Idk if Arvo was trying to kill clem, but if so, from POINT BLANK range, he did a horrible job. She was right there. Even Nick shot better th… morean him. If he couldn't even kill Clementine from as close as he was, then he definitely wouldn't be able to handle a walker and the average bandit
I would have been completely fine with them leaving, since I can understand why they didn’t want to deal with Kenny anymore (I wouldn’t want to deal with someone that hot headed either). Hell, I would have been fine with them taking a little bit of the supplies to survive off of for a couple days. But taking every last bit of it, plus the truck, and leaving everyone else with nothing is extremely selfish and cruel.
Well, when you're facing the possibility of dying a freezing cold death in the middle of nowhere, all because one seemingly unstable guy believes in the possibility of a safe haven called "Wellington" existing(with having little evidence of its existence), and wants to drag everyone through the cold to get there, i'm sure you'd be fully on board to take the only truck and supplies that would otherwise go to waste, and go anywhere that's more reasonable and realistic that's neither further up north, nor the cabin they were staying in.
To them, wellington was no realer than Jesus Christ, and with Kenny bugging tf out in all aspects of every situation, they decided to leave and spare themselves the trouble they'd go through if they had stayed any longer. I can GUARANTEE you Jane would've been on board with their plan. She thought Kenny was crazy as well, and didn't even wanna go to further up north. She was probably just pissed they were gonna leave without her, Clem, and AJ. Kenny was by himself on this one( Arvo and Clem don't count since the player can either be with/against Kenny on going, and Arvo isn't apart of the group)
Although Wellington turned out to be real, no rational person would bet everything on it. Kenny may have had nothing left to lose, but everyone else did.
I would have been completely fine with them leaving, since I can understand why they didn’t want to deal with Kenny anymore (I wouldn’t want… more to deal with someone that hot headed either). Hell, I would have been fine with them taking a little bit of the supplies to survive off of for a couple days. But taking every last bit of it, plus the truck, and leaving everyone else with nothing is extremely selfish and cruel.
Arvo, Natasha, and Vitali actually do alert Buricko(the bald leader with the tattoos) with this and were trying to get him to back down, but he refused to listen and persisted in arguing with Kenny.
Trying to get him to back down?? They were all out to kill and rob the group!!
Actually, those bags were the same as the ones given out at Wellington.
Reused models. Also could have robbed from people that were … moreturned down at Wellington. You really think they'd give supplies to such a populous and armed group? They'd shoot them on sight.
Arvo, Natasha, and Vitali actually do alert Buricko(the bald leader with the tattoos) with this and were trying to get him to back down, but he refused to listen and persisted in arguing with Kenny.
And then they all started shooting at us. Aaand after Buricko got his brains blown out, Vitali vowed to kill every last one of us. And I get that he was his friend, but he should have done more to stop him.
That wasn't really the deal, but whatever.
Well tell me what the deal was then. Whatever's not good enough. I doubt Kenny would have backed down if he had no reason to keep Arvo alive.
I didn’t mind them leaving, but the fact that they stole all the food and the vehicle really pissed me off. I get that they left because of Kenny, but leaving Clem and AJ to die is incredibly heartless, especially after everything they’ve done for them. It was really out of character for both Mike and Bonnie (if you tried to save Luke).
(Arvo's Sister) ["Are you out of your mind? What the hell do you think you're doing? You're going to get us all killed! Hey! You! Don't point that thing at me! Put it down! I said put it down!"]
(Arvo's Sister) ["Just get the medicine back! this is crazy!"]
(Arvo) Oh, shit! [Russian]["Nobody shoot, I don't want to die!"]
(Arvo) ["Buricko, Buricko, stop! Put your gun down! You don't want to do this!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["What the hell is going on?! This is too much! Buricko, back down!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["Buricko STOP! You're going to get us ALL killed!!"]
The bald guy with the tattoos seemed to be the one calling the shots on this. There are even lines of Arvo asking Buricko what he wants him to say, what he wants him to take...
I get the feeling that would have been elaborated on if the people about JT Petty and Eric Stirpe had more pull over No Going Back when Nick Breckon returned.
I get the feeling that would have been elaborated on if the people about JT Petty and Eric Stirpe had more pull over No Going Back when Nick Breckon returned.
It was in the game though. Arvo wasn't hiding his sister's medicine miles away from his group's hideout just for fun.
