I don't understand people justifying AJ killing Marlon.
I'm not defending Marlon, I'm just saying that he deserved a better punishment, not the one that he got. AJ murdered an unarmed kid, so unjustified.
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I'm not defending Marlon, I'm just saying that he deserved a better punishment, not the one that he got. AJ murdered an unarmed kid, so unjustified.
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How come no one here supports capital punishment smh. Some people deserve to die, that's just how it is.
AJ needs to learn how to kill eventually so why not start with the human-shaped piece of shit that is Marlon?
Captial punishment? You mean execution. Murder. That's not justice but vengence.
Justified murder, yes. (Dude you can't just edit your comment like that after I responded to it. That shit is not fair lol)
It doesn't matter if he did bad decisions, Marlon didn't deserve to be shot right away. Did you forget that he can drop his gun? SMH, why would you say AJ did the right thing after Marlon just giving up and admitting his mistakes? Sophie and Minerva aren't even dead, just taken away.
It's a cool storyline. If you, as yourself see the kids at Ericson's as weak. Which would be understandable considering where they are, and where Clem came from.
It reminds me a lot of Rick, Daryl, and Carol(tv) when they first got to Alexandria. They see this towering beacon, then look at the people who built it, and are confused by it.
Not saying I agree with telling AJ he's justified, just that I get it. The kids at Ericson's haven't been through what Clem has. So I feel as though people have the right to do as they see fit. If you wanted to kill Marlon for what he did, or were going to anyway, I get it. For me, I saw what Louis talked to Clem about. I saw this broken kid, who was in way over his head, and wanted to help him come back.
Also, I love how ambiguous the choice is. If you say he's a muderer, which I don't really see as a bad thing considering My Clem, and My Lee are both murderers as well, it says "You taught AJ to regret his actions". And if you tell him he's justified, it says "You taught AJ to defend his actions". I don't want my baby 2nd guessing himself, just want him to think before pulling the trigger.
Which is why I told him he could have his dibs on Abel, and I hope they give us the chance to give it to him. I want to teach him the differences, between killing a threat, and making a mistake.
He gave away 2 people to Lilly's group just to save his own skin. He said he would to it again if they came back.
He was going to give AJ and Clem away too.
He killed Brody.
He locked Clem in the basement with a walker.
He tried to blame Clem for the murder of Brody.
He was going to shoot Clem if Violet/Louis didn't intervene.
These are the reasons why Marlon deserved to die. It doesn't matter if he was unarmed at that moment.
What is your definition of a "better punishment"? None of the other punishments would have ended up working out.
AJ shooting an unarmed Marlon from behind was an unfortunate way for it to happen but I truly don't see another option that wouldn't be incredibly risky and detrimental to the group. Marlon proved that he isn't above trading group members away, killing, and lying to the group about it. There's no coming back from that.
I actually agree with you. What Marlon did was wrong, but what AJ did was also wrong. However, I don't know what we should do with Marlon at that point. We can't let him go. He would most likely run into Lilly and Abel and he could help them get into the school because he knew the place inside out. He isn't trustworthy judging by his records. If we keep him as a prisoner, maybe someone will eventually start to pity him and let him out. He's their friend and leader for many years after all.
You keep saying that he didn't deserve it, yet you don't give me any reason why.
Yes it does matter. AJ, him and Clem being guests in a new community, killed the leader of the group, were you actually expecting applause from his old friends for murdering their leader? I would have been angry as hell to a new guest who killed my best friend. If anything, the group had every right to distrust Clem and AJ for this change.
All I'm saying is that Marlon deserved a better punishment, not instant-murder. That's not how it works. If he did kill Sophie and Minerva instead of give them away, then he would have deserved it.
I said he didn't deserve that type of punishment. You can't just instant murder him just for a few mistakes.
These are not simple mistakes. His actions led to the death of at least one person, and had the potential to lead to many more.
If Marlon did the same thing as Badger from ANF, then he would have deserved it but both are different people.
Listen man. I have given you several reasons why he deserved to die. All you have said so far is basically "No". You gotta give me some reason why he didn't deserve what he got.
Regardless of whether or not you believe Marlon deserved to die, it's still important you let AJ know why the way he went about it was wrong.
AJ and Clem were newcomers in this group that had been together for years, and obviously the decision of what to do with him is one that the group would (rightfully) all want to decide together in a calm environment. AJ being brand new into this group and taking it upon himself to immediately execute their ex-leader is dangerously rash and brazen and he needs at least this explained to him.
