He doesn't know that. As far as he's concerned, Clementine is still a member of TNF
He was eavesdropping on their convo the whole time, he heard her say she used to be with the new frontier. If she was a spy, she wouldn't have said anything about her being one
He doesn't know that. As far as he's concerned, Clementine is still a member of TNF and is...spying on the group for them, I guess?
He's going through grief, he didn't have the clearest of heads
I think he only heard bits and pieces of the convo, that's why he asks to show him her arm. And yeah the logic behind the decision is extremely dumb, but I think at that point Conrad is going to try absolutely anything he can to get to Badger, no matter how stupid it is
He doesn't know that. As far as he's concerned, Clementine is still a member of TNF
He was eavesdropping on their convo the whole ti… moreme, he heard her say she used to be with the new frontier. If she was a spy, she wouldn't have said anything about her being one
90% of players shooting Conrad tells me that many of them didn't like the game enough to replay it. I mean.....over time, don't most choices… more end up hovering closer to 50% because people replay the game to see what happens when they make the opposite choice? The first playthrough, I agree that shooting him seems like the sensible option (especially considering the players' affinity towards Clementine), but after seeing Conrad's complete story arc, I don't know how anyone can honestly believe that killing him was the "right" choice.
His situation in ANF kinda reminds me of Nick in Season 2....if you go with Pete at the end of episode 1, he will ask you to look after Nick. I liked having the option to vouch for him, which ultimately saved his life at the end of episode 2. When he was killed off-screen in episode 4 (with no option for player intervention), I was disappointed, and wondered what it would be like to have a character you could sav… [view original content]
Aw dude I had no idea Conrad would actually kill Gabe so I got excited that maybe there was another way to get Gabe killed and not have to deal with him. I looked it up on youtube and it's just another way to fail. Booo.
It really comes down to a combination of how rushed/poorly paced the premiere was, his increasingly short-tempered and jumpy behavior, him t… moreaking Gabe hostage after what happened with Mariana(which, in hindsight, was sort of getting even for the night before, but still), and especially him taking the dickery a step too far by flat out executing Gabe as a distraction if you take too long to decide(which Telltale themselves realized and regretted). And of course, it being Clementine, INO, TALIJ, or otherwise.
That said, I was one of the few who didn't shoot him and in fact had multiple reasons to [eventually?] side with him on the choice.
I mean he helps Javi and Tripp save Elenore in ep 3. Actually Tripp can mention that hes avoiding talking to Conrad on the dating subject be… morecause he's not sure if Conrads head is in the right place and wants to give him space, so I doubt Conrad had much input in that department
Didn't they not know that she was exiled and or thought she just quits them altogether while Clem knew the whole time she had been banned from being apart of them but doesn't disclose that info when the gun is pointed at her? Couldn't she had said "oh wait it won't do you any good Conrad because I was kicked out anyway." Much similar to the Jane scenario where she could of disclosed where she had AJ hidden to avoid being killed by Kenny or getting Kenny killed by Clemmy?
I was under the impression that Clementine committed some sort of crimes within the New Frontier to begin with and that's part of why she wa… mores afraid to go into Richmond.
Max did allude to being on alert due to encounters and hoodwinkings in the past, with Clementine being oddly knowledgeable and prepared to forcefully halt Rufus's truck.
As is though, Max was willing to believe Clementine is probably the one who got the Garcia's mixed up with them in the first place and opened the gates to let David see she came back to them as a prisoner.
Yea, that only carried over until he was eaten by walkers for me, because I offered Javier up when Francine was brought to the gate. Guess who still had to suffer through the Garcias telenovela and Conrads indeterminate hissy fit about who's responsible for his wifes death? This guy. I really wish one of the options during his puppy eyes scenes in episode 3 was "remember what happened the last time you had a gun? Go fuck yourself."
This psycho who needs to explain he's a good guy forgive plz in the next episode is not an example of a good character arc, he's poorly done and deserves the majority killing him. "I don't know who that guy was(from 5 minutes ago)"
I disagree there. I think he has very solid character arc.episode 2 he is consumed by rage and vengeance, and that carries over to episode 3… more with him saying he's gonna do anything he can to get to Badger. After he is left alone in silence in the prison (?) he thinks about what he's done and begins to realize how wrong it was, leading to the gun scene.
