He technically doesn’t leave you to die, he thinks about it but doesn’t leave. Ooh yah asshole blah blah but like he said, “they were everywhere, you took care of yourself didnt ya” and Lee did just that. Larry is someone who LEAVES people to die. And again, i don’t blame Kenny for treating Lee like that. Lee determinantely put Kenny and everyone else in danger by trying to pointlessly revive that racist old asshole. So yeah fuck Lee for that! Especially because he knew Kenny saved his life from that old man after HE left him for dead. If someone saved my life in that way, i would be his bro for life. Of course you’d never think that way because...Kenny meanie old mean bean Kenny who hurts feelings and weak minded people just get so butthurt by it!
He is a well written asshole, but he does not have a heart of gold...in the next episode he leaves you to die if you do not help kill Larry.… more And taking his side 100% That is not being a friend...it is just potential bitch status. Friends never agree 100% about everything.
Every playthrough i have seen when someone sides with Lilly in the meat locker definitely do not get the “you’ve always been there for me Lee” line. You would have to show me video evidence because i have never seen that. Plus it makes no sense him saying that otherwise because Lee obviously wasn’t always there for him lol
That's not true. In my playthrough, I sided with Lilly instead of Kenny and he still ended up saying "You've always been there for me, Lee".… more The way this works is, everytime you side with Kenny, you get a few "points" and if you have enough at the end of episode 4, he will volunteer to help you, you don't have to side with him EVERY time, but MOST of the time. Small things like killing Ben, stealing from the station wagon and not shooting the bitten girl in episode 3 makes Kenny like you.
I also specified major choices aka Trying to save Larrry, Pulling up Ben, and maybe shooting Beatrice. The other stuff usually had me go neutral unless serious enough.
But it's possible.
Because Clementine.
No excuse. She needed to adapt to the world they were now living in. Treating her like a little girl would get h… moreer killed like Chuck said. Plus smashing his head in was necessary for survival like it or not.
Because he's a group member.
A group member that everyone hated apart from Lilly.
Because all the potential help you could have is useful.
True although he was helping no one by being a horrible shit to everyone for no reason at all.
Because Lily is his daughter and/or the group leader.
Except that it sadly for her had to be done to keep everyone safe.
Because it's horrifying.
True but again it needed to be done and in a word like that we would have to go through unspeakable shit.
Because you're tight room with little air.
Why would this be a reason not to put Larry down? Lol
If it's not too late to answer: yes. When Lee asks Ben to come along, Kenny throws a little hissy fit about it. Choose the "Deal with it" option, then convince Ben from there (either mention Clementine, or-- if you treated him well throughout the game-- tell him to make the decision himself)
Did it though? Cause technically, CPR would've kept O2 flowing for a while.
Yes because as stated many times and to quote Lee himself “Larry was going one way or another” (he determinantely says that to Clem at the end of the game just so you know). Even if Larry had been revived, he would die without immediate medical care/medicine which the group did not have due to being trapped in the room. Even if escaping the locker, they’d have to not only deal with the St John’s or sneak past them but travel back to the motor inn or even the pharmacy to get the meds and then travel all the way back. You think all that could realistically happen and Larry could be saved? That’s not to mention the fact that in that time the brothers could have realised what had happened and Larry would already be food or dead along with Lilly or whoever stayed to continue giving CPR, then the walkers would have invaded the farm, the generator goes out too so the place is overrun. You also have Kat and Duck’s situation in all that time trying to save Larry.
Like it or not, Larry was going to die no matter what. I do wish people would get that. I know they want to believe otherwise but i feel they should look at the bigger picture.
No excuse.
Tell that to the fanbase.
it had to be done
Did it though? Cause technically, CPR would've kept O2 flowing… more for a while.
Why would this be a reason not to put Larry down? Lol
Because obvious shit joke is obvious.
Did it though? Cause technically, CPR would've kept O2 flowing for a while.
