At least Lily, Vernon(which I don't actually recall hearing), and the Defector Trio all did what they ended up doing thanks to Kenny's actions, at least in part.
Start of episode 3 Lee mentions it if you examine the RV but Kenny suggested leaving long before that in episode 2.
Yeah, I remember him suggesting it and later bringing it up to threaten(?)/reassure Lee, but I don't recall how long he actually had it up and running before Episode 3, if at all.
Though I have to wonder: when exactly did he first get the RV up and runnin?
Start of episode 3 Lee mentions it if you examine the R… moreV but Kenny suggested leaving long before that in episode 2.
The RV they didn't need anymore, was gonna be left behind, and that was gettin low on fuel/oil anyway.
It was their only form of transport and was taken away thus leaving them abandoned. It may not have got them very far but if they hadn’t got the train working their situation would have been made even worse thanks to Lilly taking the RV
@DabigRG I don’t think it was up and running before episode 3. Kenny is seen with a spanner or something sat down during the feeding the group scene so he was obviously still working on it. By episode 3 Lee says “looks like Kenny finally has that thing running.” It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more seriously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
Start of episode 3 Lee mentions it if you examine the RV but Kenny suggested leaving long before that in episode 2.
Yeah, I remember… more him suggesting it and later bringing it up to threaten(?)/reassure Lee, but I don't recall how long he actually had it up and running before Episode 3, if at all.
The alley way with Ben was also and in my opinion a nicer arc too. Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee. But i felt the alley scene was a nicer goodbye between Lee and Kenny (if Lee doesn’t leave when Kenny tells him to)
Yeah, like I said before. (with ben dead) no time left has a nice arc for kenny if he stays behind.
selfishly stays to gaurd the boat inste… moread of go with lee, then he gets the boat taken right out from under him and beaten by old folks (karma), then he resolves to help lee and clementine when they're in the attic/neighbor's bedroom, and finally ends up redeeming himself by saving christa/christa's baby/keeping christa and omid together a little longer
Kenny wasn’t the reason Vernon stole the boat. I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the group had one.
As for the others, i still don’t blame him for the actions they did. He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was. The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to mention trusting that Russian shit who had not long before aided his friends in trying to ambush/rob and kill the group. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
At least Lily, Vernon(which I don't actually recall hearing), and the Defector Trio all did what they ended up doing thanks to Kenny's actions, at least in part.
That feeling of connection between seasons is probably the thing we all continue to play further
Mm, generally speaking, that is a factor.
Though with Michonne and for some ANF, that type of feeling wouldn't be there nearly as much.
Episode 1
Save Duck = 2 points
Side with Kenny over Larry = 1.5 points
Episode 2
Don't pick Lilly's side = 0.75 points
Help kill Larry = 1.5 points
Episode 3
Don't shoot the girl on the street = 0.75 points
Don't pick Lilly's side. = 0.75 points
Shoot Duck = 2 points
Episode 4
Kill the zombie boy = 0.75 points
Drop Ben = 2 points
I'm quoting the user "DabigRG" here. This should be accurate as it's taken from the actual game files. Do all of these except the one where you kill Larry and Kenny should definetely come with you. The small dialogue options shouldn't change anything but I'm not 100% sure.
So doing everything in that list and Kenny will say “you’ve always been there for me Lee, always had my back when it mattered”? I still find it hard to believe but i am definitely going to try it
Nah, in my first playthrough i sided with Kenny on everything but I didn’t drop Ben and he still said that line. Im pretty sure the main thr… moreee things are saving Duck, defending Duck at the drugstore and siding with him in the meat locker in order for him to say that line
It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more seriously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
Wait, I thought it was about a month between 2 and 3?