After he kills Badger, almost all that rage fades away, and he helps Tripp get Elenore back. After he does that, he's pretty much lost. He doesn't know where to go from here. Francine and Prescott are gone, and Badger is dead, so what is he supposed to do now? Like he say "I just gotta figure it out, who the new Conrad is" when he leaves in ep. 4.
On his way out I think a realization hits him on who he wants to be. Richmond will be his new home, and the Garcia's will be his new family, and he comes back and saves the day
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watching him kill Badger was probably my favorite moment from all of ANF too
I agree, that was incredibly satisfying for me (even more than having Javi use the bat on him). Javi and his family were ultimately responsible for bringing the New Frontier to Prescott and getting Francine killed, so its the least we can do for him...
Telltale should have taken more time to develop his character in the first two episodes. I kept him alive though, and he ended being my favo… morerite new character from the entire season. watching him kill Badger was probably my favorite moment from all of ANF too, so I think we know which option is the right one.
I kinda got the vibe he simply happened to look back at some point partway through her explanation and caught a glimpse of the mark, possibly when Javier first first reacted to the revelation. He does say "Finish your little story," after all.
Does the "Used to be" part ever come up again before they call Max?
He doesn't know that. As far as he's concerned, Clementine is still a member of TNF
He was eavesdropping on their convo the whole ti… moreme, he heard her say she used to be with the new frontier. If she was a spy, she wouldn't have said anything about her being one
He looked pretty pissed/psycho when he looked back if I remember correctly, it felt like he was still keeping a watchful eye on uncle Javi for (doesn't matter if you try to save her) Francine, and overheard the entirety of their conversation. If I remember correctly he looks back before the flashback.
I kinda got the vibe he simply happened to look back at some point partway through her explanation and caught a glimpse of the mark, possibl… morey when Javier first first reacted to the revelation. He does say "Finish your little story," after all.
Does the "Used to be" part ever come up again before they call Max?
That's the ultimate/collective conclusion, anyway.
I'm pretty sure her explicitly getting exiled was a product of the 3-month rewrites after/during the premiere.
Didn't they not know that she was exiled and or thought she just quits them altogether while Clem knew the whole time she had been banned fr… moreom being apart of them but doesn't disclose that info when the gun is pointed at her? Couldn't she had said "oh wait it won't do you any good Conrad because I was kicked out anyway." Much similar to the Jane scenario where she could of disclosed where she had AJ hidden to avoid being killed by Kenny or getting Kenny killed by Clemmy?
I was under the impression that Clementine committed some sort of crimes within the New Frontier to begin with and that's part of why she was afraid to go into Richmond.
That's definitely what it seemed like at the time, but as Cosmic_Boy pointed out, she was kicked out of a New Frontier and thus had no value to them. That Clementine didn't bother to explain this to Javi/Conrad is just another example of the story being revised too many times (late into production).
Max did allude to being on alert due to encounters and hoodwinkings in the past, with Clementine being oddly knowledgeable and prepared to forcefully halt Rufus's truck.
Couldn't that be attributed to luck? You sit by the side of the road long enough, someone is bound to come by...
I was under the impression that Clementine committed some sort of crimes within the New Frontier to begin with and that's part of why she wa… mores afraid to go into Richmond.
Max did allude to being on alert due to encounters and hoodwinkings in the past, with Clementine being oddly knowledgeable and prepared to forcefully halt Rufus's truck.
As is though, Max was willing to believe Clementine is probably the one who got the Garcia's mixed up with them in the first place and opened the gates to let David see she came back to them as a prisoner.
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends. I definetely feel like he and Tripp had a conversation in episode 3 while in the prison, because during the gun scene he seems to know what conrads talking about. I think Tripp pretty much told him how much he screwed up and got Conrad back in the right mindset. I will admit, it's annoying as hell how he gets mad at you even if you hand yourself over, I get that he just needs someone to blame, but there is almost NO different dialogue, it feels forced and really just happens so Gabe will point the gun at him because development.
But overall i fricking love Conrads character arc, I think it's extremely well done, especially with the limited amount of screen time he was given.
Yea, that only carried over until he was eaten by walkers for me, because I offered Javier up when Francine was brought to the gate. Guess w… moreho still had to suffer through the Garcias telenovela and Conrads indeterminate hissy fit about who's responsible for his wifes death? This guy. I really wish one of the options during his puppy eyes scenes in episode 3 was "remember what happened the last time you had a gun? Go fuck yourself."