Yes because as stated many times and to quote Lee himsel… moref “Larry was going one way or another” (he determinantely says that to Clem at the end of the game just so you know). Even if Larry had been revived, he would die without immediate medical care/medicine which the group did not have due to being trapped in the room. Even if escaping the locker, they’d have to not only deal with the St John’s or sneak past them but travel back to the motor inn or even the pharmacy to get the meds and then travel all the way back. You think all that could realistically happen and Larry could be saved? That’s not to mention the fact that in that time the brothers could have realised what had happened and Larry would already be food or dead along with Lilly or whoever stayed to continue giving CPR, then the walkers would have invaded the farm, the generator goes out too so the… [view original content]
There was indeed something like that in the unused voice clips: Lee/Kenny discovered they actually did have medicine either still on him or relatively close by and Lily understandably starts to call him out on it.
Well why didn’t we see the meds in the original game? I know there was unused audio/scene showing they had it but we have to go by what was in the final product. We have to assume they ran out or didn’t bring the meds with them
Well why didn’t we see the meds in the original game? I know there was unused audio/scene showing they had it but we have to go by what was in the final product. We have to assume they ran out or didn’t bring the meds with them
We have to assume they ran out or didn’t bring the meds with them
Or they did bring them, and the St Johns took them away when they put the group in the meat locker.
lol kenny is never a bro
I dunno where people get this idea that he and Lee were best friends. Even Lee has the line after kenny "dies" : "he's what passes for a friend in the apocalypse"
That is only if Lee sides against him on everything. You obviously haven’t done a whole playthrough siding with him. Can’t say I’m surprised though. Typical Kenny hater. Just can’t get over being butthurt by something he previously said or does lol
lol kenny is never a bro
I dunno where people get this idea that he and Lee were best friends. Even Lee has the line after kenny "dies" : "he's what passes for a friend in the apocalypse"
Well, the story does indeed make a little more sense dramatically and thematically speaking if you tend to side against Kenny on the bigger choices.
I kinda like that though, honestly.
The option to be buddy-buddy with him offers more longer term replay value.
lol kenny is never a bro
I dunno where people get this idea that he and Lee were best friends. Even Lee has the line after kenny "dies" : "he's what passes for a friend in the apocalypse"
Well, the story does indeed make a little more sense dramatically and thematically speaking if you tend to side against Kenny on the bigger … morechoices.
I kinda like that though, honestly.
The option to be buddy-buddy with him offers more longer term replay value.
That is only if Lee sides against him on everything. You obviously haven’t done a whole playthrough siding with him. Can’t say I’m surprised though. Typical Kenny hater. Just can’t get over being butthurt by something he previously said or does lol
if i remember correctly it is possible to get the you ve always been there for me line if you try to save Larry.
But then you d have to agree with everything Kenny says and also kill Ben althought i might be wrong.
Nah, in my first playthrough i sided with Kenny on everything but I didn’t drop Ben and he still said that line. Im pretty sure the main three things are saving Duck, defending Duck at the drugstore and siding with him in the meat locker in order for him to say that line
if i remember correctly it is possible to get the you ve always been there for me line if you try to save Larry.
But then you d have to agree with everything Kenny says and also kill Ben althought i might be wrong.
Because he's a group member.
Because Lily is his daughter and/or the group leader.
So? He's extremely dangerous. Getting sentimental is a way to get everyone killed.
Because Clementine.
See above.
Because it's horrifying.
Also see above, except replace sentimental with squeamish.
Because you're tight room with little air.
That sounds like an argument for smashing him. One less person breathing limited air.
Because all the potential help you could have is useful.
Yes, all that helpful yelling at people and generally being combative with everyone. Great for group cohesion and morale.
Larry was a massive, really strong dude and it looked like he wasn't going to make it. Zombies are even stronger than in their human form because they don't have the pain feedback forcing them to stop doing something before they really hurt themselves. He'd go from just 'really strong' to superhuman strength if he turned and if he turned while they were all trapped in that room he could well kill them all. Additionally, he was a walking time bomb, anyway. He had anger issues and a heart condition that required medication, which as I recall, they didn't have any more of. Even if he managed to pull through that episode, which it didn't look like he was going to, he could go down and turn at any time, maybe when everyone else was asleep, where he would proceed to eat people in their sleep.
* Because Clementine.
* Because he's a group member.
* Because all the potential help you could have is useful.
* Because Lily is his daughter and/or the group leader.
* Because it's horrifying.
* Because you're tight room with little air.
Because he's a group member.
Because Lily is his daughter and/or the group leader.
