If he can't adjust to being civilized, it's necessary. Clem will never be able to be around people if he's so screwed up he kills unarmed people well after they're no longer an immediate threat.
I feel like that's really a cheap excuse to use and I know its not real thank you, it still disgusts me no less about the comments im seeing. Its like someone saying I want to rape a video game character, it doesn't make it any less creepy just because its a video game.
Like I said, if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him. It's not ideal, but that's how it'd have to be. They don't have child psychologists to try and help him. It's kinda' like if you have a bunch of dogs and one of them gets rabies. The only thing you can do is put the rabid dog down before it kills or infects the others. Obviously AJ can't really infect anyone, but he can kill other people. It's the same reason Carol killed Lizzie in the show. Lizzie was a danger to everyone around her and they didn't have any way to help her.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
Keep him around and allow him to randomly murder people after arguments because he just doesn't get that it's not ok to do that.
Throw him out and make him fend for himself, almost certainly dooming him to a slow, painful starvation or being ripped apart by walkers.
Put him down as humanely as possible in order to protect everyone else while sparing him a slow, painful, or brutal, terrifying death.
If AJ does, then it should be because of a bite. If we taught AJ to save the last bullet for himself, then he shoots himself, but otherwise, Clem does.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people
Innocent people, I feel like we should clarify this because he hasn't killed anyone innocent.You can't compare Aj to lizzie because she killed someone that was innocent her sister.
Now out of all your options, I think option 2 just shows me how much love you dont have for Aj. I don't think clementine would let Aj fend for himself outside of the community, she would just go with him. Remember she loves this boy like her own son she's not going to abandon him. Also for option 3, do you think it would of been the right thing to do for Marlon? because he was a danger to the group as well.
Like I said, if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him. It's not ideal, but that's how it'd have to be.… more They don't have child psychologists to try and help him. It's kinda' like if you have a bunch of dogs and one of them gets rabies. The only thing you can do is put the rabid dog down before it kills or infects the others. Obviously AJ can't really infect anyone, but he can kill other people. It's the same reason Carol killed Lizzie in the show. Lizzie was a danger to everyone around her and they didn't have any way to help her.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
* Keep him around and allow him to randomly murder people after arguments because he just doesn't get that it's not ok to do that.
* Throw him out and make him fend for himself, almost certainly dooming him to a slow, painful starvation or being ripped apart by walkers.
* Put him down as humanely as possible in… [view original content]
Marlon wasn't innocent, you're right, but he wasn't a threat in the moment and AJ wasn't justified in killing him minutes after he'd dropped his gun and surrendered.
Imagine AJ was a cop. Criminal took his (AJ's) weapon and used it to hold his partner (Clem) hostage. Criminal is talked down and drops his gun and surrenders, or he's disarmed and surrenders, either way, he is no longer armed and has surrendered. As the criminal presents himself to AJ's partner for arrest with tears in eyes, cop (AJ) picks his gun up and kills the criminal. It's just not justified. Period. End. There's nothing anyone can say that justifies killing someone who has surrendered and is unarmed. Even in war that's not ok and soldiers who kill prisoners are guilty of war crimes.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people
Innocent people, I feel like we should clarify this because he hasn't ki… morelled anyone innocent.You can't compare Aj to lizzie because she killed someone that was innocent her sister.
Now out of all your options, I think option 2 just shows me how much love you dont have for Aj. I don't think clementine would let Aj fend for himself outside of the community, she would just go with him. Remember she loves this boy like her own son she's not going to abandon him. Also for option 3, do you think it would of been the right thing to do for Marlon? because he was a danger to the group as well.
I agree with everything you posted, but turning right around and thinking about killing Aj isn't the answer. Also i'm not trying to justify what Aj did, I just understand what Aj did was clearly out of anger for Marlon threatening Clementine .
Marlon wasn't innocent, you're right, but he wasn't a threat in the moment and AJ wasn't justified in killing him minutes after he'd dropped… more his gun and surrendered.
Imagine AJ was a cop. Criminal took his (AJ's) weapon and used it to hold his partner (Clem) hostage. Criminal is talked down and drops his gun and surrenders, or he's disarmed and surrenders, either way, he is no longer armed and has surrendered. As the criminal presents himself to AJ's partner for arrest with tears in eyes, cop (AJ) picks his gun up and kills the criminal. It's just not justified. Period. End. There's nothing anyone can say that justifies killing someone who has surrendered and is unarmed. Even in war that's not ok and soldiers who kill prisoners are guilty of war crimes.
Damn right man, I certainly don't want to kill AJ if we don't have to, hell I don't want to kill anyone if I don't have to, but if at the end of episode 4 he is still a little shit then I'm guessing I will have no choice.
I hope we are able to steer him towards the good path and that Telltale isn't gonna pull a John Doe on us where he is bad no matter what.
Like I said, if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him. It's not ideal, but that's how it'd have to be.… more They don't have child psychologists to try and help him. It's kinda' like if you have a bunch of dogs and one of them gets rabies. The only thing you can do is put the rabid dog down before it kills or infects the others. Obviously AJ can't really infect anyone, but he can kill other people. It's the same reason Carol killed Lizzie in the show. Lizzie was a danger to everyone around her and they didn't have any way to help her.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
* Keep him around and allow him to randomly murder people after arguments because he just doesn't get that it's not ok to do that.
* Throw him out and make him fend for himself, almost certainly dooming him to a slow, painful starvation or being ripped apart by walkers.
* Put him down as humanely as possible in… [view original content]
if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
Omfg, you make it sound like AJ shot Marlon just for the sake of killing someone...
allow him to randomly murder people after arguments
Hah, "After arguments", quite a subtle way to describe that situation
And are your really comparing AJ to Lizzie? Lizzie killed her own fucking sister to show that "zombies are people too" or some stupid shit like that. AJ shot a person he barely knew because the person acted as a threat to him and his mother-figure Clementine.
To put it crudely: Don't wanna get shot? Don't pose as a threat, don't fuck with AJ nor Clem.
What you're suggesting AJ to be like: Eyyyy lmaoooo killed Ruby coz fuck that bitch am I right?
