Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
The ratting out scene was obviously written by a different writer. It makes no sense and sounds like a different situation. Thankfully, I didn't get it in my game.
I'm ? ?♀️ confused your saying Jane or Gabe was most despicable in the series? I know Gabe was a little dirty weasel at times but Jane can … moreget Kenny killed by manipulating Clementine against Kenny. Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while… more he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
The ratting out scene was obviously written by a different writer. It makes no sense and sounds like a different situation. Thankfully, I didn't get it in my game.
Larry for sure. Great character and contributed well to the storyline but his personality and actions were scumbag as hell. Could go on for a long time but i'll just keep it short - trying to throw Duck out without any evidence he was bitten, then trying to kill Lee shortly after really set the tone and made me hate the guy.
The original had so much promise. A lot of things changed, including the characters.. If only Telltale focused only on S3/ANF and not other games.. I remember looking at the promo images and the teaser, having theories about the story... Good times.
Could go on for a long time but i'll just keep it short.
Well have the time to read..if you do. Might be something interesting to learn about Larry and his character. Kind of what these forums are for, for discussions.
Larry for sure. Great character and contributed well to the storyline but his personality and actions were scumbag as hell. Could go on for … morea long time but i'll just keep it short - trying to throw Duck out without any evidence he was bitten, then trying to kill Lee shortly after really set the tone and made me hate the guy.
You’d think that after 6 years in the fucking apocalypse you would be able to become mature a bit earlier... but no.
Define "mature."
I swear if I see his annoying 180 character flipping headass in S4 they better give me the option to shoot him.
I really don't anyone besides Tripp and Joan did that, especially him.
Now, if we're talking about proper pacing and segueway within the determinate plot events, well...
I agree with the OP on Jane. She was the most despicable character in the whole series for me by the end of S2. But the thing with Jane was … moreyou could have Clementine hate her in the actual game and side with Kenny. But in ANF... a new character took that throne. Gabe is just the fucking worst. You’d think that after 6 years in the fucking apocalypse you would be able to become mature a bit earlier... but no. And the best part is sense your his parental figure the game forces you to care of him. I know you can kinda be a more “aggressive” parental figure but you still have to be his parental figure nonetheless. And he fucking survived in my game and I’m someone who doesn’t replay the episodes to pick my favorite choices because I personally think it belittles the experience a bit. I swear if I see his annoying 180 character flipping headass in S4 they better give me the option to shoot him.
Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
I still feel like that could've been a perfectedly good subplot that simultaneously creates a proper fissure within the group's opinions on top of the existing issues, properly delves into Gabe's moral beliefs and most importantly "redeem" the relationship system.
Instead, it was left in the game with a single determining factor and has relatively little results and even less time dedicated to it.
I've also come to accept that that state is reflective of the direction change in the last two episodes' narrow visioned methodology/priorities.
I'm ? ?♀️ confused your saying Jane or Gabe was most despicable in the series? I know Gabe was a little dirty weasel at times but Jane can … moreget Kenny killed by manipulating Clementine against Kenny. Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
The ratting out scene was obviously written by a different writer.
A different writer with either had very little context on how the scene would affect the collective gameplay and story or very little prudence about how it'd fit in general.
Thankfully, I didn't get it in my game.
Same here. That doesn't adequately change finding out about the stupid implementation and variation of it, though.
Gabe's worst offense was ratting you out to Tripp for saving his life from Conrad something he insists you do by shooting Conrad first while… more he is taken hostage in front of Javier.
The ratting out scene was obviously written by a different writer. It makes no sense and sounds like a different situation. Thankfully, I didn't get it in my game.
Correction: This is post about what was supposedly the original intention for the miniseries before Season 3.
Not to knock it too much here, but reading through that information again, I'm really curious as to where that person got some of that information.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise, which the AMA stated was the case alongside Gabe and Mariana. Though I am willing to believe that David was at least was thought up close to the E3 teaser.