First of all, if we were playing the game and didn’t rely on translating what the Russians were saying, we were never to understand what was going on. He could have been storing the medicine somewhere as an emergency stash similar to how Rick buried guns outside of Alexandria in case of trouble. Also we were not to know his sister was really sick just because he said she was. The meds could have been a pile of stuff they found and took in case they ever needed it.
So that is the way i viewed that scene and the end of Ep4. It was pretty ambiguous to me
It was in the game though. Arvo wasn't hiding his sister's medicine miles away from his group's hideout just for fun.
Trying to get hi… morem to back down?? They were all out to kill and rob the group!!
https://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
(Arvo's Sister) ["Are you out of your mind? What the hell do you think you're doing? You're going to get us all killed! Hey! You! Don't point that thing at me! Put it down! I said put it down!"]
(Arvo's Sister) ["Just get the medicine back! this is crazy!"]
(Arvo) Oh, shit! [Russian]["Nobody shoot, I don't want to die!"]
(Arvo) ["Buricko, Buricko, stop! Put your gun down! You don't want to do this!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["What the hell is going on?! This is too much! Buricko, back down!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["Buricko STOP! You're going to get us ALL killed!!"]
The bald guy with the tattoos seemed to be the one calling the shots on this. There are even lines of Arvo asking Buricko what he wants him to say, what he wants him to take...
The bald guy with the tattoos seemed to be the one calling the shots on this. There are even lines of Arvo asking Buricko what he wants him to say, what he wants him to take...
That may be so, but again they should have shown the translation for us to understand what the hell was going on, not force us to go looking at the in game text files or translators to understand.
It was in the game though. Arvo wasn't hiding his sister's medicine miles away from his group's hideout just for fun.
Trying to get hi… morem to back down?? They were all out to kill and rob the group!!
https://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
(Arvo's Sister) ["Are you out of your mind? What the hell do you think you're doing? You're going to get us all killed! Hey! You! Don't point that thing at me! Put it down! I said put it down!"]
(Arvo's Sister) ["Just get the medicine back! this is crazy!"]
(Arvo) Oh, shit! [Russian]["Nobody shoot, I don't want to die!"]
(Arvo) ["Buricko, Buricko, stop! Put your gun down! You don't want to do this!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["What the hell is going on?! This is too much! Buricko, back down!"]
(Non-Bald guy) ["Buricko STOP! You're going to get us ALL killed!!"]
The bald guy with the tattoos seemed to be the one calling the shots on this. There are even lines of Arvo asking Buricko what he wants him to say, what he wants him to take...
Well, considering Nick Breckon tried to make Jane look like the better of the two for the time being by having Kenny go especially aggressive and violent on Arvo despite her being the reason his group were pissed in the first place, those two things really shouldn't seem like an odd occurence.
He could have been storing the medicine somewhere as an emergency stash similar to how Rick buried guns outside of Alexandria in case of trouble.
That's initially what I thought for a good while. The Telltale Stream confirming the theory of him planning to run away with his sister came as something of a surprise to me.
Also we were not to know his sister was really sick just because he said she was.
The wiki has said that the specific disease she was supposed to have is mentioned within the games files, but as far as I know, no actual source has confirmed that.
Thus, all we have to go on is the fact that both Arvo's description of her symptoms and the medicine within the bag match up.
So that is the way i viewed that scene and the end of Ep4. It was pretty ambiguous to me
That was more or less the intent, at least in the short-term.
It was in the game though. Arvo wasn't hiding his sister's medicine miles away from his group's hideout just for fun.
First of all, … moreif we were playing the game and didn’t rely on translating what the Russians were saying, we were never to understand what was going on. He could have been storing the medicine somewhere as an emergency stash similar to how Rick buried guns outside of Alexandria in case of trouble. Also we were not to know his sister was really sick just because he said she was. The meds could have been a pile of stuff they found and took in case they ever needed it.
So that is the way i viewed that scene and the end of Ep4. It was pretty ambiguous to me
What did Jane do? Take his gun to make sure he didn't kill her friends. Hiding the meds there is just incredibly suspicious. There's no reason for Arvo to be trusted.
Considering the episode was written by like five people, I wouldn't put such a factual value on what one dev said. Besides, I don't really c… moreare if he was forced into it or not, to me he looked way too happy to exact his little revenge on us after what Jane did to him - even if he was given the medicine back. So fuck him. He's lucky his life was spared, which only happened because he promised us the supplies. So it doesn't really change the situation.