@DabigRG I don’t think it was up and running before episode 3. Kenny is seen with a spanner or something sat down during the feeding the gro… moreup scene so he was obviously still working on it. By episode 3 Lee says “looks like Kenny finally has that thing running.” It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more seriously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
The alley way with Ben was also and in my opinion a nicer arc too. Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when… more all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee. But i felt the alley scene was a nicer goodbye between Lee and Kenny (if Lee doesn’t leave when Kenny tells him to)
That may be true, but it's also really not hard to assume that the Cancer Group's increasing desperation and grief with the loss of Brie was a final straw type thing.
I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the group had one.
Yeah, I brought that whole notion from Shel's Story up a good while back and set my piece on that there..
He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was.
I know seen some people point out that things staying tense between the two also wasn't helped by Kenny seemingly refusing to try easing(?) things just as much as Lily's growing paranoia.
The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to mention trusting that Russian shit who had not long before aided his friends in trying to ambush/rob and kill the group.
What's funny about that line is that it only really makes any degree of sense if Bonnie is there and even that's kinda odd. Remember that Jane came out with at least three Wellington bags after Clementine/Mike got Kenny off Arvo and mentioned that there were even more? And yet, Mike is only seen holding one bag himself when Clementine comes out, as if they were just getting out there and ready to eventually leave. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
Eh, Mike more than Bonnie, who actually shows some degree of distrust/indifference to Arvo himself throughout encountering and being with him if you pay attention. She was just tagging along with Mike because that's just how she was handled after leaving Howe's.
I believe it was a combination of Mike having this general protectiveness about him throughout his screentime/"arc" and feeling bad that things went increasingly downing for the boy.
Especially since it was mainly Jane and Buricko's faults things went down that way in the first place.
Kenny wasn’t the reason Vernon stole the boat. I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the g… moreroup had one.
As for the others, i still don’t blame him for the actions they did. He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was. The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to mention trusting that Russian shit who had not long before aided his friends in trying to ambush/rob and kill the group. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
Episode 1
Save Duck = 2 points
Side with Kenny over Larry = 1.5 points
Episode 2
Don't pick Lilly's side = 0.75 points
He… morelp kill Larry = 1.5 points
Episode 3
Don't shoot the girl on the street = 0.75 points
Don't pick Lilly's side. = 0.75 points
Shoot Duck = 2 points
Episode 4
Kill the zombie boy = 0.75 points
Drop Ben = 2 points
I'm quoting the user "DabigRG" here. This should be accurate as it's taken from the actual game files. Do all of these except the one where you kill Larry and Kenny should definetely come with you. The small dialogue options shouldn't change anything but I'm not 100% sure.
I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
I never really saw Mike's relationship to Arvo being that positive. I saw it more as Mike just treating him as a human being, more or less. Look at pretty much every time Mike stands up for him:
When Kenny tries beating him up/shooting him immediately after the gunfight, despite him not actively being a threat anymore (he spent the entire fight trying to revive his sister, and once she died, he just kneeled beside her for the rest of the scene)
When Kenny throws him to the ground and berates him a few minutes later
When Kenny pistol whips him unconscious at the power station (if you got this scene, that is)
When Kenny chases after him on the lake, thinking he was going to kill him
When Kenny beats the shit out of him in the house
I never saw Mike as 100% vouching for the kid by any means, or even necessarily taking his side; he just didn't agree with treating him like a punching bag at every opportunity. I saw Mike as simply trying to show some decency to the kid. What Arvo did is shitty, yeah, but we just wiped out his entire group along with his sister. I think that's enough punishment/payback for him to think about. And I think that's how Mike/Bonnie see the situation as well; he tried to fuck us over, so we arguably fucked him over even worse in return. No need to keep wailing on him after that.
Kenny wasn’t the reason Vernon stole the boat. I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the g… moreroup had one.
As for the others, i still don’t blame him for the actions they did. He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was. The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to mention trusting that Russian shit who had not long before aided his friends in trying to ambush/rob and kill the group. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
You practically have to side with Kenny at every point in the game with some exceptions, the biggest factors are choices revolving Duck and whether to help him kill Larry or not, as well as whether to kill Ben or not. Although you really just have to choose the family related dialogue to convince him to come with you even if you never sided with him at all.