And I do remember there being concept art of an airport or something in Texas at one point.
Same here. It's so disappointing.
The original had so much promise. A lot of things changed, including the characters.. If only Telltale… more focused only on S3/ANF and not other games.. I remember looking at the promo images and the teaser, having theories about the story... Good times.
@DabigRG provided me with this link. It contains info about the original story of ANF:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWalkingDeadGame/comments/693d15/i_wonder_whats_on_javis_neck/dh47vg6/
Being able to control yourself. So not going outside of Prescott and repeatedly hitting a rotting corpse. Kate also mentions how Gabe constantly reminds her that she’s not his mother, how about you just be grateful that you have someone protecting you, Clem never bitched about Lee not being her dad, when both of Sophia’s parents died she never bitched to Glenn or Maggie about them not being her actual parents. We all know the shit Gabe pulled in ep4, which was the exact opposite of being “mature”. They’re are plenty more examples but I’d prefer not to type an essay lmao.
I really don't anyone besides Tripp and Joan did that, especially him. Now, if we're talking about proper pacing and segueway within the determinate plot events, well...
You’d think that after 6 years in the fucking apocalypse you would be able to become mature a bit earlier... but no.
Define "mature.… more"
I swear if I see his annoying 180 character flipping headass in S4 they better give me the option to shoot him.
I really don't anyone besides Tripp and Joan did that, especially him.
Now, if we're talking about proper pacing and segueway within the determinate plot events, well...
Kate also mentions how Gabe constantly reminds her that she’s not his mother
Admittedly, that is kind of a cliche and doesn't really gel too well with the storyline.
Clem never bitched about Lee not being her dad
Kate and Gabe aren't Lee and Clementine, though. They're different individuals with different connections and situations.
...That may part of the problem, though.
when both of Sophia’s parents died she never bitched to Glenn or Maggie about them not being her actual parents
Don't watch the tv show.
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Yeah, them typos/omissions can be pretty confusion.
My point was that the only characters that can really qualify as significantly shifting in attitude/characterization off the top of my head are Rebecca(somewhat understandble, but still notable), Tripp, Lonnie, and Joan. Everyone else simply suffer from lack of emphasis, comfortable pacing, or convenience.
However, I left open an asterisk for scenes and interractions that are somewhat disjointed by determinate factors, which in this case may involve Gabe determinately being upset with Javier.
Define "mature."
Being able to control yourself. So not going outside of Prescott and repeatedly hitting a rotting corpse. Kate also… more mentions how Gabe constantly reminds her that she’s not his mother, how about you just be grateful that you have someone protecting you, Clem never bitched about Lee not being her dad, when both of Sophia’s parents died she never bitched to Glenn or Maggie about them not being her actual parents. We all know the shit Gabe pulled in ep4, which was the exact opposite of being “mature”. They’re are plenty more examples but I’d prefer not to type an essay lmao.
I really don't anyone besides Tripp and Joan did that, especially him. Now, if we're talking about proper pacing and segueway within the determinate plot events, well...
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Correction: This is post about what was supposedly the original intention for the miniseries before Season 3.
Double Correction: This post is about what was supposedly the original intention for both the miniseries AND Season 3.
Not to knock it too much here, but reading through that information again, I'm really curious as to where that person got some of that information.
Same. I wish I had them sources. I have a feeling that this person is Dont_Look_Back.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise, which the AMA stated was the case alongside Gabe and Mariana.
Someone did say that he(and Gabe) didn't exist in the original here, along with that the second episode was called Divided We Fall, but it was not proved yet. That person also said that Episode 5 was called "How Hard I Try" which is a four words title - The Walking Dead episodes have three words in their titles. BetterToSleep called them out on that. If I can find the post again, I will show you.
Though I am willing to believe that David was at least was thought up close to the E3 teaser.