This psycho who needs to explain he's a good guy forgive plz in the next episode is not an example of a good character arc, he's poorly done and deserves the majority killing him. "I don't know who that guy was(from 5 minutes ago)"
Really?
I love the Conrad profile picture by the way. What kinda face is he making there? Looking like he just caught a glimpse of that Kate booty or something XD
Agree to disagree, I felt the complete 180 he turned was out of place, and the fact that they excluded the player from any sort of development he had if Tripp talked to him was just a horrible decision and left the player leaning toward the extreme I am or the one you are as far as his character goes. It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad… more for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends. I definetely feel like he and Tripp had a conversation in episode 3 while in the prison, because during the gun scene he seems to know what conrads talking about. I think Tripp pretty much told him how much he screwed up and got Conrad back in the right mindset. I will admit, it's annoying as hell how he gets mad at you even if you hand yourself over, I get that he just needs someone to blame, but there is almost NO different dialogue, it feels forced and really just happens so Gabe will point the gun at him because development.
But overall i fricking love Conrads character arc, I think it's extremely well done, especially with the limited amount of screen time he was given.
because I offered Javier up when Francine was brought to the gate. Guess who still had to suffer through Conrads indeterminate hissy fit about who's responsible for his wifes death?
Okay, yeah, that is another detail I didn't get.
Like, it was supposed to be originally supposed to be all Clementine's fault anyway, so why not have him still go off on her in that scenario?
This psycho who needs to explain he's a good guy forgive plz in the next episode is not an example of a good character arc
Again, blame the pacing brought on by the even shorter runtimes.
I really wish one of the options during his puppy eyes scenes in episode 3 was "remember what happened the last time you had a gun? Go fuck yourself."
Even though he tried to rebuke taking the gun to begin with?
"I don't know who that guy was(from 5 minutes ago)"
Actually, it was at least an hour or two, before which he tranquilly declared his intent to do whatever he needs to find Badger.
Yea, that only carried over until he was eaten by walkers for me, because I offered Javier up when Francine was brought to the gate. Guess w… moreho still had to suffer through the Garcias telenovela and Conrads indeterminate hissy fit about who's responsible for his wifes death? This guy. I really wish one of the options during his puppy eyes scenes in episode 3 was "remember what happened the last time you had a gun? Go fuck yourself."
This psycho who needs to explain he's a good guy forgive plz in the next episode is not an example of a good character arc, he's poorly done and deserves the majority killing him. "I don't know who that guy was(from 5 minutes ago)"
Really?
Actually, the flashback happens after the choice to tie up Blasphemous Kung-Fu Hobo Knight.
I'm pretty sure the first cue of Conrad being on to them comes right after Javier reacts to the revelation.
He looked pretty pissed/psycho when he looked back if I remember correctly, it felt like he was still keeping a watchful eye on uncle Javi f… moreor (doesn't matter if you try to save her) Francine, and overheard the entirety of their conversation. If I remember correctly he looks back before the flashback.
That's definitely what it seemed like at the time, but as Cosmic_Boy pointed out, she was kicked out of a New Frontier and thus had no value to them. That Clementine didn't bother to explain this to Javi/Conrad is just another example of the story being revised too many times (late into production).
Pretty much.
Couldn't that be attributed to luck? You sit by the side of the road long enough, someone is bound to come by...
For you to drop a goddamn timbering tree in the way just a few seconds off, tho?
I was under the impression that Clementine committed some sort of crimes within the New Frontier to begin with and that's part of why she wa… mores afraid to go into Richmond.
That's definitely what it seemed like at the time, but as Cosmic_Boy pointed out, she was kicked out of a New Frontier and thus had no value to them. That Clementine didn't bother to explain this to Javi/Conrad is just another example of the story being revised too many times (late into production).
Max did allude to being on alert due to encounters and hoodwinkings in the past, with Clementine being oddly knowledgeable and prepared to forcefully halt Rufus's truck.
Couldn't that be attributed to luck? You sit by the side of the road long enough, someone is bound to come by...
Extremely well done? What in the actual fuck did I just read? Conrad had nothing even resembling a character arc, it’s barely even a bullet point character arc.
Bartender
Batshit crazy person with an incredibly poorly thought out plan
“Something happens off screen”
All around decent guy
That’s not a character arc, even by ANF standards.