Okay, that's what I needed to know.
It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more ser… moreiously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
Wait, I thought it was about a month between 2 and 3?
Okay, that's what I needed to know.
It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more ser… moreiously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
Wait, I thought it was about a month between 2 and 3?
Come to think of it, i now think Vernon decided officially to steal the boat when he saw the thousands of walkers coming from the railroad at the top of Crawford. He probably thought (and to quote Lee here) “shit! Time to go!” Lol. Maybe before he was only thinking about it. If what Boyd said was true in 400 Days.
Kenny wasn’t the reason Vernon stole the boat.
That may be true, but it's also really not hard to assume that the Cancer Group's inc… morereasing desperation and grief with the loss of Brie was a final straw type thing.
I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the group had one.
Yeah, I brought that whole notion from Shel's Story up a good while back and set my piece on that there..
He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was.
I know seen some people point out that things staying tense between the two also wasn't helped by Kenny seemingly refusing to try easing(?) things just as much as Lily's growing paranoia.
The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to… [view original content]
Come to think of it, i now think Vernon decided officially to steal the boat when he saw the thousands of walkers coming from the railroad at the top of Crawford. He probably thought (and to quote Lee here) “shit! Time to go!” Lol.
Yeah, that was my thought as well.
Maybe before he was only thinking about it. If what Boyd said was true in 400 Days.
Come to think of it, i now think Vernon decided officially to steal the boat when he saw the thousands of walkers coming from the railroad … moreat the top of Crawford. He probably thought (and to quote Lee here) “shit! Time to go!” Lol. Maybe before he was only thinking about it. If what Boyd said was true in 400 Days.
Agreed on the whole Mike/Bonnie/Arvo thing.
My opinion of Kenny's "deaths" were as thus
"dying" trying to save ben: good idea but poorly handled
"dying" saving christa: silly since the radio is useless but its handled nicely
I really can't stand the alley scene. It's so stupid. It makes kenny look like he's committing suicide when he literally had a speech about toughing it out like 2 minutes beforehand!
The alley way with Ben was also and in my opinion a nicer arc too. Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when… more all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee. But i felt the alley scene was a nicer goodbye between Lee and Kenny (if Lee doesn’t leave when Kenny tells him to)
My opinion of Kenny's "deaths" were as thus
"dying" trying to save ben: good idea but poorly handled
"dying" saving christa: silly since … morethe radio is useless but its handled nicely
I really can't stand the alley scene. It's so stupid. It makes kenny look like he's committing suicide when he literally had a speech about toughing it out like 2 minutes beforehand!
@DabigRG Well at the start of episode 3 Kenny winces in pain holding his side when talking to Lee and accidentally drops him when trying to help him up onto the area he was so yeah only a week had passed
@DabigRG Well at the start of episode 3 Kenny winces in pain holding his side when talking to Lee and accidentally drops him when trying to help him up onto the area he was so yeah only a week had passed
Yes, the time jumps get shorter and shorter as each episode begins.
• 3 months between eps 1 and 2.
• 1 week between eps 2 and 3.
• a few hours between eps 3 and 4.
• ep 5 begins where you left off from ep 4.
Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee.
I know I've said this before, but I think the scene does make more sense than people give it credit for. I think the problem is that the writer's intentions didn't come through too well in the scene itself, leading to people seeing it in a different light.
I look at the scene as Kenny wanting to genuinely save Ben. He could have just shot him and left with Lee, but he didn't want to do that, because he wanted to get Ben off of that spike and back to safety. He only ends up shooting Ben when he finally realizes that there's no way to save him, so he settles for doing the second best thing he can; putting Ben out of his misery.
There's different lines of dialogue and things that suggest this was the intent of the scene:
Firstly, one of Kenny's most prominent traits is his stubbornness. When he wants to do something, he'll stick to it, no matter what the people around him say. He'll put himself in a dangerous position if he believes it's for the best, and brush off anyone that tries to talk sense into him.
