And she was the first to sheathe her drawn weapon in an attempt to stop the fight, and yet Kenny still attacks her.
That's not killing her in self-defense, that's attempted murder.
He's definitely a killer, but whether he's a murderer is difficult to say.
I think his closest killing attempt to murder was when he tried to abandon lilly at the Motor Inn after she just saved their lives, but other than that, I don't really think that killing Larry was murder even though Larry was still alive, since he was expressly doing it to try to help others rather than from pure selfishness. Though in this sense I suppose the manner in which he killed Carved was, likely, murderous.
Was killing Carver in the way he did self defence? If he didn't bash Carver's head in, instead of shooting him or leaving him, would Carver )with two bullet wounds) have leapt up and killed everyone?
It's odd, I can't remember you complaining when everyone was posting incessantly all the time about how amazing he was, or when Kenny fans said that Jane fans should be hung. Or do you only think monotony and extremity is bad when it's regarding an opinion you disagree with?
Why do I always find a Kenny hate thread in this section? Kenny is dangerous, Kenny is an asshole, Kenny kills everyone... Seriously guys, give it an effing rest
I consider Carver and Jane murders. Larry, I guess you could argue some sort of preemptive self defense even though he was unconscious and completely harmless at the time. I think he also got that guy killed at the cabin, when my Clem told him not to shoot and he did anyway. And of course trying to beat Arvo to death. If you want to count abandoning people, that list goes way up.
He's definitely a killer, but whether he's a murderer is difficult to say.
I think his closest killing attempt to murder was when he trie… mored to abandon lilly at the Motor Inn after she just saved their lives, but other than that, I don't really think that killing Larry was murder even though Larry was still alive, since he was expressly doing it to try to help others rather than from pure selfishness. Though in this sense I suppose the manner in which he killed Carved was, likely, murderous.
and then jane goes on to attempt to break kenny s nose later on in the fight also originally jane was gonna be ontop of kenny instead of kenny ontop of jane so im fairly sure they only changed it because Kenny would be chosen more then Jane
no that was pure revenge ... (he deserved it but i dint have clemmy see it because... im probably the only one who wants to play the most i can as if it was season 1 clem)
Was killing Carver in the way he did self defence? If he didn't bash Carver's head in, instead of shooting him or leaving him, would Carver )with two bullet wounds) have leapt up and killed everyone?
Christa s a murdered, lee s a murderer , lily s a murderer , doug/carly is a murderer
christa shot that girl who was tryng to steal stuff from them
lily murdered carly
lee killed a senator
clementine killed the mistery man
doug killed a bandit (if you saved him )
carley kills 2 bandits
alvin killed george (who was never really mentioned after carver and bonnie said his name)
jane killed a bandit
need any more?
Everyone has killed, but not all of them have killed with malice, which Kenny has done at least twice, and would have a third time with Arvo if he could.
I consider Carver and Jane murders. Larry, I guess you could argue some sort of preemptive self defense even though he was unconscious and c… moreompletely harmless at the time. I think he also got that guy killed at the cabin, when my Clem told him not to shoot and he did anyway. And of course trying to beat Arvo to death. If you want to count abandoning people, that list goes way up.
No, that is the exact problem with having him shoot Clementine. It makes Kenny's previous abuse of him seem justified to a lot of fans. IMO, it was not, not the physical abuse or the slurs.
Christa s a murdered, lee s a murderer , lily s a murderer , doug/carly is a murderer
christa shot that girl who was tryng to steal stuff … morefrom them
lily murdered carly
lee killed a senator
clementine killed the mistery man
doug killed a bandit (if you saved him )
carley kills 2 bandits
alvin killed george (who was never really mentioned after carver and bonnie said his name)
jane killed a bandit
need any more?
She said it was an accident and Kenny still attacked without even listening to an explanation. She knew we'd flip out but she didn't knew we'd go THAT far...
It uuhhhhhh is sorta iffy to say. I mean it wasn't in self-defense and kenny was the attacker so technically it was murder.
But uhhhh, well, Jane provoked him Intentionally to get him to attack her. Not to get herself killed mind you, but more to make a villain out of Kenny in front of clementine.
It's like......say for example if there was a dog and you kicked it or spat on it or something. If the dog then proceeds to bite your throat off, technically that is murder, but honestly you were asking for it. If you were Lee and someone killed Clementine. The grand majority of you would revenge murder the living hell out of them.
I agree, especially since Kenny's abuse may have been the reason Arvo was driven to harm Clementine, and he didn't seem like the type who wanted to kill people.
No, that is the exact problem with having him shoot Clementine. It makes Kenny's previous abuse of him seem justified to a lot of fans. IMO, it was not, not the physical abuse or the slurs.
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Well, so is Lee, Lily and Clementine.
In short, yes.