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad… more for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends. I definetely feel like he and Tripp had a conversation in episode 3 while in the prison, because during the gun scene he seems to know what conrads talking about. I think Tripp pretty much told him how much he screwed up and got Conrad back in the right mindset. I will admit, it's annoying as hell how he gets mad at you even if you hand yourself over, I get that he just needs someone to blame, but there is almost NO different dialogue, it feels forced and really just happens so Gabe will point the gun at him because development.
But overall i fricking love Conrads character arc, I think it's extremely well done, especially with the limited amount of screen time he was given.
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends.
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad… more for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends. I definetely feel like he and Tripp had a conversation in episode 3 while in the prison, because during the gun scene he seems to know what conrads talking about. I think Tripp pretty much told him how much he screwed up and got Conrad back in the right mindset. I will admit, it's annoying as hell how he gets mad at you even if you hand yourself over, I get that he just needs someone to blame, but there is almost NO different dialogue, it feels forced and really just happens so Gabe will point the gun at him because development.
But overall i fricking love Conrads character arc, I think it's extremely well done, especially with the limited amount of screen time he was given.
It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
On that, I will definitely agree.
Not for nothing, I was actually excited about him and his status in part because of how the dynamic between him, Clementine, and Gabe was progressing and wanted more of that.
Unfortunately, it ended up being the only real noteworthy disappointment I had with the episode.
Agree to disagree, I felt the complete 180 he turned was out of place, and the fact that they excluded the player from any sort of developme… morent he had if Tripp talked to him was just a horrible decision and left the player leaning toward the extreme I am or the one you are as far as his character goes. It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
I thought the flashback happened after they're walking through the tunnel, before hobo with the spare trenchcoats starts wallwalking when Conrad opens fire and draws them all in, it was definitely before they ran into the train though.
Actually, the flashback happens after the choice to tie up Blasphemous Kung-Fu Hobo Knight.
I'm pretty sure the first cue of Conrad being on to them comes right after Javier reacts to the revelation.
Extremely well done? What in the actual fuck did I just read? Conrad had nothing even resembling a character arc, it’s barely even a bullet … morepoint character arc.
* Bartender
* Batshit crazy person with an incredibly poorly thought out plan
* “Something happens off screen”
* All around decent guy
That’s not a character arc, even by ANF standards.
I thought the flashback happened after they're walking through the tunnel, before hobo with the spare trenchcoats starts wallwalking when Conrad opens fire and draws them all in, it was definitely before they ran into the train though.
I had multitude with episode 3, not the least was Clemexmachima comically doinking her way with the bat. They really fumbled their way through his arc, and if you don't get him killed in episode 3 he randomly shows up during episode 4s firefight in a throwaway scene, and if you save him before Kate runs him down, he's reading a book at the end of episode 5.
It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
On that, I will defini… moretely agree.
Not for nothing, I was actually excited about him and his status in part because of how the dynamic between him, Clementine, and Gabe was progressing and wanted more of that.
Unfortunately, it ended up being the only real noteworthy disappointment I had with the episode.
I stand corrected sir, I knew it was before the whole train crap, thought you meant while they were on the roof when she steps away to breathe heavily(still not sure why she cares).
I had multitude with episode 3, not the least was Clemexmachima comically doinking her way with the bat.
Oh no, don't get me wrong...--she still fuckin sucked!
...It's just, ya know, wanted more of one of the installments more interesting [anti]hero characters.
They really fumbled their way through his arc
Yeah, well, at least they technically completed it minus the one or two steps they didn't get in.
* Looks at most other character and story arcs *
I had multitude with episode 3, not the least was Clemexmachima comically doinking her way with the bat. They really fumbled their way throu… moregh his arc, and if you don't get him killed in episode 3 he randomly shows up during episode 4s firefight in a throwaway scene, and if you save him before Kate runs him down, he's reading a book at the end of episode 5.
I'm pretty sure she was supposed to have left AJ there with a denizen she trusted and didn't wanna risk the two of being recognized, if he hadn't been already.
I stand corrected sir, I knew it was before the whole train crap, thought you meant while they were on the roof when she steps away to breathe heavily(still not sure why she cares).
I typed out his entire character arc on the first page. See that, and tell me he had no character arc.