So? He's extremely dangerous. Getting sentimen… moretal is a way to get everyone killed.
Because Clementine.
See above.
Because it's horrifying.
Also see above, except replace sentimental with squeamish.
Because you're tight room with little air.
That sounds like an argument for smashing him. One less person breathing limited air.
Because all the potential help you could have is useful.
Yes, all that helpful yelling at people and generally being combative with everyone. Great for group cohesion and morale.
Larry was a massive, really strong dude and it looked like he wasn't going to make it. Zombies are even stronger than in their human form because they don't have the pain feedback forcing them to stop doing something before they really hurt themselves. He'd go from just 'really strong' to superhu… [view original content]
That's exactly what happened in my playthrough and as for video evidence? I'm not gonna replay the entire season 1 just to show you that, but try it for yourself. Side with Kenny on everything, steal food from the station wagon, kill Ben, don't shoot the girl in the street etc and Kenny will still go with you.
Every playthrough i have seen when someone sides with Lilly in the meat locker definitely do not get the “you’ve always been there for me Le… moree” line. You would have to show me video evidence because i have never seen that. Plus it makes no sense him saying that otherwise because Lee obviously wasn’t always there for him lol
So you sided with Lilly in the meat locker but sided with Kenny on everything else and you got the “you’ve always been there for me” line?? Im not saying you’re lying but i am in disbelief with that. Could you send me a list of exactly the choices you chose so i can try for myself one day?
Honestly, I'm wondering if that's the game occasionally being buggy or not.
On my [still incomplete] third playthrough, I consistently sided with Lilly and Larry(more than on previous playthroughs even) up until the meat locker scene, where I helped Kenny to test out something and finally do that choice. As a result, I discovered both Kenny attacking Danny with the Sickle instead of Lilly(even if it arguably didn't make any sense) and the whole "you feel guilty about Shawn" exchange.
So you sided with Lilly in the meat locker but sided with Kenny on everything else and you got the “you’ve always been there for me” line?? … moreIm not saying you’re lying but i am in disbelief with that. Could you send me a list of exactly the choices you chose so i can try for myself one day?
I’m going to play this wonderful game again sometime and see what happens if i side with Kenny on everything accept the meat locker scene and see if what @qualityrice claims is true. Not saying he/she is lying but i do find it hard to believe.
Either way it will be interesting because the only playthroughs i have ever done is siding with Kenny on everything, siding with Lilly on everything and a silent playthrough which by the way is absolutely hilarious due to some or the dialogue responses we get from other characters lol. Other times i have played random chapters just for a mess around
I’m going to play this wonderful game again sometime and see what happens if i side with Kenny on everything accept the meat locker scene an… mored see if what @qualityrice claims is true. Not saying he/she is lying but i do find it hard to believe.
Either way it will be interesting because the only playthroughs i have ever done is siding with Kenny on everything, siding with Lilly on everything and a silent playthrough which by the way is absolutely hilarious due to some or the dialogue responses we get from other characters lol. Other times i have played random chapters just for a mess around
"Kenny's a great guy as long as you suck his dick and tell him he's right about everything 24/7"
I didn't agree with him to steal Stranger's stuff and didn't kill Ben, yet he still came for me. Your point = invalid.
Yes, Kenny is not perfect character at all, but, if to be honest, I was really happy, when saw him arguing with my group at the ski base in S2.
That feeling of connection between seasons is probably the thing we all continue to play further)
Yes, Kenny is not perfect character at all, but, if to be honest, I was really happy, when saw him arguing with my group at the ski base in S2.
That feeling of connection between seasons is probably the thing we all continue to play further)
"Kenny's a great guy as long as you suck his dick and tell him he's right about everything 24/7"
I didn't agree with him to steal Stranger's stuff and didn't kill Ben, yet he still came for me. Your point = invalid.
Seems i touched a nerve there? Aww lol.
He mostly is right about a lot of things though, not everything, but quite a lot but you just choose not to see it because...it’s Kenny of course.
Yeah, like I said before. (with ben dead) no time left has a nice arc for kenny if he stays behind.
selfishly stays to gaurd the boat instead of go with lee, then he gets the boat taken right out from under him and beaten by old folks (karma), then he resolves to help lee and clementine when they're in the attic/neighbor's bedroom, and finally ends up redeeming himself by saving christa/christa's baby/keeping christa and omid together a little longer
Well, the story does indeed make a little more sense dramatically and thematically speaking if you tend to side against Kenny on the bigger … morechoices.