That was most likely the case, yes. Or, Deltino was right - Javier and David were the same character. Two days ago, my best friend and I were talking about how different Season 3 might have been and she told me that she had heard rumors about how Javier was David and that David's character did not exist.
Btw, could you link me Deltino's theory? I would like to read it.
And I do remember there being concept art of an airport or something in Texas at one point.
Oh yeah, I remember that, too. And apparently, Prescott had a different name?
Correction: This is post about what was supposedly the original intention for the miniseries before Season 3.
Not to knock it too much he… morere, but reading through that information again, I'm really curious as to where that person got some of that information.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise, which the AMA stated was the case alongside Gabe and Mariana. Though I am willing to believe that David was at least was thought up close to the E3 teaser.
And I do remember there being concept art of an airport or something in Texas at one point.
Double Correction: This post is about what was supposedly the original intention for both the miniseries AND Season 3.
Do'h!
Same. I wish I had them sources. I have a feeling that this person is @Dont_Look_Back.
Perhaps.
Someone did say that he(and Gabe) didn't exist in the original here, along with that the second episode was called Divided We Fall, but it was not proved yet. That person also said that Episode 5 was called "How Hard I Try" which is a four words title - The Walking Dead episodes have three words in their titles. @BetterToSleep called them out on that. If I can find the post again, I will show you.
Hm....most conspicuous.
Also, I found it while finishing this. It was max_pain943.
That was most likely the case, yes. Or, Deltino was right - Javier and David were the same character. Two days ago, my best friend and I were talking about how different Season 3 might have been and she told me that she had heard rumors about how Javier was David and that David's character did not exist.
Btw, could you link me Deltino's theory? I would like to read it.
Double Correction: This post is about what was supposedly the original intention for both the miniseries AND Season 3.
Do'h!
S… moreame. I wish I had them sources. I have a feeling that this person is @Dont_Look_Back.
Perhaps.
Someone did say that he(and Gabe) didn't exist in the original here, along with that the second episode was called Divided We Fall, but it was not proved yet. That person also said that Episode 5 was called "How Hard I Try" which is a four words title - The Walking Dead episodes have three words in their titles. @BetterToSleep called them out on that. If I can find the post again, I will show you.
Hm....most conspicuous.
Also, I found it while finishing this. It was max_pain943.
That was most likely the case, yes. Or, Deltino was right - Javier and David were the same character. Two days ago, my best friend and I were talking about how different Season 3 might have been and she t… [view original content]
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Also, I found it while finishing this. It was max_pain943.
I knew it!
I eventually found it… more.
Thank you!
Probably? I don't immediately recall that.
Well, it is on a promo picture of Prescott. The name was complicated..
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise
Lots of the characters in ANF existed since the beginning, they just didn't have the same roles. That might be what they mean by “David wasnt the original premise.”
Just like Lingard wasnt supposed to be lingard since the beginning, he was originaly a villain with a totally different name. He always existed, just had his role changed.
Correction: This is post about what was supposedly the original intention for the miniseries before Season 3.
Not to knock it too much he… morere, but reading through that information again, I'm really curious as to where that person got some of that information.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise, which the AMA stated was the case alongside Gabe and Mariana. Though I am willing to believe that David was at least was thought up close to the E3 teaser.
And I do remember there being concept art of an airport or something in Texas at one point.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise
Lots of the characters in ANF existed since the beginning, they j… moreust didn't have the same roles. That might be what they mean by “David wasnt the original premise.”
Just like Lingard wasnt supposed to be lingard since the beginning, he was originaly a villain with a totally different name. He always existed, just had his role changed.
Brenda St. John. imo badger doesn't have enough character development to be considered the most despicable, he's just evil to be evil. brenda was actually likeable before you found out shes evil, while badger was just a dickhead from the start for no reason other than ANF's plot
Brenda St. John. imo badger doesn't have enough character development to be considered the most despicable, he's just evil to be evil. brend… morea was actually likeable before you found out shes evil, while badger was just a dickhead from the start for no reason other than ANF's plot
Season 2 Kenny....what a fucking shithead. Gets people killed...beats on unarmed prisoners....takes his grief out on an 11 year old....will not listen to anyone with any idea other than his. Simply a horrible shithead coasting on the feels we had for him in S1...where in all honesty...he was a shit head there too...but he redeemed himself in the end. Simply put...he is the Newman of TWD.