Like I said, if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him. It's not ideal, but that's how it'd have to be.… more They don't have child psychologists to try and help him. It's kinda' like if you have a bunch of dogs and one of them gets rabies. The only thing you can do is put the rabid dog down before it kills or infects the others. Obviously AJ can't really infect anyone, but he can kill other people. It's the same reason Carol killed Lizzie in the show. Lizzie was a danger to everyone around her and they didn't have any way to help her.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
* Keep him around and allow him to randomly murder people after arguments because he just doesn't get that it's not ok to do that.
* Throw him out and make him fend for himself, almost certainly dooming him to a slow, painful starvation or being ripped apart by walkers.
* Put him down as humanely as possible in… [view original content]
Eh no it's exactly what he did, literally- he shot Marlon in the back of his skull because he thought he was saving others, whether he did or not is not the point. It's beyond me how you defend Marlon, a guy who gives two innocent people to raiders, lies about it for a year, kills one of the two people who knew about it and then blames their death on the other one, yet you immediately want to murder a kid because he doesn't understand what he did was wrong. You people are hypocrites.
Not at all. AJ killed someone who had surrendered and was a blubbering mess, begging to be allowed to walk away. AJ didn't protect anyone. He executed Marlon.
You complain about simplifying yet you simplify things yourself, Marlon is more useful alive than dead, and also Brody's death was an accident, Lee killed a senator no ? But he gets a pass ? Marlon did the best he could to protect the group, he had to make sacrifices, maybe he could have done things differently, maybe not, but you seem to forget this is a community of kids, Marlon was a kid still.
AJ shot an unarmed crying and begging man and doesn't understand what he did wrong, clearly something is up with AJ.
if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill peop… morele.
Omfg, you make it sound like AJ shot Marlon just for the sake of killing someone...
allow him to randomly murder people after arguments
Hah, "After arguments", quite a subtle way to describe that situation
And are your really comparing AJ to Lizzie? Lizzie killed her own fucking sister to show that "zombies are people too" or some stupid shit like that. AJ shot a person he barely knew because the person acted as a threat to him and his mother-figure Clementine.
To put it crudely: Don't wanna get shot? Don't pose as a threat, don't fuck with AJ nor Clem.
What you're suggesting AJ to be like: Eyyyy lmaoooo killed Ruby coz fuck that bitch am I right?
The comparison to Lizzie is simply to show that she was a danger to everyone and could not be helped. AJ may well be in the same boat, but obviously not the exact same situation. In AJ's case, it'd be more along the lines of he doesn't value human life at all. He sees humans as just another thing that he has to be afraid of. If he can't come to terms with the fact that people can make mistakes, sometimes horrible mistakes but they don't always have to be killed, he's a danger to everyone around him, including Clem.
if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill peop… morele.
Omfg, you make it sound like AJ shot Marlon just for the sake of killing someone...
allow him to randomly murder people after arguments
Hah, "After arguments", quite a subtle way to describe that situation
And are your really comparing AJ to Lizzie? Lizzie killed her own fucking sister to show that "zombies are people too" or some stupid shit like that. AJ shot a person he barely knew because the person acted as a threat to him and his mother-figure Clementine.
To put it crudely: Don't wanna get shot? Don't pose as a threat, don't fuck with AJ nor Clem.
What you're suggesting AJ to be like: Eyyyy lmaoooo killed Ruby coz fuck that bitch am I right?
Oh, so thats what makes it ok? And he sure as shit didn't "accidentally" hit her
Lee killed a senator no ? But he gets a pass ?
Never said anything about Lee nor does his actions have anything to do with this
he had to make sacrifices
Exactly, he sacrificed the twins, pretty sure they didn't volunteer to be sacrificed and neither did Clem and AJ for the matter of fact
Marlon was a kid still.
AJ is still a kid, heck AJ is like 10+ years younger than Marlon
doesn't understand what he did wrong, clearly something is up with AJ.
What is he, 6 years old? Like I've commented before, child soldiers are known to lack empathy. Moral hasn't developed to AJ much like it hasn't developed to those child soldiers.
Marlon did the best he could to protect the group
Same could be said about AJ. He did the best he could to protect Clem.
You complain about simplifying yet you simplify things yourself, Marlon is more useful alive than dead, and also Brody's death was an accide… morent, Lee killed a senator no ? But he gets a pass ? Marlon did the best he could to protect the group, he had to make sacrifices, maybe he could have done things differently, maybe not, but you seem to forget this is a community of kids, Marlon was a kid still.
AJ shot an unarmed crying and begging man and doesn't understand what he did wrong, clearly something is up with AJ.
If he continues to be an uncontrollable problem that causes the deaths of others. I, unlike you 100% firmly believe that Marlon was no longer a threat and was prepared to let him stay at the school. So I saw no need to kill him.
I’m a little tired of the Marlon wasn’t a good person so he deserved it argument. Guess what? That’s your perspective. My perspective was that Marlon was a scared kid who made some pretty bad mistakes. But I forgave him for those mistakes and was about to give him a second chance. So from my point of view Marlon didn’t deserve to die and AJ was out of line. I’m really not going to go back and forth with people because they think Marlon was a piece of shit who deserved to die and I don’t. I’m bowing out of this argument.
So what type of killing are you even talking about, execution style? Because I literally see know way in which you would need to kill Aj without contradicting your own beliefs.
How on earth did he protected Clementine ? She wasn't in danger at all, he was unarmed and weeping.
Also yet again empathy is natural, it's not so easy to kill someone, war children get used to kill, but it traumatises them, they are not normal, AJ never killed a human being, it shouldn't have been so easy unless he is kinda deranged.
What Marlon did doesn't make it ok but if you want to stay civilized then you can't kill Marlon, emotions are complex and you've gotta learn to put yourself in people's shoes, you don't know how YOU would react if you were put through the same things as Marlon.
Marlon never had ill intentions, he wanted to save everyone, just for that he doesn't deserve to die, sure he is a coward, but just like most people, unfortunately he was charged of being the leader and had to put a facade to appear strong to put other at ease. My point with Lee is that Marlon deserves to die but Lee don't ? Because you like Lee ?
Sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good, that's what Marlon did, either he handed two of his people or they were all gonna get killed.