I kinda like that though, honestly.
The option to be buddy-buddy with him offers more longer term replay value.
He was right to be suspicious that the St John’s were hiding something. Lee might not have found their slaughter room otherwise.
He was right when he suggested days maybe weeks before that they should leave the motor inn to find somewhere better due to the lack of food and supplies at the pharmacy were getting low, not to mention the bandits giving them hell after the St John’s. Lilly insisted on staying and look what happened?
And regardless of what some people say, i believe he was right about putting Larry down to keep everyone safe. He was also right to want to leave Lilly behind after she shoots Carley/Doug as she steals the RV if she is brought with you.
There are probably other minor things i could think of but those stand out the most
He was right to be suspicious that the St John’s were hiding something.
[One of] the only time(s) he was actually operating on something legitimately suspicious and/or solid evidence.
Which, interesting enough, was originally meant for Katjaa. Funny how that worked out.
He was right when he suggested days maybe weeks before that they should leave the motor inn to find somewhere better due to the lack of food and supplies at the pharmacy were getting low, not to mention the bandits giving them hell after the St John’s. Lilly insisted on staying and look what happened?
Fair enough, I guess.
Though I have to wonder: when exactly did he first get the RV up and runnin?
He was also right to want to leave Lilly behind after she shoots Carley/Doug as she steals the RV if she is brought with you.
The RV they didn't need anymore, was gonna be left behind, and that was gettin low on fuel/oil anyway.
He was right to be suspicious that the St John’s were hiding something. Lee might not have found their slaughter room otherwise.
He was r… moreight when he suggested days maybe weeks before that they should leave the motor inn to find somewhere better due to the lack of food and supplies at the pharmacy were getting low, not to mention the bandits giving them hell after the St John’s. Lilly insisted on staying and look what happened?
And regardless of what some people say, i believe he was right about putting Larry down to keep everyone safe. He was also right to want to leave Lilly behind after she shoots Carley/Doug as she steals the RV if she is brought with you.
There are probably other minor things i could think of but those stand out the most
Though I have to wonder: when exactly did he first get the RV up and runnin?
Start of episode 3 Lee mentions it if you examine the RV but Kenny suggested leaving long before that in episode 2.
The RV they didn't need anymore, was gonna be left behind, and that was gettin low on fuel/oil anyway.
It was their only form of transport and was taken away thus leaving them abandoned. It may not have got them very far but if they hadn’t got the train working their situation would have been made even worse thanks to Lilly taking the RV
He was right to be suspicious that the St John’s were hiding something.
[One of] the only time(s) he was actually operating on somet… morehing legitimately suspicious and/or solid evidence.
Which, interesting enough, was originally meant for Katjaa. Funny how that worked out.
He was right when he suggested days maybe weeks before that they should leave the motor inn to find somewhere better due to the lack of food and supplies at the pharmacy were getting low, not to mention the bandits giving them hell after the St John’s. Lilly insisted on staying and look what happened?
Fair enough, I guess.
Though I have to wonder: when exactly did he first get the RV up and runnin?
He was also right to want to leave Lilly behind after she shoots Carley/Doug as she steals the RV if she is brought with you.
The RV they didn't need anymore, was gonna be left behind, and that was gettin low on fuel/oil anyway.
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He technically doesn’t leave you to die, he thinks about it but doesn’t leave. Ooh yah asshole blah blah but like he said, “they were everywhere, you took care of yourself didnt ya” and Lee did just that. Larry is someone who LEAVES people to die. And again, i don’t blame Kenny for treating Lee like that. Lee determinantely put Kenny and everyone else in danger by trying to pointlessly revive that racist old asshole. So yeah fuck Lee for that! Especially because he knew Kenny saved his life from that old man after HE left him for dead. If someone saved my life in that way, i would be his bro for life. Of course you’d never think that way because...Kenny meanie old mean bean Kenny who hurts feelings and weak minded people just get so butthurt by it!