Look just because a character doesn't scream THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IM FEELING AND HOW IVE CHANGED AS A PERSON COMPARED TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARC doesn't mean change isn't occurring.
Show don't tell. We don't always know what's going on in Conrads head but we can look at his actions and the things he DOES tell us and understand how he changes as a person and what caused those changes. Like I said, I typed out his whole arc, so please go read that
Extremely well done? What in the actual fuck did I just read? Conrad had nothing even resembling a character arc, it’s barely even a bullet … morepoint character arc.
* Bartender
* Batshit crazy person with an incredibly poorly thought out plan
* “Something happens off screen”
* All around decent guy
That’s not a character arc, even by ANF standards.
just because a character doesn't scream THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IM FEELING AND HOW IVE CHANGED AS A PERSON COMPARED TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARC doesn't mean change isn't occurring.
All that really showed about him was that he went through the 7 stages of grief.
I typed out his entire character arc on the first page. See that, and tell me he had no character arc.
Look just because a character does… moren't scream THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IM FEELING AND HOW IVE CHANGED AS A PERSON COMPARED TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARC doesn't mean change isn't occurring.
Show don't tell. We don't always know what's going on in Conrads head but we can look at his actions and the things he DOES tell us and understand how he changes as a person and what caused those changes. Like I said, I typed out his whole arc, so please go read that
Fair enough, but I think that subtlety is good. We shouldn't always have to directly SEE what causes change in a character to understand why they change. You might be right, the writers just didn't have the time or place to add that in, but I think they respect our intelligence enough to let us figure out what causes the change in him. Kinda like christa's baby, They assume we'll be able to put it together ourselves, which takes some thinking, which I LOVE.
Show don't tell
Agree to disagree, I felt the complete 180 he turned was out of place, and the fact that they excluded the player from any sort of developme… morent he had if Tripp talked to him was just a horrible decision and left the player leaning toward the extreme I am or the one you are as far as his character goes. It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
(still not sure why she cares).
I'm pretty sure she was supposed to have left AJ there with a denizen she trusted and didn't wanna risk the two of being recognized, if he hadn't been already.
just because a character doesn't scream THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IM FEELING AND HOW IVE CHANGED AS A PERSON COMPARED TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARC… more doesn't mean change isn't occurring.
All that really showed about him was that he went through the 7 stages of grief.
I agree with you, but subtle is subtle, Conrad went from homicidal maniac to "I don't who that guy was"
Christa went from that moment to time jump, we knew there was a period of time in there but she didn't really come off on one side or the other, she was indifferent but not so much that it felt out of character for her after S1
Fair enough, but I think that subtlety is good. We shouldn't always have to directly SEE what causes change in a character to understand why… more they change. You might be right, the writers just didn't have the time or place to add that in, but I think they respect our intelligence enough to let us figure out what causes the change in him. Kinda like christa's baby, They assume we'll be able to put it together ourselves, which takes some thinking, which I LOVE.
Show don't tell
I see your point. His arc isn't perfect, yeah they should've given him more screen time to show it. But you gotta appreciate the fact that they gave him an arc! Only 10% of players saved him, it would have been easy to pull a Nick and just have him stand around for an episode than get eaten. But they actually went out and gave him good dialogue, gave him some memorable scenes, AND gave him an arc that only 2% of players will see through to the end!
Even if you don't think he got enough screen time after ep2 (to be honest I'm right there with ya) you have to remember it could have been a lot worse.
So as long as something could be worse than it is, that somehow makes it good? Conrad’s character points are a decent idea with terrible planning and follow through. But at the end of the day, Conrad is a shallow character who just so happens to be able to survive to the end of the season.
And I did read your synopsis before I posted, it doesn’t equate to a character arc, just your own head canon along with his bullet points.
I see your point. His arc isn't perfect, yeah they should've given him more screen time to show it. But you gotta appreciate the fact that t… morehey gave him an arc! Only 10% of players saved him, it would have been easy to pull a Nick and just have him stand around for an episode than get eaten. But they actually went out and gave him good dialogue, gave him some memorable scenes, AND gave him an arc that only 2% of players will see through to the end!
Even if you don't think he got enough screen time after ep2 (to be honest I'm right there with ya) you have to remember it could have been a lot worse.