The boy couldn't hold the gun straight long enough to line up a grazing shot, straight up admits he doesn't wanna shoot, especially at a little girl, and was just gonna leave regardless.
Absolute worst case scenario, he pops one off in Jane for threatening his sister and that's a pretty narrow absolute.
That’s fine they mentioned all this on streams and in the game files but again they really should have actually included/mentioned it in the game to make it official. As i said, i am always going by what we saw.
He could have been storing the medicine somewhere as an emergency stash similar to how Rick buried guns outside of Alexandria in case of tro… moreuble.
That's initially what I thought for a good while. The Telltale Stream confirming the theory of him planning to run away with his sister came as something of a surprise to me.
Also we were not to know his sister was really sick just because he said she was.
The wiki has said that the specific disease she was supposed to have is mentioned within the games files, but as far as I know, no actual source has confirmed that.
Thus, all we have to go on is the fact that both Arvo's description of her symptoms and the medicine within the bag match up.
So that is the way i viewed that scene and the end of Ep4. It was pretty ambiguous to me
That was more or less the intent, at least in the short-term.
Lol anytime a gun is pointed in the direction of someone it is dangerous obviously.
Arvo hated Clem after she shot his sister, that is how i will always view him. It doesn’t change the fact that either way he couldn’t be trusted and just because he didn’t have a gun during the shootout doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have tried to kill anyone else who was a threat to him and his sister although they caused it all in the first place (well technically Jane/determinant Clem did first). You get what I’m saying though
The boy couldn't hold the gun straight long enough to line up a grazing shot, straight up admits he doesn't wanna shoot, especially at a lit… moretle girl, and was just gonna leave regardless.
Absolute worst case scenario, he pops one off in Jane for threatening his sister and that's a pretty narrow absolute.
That’s fine they mentioned all this on streams and in the game files but again they really should have actually included/mentioned it in the game to make it official. As i said, i am always going by what we saw.
Lol anytime a gun is pointed in the direction of someone it is dangerous obviously.
Arvo hated Clem after she shot his sister, that is ho… morew i will always view him. It doesn’t change the fact that either way he couldn’t be trusted and just because he didn’t have a gun during the shootout doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have tried to kill anyone else who was a threat to him and his sister although they caused it all in the first place (well technically Jane/determinant Clem did first). You get what I’m saying though
It may have come up there, but more likely than not, this is something that would've gone in my actual rewrite thread due to how I was originally handling that.
I was mainly using your thread to focus on single overall character at a time, something I haven't truly done in a long while.
It may have come up there, but more likely than not, this is something that would've gone in my actual rewrite thread due to how I was origi… morenally handling that.
I was mainly using your thread to focus on single overall character at a time, something I haven't truly done in a long while.
No, I would not be on board with taking everything and leaving the rest of the group to die in the freezing cold because I am not a selfish sack of shit. And maybe they did have a point about Wellington possibly not even existing, but it still doesn’t justify leaving Kenny, Clem, Jane and AJ with absolutely nothing.
Well, when you're facing the possibility of dying a freezing cold death in the middle of nowhere, all because one seemingly unstable guy bel… moreieves in the possibility of a safe haven called "Wellington" existing(with having little evidence of its existence), and wants to drag everyone through the cold to get there, i'm sure you'd be fully on board to take the only truck and supplies that would otherwise go to waste, and go anywhere that's more reasonable and realistic that's neither further up north, nor the cabin they were staying in.
To them, wellington was no realer than Jesus Christ, and with Kenny bugging tf out in all aspects of every situation, they decided to leave and spare themselves the trouble they'd go through if they had stayed any longer. I can GUARANTEE you Jane would've been on board with their plan. She thought Kenny was crazy as well, and didn't even wanna go to further up north. She was probably just pissed they were gonna… [view original content]
No, I would not be on board with taking everything and leaving the rest of the group to die in the freezing cold because I am not a selfish … moresack of shit. And maybe they did have a point about Wellington possibly not even existing, but it still doesn’t justify leaving Kenny, Clem, Jane and AJ with absolutely nothing.