And yet again babies are shown to have empathy towards others, there is a lot of things that are taught but human empathy is a natural evolution of men, that's what makes you feel bad when you see someone hurt, why you put yourself in other people's shoes, and why it's hard to kill another human being, and also traumatizing.
Marlon is more useful alive than dead
Never said that he wasn't
also Brody's death was an accident
Oh, so thats what m… moreakes it ok? And he sure as shit didn't "accidentally" hit her
Lee killed a senator no ? But he gets a pass ?
Never said anything about Lee nor does his actions have anything to do with this
he had to make sacrifices
Exactly, he sacrificed the twins, pretty sure they didn't volunteer to be sacrificed and neither did Clem and AJ for the matter of fact
Marlon was a kid still.
AJ is still a kid, heck AJ is like 10+ years younger than Marlon
doesn't understand what he did wrong, clearly something is up with AJ.
What is he, 6 years old? Like I've commented before, child soldiers are known to lack empathy. Moral hasn't developed to AJ much like it hasn't developed to those child soldiers.
Marlon did the best he could to protect the group
Same could be said about AJ. He did the best he could to protect Clem.
That's a contradiction, your willing to give a second chance to Marlon but your not prepared to give one to Aj. Marlon did way worse stuff than Aj did, and that's a fact. And I could care less whether or not you fill like Marlon should get a second chance . But if you don't think Aj should get one your blinded by fanboyism. And since when was Aj an uncontrollable problem? Because he killed Marlon, a teenager who sold out his own friends and killed one of them to keep his secret. He tried to have clem killed in the basement threatened her with a gun, and would of sold both Aj and clementine to the raiders. Had he been given the chance, and if you can't see how much of that is a walking contradiction. On you wanting to kill Aj, but your willing to give Marlon a second chance after everything he did. Then were going to end this discussion right now.
If he continues to be an uncontrollable problem that causes the deaths of others. I, unlike you 100% firmly believe that Marlon was no longe… morer a threat and was prepared to let him stay at the school. So I saw no need to kill him.
I’m a little tired of the Marlon wasn’t a good person so he deserved it argument. Guess what? That’s your perspective. My perspective was that Marlon was a scared kid who made some pretty bad mistakes. But I forgave him for those mistakes and was about to give him a second chance. So from my point of view Marlon didn’t deserve to die and AJ was out of line. I’m really not going to go back and forth with people because they think Marlon was a piece of shit who deserved to die and I don’t. I’m bowing out of this argument.
That's a contradiction, your willing to give a second chance to Marlon but your not prepared to give one to Aj. Marlon did way worse stuff… more than Aj did, and that's a fact. And I could care less whether or not you fill like Marlon should get a second chance . But if you don't think Aj should get one your blinded by fanboyism. And since when was Aj an uncontrollable problem? Because he killed Marlon, a teenager who sold out his own friends and killed one of them to keep his secret. He tried to have clem killed in the basement threatened her with a gun, and would of sold both Aj and clementine to the raiders. Had he been given the chance, and if you can't see how much of that is a walking contradiction. On you wanting to kill Aj, but your willing to give Marlon a second chance after everything he did. Then were going to end this discussion right now.
Also one ACCIDENTALY kills someone, the other killed ON PURPOSE
Doesn't mean Marlon shouldn't have been punished, doesn't mean AJ shouldn't be punished, not by death of course, but AJ seriously need to calm the f down, because if he didn't feel anything while killing that person then he is seriously messed up.
That's a contradiction, your willing to give a second chance to Marlon but your not prepared to give one to Aj. Marlon did way worse stuff… more than Aj did, and that's a fact. And I could care less whether or not you fill like Marlon should get a second chance . But if you don't think Aj should get one your blinded by fanboyism. And since when was Aj an uncontrollable problem? Because he killed Marlon, a teenager who sold out his own friends and killed one of them to keep his secret. He tried to have clem killed in the basement threatened her with a gun, and would of sold both Aj and clementine to the raiders. Had he been given the chance, and if you can't see how much of that is a walking contradiction. On you wanting to kill Aj, but your willing to give Marlon a second chance after everything he did. Then were going to end this discussion right now.
Well maybe be a little more clear, because I fail to see how Aj is a danger to others in general. Now if you mean people like Marlon I don't see why that would be a problem, maybe for you because you like excusing his behavior and chalk it up to him making mistakes. News flash there not mistakes anymore when you keep doing the same shit like Marlon was.
I agree, because it wasn't Aj's call to make even though I understand why he did it. Also Marlon did way worse than just accidentally kill someone, he tried to kill clementine locking her in the basement with the zombie counts as that. I mean how anyone could defend him is beyond me.
Also one ACCIDENTALY kills someone, the other killed ON PURPOSE
Doesn't mean Marlon shouldn't have been punished, doesn't mean AJ shouldn… more't be punished, not by death of course, but AJ seriously need to calm the f down, because if he didn't feel anything while killing that person then he is seriously messed up.
Pretty sure he wasn't thinking about Brody turning at this point, in any case i'm done arguing, i've spend almost all day arguing on this forum I'm so tired xD
I agree, because it wasn't Aj's call to make even though I understand why he did it. Also Marlon did way worse than just accidentally kill s… moreomeone, he tried to kill clementine locking her in the basement with the zombie counts as that. I mean how anyone could defend him is beyond me.
Pretty sure he wasn't thinking about Brody turning at this point, in any case i'm done arguing, i've spend almost all day arguing on this forum I'm so tired xD
In AJ's case, it'd be more along the lines of he doesn't value human life at all.
The child soldiers example (known for the lack of empathy) applies here. AJ's morality hasn't developed yet just like child soldiers' morality hasn't
He sees humans as just another thing that he has to be afraid of
As everyone at this point should. Strangers pose the biggest threat, not walkers
If he can't come to terms with the fact that people can make mistakes, sometimes horrible mistakes but they don't always have to be killed, he's a danger to everyone around him, including Clem.
I agree they don't always have to be killed and AJ was wrong when he shot Marlon but it is understandable why he did it. Just like it is understandable why Marlon traded those girls.