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Every playthrough i have seen when someone sides with Lilly in the meat locker definitely do not get the “you’ve always been there for me Lee” line. You would have to show me video evidence because i have never seen that. Plus it makes no sense him saying that otherwise because Lee obviously wasn’t always there for him lol
I also specified major choices aka Trying to save Larrry, Pulling up Ben, and maybe shooting Beatrice. The other stuff usually had me go neutral unless serious enough.
But it's possible.
Tell that to the fanbase.
Did it though? Cause technically, CPR would've kept O2 flowing for a while.
Because obvious shit joke is obvious.
If it's not too late to answer: yes. When Lee asks Ben to come along, Kenny throws a little hissy fit about it. Choose the "Deal with it" option, then convince Ben from there (either mention Clementine, or-- if you treated him well throughout the game-- tell him to make the decision himself)
Yes because as stated many times and to quote Lee himself “Larry was going one way or another” (he determinantely says that to Clem at the end of the game just so you know). Even if Larry had been revived, he would die without immediate medical care/medicine which the group did not have due to being trapped in the room. Even if escaping the locker, they’d have to not only deal with the St John’s or sneak past them but travel back to the motor inn or even the pharmacy to get the meds and then travel all the way back. You think all that could realistically happen and Larry could be saved? That’s not to mention the fact that in that time the brothers could have realised what had happened and Larry would already be food or dead along with Lilly or whoever stayed to continue giving CPR, then the walkers would have invaded the farm, the generator goes out too so the place is overrun. You also have Kat and Duck’s situation in all that time trying to save Larry.
Like it or not, Larry was going to die no matter what. I do wish people would get that. I know they want to believe otherwise but i feel they should look at the bigger picture.
Everything else being equal, you really think Lilly would just leave the motor inn without bringing Larry's meds?
There was indeed something like that in the unused voice clips: Lee/Kenny discovered they actually did have medicine either still on him or relatively close by and Lily understandably starts to call him out on it.
Well why didn’t we see the meds in the original game? I know there was unused audio/scene showing they had it but we have to go by what was in the final product. We have to assume they ran out or didn’t bring the meds with them
Or they did bring them, and the St Johns took them away when they put the group in the meat locker.
Good point. Either way, they didn’t have them to help save him
lol kenny is never a bro
I dunno where people get this idea that he and Lee were best friends. Even Lee has the line after kenny "dies" : "he's what passes for a friend in the apocalypse"
That is only if Lee sides against him on everything. You obviously haven’t done a whole playthrough siding with him. Can’t say I’m surprised though. Typical Kenny hater. Just can’t get over being butthurt by something he previously said or does lol
Well, the story does indeed make a little more sense dramatically and thematically speaking if you tend to side against Kenny on the bigger choices.
I kinda like that though, honestly.
The option to be buddy-buddy with him offers more longer term replay value.
fact is, kenny still treats you like crap half the time because they couldn't change all of his dialogue to be "friendly to lee"
Typical kenny fan
"Kenny's a great guy as long as you suck his dick and tell him he's right about everything 24/7"
if i remember correctly it is possible to get the you ve always been there for me line if you try to save Larry.
But then you d have to agree with everything Kenny says and also kill Ben althought i might be wrong.
~Oooh another Kenny thread~
Seems i touched a nerve there? Aww lol.
He mostly is right about a lot of things though, not everything, but quite a lot but you just choose not to see it because...it’s Kenny of course.
Nah, in my first playthrough i sided with Kenny on everything but I didn’t drop Ben and he still said that line. Im pretty sure the main three things are saving Duck, defending Duck at the drugstore and siding with him in the meat locker in order for him to say that line
So? He's extremely dangerous. Getting sentimental is a way to get everyone killed.
See above.
Also see above, except replace sentimental with squeamish.
That sounds like an argument for smashing him. One less person breathing limited air.
Yes, all that helpful yelling at people and generally being combative with everyone. Great for group cohesion and morale.
Larry was a massive, really strong dude and it looked like he wasn't going to make it. Zombies are even stronger than in their human form because they don't have the pain feedback forcing them to stop doing something before they really hurt themselves. He'd go from just 'really strong' to superhuman strength if he turned and if he turned while they were all trapped in that room he could well kill them all. Additionally, he was a walking time bomb, anyway. He had anger issues and a heart condition that required medication, which as I recall, they didn't have any more of. Even if he managed to pull through that episode, which it didn't look like he was going to, he could go down and turn at any time, maybe when everyone else was asleep, where he would proceed to eat people in their sleep.
