I know but it's not like the choice option is (or at least not necessarily) Clem's thought process. E.g. when you have the option to forgive Louis or tell him fuck you, it's not like Clem is thinking whether she forgives him, or will tell him to fuck off. It's already determined in her mind and you just choose what is it that's already determined. And therefore, if you ship Louis, or friendzone any of them, how do you tell clem is bisexual?
The fact that the game offers you a choice between Violet and Louis.
Basically it says (at least to me) that Clem wouldn't be opposed to dating either gender.
I like to think of the choice options as plausible actions Clementine could take that still adhere to her established character framework but allow player choice within those boundaries. Like, given S3 and how mad Clementine is that AJ is stolen (and the fact we cannot control this reaction from her), it makes sense that there is never an option to join Lily in TFS, as this is something no iteration of Clementine could tolerate given what Lily's group does to children.
So, Clem being able to date either Louis or Violet indicates that both options aren't something she feels unopposed to, purely in terms of attraction, but the player determine's how each specific Clementine reacts to the possibility of romance from either party, not whether she can be attracted to them.
I know but it's not like the choice option is (or at least not necessarily) Clem's thought process. E.g. when you have the option to forgive… more Louis or tell him fuck you, it's not like Clem is thinking whether she forgives him, or will tell him to fuck off. It's already determined in her mind and you just choose what is it that's already determined. And therefore, if you ship Louis, or friendzone any of them, how do you tell clem is bisexual?
So do you think your clementine adheres scumbagness level such as telling tenn to scratch her off the drawing, threatening to break willy's teeth, telling louis fuck you and violet that she's a fucking asshole, that lilly is an evil bitch etc? Therefore, just because these were options, it doesn't ever mean that my Clementine would consider acting like that. In the absolutely same way, if I choose to ship Louis, it doesn't mean Clementine is bi just because I had an option to choose Violet.
I like to think of the choice options as plausible actions Clementine could take that still adhere to her established character framework bu… moret allow player choice within those boundaries. Like, given S3 and how mad Clementine is that AJ is stolen (and the fact we cannot control this reaction from her), it makes sense that there is never an option to join Lily in TFS, as this is something no iteration of Clementine could tolerate given what Lily's group does to children.
So, Clem being able to date either Louis or Violet indicates that both options aren't something she feels unopposed to, purely in terms of attraction, but the player determine's how each specific Clementine reacts to the possibility of romance from either party, not whether she can be attracted to them.
Your Clementine doesn't "have" to think anything. Options are only presented as paths within the realm of possibility for her established character. Your Clementine could tell Lily that she's an evil bitch, your Clementine could tell Louis to go fuck himself. It only means these are possibilities that you can take and are thus all equally valid and apparently not something a Clementine couldn't do. But Clementine isn't a blank slate either. She has traits and boundaries which all versions of herself will adhere to e.g. protecting AJ, not joining Lily because kidnapping children is never something any version of Clementine would be okay with.
These are core components of her character which you cannot change.
Think of Lee; you can play him as the most gentle pacifist or the most aggressive asshole ever but one thing never changes, the one thing you as the player cannot affect: his desire to protect Clementine at any cost. That is his core trait. Or even the fact that he can get kissed by Carley and not Doug, indicating he's probably not Bi lmao.
Clementine being bisexual is just one of her core traits. Her dating Louis or Violet is just within the realm of possibility for her character. It's something she could do, indicating that her character is unopposed to it on the most basic of levels. Your Clementine could never flirt with Louis, but that doesn't mean she's not attracted to men because we've literally SEEN evidence of that with Gabe. Your Clementine could never flirt with Vi and just be gunning for Louis, but that doesn't change being bisexual as a core trait.
So do you think your clementine adheres scumbagness level such as telling tenn to scratch her off the drawing, threatening to break willy's … moreteeth, telling louis fuck you and violet that she's a fucking asshole, that lilly is an evil bitch etc? Therefore, just because these were options, it doesn't ever mean that my Clementine would consider acting like that. In the absolutely same way, if I choose to ship Louis, it doesn't mean Clementine is bi just because I had an option to choose Violet.