And holy shit, if everyone in the group pulled the same type of shit Marlon did, then yes, AJ is a danger to them
The comparison to Lizzie is simply to show that she was a danger to everyone and could not be helped. AJ may well be in the same boat, but o… morebviously not the exact same situation. In AJ's case, it'd be more along the lines of he doesn't value human life at all. He sees humans as just another thing that he has to be afraid of. If he can't come to terms with the fact that people can make mistakes, sometimes horrible mistakes but they don't always have to be killed, he's a danger to everyone around him, including Clem.
So Marlon wouldn't be a threat to them anymore than he already has been. Now nor the future.
but it traumatises them, they are not normal
So AJ, a kid born into a post-apocolyptic walker hell hole, isn't traumatised and is normal?
you don't know how YOU would react if you were put through the same things as Marlon.
Same could be said about AJ. You wouldn't know how you would react if your 6 year old self had been through what AJ has been through.
Marlon never had ill intentions, he wanted to save everyone,
With the twins he didn't but after Brody told the truth he had pretty fucking ill intentions. First trying to get Clem killed by walker Brody and then framing Clem for murder while trying get the others to justify shooting Clem. "We would all be safer, once I pull this trigger"
there is a lot of things that are taught but human empathy is a natural evolution of men
Yes, and it develops. AJ is six, it hasn't developed for him yet. For example, children tear legs off of insects for the sake of it. I remember destroying a big ass ants nest and shooting a squirrel with a BB-gun when I was a dumbass kid. Nowadays I wouldn't even imagine doing those things. And that's just a example from real life, Imagine it in a world as fucked up as TWD.
How on earth did he protected Clementine ? She wasn't in danger at all, he was unarmed and weeping.
Also yet again empathy is natural, it's… more not so easy to kill someone, war children get used to kill, but it traumatises them, they are not normal, AJ never killed a human being, it shouldn't have been so easy unless he is kinda deranged.
What Marlon did doesn't make it ok but if you want to stay civilized then you can't kill Marlon, emotions are complex and you've gotta learn to put yourself in people's shoes, you don't know how YOU would react if you were put through the same things as Marlon.
Marlon never had ill intentions, he wanted to save everyone, just for that he doesn't deserve to die, sure he is a coward, but just like most people, unfortunately he was charged of being the leader and had to put a facade to appear strong to put other at ease. My point with Lee is that Marlon deserves to die but Lee don't ? Because you like Lee ?
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I said empathy in babies too, it's hard for toddlers to have empathy for other beings other than humans, and sometimes they don't know what hurts or not that's why some babies can be "cruel", but AJ clearly knows all these concepts, he is young but old enough to understand pain, death and killing. In any case for me Marlon should have been left alive, should have to do extra work and risky work and try to serve everyone the best he could. AJ needs to be grounded, his gun confiscated and severely lectured about killing other human beings.
Honestly I kinda don't care that Marvin is dead, it's just that I was so pissed at AJ, and his "innocent" line at the end made me want to punch him in the face.
How on earth did he protected Clementine ?
So Marlon wouldn't be a threat to them anymore than he already has been. Now nor the futu… morere.
but it traumatises them, they are not normal
So AJ, a kid born into a post-apocolyptic walker hell hole, isn't traumatised and is normal?
you don't know how YOU would react if you were put through the same things as Marlon.
Same could be said about AJ. You wouldn't know how you would react if your 6 year old self had been through what AJ has been through.
Marlon never had ill intentions, he wanted to save everyone,
With the twins he didn't but after Brody told the truth he had pretty fucking ill intentions. First trying to get Clem killed by walker Brody and then framing Clem for murder while trying get the others to justify shooting Clem. "We would all be safer, once I pull this trigger"
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In any case for me Marlon should have been left alive
Or atleast not have AJ nor probably Clem to kill him (I told him that he's going to the basement until we figure out what to do with him)
Honestly I kinda don't care that Marvin is dead
Yup, I don't mind that he's dead but I wouldn't mind if he would be imprisoned in the cellar. Though AJ did save the group the trouble of figuring out what to do with him
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
I was deliberately avoiding clicking this thread too until I saw it reach a certain number of comments, but I honestly don't have anything to say.
And you know what, I really don't think this thread is worth it.
I was deliberately avoiding clicking this thread too until I saw it reach a certain number of comments, but I honestly don't have anything to say.
And you know what, I really don't think this thread is worth it.
There aren't any contradictions here besides yourself. Considering you immediately resorted to a straw man argument in the beginning of your reply explains a lot about you. You aren't here to concede to, or legitimately consider views that oppose your own. You're simply here to argue & relentlessly concoct more and more outlandish, straw-man arguments under the guise that you're this morally upstanding contrarian that is privy to something about AJ the rest of us aren't.
Marlon didn't shoot anyone in the back of the head, execution style. Had AJ never committed this unwarranted atrocity, we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we?
Can AJ undo what he did and save Marlon? No. He can't bring him back the same way Marlon admitted he wanted to stage a rescue party to reclaim Tenn's sisters, can he? AJ can't do anything helpful to undo his cold-blooded murder except, claim he wish he didn't do it episodes later. His lack of remorse is immediately hinted at, exactly when we see he took the shot. Without reading too much into it, his line of "What? I saved the last one for myself.", wasn't just slipped in as a callback to earlier dialogue. It also served as a parallel/catch 22 to demonstrate the concept of life having precious insurmountable value and living to die a meaningful death being relatively non-existent to him. Otherwise, he would've understood why Clem didn't feel it was necessary to kill him herself. Exile & 2nd chances be damned, Clem has witnessed far worse. Think Larry. Think Carver's skull. Think Kenny vs Jane. Hell, think Michelle's murder of Omid w/ Clem's own gun.
If she believed Marlon had to die by her hands or even by AJ's, the writers would've given us that dialogue option. Much like the unreliable option we received with Abel. Since they consciously made the decision to delegate this task to AJ and make it mandatory without any user input to object, or even instruct for it to happen, is enough evidence in and of itself that we're expected to examine what's going on w/ this kid's psyche a little more closely. It isn't just because they want us to care about him & develop the same sense of responsibility we developed with Clem as Lee.
His alleged constant listening but signs of exhibiting oppositional defiant disorder, getting excited if you push Abel out the window, & emphasizing he killed a fish rather than caught, are all telling signs. Just because he's always listening doesn't mean he's listening for the right reasons; or that he can deduce the intended applicable context from the information he's heard. As E1 has clearly demonstrated, it's both.