Yes. They're adults they can make their own decisions. Even if they took enough food and weapons to survive without freeing someone who was obviously bloodlusted and dangerous, I wouldn't have had a problem with then wanting to leave
Yes. They're adults they can make their own decisions. Even if they took enough food and weapons to survive without freeing someone who was obviously bloodlusted and dangerous, I wouldn't have had a problem with then wanting to leave
Technically both. But more so Arvo in this situation. Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you killed
Technically both. But more so Arvo in this situation. Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you killed
Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you killed
Exactly. That's why despite his over the top violence towards Arvo, Kenny was the only sensible one when it came to not trusting Arvo. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to suddenly sympathise with someone who was involved in trying to kill and rob you not too long before. That is Stockholm Syndrome.
Technically both. But more so Arvo in this situation. Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you killed
I think Luke, Bonnie, and Mike saw Arvo as a kid who didn't want to be involved in the shooting. But if Jane hadn't taken away his gun, would he have participated? Arvo was definitely not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean he should be hit. I don't think Jane aand Clem trusted him either, but the others were more trusting.
Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you… more killed
Exactly. That's why despite his over the top violence towards Arvo, Kenny was the only sensible one when it came to not trusting Arvo. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to suddenly sympathise with someone who was involved in trying to kill and rob you not too long before. That is Stockholm Syndrome.
But if Jane hadn't taken away his gun, would he have participated?
If Arvo still had his gun i would say he definitely would have participated. Anything to protect his sister right?
Arvo was definitely not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean he should be hit.
This is what I didn’t like about the writers in Eps 4 and 5, for me they made Kenny’s violence way over the top. They wanted people to start hating him more to be honest I reckon. His abuse of Arvo was unnecessary i agree to an extent (although keeping their hostage on their toes can be equally be a good thing, not always the case though), however, and not defending Kenny here but each time he physically abused Arvo he did have a reason for it despite everything:
First time was after the shootout, Kenny was looking at Rebecca’s corpse and got angry and hit Arvo out of frustration. So obviously because him and his pals were a threat to him is the reason for his attack on him there.
He pushed Arvo over after he continued walking and didn’t stop. You could say Arvo didn’t understand enough English but who knows i guess, either way, this was a reason Kenny reacted to him not stopping.
At the power station he determinantly knocks him out because Arvo is screaming his lungs out after Mike goes over to him.
After Arvo runs across the ice, Kenny gets slightly physical again but this was of course understandable, even if Arvo was running out of fear...but was he really?
Then the worst abuse occurs because Arvo said “fuck you” to Kenny and being the short tempered guy he is, he lashed out more aggressively.
Again not saying what he did was justified but I’m pointing out that his abuse wasn’t done for no reason at all.
I think Luke, Bonnie, and Mike saw Arvo as a kid who didn't want to be involved in the shooting. But if Jane hadn't taken away his gun, woul… mored he have participated? Arvo was definitely not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean he should be hit. I don't think Jane aand Clem trusted him either, but the others were more trusting.
I think they'd be justified had thry not taken all the food tbh, they need food to survive as well after all and really, they had no obligation nor reason to stay. Mike was practically bullied by Kenny for the most part like Arvo was, though Bonnie leaving felt very out of character, especially if Clem tries to save Luke.
Honestly they really just ruined characters to git their 'plot', I feel like writing up a bit of an essay on the things S2 did wrong compared to S1.
Bonnie leaving felt very out of character, especially if Clem tries to save Luke.
Kind of although she lied when they first met, though i get why as she was just following orders but it was still a lie and pretty much a backstab. It took me a while to trust her again after that and then when i start to trust her, she goes and betrays everyone again with Mike and Arvo regardless of the reason.
The thing is, i never liked Bonnie that much anyway. I thought out of the 400 Days characters she was the least interesting and it annoyed me that she was the chosen character to play the big role in Season 2
I think they'd be justified had thry not taken all the food tbh, they need food to survive as well after all and really, they had no obligat… moreion nor reason to stay. Mike was practically bullied by Kenny for the most part like Arvo was, though Bonnie leaving felt very out of character, especially if Clem tries to save Luke.
Honestly they really just ruined characters to git their 'plot', I feel like writing up a bit of an essay on the things S2 did wrong compared to S1.
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I was referring to when they first met, as it was an entirely different context and mindset.