It's not though, for those that have, or had, an invested interpretation of what her sexuality is. Some people's enjoyment of a piece of media goes away if their interpetation is disrupted by external facts to what the game presents within its narrative. J.K. Rowling is a good example because she keeps twitter-expanding on her Harry Potter book series, which has led quite a few fans to abandon following her or any new work she makes.
This is not to dispute Clementine's now-confirmed sexuality, but it can't surprise you that some people have a problem with it being established like this, when the evidence within the story itself is completely optional.
Lots of people play the game without any hint towards same sex attraction, and a few even hoped to be able to play the game with that as the only sexual orientation.
I think it's nice to have it confirmed, I just wish it had come from a linear scene in the game and not a twitter post.
Meh, canon is whatever you want it to be at the end of the day. Alien 3 is officially a thing, but I (and many others) refuse to accept it’s existence. My Clem is whatever I decide to make her, until/unless the story tells me otherwise
Meh, canon is whatever you want it to be at the end of the day. Alien 3 is officially a thing, but I (and many others) refuse to accept it’s existence. My Clem is whatever I decide to make her, until/unless the story tells me otherwise
If you want your clem to be straight and go with louis, then it would conflict those who want their clem to be gay and go with violet. Because of this, she has to be bi, so she goes either way.
Clementine is neither a 1 or 0, she is both 1 and 0, she is superposition, she is quantum.
Wait until you are working a job you hate and will be stuck in such until you die. Then you'll see the value of interpersonal connections. Life is shit. The world sucks and it's only getting worse. It's other people that make it worthwhile.
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Ugh. We already have a thread on this with ongoing discussion. I don't want to start having to split my discussion.
who gives a shit
Why create a brand new topic about this when it could just be put in the thread discussing this topic?
Love the person, not the gender
I didn't know there was a topic on this already?
Cool
Well I didn't know there was another discussion. What's to discuss anyways? It's confirmed and not up for debate anymore
Yes it is haha.
I do because it's no longer up for debate
Who cares
No I refuse Clem is NOT bi this is stupid
We kind of knew this already
Not to be rude, but you can't really fight confirmation from the Word of God™️ (Telltale).
I could care less about Clementine sexuality, anyways...(Who cares).
https://youtu.be/RAAxgTTw9w
But is there a way to tell though besides Telltale confirming
The fact that the game offers you a choice between Violet and Louis.
Basically it says (at least to me) that Clem wouldn't be opposed to dating either gender.
I know but it's not like the choice option is (or at least not necessarily) Clem's thought process. E.g. when you have the option to forgive Louis or tell him fuck you, it's not like Clem is thinking whether she forgives him, or will tell him to fuck off. It's already determined in her mind and you just choose what is it that's already determined. And therefore, if you ship Louis, or friendzone any of them, how do you tell clem is bisexual?
I like to think of the choice options as plausible actions Clementine could take that still adhere to her established character framework but allow player choice within those boundaries. Like, given S3 and how mad Clementine is that AJ is stolen (and the fact we cannot control this reaction from her), it makes sense that there is never an option to join Lily in TFS, as this is something no iteration of Clementine could tolerate given what Lily's group does to children.
So, Clem being able to date either Louis or Violet indicates that both options aren't something she feels unopposed to, purely in terms of attraction, but the player determine's how each specific Clementine reacts to the possibility of romance from either party, not whether she can be attracted to them.
So do you think your clementine adheres scumbagness level such as telling tenn to scratch her off the drawing, threatening to break willy's teeth, telling louis fuck you and violet that she's a fucking asshole, that lilly is an evil bitch etc? Therefore, just because these were options, it doesn't ever mean that my Clementine would consider acting like that. In the absolutely same way, if I choose to ship Louis, it doesn't mean Clementine is bi just because I had an option to choose Violet.