Season 2 Kenny....what a fucking shithead. Gets people killed...beats on unarmed prisoners....takes his grief out on an 11 year old....will… more not listen to anyone with any idea other than his. Simply a horrible shithead coasting on the feels we had for him in S1...where in all honesty...he was a shit head there too...but he redeemed himself in the end. Simply put...he is the Newman of TWD.
Is it not reasonable that Arvo deserved a great bit of that contempt Kenny had for him for bringing his group to ambush them even if you did not agree with Jane to take his medicine? Folks could of gotten killed and that shootout does sort of indirectly kills Luke.
Season 2 Kenny....what a fucking shithead. Gets people killed...beats on unarmed prisoners....takes his grief out on an 11 year old....will… more not listen to anyone with any idea other than his. Simply a horrible shithead coasting on the feels we had for him in S1...where in all honesty...he was a shit head there too...but he redeemed himself in the end. Simply put...he is the Newman of TWD.
You missed the reply button.
D'ypep! I sure did, didn't I?
Well, it is on a promo picture of Prescott. The name was complicated..
Huh. I'll look into it when I get the chance.
Season 2 Kenny....what a fucking shithead. Gets people killed...beats on unarmed prisoners....takes his grief out on an 11 year old....will… more not listen to anyone with any idea other than his. Simply a horrible shithead coasting on the feels we had for him in S1...where in all honesty...he was a shit head there too...but he redeemed himself in the end. Simply put...he is the Newman of TWD.
I make no bones abut how I feel, Kenny should never have been in S2...he derailed the new characters and was a pain in the ass of everyone who runs into him.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin...I would have respected it more if he had just shot him or ran him off...I still have no clue why they abandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of.
Kenny used Arvo as a punching bag for losing Sarita and the death of Rebecca....seems he knew he could not get away with using Clem as a emotional punching bag any more.
If the writers had been competent...someone would have punched Kenny out.
beats on unarmed prisoners
Is it not reasonable that Arvo deserved a great bit of that contempt Kenny had for him for bringing his g… moreroup to ambush them even if you did not agree with Jane to take his medicine? Folks could of gotten killed and that shootout does sort of indirectly kills Luke.
No I get that. You're right that he's a hard guy to deal with and that he hogged screen time away from the cabin group. I still think Kenny' a fascinating character from a narrative and interactive storytelling standpoint despite that. Unlikable or not his flaws made for some of the best scenes in the series as well as the most polarizing choice among these forums that still starts heated debates to this day. I just love how divisive this one asshole has made the fanbase with his questionable decisions. I'd be willing to say that makes him a great character, even if he stole the spotlight from S2 characters who definitely could've used more development.
I make no bones abut how I feel, Kenny should never have been in S2...he derailed the new characters and was a pain in the ass of everyone who runs into him.
No I get that. You're right that he's a hard guy to deal with and that he hogged screen time away from the cabin group. I still think Kenny'… more a fascinating character from a narrative and interactive storytelling standpoint despite that. Unlikable or not his flaws made for some of the best scenes in the series as well as the most polarizing choice among these forums that still starts heated debates to this day. I just love how divisive this one asshole has made the fanbase with his questionable decisions. I'd be willing to say that makes him a great character, even if he stole the spotlight from S2 characters who definitely could've used more development.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin...I would have respected it more if he had just shot him or ran him off...I still have no clue why they ab… moreandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of.
Kenny used Arvo as a punching bag for losing Sarita and the death of Rebecca....seems he knew he could not get away with using Clem as a emotional punching bag any more.
