We don't talk about Kenny: TTG The Walking Dead
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This is actualy a interesting video
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This is actualy a interesting video
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SEASON 2 IN A NUTSHELL:
Kenny: Fuckin commie piece of shit!
I'm not sure what the whole video was even getting at honestly. I will stick to Clem and Kenny walking off in the sunset, out of the sea of bad writing :PPPPPPPPPP
It made some interesting points about Kenny I'd never thought about before, but after finishing, it's only caused me feel more miserable about how Season 2 turned out. For most your choices not to matter intentionally to instill hopelessness, well, I really hope that wasn't the case.
I saw that video a few days ago. It was pretty well written and puts Season 2 in an interesting light.
Woah, woah, woah, woah.
"I know there's a version of this story that if you're nothing but horrible to him for the entire game, he steals a boat and leaves you in Savannah."
This never happens, does it? (He's talking about Kenny, by the way)
not that I recall... don't know what that guy was smoking...
Honestly, this video just really annoyed me.
Very interesting, but he may be giving the writing a little too much credit. Has this idea ever been hinted at by the writers in interviews and such? Last I heard, they simply said they were testing your trust of Kenny. If they had intended to write something this rife with interesting subtext, I would think they'd have let us all know about it. One could argue that there's something to be said about being subtle, but if they were, then damn did they pull the wool over a lot of our eyes. The idea that the "leave with Kenny" ending is actually somewhat tragic is a really interesting one, but it doesn't come across that way in the slightest within the scene itself, hence the high number of people who choose that as their most fulfilling ending. I have a hard time believing we were actually supposed to draw a darker conclusion from that scene. Then again, I have long said that the only thing the writers of Season 2 put any effort into was Kenny, so maybe they actually did intend to give him that much of a subtle arc.
Doesn't justify how shit most of the other stuff was, but hey, if even some of this rings true of the writers, I gotta give them a little bit of credit for fooling me. Just a little bit, though, since it's kind of a double-edged sword. Sure, they would have managed to create something interesting and subtle, but it would also speak to just how confused and muddled out the ass Season 2's narrative was. Still, even as a personal point of view and nothing more, this is very interesting and shines a different light on Season 2.
And once again, I'm reminded of how much better it would have been if Lilly had returned instead. While it was never explicitly expanded upon, there were definitely hints and at least one mention (or a direct question, at least) of Larry being abusive towards her. The excuses she makes for him also echo what this video mentioned about how abusers justify their shit. "It's not him, it's the world. He's lost so much", and so on. Now of course the "cycle of abuse" thing is not always true, but in this kind of story, it would have been immensely more interesting to see Lilly start down that path, shed some more light on the kind of person Larry was, and possibly show her begin to grow afraid of the person she herself is becoming. Much like Kenny did, except with a ton more subtext and tragedy that doesn't feel like it undermines previous development, but rather enhances it. Like the uploader said, Kenny suddenly being abusive unravels his great and complete character arc from before, and while Kenny's change is interesting (or at least sounds interesting in theory from the way the video made it sound) on its own, it only further shows what a missed opportunity they had before them. At least to me.
There are some interesting points however they only look at Kenny in terms of the story. Its all kind of opinion if kenny is abusive
Also the ending made me roll my eyes. The game is about how horrible people and the world is, no you shoudnt trust people in an apocalypse. I dont get how people can think otherwise, season 1 had exactly the same points really, everyone not from the group screwed you over
Eh, five minutes in and I already feel this gentleman is greatly exaggerating the ideal that season two was aiming for. The episodes felt far too discombobulated and loose for any one tone to ever feel fully established. Choices don't impact the story not because of a nihilistic reflection of a greater narrative scope we are never shown but simply because the game couldn't decide on a definitive tone.
Kenny a little crazy, is not responsible, not control his anger, does not differentiate between a little girl, an older woman (Clementine) ... but he's all right. I'm still okay with it ... I think.
i turned it off at 15 minutes....'Kenny a threat to Clementine'......absolute rubbish,although the video has many points good and bad,you could never get a tighter bond with clem and ken. and he's hardly a coward,gimme a break.