@DEMVIDEOGAMESAREGOOD1728 & others sharing a similar perspective, remind me of the kind of parents, that when presented with conclusive evidence their child is disturbed, they reject the idea entirely.
AJ doesn't get why those kids are together and are trying to continue to survive. He doesn't understand why life is precious & why those kids have banded together to try and continue living. It's just kill or be killed in his mind, that's all he knows & that isn't okay. This could lead to AJ growing up into a Nate type character. Nate was going to kill that old couple, regardless of Russell's response much like how AJ was going to kill Marlon from the start. I could argue the don't hesitate is also connected to the idea that you shouldn't pull a gun on someone unless you INTEND to shoot them. You really think if Clem never emerged from the basement, Marlon wasn't still getting shot?
"What? I didn't hesitate" is also telling for his last bullet. It's highly likely that he wouldn't hesitate to take his own life, permitted, he has no other way out. Why should he? He's already demonstrated he wouldn't hesitate to kill others, given the opportunity & right circumstance. Coincidentally, that's exactly what his murder of Marlon involved!
Circumstance = Clem getting locked in the basement + the conveniently rushed climax that provided us with 'unexpected revelations' about Marlon & the bandits.
Opportunity = AJ temporarily lost gun (oddly hesitated?) to Marlon, but AJ never lost his determination to get it back & finish what he was going to do from the start. In AJ's mind, this was happening regardless if Clem made it out the basement for her telling SNL monologue or not.
Said monologue distracts Marlon & gets him off his guard. Viola! Opportunity arrives as the gun is dropped & available for AJ to reclaim. "Game on, now I can shoot this f--k like I should have 5 minutes ago." Bam. "What? I saved the last one for meeeee." Homicide Report: Self-appointed Eriscson Boarding School leader fired, literally.
That's a contradiction, your willing to give a second chance to Marlon but your not prepared to give one to Aj. Marlon did way worse stuff… more than Aj did, and that's a fact. And I could care less whether or not you fill like Marlon should get a second chance . But if you don't think Aj should get one your blinded by fanboyism. And since when was Aj an uncontrollable problem? Because he killed Marlon, a teenager who sold out his own friends and killed one of them to keep his secret. He tried to have clem killed in the basement threatened her with a gun, and would of sold both Aj and clementine to the raiders. Had he been given the chance, and if you can't see how much of that is a walking contradiction. On you wanting to kill Aj, but your willing to give Marlon a second chance after everything he did. Then were going to end this discussion right now.
There aren't any contradictions here besides yourself. Considering you immediately resorted to a straw man argument in the beginning of your reply explains a lot about you. You aren't here to concede to, or legitimately consider views that oppose your own. You're simply here to argue & relentlessly concoct more and more outlandish, straw-man arguments under the guise that you're this morally upstanding contrarian that is privy to something about AJ the rest of us aren't.
What makes you think I won't consider opposing views and perspectives? Your Just like every other Marlon fanboy who has no real evidence to support what there saying. And instead of trying to understand Aj' motives you jump on the hate train because he killed your favorite character. So whos the real morally upstanding contrarian hmmm?
Can AJ undo what he did and save Marlon? No. He can't bring him back the same way Marlon admitted he wanted to stage a rescue party to reclaim Tenn's sisters, can he? AJ can't do anything helpful to undo his cold-blooded murder except, claim he wish he didn't do it episodes later. His lack of remorse is immediately hinted at, exactly when we see he took the shot. Without reading too much into it, his line of "What? I saved the last one for myself.", wasn't just slipped in as a callback to earlier dialogue. It also served as a parallel/catch 22 to demonstrate the concept of life having precious insurmountable value and living to die a meaningful death being relatively non-existent to him. Otherwise, he would've understood why Clem didn't feel it was necessary to kill him herself. Exile & 2nd chances be damned, Clem has witnessed far worse. Think Larry. Think Carver's skull. Think Kenny vs Jane. Hell, think Michelle's murder of Omid w/ Clem's own gun.
I don't care how much remorse Marlon he has.Most killers when there caught have remorse, how the heck do you know if Aj dosent have remorse once he realized what he did was wrong.
If she believed Marlon had to die by her hands or even by AJ's, the writers would've given us that dialogue option. Much like the unreliable option we received with Abel. Since they consciously made the decision to delegate this task to AJ and make it mandatory without any user input to object, or even instruct for it to happen, is enough evidence in and of itself that we're expected to examine what's going on w/ this kid's psyche a little more closely. It isn't just because they want us to care about him & develop the same sense of responsibility we developed with Clem as Lee.
Your rambling, and you excuse this wall of text for an actual argument and its embarrassing.Your literally pointing something out that most of us knew sherlock, not that impressive so no cookie.
His alleged constant listening but signs of exhibiting oppositional defiant disorder, getting excited if you push Abel out the window, & emphasizing he killed a fish rather than caught, are all telling signs. Just because he's always listening doesn't mean he's listening for the right reasons; or that he can deduce the intended applicable context from the information he's heard. As E1 has clearly demonstrated, it's both.
There signs to you, I think that's normal behavior for a boy his age and the circumstances
hes dealing with try again.
@DEMVIDEOGAMESAREGOOD1728 & others sharing a similar perspective, remind me of the kind of parents, that when presented with conclusive evidence their child is disturbed, they reject the idea entirely.
So i'm assuming marlon is your disturbed child, considering you've yet to bring any conclusive evidence to this argument. All im getting from you is marlon did nothing wrong.
AJ doesn't get why those kids are together and are trying to continue to survive. He doesn't understand why life is precious & why those kids have banded together to try and continue living. It's just kill or be killed in his mind, that's all he knows & that isn't okay. This could lead to AJ growing up into a Nate type character. Nate was going to kill that old couple, regardless of Russell's response much like how AJ was going to kill Marlon from the start. I could argue the don't hesitate is also connected to the idea that you shouldn't pull a gun on someone unless you INTEND to shoot them. You really think if Clem never emerged from the basement, Marlon wasn't still getting shot?