Aw dude I had no idea Conrad would actually kill Gabe so I got excited that maybe there was another way to get Gabe killed and not have to deal with him. I looked it up on youtube and it's just another way to fail. Booo.
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He was eavesdropping on their convo the whole time, he heard her say she used to be with the new frontier. If she was a spy, she wouldn't have said anything about her being one
I think he only heard bits and pieces of the convo, that's why he asks to show him her arm. And yeah the logic behind the decision is extremely dumb, but I think at that point Conrad is going to try absolutely anything he can to get to Badger, no matter how stupid it is
My future son just got his ass roasted
Kenny kinda did the same when Sarita died. But he's day 1 sooo...lol
???
Connie sounds better than Conrad, although it may come off girlish.
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm a little surprised to hear it's still that.
[Insert Tavia looking at Rebecca here]
That's who he(and Gabe) reminded me of too. To the point that I actually made an fun little effort to invoke that a bit in my rewrite of the episode.
Aw dude I had no idea Conrad would actually kill Gabe so I got excited that maybe there was another way to get Gabe killed and not have to deal with him. I looked it up on youtube and it's just another way to fail. Booo.
Oh yeah. "Save."
Didn't they not know that she was exiled and or thought she just quits them altogether while Clem knew the whole time she had been banned from being apart of them but doesn't disclose that info when the gun is pointed at her? Couldn't she had said "oh wait it won't do you any good Conrad because I was kicked out anyway." Much similar to the Jane scenario where she could of disclosed where she had AJ hidden to avoid being killed by Kenny or getting Kenny killed by Clemmy?
Yea, that only carried over until he was eaten by walkers for me, because I offered Javier up when Francine was brought to the gate. Guess who still had to suffer through the Garcias telenovela and Conrads indeterminate hissy fit about who's responsible for his wifes death? This guy. I really wish one of the options during his puppy eyes scenes in episode 3 was "remember what happened the last time you had a gun? Go fuck yourself."
This psycho who needs to explain he's a good guy forgive plz in the next episode is not an example of a good character arc, he's poorly done and deserves the majority killing him. "I don't know who that guy was(from 5 minutes ago)"
Really?
I agree, that was incredibly satisfying for me (even more than having Javi use the bat on him). Javi and his family were ultimately responsible for bringing the New Frontier to Prescott and getting Francine killed, so its the least we can do for him...
I kinda got the vibe he simply happened to look back at some point partway through her explanation and caught a glimpse of the mark, possibly when Javier first first reacted to the revelation. He does say "Finish your little story," after all.
Does the "Used to be" part ever come up again before they call Max?
He looked pretty pissed/psycho when he looked back if I remember correctly, it felt like he was still keeping a watchful eye on uncle Javi for (doesn't matter if you try to save her) Francine, and overheard the entirety of their conversation. If I remember correctly he looks back before the flashback.
That's the ultimate/collective conclusion, anyway.
I'm pretty sure her explicitly getting exiled was a product of the 3-month rewrites after/during the premiere.
That's definitely what it seemed like at the time, but as Cosmic_Boy pointed out, she was kicked out of a New Frontier and thus had no value to them. That Clementine didn't bother to explain this to Javi/Conrad is just another example of the story being revised too many times (late into production).
Couldn't that be attributed to luck? You sit by the side of the road long enough, someone is bound to come by...
I disagree, I think it's shown he's a good man, and the screen time given to him before Francine passes is that of a man that would feel bad for what he does in ep 2 and try to make amends. I definetely feel like he and Tripp had a conversation in episode 3 while in the prison, because during the gun scene he seems to know what conrads talking about. I think Tripp pretty much told him how much he screwed up and got Conrad back in the right mindset. I will admit, it's annoying as hell how he gets mad at you even if you hand yourself over, I get that he just needs someone to blame, but there is almost NO different dialogue, it feels forced and really just happens so Gabe will point the gun at him because development.
But overall i fricking love Conrads character arc, I think it's extremely well done, especially with the limited amount of screen time he was given.
I love the Conrad profile picture by the way. What kinda face is he making there? Looking like he just caught a glimpse of that Kate booty or something XD
Agree to disagree, I felt the complete 180 he turned was out of place, and the fact that they excluded the player from any sort of development he had if Tripp talked to him was just a horrible decision and left the player leaning toward the extreme I am or the one you are as far as his character goes. It should have been given it's time if you chose not to kill him, instead of overlooked and suddenly changed.