I don't quite understand it either. In my playthrough I told AJ that what he did was murder and not necessary. Afterwards I said he was not a monster and also that Marlon deserved way better than just being shot like this. Although I couldn't care less about him for the things he has done, I still think he wasn't a bad person. He didn't mean to harm anybody, which doesn't matter when you keep messing up though. In my opinion the others should have decided about his faith, this way it's only fair. For myself, I can't exactly say what he deserved. Just aslong as he IS punished, I would be okay with it I guess.
There's really no middle group in explaining it to him though. He either feels justified for protecting Clem or he internalizes the fact that he's a murderer. If there was a middle option of telling him that it was justified but that he shouldn't kill an unarmed person who had surrendered I would have taken it, but with the options I was given I would rather not make AJ feel demonized for doing what he thought was right and what was honestly rather justifiable.
killers yes deserve to get executed and they get executed after having a trail and A unanimous judicial decision not from a kid who can't get a hold of him self and his actions. i some how agree with Louis when he said( what have you been teaching this kid) Clem didn't teach aj the important things that you should keep hold on it as a survivor she should have teach aj humanity along with survival instead she focused in teaching him just survival and give a blind eye to the way he acts she even complement him by saying( you were a good listener) like the hill when did clementine ever told/said to aj to kill any one any body even unarmed people or people who are not a threat any more or people we did knew as comrades if they upset you when she teach him you save 3 options (aim for the head/never hesitate/keep the last bullet for your self) the only option that can put the blame on clem is never hesitate so aj goes by that and kill marlon with no hesitation cause he was dangerous and he should not hesitation in eliminating danger. other than that option Clem shouldn't compliment aj especially with the option keep the last bullet to your self she should have said i told to keep a last bullet for your self not shoot any person that you don't like so you can have a last bullet for your self.
aj killing unarmed/non-threat person can not be justified its murder and its a mistake and what make it unjustified more that he is a kid. kids had a low level of sense and logic and their way of thinking can not be take in consideration when making a decision if their way of thinking can make any sense than we should start including them in Penal Code give them trails and send them to jail or even execute them for their crimes its not fair for only adults to be punished for doing what is wrong.
AJ was justified, but it was wrong. I told AJ he was wrong. My reason for doing so had very little to do with Marlon and almost everything to do with AJ's mentality going forward. I've said my piece about Marlon.
Now, with AJ, I'd rather not have this kid think it's okay to be so trigger happy in situations that aren't tied to walkers. I want him to be more disciplined than that and I don't see that when you tell him he's justified. I see a kid's ego being inflated because he feels like he did a good job. He doesn't understand why someone he calls a friend in Louis would be upset with him. All that matters to him is that he was justified.
I want him to at least understand why people were upset with him. I want him to use better judgment. The lack of understanding on the justified path? That ain't it, chief.
Did everyone forget that Marlon said he wanted to give himself up to the raiders so others can be safe? That would have been a better option than just kill him.
Dude, I told you so many times that Marlon shouldn't have been killed just after admitting his mistakes. He did say he wanted to give himself up to the raiders which would have better option than just murder him.
A murderer can admit that he was wrong. It doesn't mean that he shouldn't be executed though lol.
Just because he did bad shit, doesn't mean AJ did nothing wrong, he and Clem were newcomers, it's his group who should made the decisions regarding Marlon's fate. I ask you again, were you expecting Louis and the others to applause AJ for killing an unarmed man? AJ killing Marlon reminded me of Haytham Kenway from Assassin's Creed 3.
Of course I didn't expect them to like what AJ did. He still did the right thing though.
It shouldn't have been AJ's decision. It should have been up to Louis or Violet.
I don't agree but ok.
I think what AJ did was murder; but I don't think he is a 'murderer'. He walks around saying he is a 'murderer' when I said he committed murder. I want to say "AJ everyone makes mistakes; they are just different from the ones we use to make". I think it is normal for him to feel guilt but there is no medium to tell him what happened; only extremes.
Anyone who justifies AJ shooting Marlon is just......
100% correct? Thanks dude.
it's the opposite actually
I can count on one hand the amount of people in these games who deserve to suffer, and neither AJ nor Marlon count (but they do need a time-out).
All I'm saying is it's hard for me to be so merciful when I just saw the dude crack someones skull open because they were about to snitch him out. I'm not saying I woulda done the same as AJ, but honestly in the world they live in now, I can see people being shot for much lesser reasons. I just don't think it's so heinous of a thing to have been done as to be declared 100% a wrong/evil move.
I have to agree with @AaronDracula here, I didn’t want marlin intentionally murdered I mean he should’ve been locked up or redeemedCan’t kill an unarmed person that’s just not right.
A waste of a bullet.