His line in bedroom was about sticking it out for the people you care about. Then immediately after Ben falls, he goes "Me and my fucking mouth," and then finally, he looks at Lee with a regretful/remorseful look before climbing down to Ben. Just like he says in the Christa version of the scene "Can't just say all that shit and not do something now!"... he feels obligated to try to save Ben after giving that speech.
If you choose the "He's screwed" option in the alley, Kenny goes "He's NOT screwed! He can't die down here!" He's in denial about Ben's impending death, which would help inform his following decision to try to save him-- he refuses to accept there's nothing he can do, until the last second as the walkers close in. Remember, it's not the first time Kenny was in denial over the impending death of someone...
When you choose "Katjaa wouldn't want this", and Kenny says "Yeah she would. Either I save the kid, or I get to see her. Either way." He literally says outright that he wants to save Ben in that line.
Kenny in the alleyway going "BACK, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!" and trying to push a few walkers away. Tell me, why would he do this if he wanted to die/kill Ben? You could argue he wanted to go down fighting, but then why would he say what he said? Wouldn't something like "COME GET ME, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!" make more sense if he wanted to die there?
"Ben was really messed up, Kenny couldn't leave him... it was just fucked."
"He was fighting them off. Trying to, at least..."
"He was lost to the herd trying to save Ben"
Or even Kenny in S2: "For some reason I tried to save that fucking shitbird Ben (...) Couldn't help the kid, but I got out."
Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see much that suggests that Kenny went down there with the intent of killing Ben, much less himself.
The alley way with Ben was also and in my opinion a nicer arc too. Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when… more all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee. But i felt the alley scene was a nicer goodbye between Lee and Kenny (if Lee doesn’t leave when Kenny tells him to)
Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee.
I know … moreI've said this before, but I think the scene does make more sense than people give it credit for. I think the problem is that the writer's intentions didn't come through too well in the scene itself, leading to people seeing it in a different light.
I look at the scene as Kenny wanting to genuinely save Ben. He could have just shot him and left with Lee, but he didn't want to do that, because he wanted to get Ben off of that spike and back to safety. He only ends up shooting Ben when he finally realizes that there's no way to save him, so he settles for doing the second best thing he can; putting Ben out of his misery.
There's different lines of dialogue and things that suggest this was the intent of the scene:
* Firstly, one of Kenny's most prominent traits is his stubbornness. When he wants t… [view original content]
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At least Lily, Vernon(which I don't actually recall hearing), and the Defector Trio all did what they ended up doing thanks to Kenny's actions, at least in part.
Yeah, I remember him suggesting it and later bringing it up to threaten(?)/reassure Lee, but I don't recall how long he actually had it up and running before Episode 3, if at all.
No, just watch @MetallicaRules 's playthrough, he did the same choices as I did and Kenny still came, he didn't have to convince him.
What does that mean?
@DabigRG I don’t think it was up and running before episode 3. Kenny is seen with a spanner or something sat down during the feeding the group scene so he was obviously still working on it. By episode 3 Lee says “looks like Kenny finally has that thing running.” It was during that 1 week time gap after the farm that he was trying to convince everyone more seriously than in episode 2 that they should leave the motor inn now that the RV was working.
Representing a matter to be larger, a bigger deal than it actually is. I assume you are referring to hyperbolising?
The alley way with Ben was also and in my opinion a nicer arc too. Yes it was (the only) ridiculous writing why he “sacrificed” himself when all he had to do was shoot Ben and leave with Lee. But i felt the alley scene was a nicer goodbye between Lee and Kenny (if Lee doesn’t leave when Kenny tells him to)
Kenny wasn’t the reason Vernon stole the boat. I think it was revealed that Vernon decided on taking the boat the second he discovered the group had one.