Okay, yeah, that is another detail I didn't get.
Like, it was supposed to be originally supposed to be all Clementine's fault anyway, so why not have him still go off on her in that scenario?
Again, blame the pacing brought on by the even shorter runtimes.
Even though he tried to rebuke taking the gun to begin with?
Actually, it was at least an hour or two, before which he tranquilly declared his intent to do whatever he needs to find Badger.
Actually, the flashback happens after the choice to tie up Blasphemous Kung-Fu Hobo Knight.
I'm pretty sure the first cue of Conrad being on to them comes right after Javier reacts to the revelation.
Pretty much.
For you to drop a goddamn timbering tree in the way just a few seconds off, tho?
Extremely well done? What in the actual fuck did I just read? Conrad had nothing even resembling a character arc, it’s barely even a bullet point character arc.
That’s not a character arc, even by ANF standards.
Essentially this.
On that, I will definitely agree.
Not for nothing, I was actually excited about him and his status in part because of how the dynamic between him, Clementine, and Gabe was progressing and wanted more of that.
Unfortunately, it ended up being the only real noteworthy disappointment I had with the episode.
I thought the flashback happened after they're walking through the tunnel, before hobo with the spare trenchcoats starts wallwalking when Conrad opens fire and draws them all in, it was definitely before they ran into the train though.
Eh, more like
...Nah.
I had multitude with episode 3, not the least was Clemexmachima comically doinking her way with the bat. They really fumbled their way through his arc, and if you don't get him killed in episode 3 he randomly shows up during episode 4s firefight in a throwaway scene, and if you save him before Kate runs him down, he's reading a book at the end of episode 5.
I stand corrected sir, I knew it was before the whole train crap, thought you meant while they were on the roof when she steps away to breathe heavily(still not sure why she cares).
Oh no, don't get me wrong...--she still fuckin sucked!
...It's just, ya know, wanted more of one of the installments more interesting [anti]hero characters.
Yeah, well, at least they technically completed it minus the one or two steps they didn't get in.
* Looks at most other character and story arcs *
I'm pretty sure she was supposed to have left AJ there with a denizen she trusted and didn't wanna risk the two of being recognized, if he hadn't been already.
I typed out his entire character arc on the first page. See that, and tell me he had no character arc.
Look just because a character doesn't scream THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IM FEELING AND HOW IVE CHANGED AS A PERSON COMPARED TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS ARC doesn't mean change isn't occurring.
Show don't tell. We don't always know what's going on in Conrads head but we can look at his actions and the things he DOES tell us and understand how he changes as a person and what caused those changes. Like I said, I typed out his whole arc, so please go read that
All that really showed about him was that he went through the 7 stages of grief.
Fair enough, but I think that subtlety is good. We shouldn't always have to directly SEE what causes change in a character to understand why they change. You might be right, the writers just didn't have the time or place to add that in, but I think they respect our intelligence enough to let us figure out what causes the change in him. Kinda like christa's baby, They assume we'll be able to put it together ourselves, which takes some thinking, which I LOVE.
Show don't tell
That was what I had assumed during my first playthrough, and then a whole bunch of nothing lol
Yeah and that's pretty much his arc. Going through those stages and then trying to figure out what his life is going to be now.
I agree with you, but subtle is subtle, Conrad went from homicidal maniac to "I don't who that guy was"
Christa went from that moment to time jump, we knew there was a period of time in there but she didn't really come off on one side or the other, she was indifferent but not so much that it felt out of character for her after S1
I see your point. His arc isn't perfect, yeah they should've given him more screen time to show it. But you gotta appreciate the fact that they gave him an arc! Only 10% of players saved him, it would have been easy to pull a Nick and just have him stand around for an episode than get eaten. But they actually went out and gave him good dialogue, gave him some memorable scenes, AND gave him an arc that only 2% of players will see through to the end!
Even if you don't think he got enough screen time after ep2 (to be honest I'm right there with ya) you have to remember it could have been a lot worse.
So as long as something could be worse than it is, that somehow makes it good? Conrad’s character points are a decent idea with terrible planning and follow through. But at the end of the day, Conrad is a shallow character who just so happens to be able to survive to the end of the season.
And I did read your synopsis before I posted, it doesn’t equate to a character arc, just your own head canon along with his bullet points.
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