well as paranoia from the previous events with Carver. Sending a "helpless" child to spy on the cabin group is exactly the kind of thing Carver would do. In episode 2 when Rebecca is suddenly nice to Clem she has realized that she was wrong to have been so harsh and suspicious of Clementine and is attempting to make up for how she had previously treated her.
You know, there are so many more time skips in season 1 but I never see people complaining about them. In all honesty it's better than the season 1 episode 2 time gap where there is suddenly a new character introduced off screen only to be killed off moments later.
It was still poorly written. No mention of the threats between them, and nobody seems to mention that clem obviously wasn't at the camp with them. What, do they think Carver miraculously stumbled onto a new child recruit and then sent that kid to spy for them after barely getting to know her? That's ridiculous.
Because they still elaborated on what was happening between then, albeit awkwardly.
And you already got to know most of the characters in episode 1 through, guess what, dialogue hubs.
Only new guy is Mark, but he does not get killed off moments later, he's in like 40-50 percent of the episode and pretty much acts like Lee's sidekick.
I wish there was a comprehensive guide to all the alternate character lines in the game.
Including unused ones.
Yes i remember theories being thrown around that Luke was Carver’s son. The scene in episode 3 just before Carver is shot in the legs, he says “this is none of your business Luke” and the way he said it sounded like it was more like he didn’t want him involved but in a caring way if you get me? I found it hard to believe but interesting all the same
If he doesn’t like Luke that’s up to him, he has his reasons to think Luke is a shitty guy. I disagree with him on some things but I don’t like Luke either.
This is the problem i have with so many people. Any character that is nice gets a pass and are deemed good people but yet because someone like Kenny isn’t it means that he should be hated. If you ask me, the nicest people are the ones not to be trusted. Everyone has two sides, at least Kenny shows his honest side on both parts. Luke only shows his shitty side on a few occasions. But yeah it annoys me that “nice” people get a pass as you said
When they were talking about there being flashbacks to the past in ANF, I thought they were gonna use at least one to capitalize on that timeskip.
A BIT?!
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I get that, more than most tend to even.
It's just that the way it's done is such a shift from her portrayal in most of Episode 1, where she determinately tries to just shoot Clementine to get it over with and then reinforces that she believes she's not on the up n' up and that she refuses to let her guard down. Not to mention that she never falls back into her original mindset afterwards, which is not only over-convenient, but also less realistic.
Broadly speaking, timeskips are perfect fodder for headcanon, fanfics, and even official expansions/retcons. So while they can be a bit sucky in the short term, there's always room for exploration in the long term.
That too.
They were clearly intending for Carver(along with Carlos and Luke, to an extent) to be much craftier than he ultimately came off, so it's possible. Add in Alvin and Rebecca's close relationships with him and it makes a little more sense than you might think.
Carlos at least had the objective foresight to realize that letting Clementine out on her own would be dangerous regardless of allegiance and her supposed capabilities.
This.
I recall someone mentioning it and I can't help but think that would've been a bit much.
The vibe I got was that Luke may have actually been Carver's partner/protege initially, but his reactions to Carver's increasingly authoritativeness gradually broke that connection up. Add in how egotistical/pretentious Carver is in present day and his tone seemed more dismissive of Luke's actual [former] authority.
Which is funny cause I came across a post where you actually seemed to be looking forward to his relationship with Clementine.
Err? Was this back in 2013? If so then how was i to know how the game would have gone. I dont remember ever saying that. If you can send me a link thanks?