As for the others, i still don’t blame him for the actions they did. He may have been partly the reason for them, but Kenny’s actions over the Lilly thing (meat locker) were necessary as bad as it was. The Arvo thing i get why they wanted to leave but ultimately they fucked over Clem, AJ and Jane as well and stealing all the supplies was as low as one can get not to mention trusting that Russian shit who had not long before aided his friends in trying to ambush/rob and kill the group. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
Maybe this is a reason for most of fans to hate Michonne series? How do you think?
I'm quoting the user "DabigRG" here. This should be accurate as it's taken from the actual game files. Do all of these except the one where you kill Larry and Kenny should definetely come with you. The small dialogue options shouldn't change anything but I'm not 100% sure.
So doing everything in that list and Kenny will say “you’ve always been there for me Lee, always had my back when it mattered”? I still find it hard to believe but i am definitely going to try it
I actually meant to say if you try to save Larry but i typed it too quickly i should probably edit that.
Which one?
If 2, that he was exaggerating to get his point across better.
Okay, that's what I needed to know.
Wait, I thought it was about a month between 2 and 3?
Agreed.
Because in a universe where Carver did no wrong then neither did Larry due to charm coming out of his ass . ???
Couldn't resist.
That may be true, but it's also really not hard to assume that the Cancer Group's increasing desperation and grief with the loss of Brie was a final straw type thing.
Yeah, I brought that whole notion from Shel's Story up a good while back and set my piece on that there..
I know seen some people point out that things staying tense between the two also wasn't helped by Kenny seemingly refusing to try easing(?) things just as much as Lily's growing paranoia.
What's funny about that line is that it only really makes any degree of sense if Bonnie is there and even that's kinda odd. Remember that Jane came out with at least three Wellington bags after Clementine/Mike got Kenny off Arvo and mentioned that there were even more? And yet, Mike is only seen holding one bag himself when Clementine comes out, as if they were just getting out there and ready to eventually leave. I always thought it was so stupid how Mike and Bonnie treated Arvo like he was their little brother
Eh, Mike more than Bonnie, who actually shows some degree of distrust/indifference to Arvo himself throughout encountering and being with him if you pay attention. She was just tagging along with Mike because that's just how she was handled after leaving Howe's.
I believe it was a combination of Mike having this general protectiveness about him throughout his screentime/"arc" and feeling bad that things went increasingly downing for the boy.
Especially since it was mainly Jane and Buricko's faults things went down that way in the first place.
Which originally came from Deltino, btw.
Which actually came from yet another guy on some other forum. This rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper.
I never really saw Mike's relationship to Arvo being that positive. I saw it more as Mike just treating him as a human being, more or less. Look at pretty much every time Mike stands up for him:
When Kenny tries beating him up/shooting him immediately after the gunfight, despite him not actively being a threat anymore (he spent the entire fight trying to revive his sister, and once she died, he just kneeled beside her for the rest of the scene)
When Kenny throws him to the ground and berates him a few minutes later
When Kenny pistol whips him unconscious at the power station (if you got this scene, that is)
When Kenny chases after him on the lake, thinking he was going to kill him
When Kenny beats the shit out of him in the house
I never saw Mike as 100% vouching for the kid by any means, or even necessarily taking his side; he just didn't agree with treating him like a punching bag at every opportunity. I saw Mike as simply trying to show some decency to the kid. What Arvo did is shitty, yeah, but we just wiped out his entire group along with his sister. I think that's enough punishment/payback for him to think about. And I think that's how Mike/Bonnie see the situation as well; he tried to fuck us over, so we arguably fucked him over even worse in return. No need to keep wailing on him after that.
Thank you for clarifying, Mr. Doorknob!
You practically have to side with Kenny at every point in the game with some exceptions, the biggest factors are choices revolving Duck and whether to help him kill Larry or not, as well as whether to kill Ben or not. Although you really just have to choose the family related dialogue to convince him to come with you even if you never sided with him at all.