If the writers had been competent...someone would have punched Kenny out.
I just wish Telltale would've stopped shilling him all the time and/or making more characters that are like him and instead focus on telling good, cohesive stories and making new characters like him.
No I get that. You're right that he's a hard guy to deal with and that he hogged screen time away from the cabin group. I still think Kenny'… more a fascinating character from a narrative and interactive storytelling standpoint despite that. Unlikable or not his flaws made for some of the best scenes in the series as well as the most polarizing choice among these forums that still starts heated debates to this day. I just love how divisive this one asshole has made the fanbase with his questionable decisions. I'd be willing to say that makes him a great character, even if he stole the spotlight from S2 characters who definitely could've used more development.
Well the kid also didn't try to stop anything in the least. (not shown anyway from my memory). I can see if he protested the attacks.. (Oh no! doesn't really count since he brought them there knowing fully that both groups were likely armed and folks on both sides could get killed). but all he really seem to do was sob over and get mad over his sister being killed and killed again as a walker whom was also in the wrong along with the rest of them anyhow, doesn't seem to be that sorry for what went down to me but to each their own interpretation. There really was no sympathy to be had I felt.
I still have no clue why they abandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of
Perhaps they were seeking the quickest best secluded shelter for the newborn. For all they know the town could of been equally dubious only with the promise of more undead lurking within the structures. Also think Arvo was trying to get himself out of a pinch since all his group was wiped out and didn't want to be finished off himself nor left out abandoned to fend for himself while handicapped.
Kenny used Arvo as a punching bag for losing Sarita and the death of Rebecca....seems he knew he could not get away with using Clem as a emotional punching bag any more.
Maybe considering the situation and what he has been through and his history in the past for loosing his cool I can see that and especially towards an enemy that nearly got them killed by his Russian gang. Kenny went a bit far with Carver supposedly too but this was before Rebecca and Sarita being lost. Kenny can be short tempered and quick to violence like Larry and David.
If the writers had been competent...someone would have punched Kenny out.
Maybe they tried their best. If so I cannot really fault them for that though it doesn't seem like they did.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin...I would have respected it more if he had just shot him or ran him off...I still have no clue why they ab… moreandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of.
Kenny used Arvo as a punching bag for losing Sarita and the death of Rebecca....seems he knew he could not get away with using Clem as a emotional punching bag any more.
If the writers had been competent...someone would have punched Kenny out.
Without actually trying or remotely meaning to even.
He led his group to them and doesn't testify this to the group by requesting forgiveness by being an accomplice as far as I can recall. Then gets enraged at Clementine when his sister basically takes a dangerous gamble by joining the firefight and looses while still not repenting for what he and his group has done. The boy may not deserve to be beaten to death since he fired no shots.. but also certainly deserves no sympathy. I think when I was Clementine I chose all the indifferent or meaner responses towards Kenny's treatment of Arvo because he was unbelievable the whole time which made no sense to me since I gave Harry Potter back his magic drugs and he does that and shoots me in the end.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin.
Without actually trying or remotely meaning to even.
If the writers had been competent...so… moremeone would have punched Kenny out.
Wouldn't it have been ironic if Kenny came at Arvo again after Mike under his ties--and that's exactly what ended up happening?
Well the kid also didn't try to stop anything in the least. (not shown anyway from my memory). I can see if he protested the attacks.. (Oh no! doesn't really count since he brought them there knowing fully that both groups were likely armed and folks on both sides could get killed)
If you let him keep his medicine, he does a pretty weak job hiding the fact that he is essentially a reluctant distraction setting them up for the others to close in. Once they do reveal themselves, Buricko(the bald guy) tells him to get the group to lower their things so he can take whatever they want. And while it does somewhat vary depending on the dialogue, Arvo noticeably drags his feet on actually going through with it, will try to negotiate with Clementine if she suggests it, and will even openly state his regret about the situation and compliment Clementine her earlier kindness. Either way, Buricko will shoot down these attempts and order him to go through with it, even saying that he wants to take everything they have now.