I would have been completely fine with them leaving, since I can understand why they didn’t want to deal with Kenny anymore (I wouldn’t want to deal with someone that hot headed either). Hell, I would have been fine with them taking a little bit of the supplies to survive off of for a couple days. But taking every last bit of it, plus the truck, and leaving everyone else with nothing is extremely selfish and cruel.
Well, when you're facing the possibility of dying a freezing cold death in the middle of nowhere, all because one seemingly unstable guy believes in the possibility of a safe haven called "Wellington" existing(with having little evidence of its existence), and wants to drag everyone through the cold to get there, i'm sure you'd be fully on board to take the only truck and supplies that would otherwise go to waste, and go anywhere that's more reasonable and realistic that's neither further up north, nor the cabin they were staying in.
To them, wellington was no realer than Jesus Christ, and with Kenny bugging tf out in all aspects of every situation, they decided to leave and spare themselves the trouble they'd go through if they had stayed any longer. I can GUARANTEE you Jane would've been on board with their plan. She thought Kenny was crazy as well, and didn't even wanna go to further up north. She was probably just pissed they were gonna leave without her, Clem, and AJ. Kenny was by himself on this one( Arvo and Clem don't count since the player can either be with/against Kenny on going, and Arvo isn't apart of the group)
Although Wellington turned out to be real, no rational person would bet everything on it. Kenny may have had nothing left to lose, but everyone else did.
considering kenny was an insane murderer and jane was a devious snake, i'd say they're justified in leaving with the supplies or without them.
It should have been included in the game then, not confirmed by a dev
Trying to get him to back down?? They were all out to kill and rob the group!!
I didn’t mind them leaving, but the fact that they stole all the food and the vehicle really pissed me off. I get that they left because of Kenny, but leaving Clem and AJ to die is incredibly heartless, especially after everything they’ve done for them. It was really out of character for both Mike and Bonnie (if you tried to save Luke).
It was in the game though. Arvo wasn't hiding his sister's medicine miles away from his group's hideout just for fun.
https://pastebin.com/bSAHc09i
The bald guy with the tattoos seemed to be the one calling the shots on this. There are even lines of Arvo asking Buricko what he wants him to say, what he wants him to take...
MRW the Kenny haters and Arvo apologists come out of the woodwork
I get the feeling that would have been elaborated on if the people about JT Petty and Eric Stirpe had more pull over No Going Back when Nick Breckon returned.
Maybe so but as far as im concerned we have to see it for how it was
First of all, if we were playing the game and didn’t rely on translating what the Russians were saying, we were never to understand what was going on. He could have been storing the medicine somewhere as an emergency stash similar to how Rick buried guns outside of Alexandria in case of trouble. Also we were not to know his sister was really sick just because he said she was. The meds could have been a pile of stuff they found and took in case they ever needed it.
So that is the way i viewed that scene and the end of Ep4. It was pretty ambiguous to me
Ugh don’t remind me!
That may be so, but again they should have shown the translation for us to understand what the hell was going on, not force us to go looking at the in game text files or translators to understand.
Well, considering Nick Breckon tried to make Jane look like the better of the two for the time being by having Kenny go especially aggressive and violent on Arvo despite her being the reason his group were pissed in the first place, those two things really shouldn't seem like an odd occurence.
That's initially what I thought for a good while. The Telltale Stream confirming the theory of him planning to run away with his sister came as something of a surprise to me.
The wiki has said that the specific disease she was supposed to have is mentioned within the games files, but as far as I know, no actual source has confirmed that.
Thus, all we have to go on is the fact that both Arvo's description of her symptoms and the medicine within the bag match up.
That was more or less the intent, at least in the short-term.
What did Jane do? Take his gun to make sure he didn't kill her friends. Hiding the meds there is just incredibly suspicious. There's no reason for Arvo to be trusted.
Why would you give Arvo his gun back? Remember he was pointing at a defenseless Clem with it. The guy was potentially dangerous.
The boy couldn't hold the gun straight long enough to line up a grazing shot, straight up admits he doesn't wanna shoot, especially at a little girl, and was just gonna leave regardless.
Absolute worst case scenario, he pops one off in Jane for threatening his sister and that's a pretty narrow absolute.
That’s fine they mentioned all this on streams and in the game files but again they really should have actually included/mentioned it in the game to make it official. As i said, i am always going by what we saw.
I agree. Trusting Arvo was stupid and Bonnie and Mike were very naive to do so
Lol anytime a gun is pointed in the direction of someone it is dangerous obviously.