No. Kenny said to Lee “is your girl still mad at you/me for taking stuff from the car last week”
Plus if it was a month, it’s highly likely that Kenny’s gunshot wound would have healed up by then
Come to think of it, i now think Vernon decided officially to steal the boat when he saw the thousands of walkers coming from the railroad at the top of Crawford. He probably thought (and to quote Lee here) “shit! Time to go!” Lol. Maybe before he was only thinking about it. If what Boyd said was true in 400 Days.
Agreed on the whole Mike/Bonnie/Arvo thing.
Huh...that's awfully tight space between episodes, given the Season and context.
I thought it did?
Yeah, that was my thought as well.
Hm...fair enough, I suppose.
My opinion of Kenny's "deaths" were as thus
"dying" trying to save ben: good idea but poorly handled
"dying" saving christa: silly since the radio is useless but its handled nicely
I really can't stand the alley scene. It's so stupid. It makes kenny look like he's committing suicide when he literally had a speech about toughing it out like 2 minutes beforehand!
Yes, that too.
True.
@DabigRG Well at the start of episode 3 Kenny winces in pain holding his side when talking to Lee and accidentally drops him when trying to help him up onto the area he was so yeah only a week had passed
Yes, the time jumps get shorter and shorter as each episode begins.
• 3 months between eps 1 and 2.
• 1 week between eps 2 and 3.
• a few hours between eps 3 and 4.
• ep 5 begins where you left off from ep 4.
Well, considering he got shot about a pretty close range with a shotgun, I think it's fair to assume he'd still be hurtin months later..
And within each subsequent installment, with a few exceptions.
Well it was definitely only a week later dude!
I know I've said this before, but I think the scene does make more sense than people give it credit for. I think the problem is that the writer's intentions didn't come through too well in the scene itself, leading to people seeing it in a different light.
I look at the scene as Kenny wanting to genuinely save Ben. He could have just shot him and left with Lee, but he didn't want to do that, because he wanted to get Ben off of that spike and back to safety. He only ends up shooting Ben when he finally realizes that there's no way to save him, so he settles for doing the second best thing he can; putting Ben out of his misery.
There's different lines of dialogue and things that suggest this was the intent of the scene:
Firstly, one of Kenny's most prominent traits is his stubbornness. When he wants to do something, he'll stick to it, no matter what the people around him say. He'll put himself in a dangerous position if he believes it's for the best, and brush off anyone that tries to talk sense into him.
His line in bedroom was about sticking it out for the people you care about. Then immediately after Ben falls, he goes "Me and my fucking mouth," and then finally, he looks at Lee with a regretful/remorseful look before climbing down to Ben. Just like he says in the Christa version of the scene "Can't just say all that shit and not do something now!"... he feels obligated to try to save Ben after giving that speech.
If you choose the "He's screwed" option in the alley, Kenny goes "He's NOT screwed! He can't die down here!" He's in denial about Ben's impending death, which would help inform his following decision to try to save him-- he refuses to accept there's nothing he can do, until the last second as the walkers close in. Remember, it's not the first time Kenny was in denial over the impending death of someone...
When you choose "Katjaa wouldn't want this", and Kenny says "Yeah she would. Either I save the kid, or I get to see her. Either way." He literally says outright that he wants to save Ben in that line.
Kenny in the alleyway going "BACK, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!" and trying to push a few walkers away. Tell me, why would he do this if he wanted to die/kill Ben? You could argue he wanted to go down fighting, but then why would he say what he said? Wouldn't something like "COME GET ME, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!" make more sense if he wanted to die there?
"Ben was really messed up, Kenny couldn't leave him... it was just fucked."
"He was fighting them off. Trying to, at least..."
"He was lost to the herd trying to save Ben"
Or even Kenny in S2: "For some reason I tried to save that fucking shitbird Ben (...) Couldn't help the kid, but I got out."
Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see much that suggests that Kenny went down there with the intent of killing Ben, much less himself.
Good post. I never disagreed with what you said by the way, in case you thought i had
I thought that was obvious, tbf.