And while he is slightly less conflicted if you did steal from him, his body language does occasionally betray that robbing people was never really his thing and may still attempt to accept a deal.
Perhaps they were seeking the quickest best secluded shelter for the newborn.
That's exactly why they did it. While I'm not 100% on this since I don't think we can even see it in the episode, the town was pretty far off from the Civil War Museum and Arvo and Natasha being able to travel that far and/or halfway in the first place implied that their home was comparatively not too far away.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin
Well the kid also didn't try to stop anything in the least. (not shown anyway from my memory). I c… morean see if he protested the attacks.. (Oh no! doesn't really count since he brought them there knowing fully that both groups were likely armed and folks on both sides could get killed). but all he really seem to do was sob over and get mad over his sister being killed and killed again as a walker whom was also in the wrong along with the rest of them anyhow, doesn't seem to be that sorry for what went down to me but to each their own interpretation. There really was no sympathy to be had I felt.
I still have no clue why they abandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of
Perhaps they were seeking the quickest best secluded shelter for the newborn. For all they know the town could of been equally dubious only with t… [view original content]
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The ratting out scene was obviously written by a different writer. It makes no sense and sounds like a different situation. Thankfully, I didn't get it in my game.
Not sure why New Frontier ended up so ridiculous. With the longest prep gap between season two and A New Frontier.
Larry for sure. Great character and contributed well to the storyline but his personality and actions were scumbag as hell. Could go on for a long time but i'll just keep it short - trying to throw Duck out without any evidence he was bitten, then trying to kill Lee shortly after really set the tone and made me hate the guy.
Same here. It's so disappointing.
The original had so much promise. A lot of things changed, including the characters.. If only Telltale focused only on S3/ANF and not other games.. I remember looking at the promo images and the teaser, having theories about the story... Good times.
@DabigRG provided me with this link. It contains info about the original story of ANF:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWalkingDeadGame/comments/693d15/i_wonder_whats_on_javis_neck/dh47vg6/
Well have the time to read..if you do. Might be something interesting to learn about Larry and his character. Kind of what these forums are for, for discussions.
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Define "mature."
I really don't anyone besides Tripp and Joan did that, especially him.
Now, if we're talking about proper pacing and segueway within the determinate plot events, well...
I still feel like that could've been a perfectedly good subplot that simultaneously creates a proper fissure within the group's opinions on top of the existing issues, properly delves into Gabe's moral beliefs and most importantly "redeem" the relationship system.
Instead, it was left in the game with a single determining factor and has relatively little results and even less time dedicated to it.
I've also come to accept that that state is reflective of the direction change in the last two episodes' narrow visioned methodology/priorities.
A different writer with either had very little context on how the scene would affect the collective gameplay and story or very little prudence about how it'd fit in general.
Same here. That doesn't adequately change finding out about the stupid implementation and variation of it, though.
Correction: This is post about what was supposedly the original intention for the miniseries before Season 3.
Not to knock it too much here, but reading through that information again, I'm really curious as to where that person got some of that information.
Particularly since they claim David wasn't in the original premise, which the AMA stated was the case alongside Gabe and Mariana. Though I am willing to believe that David was at least was thought up close to the E3 teaser.
And I do remember there being concept art of an airport or something in Texas at one point.
Being able to control yourself. So not going outside of Prescott and repeatedly hitting a rotting corpse. Kate also mentions how Gabe constantly reminds her that she’s not his mother, how about you just be grateful that you have someone protecting you, Clem never bitched about Lee not being her dad, when both of Sophia’s parents died she never bitched to Glenn or Maggie about them not being her actual parents. We all know the shit Gabe pulled in ep4, which was the exact opposite of being “mature”. They’re are plenty more examples but I’d prefer not to type an essay lmao.
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Here's another strong contender I forgot about: David.