If you want to be technical about it , since Kenny attacked physically first , then no , it wasn't self defense.
Yes, he is. But to be fair, everyone's got blood on their hands in this world. Undead or not. There are no heroes, everyone's a murderer.
Well technically Clementine did kill Winston, the bandit who was chasing after her in Season 2 Episode 1 by pushing him into the Walker.
I think Season 3 will just reignite these types of Threads to be honest.
Fair enough.
But she is the first one to draw a deadly weapon.
It doesn't count as murder, I never said it did but she still caused his death nonetheless.
And she was the first to sheathe her drawn weapon in an attempt to stop the fight, and yet Kenny still attacks her.
That's not killing her in self-defense, that's attempted murder.
I think that makes all the difference. She was trying to stop the fight but he was at that point unstoppable.
He's definitely a killer, but whether he's a murderer is difficult to say.
I think his closest killing attempt to murder was when he tried to abandon lilly at the Motor Inn after she just saved their lives, but other than that, I don't really think that killing Larry was murder even though Larry was still alive, since he was expressly doing it to try to help others rather than from pure selfishness. Though in this sense I suppose the manner in which he killed Carved was, likely, murderous.
Which she puts away, telling him not to come near her. Which he does. So he instigates combat twice.
Was killing Carver in the way he did self defence? If he didn't bash Carver's head in, instead of shooting him or leaving him, would Carver )with two bullet wounds) have leapt up and killed everyone?
Pretty much everyone is a murderer in the zombie apocalypse? That's simply not true, unless you count killing zombies as murder.
She wanted to die? No, that contradicts the entire point of the scene.
Killing isn't quite the same as murder.
It's odd, I can't remember you complaining when everyone was posting incessantly all the time about how amazing he was, or when Kenny fans said that Jane fans should be hung. Or do you only think monotony and extremity is bad when it's regarding an opinion you disagree with?
Katjaa/Omid/Rebecca/Luke/Pete/Duck/Mark/Molly's a murderer? Wow, I need to replay the game, completely forgot them murdering people.
I consider Carver and Jane murders. Larry, I guess you could argue some sort of preemptive self defense even though he was unconscious and completely harmless at the time. I think he also got that guy killed at the cabin, when my Clem told him not to shoot and he did anyway. And of course trying to beat Arvo to death. If you want to count abandoning people, that list goes way up.
and then jane goes on to attempt to break kenny s nose later on in the fight also originally jane was gonna be ontop of kenny instead of kenny ontop of jane so im fairly sure they only changed it because Kenny would be chosen more then Jane
no that was pure revenge ... (he deserved it but i dint have clemmy see it because... im probably the only one who wants to play the most i can as if it was season 1 clem)
Christa s a murdered, lee s a murderer , lily s a murderer , doug/carly is a murderer
christa shot that girl who was tryng to steal stuff from them
lily murdered carly
lee killed a senator
clementine killed the mistery man
doug killed a bandit (if you saved him )
carley kills 2 bandits
alvin killed george (who was never really mentioned after carver and bonnie said his name)
jane killed a bandit
need any more?
which i would have supported him because Arvo s a plain Jackass
and carley
she killed 2 bandits
abandoning s not murder but the arvo part ... im fairly sure everyone regrets defending him at this point
So you support murdering a person because you don't like them?
No, you would be wrong on that. I don't regret defending him and I still do it.
Arvo is not an good example , Kenny's hate towards him was later understood since he shot clementine .
No, that is the exact problem with having him shoot Clementine. It makes Kenny's previous abuse of him seem justified to a lot of fans. IMO, it was not, not the physical abuse or the slurs.
I don't know how you could forget about those blood thirsty monster's genocidal rampages.
No. Thats enough
That were trying to kill her, so it was self-defence.
She said it was an accident and Kenny still attacked without even listening to an explanation. She knew we'd flip out but she didn't knew we'd go THAT far...
He still hit her first... so..??
Doesn't Molly kill anyone from Crawford though?
Yup. In the real world, if he reacted the way he did, even with a high class lawyer, he'd do life, with possibility of parole.
Not sure what Jane would get. Maybe, child endangerment?
It uuhhhhhh is sorta iffy to say. I mean it wasn't in self-defense and kenny was the attacker so technically it was murder.
But uhhhh, well, Jane provoked him Intentionally to get him to attack her. Not to get herself killed mind you, but more to make a villain out of Kenny in front of clementine.
It's like......say for example if there was a dog and you kicked it or spat on it or something. If the dog then proceeds to bite your throat off, technically that is murder, but honestly you were asking for it. If you were Lee and someone killed Clementine. The grand majority of you would revenge murder the living hell out of them.
I agree, especially since Kenny's abuse may have been the reason Arvo was driven to harm Clementine, and he didn't seem like the type who wanted to kill people.