You know I hate this reasoning you Marlon fanboys are using, just because he killed that piece of shit Marlon doesn't mean he's going grow up into Nate. Wrong context because Nate killed and innocent old couple, and since your so understanding of moralities you should be able to grasp a single concept like that right? I guess not because you keep using the same foolish argument to make your point. And of course Aj would've killed Marlon, had she not left the basement but we have no way knowing. But here's a better question if clementine din't leave the basement, that would imply she's dead correct would you still want mercy for your precious Marlon?
What? I didn't hesitate" is also telling for his last bullet. It's highly likely that he wouldn't hesitate to take his own life, permitted, he has no other way out. Why should he? He's already demonstrated he wouldn't hesitate to kill others, given the opportunity & right circumstance. Coincidentally, that's exactly what his murder of Marlon involved!
You know that's not conclusive evidence to concede a point right? why don't you explain how the rest of those dialogue options explain Aj's character. Instead of cherry picking one to fit your baseless argument.
And i'm not going to bother replying to the rest of this dribble, I mean I dont think your taking any of this seriously with all those giphys anyway. Like have some class, jeeze.
There aren't any contradictions here besides yourself. Considering you immediately resorted to a straw man argument in the beginning of your… more reply explains a lot about you. You aren't here to concede to, or legitimately consider views that oppose your own. You're simply here to argue & relentlessly concoct more and more outlandish, straw-man arguments under the guise that you're this morally upstanding contrarian that is privy to something about AJ the rest of us aren't.
Marlon didn't shoot anyone in the back of the head, execution style. Had AJ never committed this unwarranted atrocity, we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we?
Can AJ undo what he did and save Marlon? No. He can't bring him back the same way Marlon admitted he wanted to stage a rescue party to reclaim Tenn's sisters, can he? AJ can't do anything helpful to undo his cold-blooded murder except, claim he wish he didn't do it episodes later. His lack of re… [view original content]
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I don't see any scenario where killing Aj is necessary. I feel like you guys are just looking for reasons to kill a six year old, thats so sick.
hes a video game character,this isn't real! and a poor one at that xD
Apart from if he gets bit.
I feel like that's really a cheap excuse to use and I know its not real thank you, it still disgusts me no less about the comments im seeing. Its like someone saying I want to rape a video game character, it doesn't make it any less creepy just because its a video game.
Well at that point he's dead already depending on where he was bit.
I really really hope we'll be able to make AJ a good person because the end of episode 1 made me want to bitch slap him.
Like I said, if he can't adjust to being around people he's a threat to everyone around him. It's not ideal, but that's how it'd have to be. They don't have child psychologists to try and help him. It's kinda' like if you have a bunch of dogs and one of them gets rabies. The only thing you can do is put the rabid dog down before it kills or infects the others. Obviously AJ can't really infect anyone, but he can kill other people. It's the same reason Carol killed Lizzie in the show. Lizzie was a danger to everyone around her and they didn't have any way to help her.
There'd be 3 options with AJ if he continues to kill people.
If AJ does, then it should be because of a bite. If we taught AJ to save the last bullet for himself, then he shoots himself, but otherwise, Clem does.
Innocent people, I feel like we should clarify this because he hasn't killed anyone innocent.You can't compare Aj to lizzie because she killed someone that was innocent her sister.
Now out of all your options, I think option 2 just shows me how much love you dont have for Aj. I don't think clementine would let Aj fend for himself outside of the community, she would just go with him. Remember she loves this boy like her own son she's not going to abandon him. Also for option 3, do you think it would of been the right thing to do for Marlon? because he was a danger to the group as well.
Marlon wasn't innocent, you're right, but he wasn't a threat in the moment and AJ wasn't justified in killing him minutes after he'd dropped his gun and surrendered.
Imagine AJ was a cop. Criminal took his (AJ's) weapon and used it to hold his partner (Clem) hostage. Criminal is talked down and drops his gun and surrenders, or he's disarmed and surrenders, either way, he is no longer armed and has surrendered. As the criminal presents himself to AJ's partner for arrest with tears in eyes, cop (AJ) picks his gun up and kills the criminal. It's just not justified. Period. End. There's nothing anyone can say that justifies killing someone who has surrendered and is unarmed. Even in war that's not ok and soldiers who kill prisoners are guilty of war crimes.
I agree with everything you posted, but turning right around and thinking about killing Aj isn't the answer. Also i'm not trying to justify what Aj did, I just understand what Aj did was clearly out of anger for Marlon threatening Clementine .
Damn right man, I certainly don't want to kill AJ if we don't have to, hell I don't want to kill anyone if I don't have to, but if at the end of episode 4 he is still a little shit then I'm guessing I will have no choice.
I hope we are able to steer him towards the good path and that Telltale isn't gonna pull a John Doe on us where he is bad no matter what.
Omfg, you make it sound like AJ shot Marlon just for the sake of killing someone...
Hah, "After arguments", quite a subtle way to describe that situation
And are your really comparing AJ to Lizzie? Lizzie killed her own fucking sister to show that "zombies are people too" or some stupid shit like that. AJ shot a person he barely knew because the person acted as a threat to him and his mother-figure Clementine.
To put it crudely: Don't wanna get shot? Don't pose as a threat, don't fuck with AJ nor Clem.
What you're suggesting AJ to be like: Eyyyy lmaoooo killed Ruby coz fuck that bitch am I right?
Eh no it's exactly what he did, literally- he shot Marlon in the back of his skull because he thought he was saving others, whether he did or not is not the point. It's beyond me how you defend Marlon, a guy who gives two innocent people to raiders, lies about it for a year, kills one of the two people who knew about it and then blames their death on the other one, yet you immediately want to murder a kid because he doesn't understand what he did was wrong. You people are hypocrites.
You complain about simplifying yet you simplify things yourself, Marlon is more useful alive than dead, and also Brody's death was an accident, Lee killed a senator no ? But he gets a pass ? Marlon did the best he could to protect the group, he had to make sacrifices, maybe he could have done things differently, maybe not, but you seem to forget this is a community of kids, Marlon was a kid still.
AJ shot an unarmed crying and begging man and doesn't understand what he did wrong, clearly something is up with AJ.