Ah.
Considering where he came from....
Admittedly, that is kind of a cliche and doesn't really gel too well with the storyline.
Kate and Gabe aren't Lee and Clementine, though. They're different individuals with different connections and situations.
...That may part of the problem, though.
Don't watch the tv show.
Yeah, them typos/omissions can be pretty confusion.
My point was that the only characters that can really qualify as significantly shifting in attitude/characterization off the top of my head are Rebecca(somewhat understandble, but still notable), Tripp, Lonnie, and Joan. Everyone else simply suffer from lack of emphasis, comfortable pacing, or convenience.
However, I left open an asterisk for scenes and interractions that are somewhat disjointed by determinate factors, which in this case may involve Gabe determinately being upset with Javier.
Double Correction: This post is about what was supposedly the original intention for both the miniseries AND Season 3.
Same. I wish I had them sources.
I have a feeling that this person is Dont_Look_Back.
Someone did say that he(and Gabe) didn't exist in the original here, along with that the second episode was called Divided We Fall, but it was not proved yet. That person also said that Episode 5 was called "How Hard I Try" which is a four words title - The Walking Dead episodes have three words in their titles. BetterToSleep called them out on that.
If I can find the post again, I will show you.
That was most likely the case, yes. Or, Deltino was right - Javier and David were the same character. Two days ago, my best friend and I were talking about how different Season 3 might have been and she told me that she had heard rumors about how Javier was David and that David's character did not exist.
Btw, could you link me Deltino's theory? I would like to read it.
Oh yeah, I remember that, too. And apparently, Prescott had a different name?
Do'h!
Perhaps.
Hm....most conspicuous.
Also, I found it while finishing this. It was max_pain943.
I eventually found it.
Probably? I don't immediately recall that.
You missed the reply button.
I knew it!
Thank you!
Well, it is on a promo picture of Prescott. The name was complicated..
Roman, Kunny, Brenda and sneaky zombie who bit Lee in ep. 4.
They are four horsemen of zombie apocalypse.
D'ypep! I sure did, didn't I?
Huh. I'll look into it when I get the chance.
Lots of the characters in ANF existed since the beginning, they just didn't have the same roles. That might be what they mean by “David wasnt the original premise.”
Just like Lingard wasnt supposed to be lingard since the beginning, he was originaly a villain with a totally different name. He always existed, just had his role changed.
Hm...fair enough.
We know Ava, Kate, and to an extent Joan and Eleanor were similar situations as well, so there is some precedent for flexibility.
Brenda St. John. imo badger doesn't have enough character development to be considered the most despicable, he's just evil to be evil. brenda was actually likeable before you found out shes evil, while badger was just a dickhead from the start for no reason other than ANF's plot
Fixed?
Season 2 Kenny....what a fucking shithead. Gets people killed...beats on unarmed prisoners....takes his grief out on an 11 year old....will not listen to anyone with any idea other than his. Simply a horrible shithead coasting on the feels we had for him in S1...where in all honesty...he was a shit head there too...but he redeemed himself in the end. Simply put...he is the Newman of TWD.
What an odd parallel.
Says the guy who never watched Seinfield
Is it not reasonable that Arvo deserved a great bit of that contempt Kenny had for him for bringing his group to ambush them even if you did not agree with Jane to take his medicine? Folks could of gotten killed and that shootout does sort of indirectly kills Luke.
Hmm I see Gabe but why Kenny over someone like Joan, Troy, Larry or Jane?
Honestly, Gabe is kinda like Kenny, only on a much smaller, more manageable scale.
Schulenburg.
Ah yes, now I remember!
Gee, funny how time changes things.
Mhm
I was gonna make an ironic comment about one of those options, but I know better than that.
Take it away, Shoula!
I make no bones abut how I feel, Kenny should never have been in S2...he derailed the new characters and was a pain in the ass of everyone who runs into him.