Arvo hated Clem after she shot his sister, that is how i will always view him. It doesn’t change the fact that either way he couldn’t be trusted and just because he didn’t have a gun during the shootout doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have tried to kill anyone else who was a threat to him and his sister although they caused it all in the first place (well technically Jane/determinant Clem did first). You get what I’m saying though
Understandable.-
You know what, I think I at least considered something like when I was doing my rewrites. Don't remember if I ever did anything with it, though.
My opinion is yes. I think even if they took a little something to survive that would be ok.
Rewrites that you mentioned in my thread you mean?
It may have come up there, but more likely than not, this is something that would've gone in my actual rewrite thread due to how I was originally handling that.
I was mainly using your thread to focus on single overall character at a time, something I haven't truly done in a long while.
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No, I would not be on board with taking everything and leaving the rest of the group to die in the freezing cold because I am not a selfish sack of shit. And maybe they did have a point about Wellington possibly not even existing, but it still doesn’t justify leaving Kenny, Clem, Jane and AJ with absolutely nothing.
I guess i'm a selfish sack of shit lol.
Survival of the most rational.
Yes. They're adults they can make their own decisions. Even if they took enough food and weapons to survive without freeing someone who was obviously bloodlusted and dangerous, I wouldn't have had a problem with then wanting to leave
...Okay, I'll bite: Are you talkin about the redneck or the Russian?
Technically both. But more so Arvo in this situation. Giving someone who just tried to have you and your whole group killed a gun and full confidence would be something that could easily get you killed
I've heard people say it wasn't really what he wanted to go through with, and that he was more upset over the fact his sister was shot.
Buricko being a greedy aggressive dick and Kenny repeatedly abusing him really didn't help in each instance.
Exactly. That's why despite his over the top violence towards Arvo, Kenny was the only sensible one when it came to not trusting Arvo. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to suddenly sympathise with someone who was involved in trying to kill and rob you not too long before. That is Stockholm Syndrome.
I think Luke, Bonnie, and Mike saw Arvo as a kid who didn't want to be involved in the shooting. But if Jane hadn't taken away his gun, would he have participated? Arvo was definitely not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean he should be hit. I don't think Jane aand Clem trusted him either, but the others were more trusting.
If Arvo still had his gun i would say he definitely would have participated. Anything to protect his sister right?
This is what I didn’t like about the writers in Eps 4 and 5, for me they made Kenny’s violence way over the top. They wanted people to start hating him more to be honest I reckon. His abuse of Arvo was unnecessary i agree to an extent (although keeping their hostage on their toes can be equally be a good thing, not always the case though), however, and not defending Kenny here but each time he physically abused Arvo he did have a reason for it despite everything:
First time was after the shootout, Kenny was looking at Rebecca’s corpse and got angry and hit Arvo out of frustration. So obviously because him and his pals were a threat to him is the reason for his attack on him there.
He pushed Arvo over after he continued walking and didn’t stop. You could say Arvo didn’t understand enough English but who knows i guess, either way, this was a reason Kenny reacted to him not stopping.
At the power station he determinantly knocks him out because Arvo is screaming his lungs out after Mike goes over to him.
After Arvo runs across the ice, Kenny gets slightly physical again but this was of course understandable, even if Arvo was running out of fear...but was he really?
Then the worst abuse occurs because Arvo said “fuck you” to Kenny and being the short tempered guy he is, he lashed out more aggressively.
Again not saying what he did was justified but I’m pointing out that his abuse wasn’t done for no reason at all.
I think they'd be justified had thry not taken all the food tbh, they need food to survive as well after all and really, they had no obligation nor reason to stay. Mike was practically bullied by Kenny for the most part like Arvo was, though Bonnie leaving felt very out of character, especially if Clem tries to save Luke.
Honestly they really just ruined characters to git their 'plot', I feel like writing up a bit of an essay on the things S2 did wrong compared to S1.
Kind of although she lied when they first met, though i get why as she was just following orders but it was still a lie and pretty much a backstab. It took me a while to trust her again after that and then when i start to trust her, she goes and betrays everyone again with Mike and Arvo regardless of the reason.
The thing is, i never liked Bonnie that much anyway. I thought out of the 400 Days characters she was the least interesting and it annoyed me that she was the chosen character to play the big role in Season 2