The comparison to Lizzie is simply to show that she was a danger to everyone and could not be helped. AJ may well be in the same boat, but obviously not the exact same situation. In AJ's case, it'd be more along the lines of he doesn't value human life at all. He sees humans as just another thing that he has to be afraid of. If he can't come to terms with the fact that people can make mistakes, sometimes horrible mistakes but they don't always have to be killed, he's a danger to everyone around him, including Clem.
Yep and even David would be proud of the Tyke.
Never said that he wasn't
Oh, so thats what makes it ok? And he sure as shit didn't "accidentally" hit her
Never said anything about Lee nor does his actions have anything to do with this
Exactly, he sacrificed the twins, pretty sure they didn't volunteer to be sacrificed and neither did Clem and AJ for the matter of fact
AJ is still a kid, heck AJ is like 10+ years younger than Marlon
What is he, 6 years old? Like I've commented before, child soldiers are known to lack empathy. Moral hasn't developed to AJ much like it hasn't developed to those child soldiers.
Same could be said about AJ. He did the best he could to protect Clem.
If he continues to be an uncontrollable problem that causes the deaths of others. I, unlike you 100% firmly believe that Marlon was no longer a threat and was prepared to let him stay at the school. So I saw no need to kill him.
I’m a little tired of the Marlon wasn’t a good person so he deserved it argument. Guess what? That’s your perspective. My perspective was that Marlon was a scared kid who made some pretty bad mistakes. But I forgave him for those mistakes and was about to give him a second chance. So from my point of view Marlon didn’t deserve to die and AJ was out of line. I’m really not going to go back and forth with people because they think Marlon was a piece of shit who deserved to die and I don’t. I’m bowing out of this argument.
How on earth did he protected Clementine ? She wasn't in danger at all, he was unarmed and weeping.
Also yet again empathy is natural, it's not so easy to kill someone, war children get used to kill, but it traumatises them, they are not normal, AJ never killed a human being, it shouldn't have been so easy unless he is kinda deranged.
What Marlon did doesn't make it ok but if you want to stay civilized then you can't kill Marlon, emotions are complex and you've gotta learn to put yourself in people's shoes, you don't know how YOU would react if you were put through the same things as Marlon.
Marlon never had ill intentions, he wanted to save everyone, just for that he doesn't deserve to die, sure he is a coward, but just like most people, unfortunately he was charged of being the leader and had to put a facade to appear strong to put other at ease. My point with Lee is that Marlon deserves to die but Lee don't ? Because you like Lee ?
Sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good, that's what Marlon did, either he handed two of his people or they were all gonna get killed.
And yet again babies are shown to have empathy towards others, there is a lot of things that are taught but human empathy is a natural evolution of men, that's what makes you feel bad when you see someone hurt, why you put yourself in other people's shoes, and why it's hard to kill another human being, and also traumatizing.
That's a contradiction, your willing to give a second chance to Marlon but your not prepared to give one to Aj. Marlon did way worse stuff than Aj did, and that's a fact. And I could care less whether or not you fill like Marlon should get a second chance . But if you don't think Aj should get one your blinded by fanboyism. And since when was Aj an uncontrollable problem? Because he killed Marlon, a teenager who sold out his own friends and killed one of them to keep his secret. He tried to have clem killed in the basement threatened her with a gun, and would of sold both Aj and clementine to the raiders. Had he been given the chance, and if you can't see how much of that is a walking contradiction. On you wanting to kill Aj, but your willing to give Marlon a second chance after everything he did. Then were going to end this discussion right now.
Did you miss the part where I said IF AJ CONTINUED to be a danger to other people or did you just choose to ignore that part? I bet it’s the latter.
Also one ACCIDENTALY kills someone, the other killed ON PURPOSE
Doesn't mean Marlon shouldn't have been punished, doesn't mean AJ shouldn't be punished, not by death of course, but AJ seriously need to calm the f down, because if he didn't feel anything while killing that person then he is seriously messed up.
Well maybe be a little more clear, because I fail to see how Aj is a danger to others in general. Now if you mean people like Marlon I don't see why that would be a problem, maybe for you because you like excusing his behavior and chalk it up to him making mistakes. News flash there not mistakes anymore when you keep doing the same shit like Marlon was.
I agree, because it wasn't Aj's call to make even though I understand why he did it. Also Marlon did way worse than just accidentally kill someone, he tried to kill clementine locking her in the basement with the zombie counts as that. I mean how anyone could defend him is beyond me.
Pretty sure he wasn't thinking about Brody turning at this point, in any case i'm done arguing, i've spend almost all day arguing on this forum I'm so tired xD
Dude he literally said "she's gonna turn" before bolting out of there and locking Clementine in there.
The child soldiers example (known for the lack of empathy) applies here. AJ's morality hasn't developed yet just like child soldiers' morality hasn't
As everyone at this point should. Strangers pose the biggest threat, not walkers
I agree they don't always have to be killed and AJ was wrong when he shot Marlon but it is understandable why he did it. Just like it is understandable why Marlon traded those girls.
And holy shit, if everyone in the group pulled the same type of shit Marlon did, then yes, AJ is a danger to them
So Marlon wouldn't be a threat to them anymore than he already has been. Now nor the future.
So AJ, a kid born into a post-apocolyptic walker hell hole, isn't traumatised and is normal?
Same could be said about AJ. You wouldn't know how you would react if your 6 year old self had been through what AJ has been through.
With the twins he didn't but after Brody told the truth he had pretty fucking ill intentions. First trying to get Clem killed by walker Brody and then framing Clem for murder while trying get the others to justify shooting Clem. "We would all be safer, once I pull this trigger"
Yes, and it develops. AJ is six, it hasn't developed for him yet. For example, children tear legs off of insects for the sake of it. I remember destroying a big ass ants nest and shooting a squirrel with a BB-gun when I was a dumbass kid. Nowadays I wouldn't even imagine doing those things. And that's just a example from real life, Imagine it in a world as fucked up as TWD.
I said empathy in babies too, it's hard for toddlers to have empathy for other beings other than humans, and sometimes they don't know what hurts or not that's why some babies can be "cruel", but AJ clearly knows all these concepts, he is young but old enough to understand pain, death and killing. In any case for me Marlon should have been left alive, should have to do extra work and risky work and try to serve everyone the best he could. AJ needs to be grounded, his gun confiscated and severely lectured about killing other human beings.