Your Clementine doesn't "have" to think anything. Options are only presented as paths within the realm of possibility for her established character. Your Clementine could tell Lily that she's an evil bitch, your Clementine could tell Louis to go fuck himself. It only means these are possibilities that you can take and are thus all equally valid and apparently not something a Clementine couldn't do. But Clementine isn't a blank slate either. She has traits and boundaries which all versions of herself will adhere to e.g. protecting AJ, not joining Lily because kidnapping children is never something any version of Clementine would be okay with.
These are core components of her character which you cannot change.
Think of Lee; you can play him as the most gentle pacifist or the most aggressive asshole ever but one thing never changes, the one thing you as the player cannot affect: his desire to protect Clementine at any cost. That is his core trait. Or even the fact that he can get kissed by Carley and not Doug, indicating he's probably not Bi lmao.
Clementine being bisexual is just one of her core traits. Her dating Louis or Violet is just within the realm of possibility for her character. It's something she could do, indicating that her character is unopposed to it on the most basic of levels. Your Clementine could never flirt with Louis, but that doesn't mean she's not attracted to men because we've literally SEEN evidence of that with Gabe. Your Clementine could never flirt with Vi and just be gunning for Louis, but that doesn't change being bisexual as a core trait.
Idgaf she's straight on my story and she forever will be, facts don't matter in this one sorry.
You can't just say that facts don't matter just because they conflict with your own opinion.
I can and u can't do anything about it ?
Technically, if Skybound came out with a statement that contradicted Mary's, that'd be what we had to go by, given that it's their franchise now.
Well she isn't. She's bi, and it was already decided by writers that she's bisexual. You can't fight facts.
It's hard to refute something that the writers say is the case, especially when they apparently spent ages on deciding it as a team.
I don't even get why people are getting so up in arms about it. Like it's a win-win for everyone since she loves both genders.
Also, nice art.
We already knew this but it's so nice to have an official confirmation. So awesome.
I'm guessing you aren't that familiar with american right wingers. There is a large swath of people for whom facts are optional.
It's not though, for those that have, or had, an invested interpretation of what her sexuality is. Some people's enjoyment of a piece of media goes away if their interpetation is disrupted by external facts to what the game presents within its narrative. J.K. Rowling is a good example because she keeps twitter-expanding on her Harry Potter book series, which has led quite a few fans to abandon following her or any new work she makes.
This is not to dispute Clementine's now-confirmed sexuality, but it can't surprise you that some people have a problem with it being established like this, when the evidence within the story itself is completely optional.
Lots of people play the game without any hint towards same sex attraction, and a few even hoped to be able to play the game with that as the only sexual orientation.
I think it's nice to have it confirmed, I just wish it had come from a linear scene in the game and not a twitter post.
Meh, canon is whatever you want it to be at the end of the day. Alien 3 is officially a thing, but I (and many others) refuse to accept it’s existence. My Clem is whatever I decide to make her, until/unless the story tells me otherwise
That's... not how canon works. If you see Clem as straight or whatever, that's a headcanon. At the end of the day, she is canonically bisexual.
My canon Clem will always be platonic, bisexual or not, after all that stuff is for suckers, just causes troubles!
True that!
Couldn't disagree more. "That stuff" is the only thing that makes life worthwhile.
Ya maybe for you.
She has to be bi, in order to be yourclementine.
If you want your clem to be straight and go with louis, then it would conflict those who want their clem to be gay and go with violet. Because of this, she has to be bi, so she goes either way.
Clementine is neither a 1 or 0, she is both 1 and 0, she is superposition, she is quantum.
Coolbeans.
Wait until you grow up kid.
Wait until you are working a job you hate and will be stuck in such until you die. Then you'll see the value of interpersonal connections. Life is shit. The world sucks and it's only getting worse. It's other people that make it worthwhile.