Things like this happen to people in real-life all the time, and it's very clearly abusive. Kenny is/was a major threat to Clementine throughout season 2, and Kenny and Clem happily walking into the sunset is quite easily one of the most disturbing endings to a game I've ever seen.
So biased. Even if he had every single minute detail of Kenny's character and the video went for an hour it would still only be his opinion and his interpretation. What a moron. I'm not trying to 'stick up for Kenny...love him so much xxxx'...no, it's just this guy clearly doesn't see that a game based around choices generally doesn't have a blank right/wrong/definite/indefinite. Uses an opinion to make it seem fact.
agree that it happens in real life,but Kenny is wrote this way IMO to get people to choose against him throughout season 2,its bad writing but he beat Arvo (who tried to kill Clem...),asked clem to trust him when he was fixing the car,he would do ANYTHING to keep Clem safe,including risking his life or the lifes of others,and considering what he's been through i can understand from the place where he's at. he's all about the people he loves not an ice cold telltale made ice queen
I realized this was the case around episode 4, although unlike most people (I hope) I was able to notice it easier due to the fact that mere months before the game came out, I had also been in a similarly abusive relationship myself. This is quite easily one of the best videos I've seen related to TWD - it perfectly sums up everything wrong with Kenny as a person, and the evil, manipulative actions he takes against Clementine.
It genuinely worries me whenever I see people defending Kenny for what he did. I can't believe that people still don't understand what he was even after mountains of evidence have been put right in front of them.
I don't exactly recall Kenny stealing a boat.
Very elaborate headcanon.
None of the game was as succesful as TWD, shows the TftB image
Sure, he's written that way to make us turn against him, but that doesn't make Kenny any less abusive, even if that wasn't the writers' intention. Child abuse comes in many forms, not just hitting them. A parent secretly trying to convince their child that the other parent is a bad person, for instance, is child abuse. And that's applicable to Kenny in the way he alienates everyone else and fully expects Clementine to do the same. I now understand more than ever why I got so pissed when he started taking shots at Jane (during the truck fixing scene with Clementine, I believe) and the kind of person she was despite knowing nothing about her. Beating up Arvo and then coldly asking Clementine if she's lost her taste for this kind of thing if she tries to stop him in itself was also pretty screwed up, determinant or not. And when Clementine doesn't agree with his assessments of the situation and the others, Kenny either grows angry towards her or plays himself up like a victim to get her to feel sympathy for him (I imagine him pulling the Lee card in the truck was meant to be emotional, but goddamn was that manipulative) rather than acknowledge his faults in the way he's handled the situation up until then.
But I understand why people don't think of Kenny in that way, because as with everything else he did wrong in episode 5, the writers desperately tried to mitigate and absolve his wrongdoings by pulling something stupid out of their ass and trying to make everyone else seem like the bad person (Arvo shooting Clementine, Jane hiding the baby, Mike and Bonnie's betrayal), no matter how little sense it made, and indeed the aforementioned events were so nonsensical.
That is the real bad writing in the episode, and the biggest problem with "No Going Back". They push so hard one way, for us to distrust Kenny, to the point that he flat out says you made the right choice even by putting him down, but then they unravel all of that constantly by going into the other extreme, to the point that it rewards you for staying with him and putting up with his bullshit. They never struck a good balance, even though they probably thought they did.
So you think Tales sold more copies, got more attention from the press and received more awards than TWD? Interesting.
Never said it sold more but for a game with rather small fanbase conpared to the TWD it did a great job. Personally i like this game more than TWD s1 right now
Okay. In general 'successful' equals high sales, critical acclaim, etc. not the fact that you personally like the game. So he was right with his statement.
Kenny is pretty unstable, but for the most part I never saw him as him as manipulative or even really that clingy to Clementine. Once the group formed, I can't remember him trying to turn Clementine against the group. This only happenes when they had a working car and everyone had different ideas on what to do and decisions had to be made.