Yeah one kid brought all the ruin...I would have respected it more if he had just shot him or ran him off...I still have no clue why they abandoned a town just across the river for a dubious promise of supplies from a kid that I had just beaten the shit out of.
Kenny used Arvo as a punching bag for losing Sarita and the death of Rebecca....seems he knew he could not get away with using Clem as a emotional punching bag any more.
If the writers had been competent...someone would have punched Kenny out.
No I get that. You're right that he's a hard guy to deal with and that he hogged screen time away from the cabin group. I still think Kenny' a fascinating character from a narrative and interactive storytelling standpoint despite that. Unlikable or not his flaws made for some of the best scenes in the series as well as the most polarizing choice among these forums that still starts heated debates to this day. I just love how divisive this one asshole has made the fanbase with his questionable decisions. I'd be willing to say that makes him a great character, even if he stole the spotlight from S2 characters who definitely could've used more development.
In S1....Kenny may be my second favorite after Lee...his arc was awesome. And it should have ended there.
Without actually trying or remotely meaning to even.
Wouldn't it have been ironic if Kenny came at Arvo again after Mike under his ties--and that's exactly what ended up happening?
I just wish Telltale would've stopped shilling him all the time and/or making more characters that are like him and instead focus on telling good, cohesive stories and making new characters like him.
Well the kid also didn't try to stop anything in the least. (not shown anyway from my memory). I can see if he protested the attacks.. (Oh no! doesn't really count since he brought them there knowing fully that both groups were likely armed and folks on both sides could get killed). but all he really seem to do was sob over and get mad over his sister being killed and killed again as a walker whom was also in the wrong along with the rest of them anyhow, doesn't seem to be that sorry for what went down to me but to each their own interpretation. There really was no sympathy to be had I felt.
Perhaps they were seeking the quickest best secluded shelter for the newborn. For all they know the town could of been equally dubious only with the promise of more undead lurking within the structures. Also think Arvo was trying to get himself out of a pinch since all his group was wiped out and didn't want to be finished off himself nor left out abandoned to fend for himself while handicapped.
Maybe considering the situation and what he has been through and his history in the past for loosing his cool I can see that and especially towards an enemy that nearly got them killed by his Russian gang. Kenny went a bit far with Carver supposedly too but this was before Rebecca and Sarita being lost. Kenny can be short tempered and quick to violence like Larry and David.
Maybe they tried their best. If so I cannot really fault them for that though it doesn't seem like they did.
He led his group to them and doesn't testify this to the group by requesting forgiveness by being an accomplice as far as I can recall. Then gets enraged at Clementine when his sister basically takes a dangerous gamble by joining the firefight and looses while still not repenting for what he and his group has done. The boy may not deserve to be beaten to death since he fired no shots.. but also certainly deserves no sympathy. I think when I was Clementine I chose all the indifferent or meaner responses towards Kenny's treatment of Arvo because he was unbelievable the whole time which made no sense to me since I gave Harry Potter back his magic drugs and he does that and shoots me in the end.
If you let him keep his medicine, he does a pretty weak job hiding the fact that he is essentially a reluctant distraction setting them up for the others to close in. Once they do reveal themselves, Buricko(the bald guy) tells him to get the group to lower their things so he can take whatever they want. And while it does somewhat vary depending on the dialogue, Arvo noticeably drags his feet on actually going through with it, will try to negotiate with Clementine if she suggests it, and will even openly state his regret about the situation and compliment Clementine her earlier kindness. Either way, Buricko will shoot down these attempts and order him to go through with it, even saying that he wants to take everything they have now.
And while he is slightly less conflicted if you did steal from him, his body language does occasionally betray that robbing people was never really his thing and may still attempt to accept a deal.
That's exactly why they did it. While I'm not 100% on this since I don't think we can even see it in the episode, the town was pretty far off from the Civil War Museum and Arvo and Natasha being able to travel that far and/or halfway in the first place implied that their home was comparatively not too far away.