Exactly. Thank you
That's exactly what happened in my playthrough
and as for video evidence? I'm not gonna replay the entire season 1 just to show you that, but try it for yourself. Side with Kenny on everything, steal food from the station wagon, kill Ben, don't shoot the girl in the street etc and Kenny will still go with you.
So you sided with Lilly in the meat locker but sided with Kenny on everything else and you got the “you’ve always been there for me” line?? Im not saying you’re lying but i am in disbelief with that. Could you send me a list of exactly the choices you chose so i can try for myself one day?
Honestly, I'm wondering if that's the game occasionally being buggy or not.
On my [still incomplete] third playthrough, I consistently sided with Lilly and Larry(more than on previous playthroughs even) up until the meat locker scene, where I helped Kenny to test out something and finally do that choice. As a result, I discovered both Kenny attacking Danny with the Sickle instead of Lilly(even if it arguably didn't make any sense) and the whole "you feel guilty about Shawn" exchange.
I’m going to play this wonderful game again sometime and see what happens if i side with Kenny on everything accept the meat locker scene and see if what @qualityrice claims is true. Not saying he/she is lying but i do find it hard to believe.
Either way it will be interesting because the only playthroughs i have ever done is siding with Kenny on everything, siding with Lilly on everything and a silent playthrough which by the way is absolutely hilarious due to some or the dialogue responses we get from other characters lol. Other times i have played random chapters just for a mess around
Okay, just make sure you don't miss anything important, kill the walker on the attic, steal from the station wagon, kill Ben etc
I didn't agree with him to steal Stranger's stuff and didn't kill Ben, yet he still came for me. Your point = invalid.
Don’t suppose you remember exactly what choices you chose and list them for me?
Honestly, he'd be an utter dick if he did hold that against you.
Plus, he was clearly hyperbolizing the matter.
Yes, Kenny is not perfect character at all, but, if to be honest, I was really happy, when saw him arguing with my group at the ski base in S2.
That feeling of connection between seasons is probably the thing we all continue to play further)
Mm, generally speaking, that is a factor.
Though with Michonne and for some ANF, that type of feeling wouldn't be there nearly as much.
Do you mean you had to CONVINCE him?
Anything he's right about is by blind freakin luck. Finding wellington, the boat... absolutely ridiculous stuff.
Yeah, like I said before. (with ben dead) no time left has a nice arc for kenny if he stays behind.
selfishly stays to gaurd the boat instead of go with lee, then he gets the boat taken right out from under him and beaten by old folks (karma), then he resolves to help lee and clementine when they're in the attic/neighbor's bedroom, and finally ends up redeeming himself by saving christa/christa's baby/keeping christa and omid together a little longer
He was right to be suspicious that the St John’s were hiding something. Lee might not have found their slaughter room otherwise.
He was right when he suggested days maybe weeks before that they should leave the motor inn to find somewhere better due to the lack of food and supplies at the pharmacy were getting low, not to mention the bandits giving them hell after the St John’s. Lilly insisted on staying and look what happened?
And regardless of what some people say, i believe he was right about putting Larry down to keep everyone safe. He was also right to want to leave Lilly behind after she shoots Carley/Doug as she steals the RV if she is brought with you.
There are probably other minor things i could think of but those stand out the most
Or complete retroactive coincidence. And/or something that's he largely caused in the first place.
[One of] the only time(s) he was actually operating on something legitimately suspicious and/or solid evidence.
Which, interesting enough, was originally meant for Katjaa. Funny how that worked out.
Fair enough, I guess.
Though I have to wonder: when exactly did he first get the RV up and runnin?
The RV they didn't need anymore, was gonna be left behind, and that was gettin low on fuel/oil anyway.
Start of episode 3 Lee mentions it if you examine the RV but Kenny suggested leaving long before that in episode 2.
It was their only form of transport and was taken away thus leaving them abandoned. It may not have got them very far but if they hadn’t got the train working their situation would have been made even worse thanks to Lilly taking the RV
Largely caused?