Arvo shooting Clementine makes perfect sense to me. This isn't some cool groovy dude that Clementine happened to run into, like some people on here seemed to think. This is a guy that was either robbed of everything he had by Jane and Clementine, or robbed of his weapon and then threatened with death if he ever returned. He also thinks Clementine killed his sister. He despises her... if he had a gat during the shootout , he would have probably capped Clementine (and likely Jane) then and there. I dunno how you connected him shooting Clementine with absolving Kenny's wrong doings, but the two aren't related to me.
Jane hiding the baby was a sign of her losing it rather than absolving Kenny in anyway. A normal person wouldn't even have thought of something as crazy and dangerous as that, much less do it. Just like Kenny, Jane was showing signs of instability before that (albeit in a different way). She was guilt ridden over leaving her sister and was trying to replace her with Clementine. The child abuse you spoke of applies more to Jane than it does Kenny in my opinion.
Felt like turning off after his inane ramblings about his season 2 choices not mattering. Turned off when he revealed he was a sympathiser of Larry's sorry ass.
Agreed
Ok I got so say that you have a point here my bad. But the sales results from Tales are still unavaiable so I guess when TTG shows them we will know for sure. It's just that almost all the rewievers that I watched or read said it's better than TWD
He's trying to go too deep and he thinks he's uncovering stuff that actually isn't there/true... its just opinion. Kenny is a good man that has made horrible decisions but has Clem and AJ's safety as his number one priority. He's not some cryptic Abuser...
He did a lot of bad shit but so did everyone surviving in an apocolyptic world! You have to understand that there are people who feel they can "forgive" him for what he became, everything he lost in life! Also having his eye bashed in may have damaged his brain!
Ever thought of that? (Especially you EveryonesClemInTime!)! Also from a gaming view, i judge him as a character thats been around from the start and become one of my favourite characters just like Clementine is
I think he might be referring to the boat in Season One. Though that can hardly be interpreted as stealing.
while kenny would never wish harm on clementine, his rash behaviour and short temper create enemies that hate not only him, but clementine as well. despite not wronging arvo and - depending on your choices - even attempting to befriend him, he still shoots her because of his resentment towards kenny. he puts clementine in a position where she has to kill either him or the only other surviving adult in her life. emotionally and physically, kenny is a threat to clementine, even if it isn't his intention.
The ones who hate kenny are the ones who never chose his option. I forgave kenny for everything he did after I saw how he traded his life for clem by begging wellington to accept clem and the baby even if they wont accept him
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If the bashing Carver gave him damaged his brain , for all rights and purposes he should probably be dead.
The video was indeed interesting. I liked how the guy goes into how abuse works, and how abusers are great at projecting this psychology of being a victim themselves. Kenny mentioned that his dad was "a mean son of a bitch", which gives the idea that his dad was abusive. So I believe what they are trying to say is that while Kenny is abusive himself, he also grew up with abuse, that his own father was abusive with him, and he learned abusive behavior while growing up.
Regardless of what a person grows up with, that doesn't mean they have to be what their parents were. Yes, a person's upbrining can have a major effect on how they are as adults, that and their genetic makeup, but still what a person is is largely a matter of personal choice. "You are who you choose to be".
Nevertheless, I still sided with Kenny, because unlike Jane who abandoned Clementine, Kenny never abandoned her.
Despite his abusive nature, Kenny did care about Clementine, which he showed by taking a horrendous beating for Clementine, and I think most notably, pleading for Clementine and the baby to be allowed to stay in Wellington, even if that means he would be alone once again.
Not to mention that Kenny said to Clementine at Wellington that he was "ashamed of what he put Clementine through". Kenny recognized his actions for what they were, and he expresses both shame and remorse. Personally, I had Clementine stay with him.
This guy fully understands Kenny....bravo!,
You talk about how Kenny is abusive for tryin to turn Clem against the group.
I guess we're just ignoring that Jane did the exact same thing to Clem about Kenny.