Honestly I kinda don't care that Marvin is dead, it's just that I was so pissed at AJ, and his "innocent" line at the end made me want to punch him in the face.
Or atleast not have AJ nor probably Clem to kill him (I told him that he's going to the basement until we figure out what to do with him)
Yup, I don't mind that he's dead but I wouldn't mind if he would be imprisoned in the cellar. Though AJ did save the group the trouble of figuring out what to do with him
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
Shut the ***** up you ***** asshole don't tell me what to do dipshi***
Absolutely, sorry!
RIP
I was deliberately avoiding clicking this thread too until I saw it reach a certain number of comments, but I honestly don't have anything to say.
And you know what, I really don't think this thread is worth it.
lol
There aren't any contradictions here besides yourself. Considering you immediately resorted to a straw man argument in the beginning of your reply explains a lot about you. You aren't here to concede to, or legitimately consider views that oppose your own. You're simply here to argue & relentlessly concoct more and more outlandish, straw-man arguments under the guise that you're this morally upstanding contrarian that is privy to something about AJ the rest of us aren't.
Marlon didn't shoot anyone in the back of the head, execution style. Had AJ never committed this unwarranted atrocity, we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we?
Can AJ undo what he did and save Marlon? No. He can't bring him back the same way Marlon admitted he wanted to stage a rescue party to reclaim Tenn's sisters, can he? AJ can't do anything helpful to undo his cold-blooded murder except, claim he wish he didn't do it episodes later. His lack of remorse is immediately hinted at, exactly when we see he took the shot. Without reading too much into it, his line of "What? I saved the last one for myself.", wasn't just slipped in as a callback to earlier dialogue. It also served as a parallel/catch 22 to demonstrate the concept of life having precious insurmountable value and living to die a meaningful death being relatively non-existent to him. Otherwise, he would've understood why Clem didn't feel it was necessary to kill him herself. Exile & 2nd chances be damned, Clem has witnessed far worse. Think Larry. Think Carver's skull. Think Kenny vs Jane. Hell, think Michelle's murder of Omid w/ Clem's own gun.
If she believed Marlon had to die by her hands or even by AJ's, the writers would've given us that dialogue option. Much like the unreliable option we received with Abel. Since they consciously made the decision to delegate this task to AJ and make it mandatory without any user input to object, or even instruct for it to happen, is enough evidence in and of itself that we're expected to examine what's going on w/ this kid's psyche a little more closely. It isn't just because they want us to care about him & develop the same sense of responsibility we developed with Clem as Lee.
His alleged constant listening but signs of exhibiting oppositional defiant disorder, getting excited if you push Abel out the window, & emphasizing he killed a fish rather than caught, are all telling signs. Just because he's always listening doesn't mean he's listening for the right reasons; or that he can deduce the intended applicable context from the information he's heard. As E1 has clearly demonstrated, it's both.
@DEMVIDEOGAMESAREGOOD1728 & others sharing a similar perspective, remind me of the kind of parents, that when presented with conclusive evidence their child is disturbed, they reject the idea entirely.
AJ doesn't get why those kids are together and are trying to continue to survive. He doesn't understand why life is precious & why those kids have banded together to try and continue living. It's just kill or be killed in his mind, that's all he knows & that isn't okay. This could lead to AJ growing up into a Nate type character. Nate was going to kill that old couple, regardless of Russell's response much like how AJ was going to kill Marlon from the start. I could argue the don't hesitate is also connected to the idea that you shouldn't pull a gun on someone unless you INTEND to shoot them. You really think if Clem never emerged from the basement, Marlon wasn't still getting shot?
"What? I didn't hesitate" is also telling for his last bullet. It's highly likely that he wouldn't hesitate to take his own life, permitted, he has no other way out. Why should he? He's already demonstrated he wouldn't hesitate to kill others, given the opportunity & right circumstance. Coincidentally, that's exactly what his murder of Marlon involved!
Circumstance = Clem getting locked in the basement + the conveniently rushed climax that provided us with 'unexpected revelations' about Marlon & the bandits.
Opportunity = AJ temporarily lost gun (oddly hesitated?) to Marlon, but AJ never lost his determination to get it back & finish what he was going to do from the start. In AJ's mind, this was happening regardless if Clem made it out the basement for her telling SNL monologue or not.
Said monologue distracts Marlon & gets him off his guard. Viola! Opportunity arrives as the gun is dropped & available for AJ to reclaim. "Game on, now I can shoot this f--k like I should have 5 minutes ago." Bam. "What? I saved the last one for meeeee." Homicide Report: Self-appointed Eriscson Boarding School leader fired, literally.
What makes you think I won't consider opposing views and perspectives? Your Just like every other Marlon fanboy who has no real evidence to support what there saying. And instead of trying to understand Aj' motives you jump on the hate train because he killed your favorite character. So whos the real morally upstanding contrarian hmmm?
I don't care how much remorse Marlon he has.Most killers when there caught have remorse, how the heck do you know if Aj dosent have remorse once he realized what he did was wrong.
Your rambling, and you excuse this wall of text for an actual argument and its embarrassing.Your literally pointing something out that most of us knew sherlock, not that impressive so no cookie.
There signs to you, I think that's normal behavior for a boy his age and the circumstances
hes dealing with try again.
So i'm assuming marlon is your disturbed child, considering you've yet to bring any conclusive evidence to this argument. All im getting from you is marlon did nothing wrong.
You know I hate this reasoning you Marlon fanboys are using, just because he killed that piece of shit Marlon doesn't mean he's going grow up into Nate. Wrong context because Nate killed and innocent old couple, and since your so understanding of moralities you should be able to grasp a single concept like that right? I guess not because you keep using the same foolish argument to make your point. And of course Aj would've killed Marlon, had she not left the basement but we have no way knowing. But here's a better question if clementine din't leave the basement, that would imply she's dead correct would you still want mercy for your precious Marlon?
You know that's not conclusive evidence to concede a point right? why don't you explain how the rest of those dialogue options explain Aj's character. Instead of cherry picking one to fit your baseless argument.
And i'm not going to bother replying to the rest of this dribble, I mean I dont think your taking any of this seriously with all those giphys anyway. Like have some class, jeeze.
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Hmmm.... If he was attempting to kill a five year old boy?