To people who thought Norma and Randall were reasonable

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  • Perpetual? Has she really lied that much? Examples?

    Sam the perpetual liar, I can't trust a word she says in episode 1

  • edited March 2016

    I don't like that they made them bats shit crazy. It's annoying how the good guys are too good and the bad guys are really bad. I thought episode two was there chance to get away from Randall being Carver 2.0 by offering a different perspective, that maybe they were just reasonable people and Sam was really a liar. But that's not the case and I don't see where episode three is going and how it could be good.

  • It is confirmed since Norma threatens Michonne to not hurt his brother by mentioning them.

    Did they confirm that? Or is there still the idea that they killed the people on the ferry who already killed the inhabitants. I guess I'm still hoping for some actual morally grey characters

  • Gabby is the Hispanic woman with brunette, tied hair who finds us at the ferry and alerts Randall. She appears again, when we are escaping Monroe. You can either fire a flare at her and she'll duck it, or Pete will push her into the water. She appears once again with Randall and fires at us on the shore. Lastly, she is with three other people in the signal tower.

    Cam is the dude with orange jacket and green hat. He was also there at the ferry, although he doesn't appear again until the signal tower scene. He is the one who alerts Randall of our presence. Cam died, crushed by the fallen tower, and his corpse was left there.

    Who the Heck are cam and gabby? Are those the two randoms with Randall who don't even have any lines ?

  • edited March 2016

    even if sam was a liar, I don't get why they just don't let her leave. she caused more trouble being chained and interrogated than being free and on her own. you cant force people to stay if they don't want to :/

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    AAA_Jane posted: »

    I don't like that they made them bats shit crazy. It's annoying how the good guys are too good and the bad guys are really bad. I thought ep

  • I guess we could've reasoned with them if we were able to talk to them but you see the game forces us to escape, attack Norma/Randall, burn their community, kill their people, torture Randal... Can't wait to see what the game will force us to do next! At least we'll be able to chose which eyeball we'll take from Norma! Or maybe which innocent resident we'll kill! The helpless woman that never did anything to us? Or maybe the father trying to save his children? Oh wait we probably already did that when we made them explode!

    You can still pretend that Norma and co are acting like irrational animals and that we are totally innocent, whatever makes you sleep at night.

  • Let me give you a like!

    I guess we could've reasoned with them if we were able to talk to them but you see the game forces us to escape, attack Norma/Randall, burn

  • I happen to believe Sam about Norma and Randall. Learning from Carver, these kind of people will say ANYTHING to gain loyalties. Besides, Randall killed two little girls.

  • What kinda hat is Cam wearing?

    Gabby is the Hispanic woman with brunette, tied hair who finds us at the ferry and alerts Randall. She appears again, when we are escaping M

  • Sadly, I researched—as much as you can research without anywhere to begin other than "green cap with golden star"—and couldn't find anything

    zeke10 posted: »

    What kinda hat is Cam wearing?

  • Damn what about his jacket?

    Sadly, I researched—as much as you can research without anywhere to begin other than "green cap with golden star"—and couldn't find anything

  • Flog w/ facts. Like I said, I'd kill them. Someone get a Salt Lick on her xD

    Flog61 posted: »

    They killed thatferry loads of people including children before we destroyed their community. Is killing children reasonable?

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited March 2016

    Looks like a down jacket, or maybe a parka. Most people at Monroe are wearing them, too.

    zeke10 posted: »

    Damn what about his jacket?

  • Right now? Perfectly. The mere fact telltale gave us the option to make a peacefull option to everything in the game makes me think that in the end a peacefull solution may be reached.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited March 2016

    The way I see it, this whole situation is just a misunderstanding that turned into a giant shit show. Which then managed to turn into an even bigger shit show.

    Everyone's at fault here in some capacity; neither side is fully innocent, but neither side is fully guilty, either. It's a grey-area conflict. I personally think the writers have done a good enough job of treating it as such. Norma and Randall have understandable reasons for taking us prisoner in the first place, we try to escape and can choose to do so peacefully, which leads to us inadvertently and unintentionally starting a fire, which gives Randall a reason to want to chase us down and kill us, which gives us a valid reason to defend ourselves against him, which in turn gives Norma reason to defend herself against us for defending ourselves against them for defending themselves against us for wanting to escape from them.

    Norma still tries to be reasonable in spite of everything that happened. By the end of the episode, all she wants is Randall back in one piece, and all we want is for them to leave us alone. I actually hope that episode 3 gives players the opportunity to at least try to negotiate, even if it ultimately doesn't work. I killed Randall, so I already know that I'm definitely not going to be negotiating with anybody, but I still hope that the people that behaved themselves better than I did at least get the opportunity to try to follow through.

    That being said, I don't want a fight to break out in episode 3, and I don't want to have to kill more people that are just defending themselves like I am, but that's what I'm liking about this story so far. It's actually doing a good job holding up that grey area involved, without fully demonizing Monroe. Even Randall, who is easily the most antagonistic if not psychopathic character, still has valid reasons for wanting to hunt us down in the first place. It's not solely that he's fucking nuts, it's that we escaped and burned down his home, potentially taking a few people with us in the process. In his mind, that's more than enough justification to hunt us down and take us out.

    I guess we could've reasoned with them if we were able to talk to them but you see the game forces us to escape, attack Norma/Randall, burn

  • This is exactly how I see it.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    I never saw Randall as a reasonable person to begin with. Norma, however, I still assume that she has good reasons for her actions and mi

  • Does she just say people on the ferry? Because then the scavenger story is still possible or shes bluffing or something

    AronDracula posted: »

    It is confirmed since Norma threatens Michonne to not hurt his brother by mentioning them.

  • Does she really sound like it's true? Listen to her voice, that's how a liar would sound like.

    Does she just say people on the ferry? Because then the scavenger story is still possible or shes bluffing or something

  • edited March 2016

    Like I said i'm assuming they did it likely while eating puppies or something given how black and white telltale made them.

    To be fair I need to replay it and see the alternatives, and how she talks. I never talked to her in my game. I just cant really be bothered, i'll do it tomorrow maybe.

    AronDracula posted: »

    Does she really sound like it's true? Listen to her voice, that's how a liar would sound like.

  • It's not solely that he's fucking nuts, it's that we escaped and burned down his home, potentially taking a few people with us in the process. In his mind, that's more than enough justification to hunt us down and take us out.

    Adding to that, they think we still have their rifles, guns and ammunition. They seem desperate about that bag, too. I mean, who wouldn't? Right now, everything points to Sam having it hidden somewhere, so she's still not out of the shit show yet.

    Deltino posted: »

    The way I see it, this whole situation is just a misunderstanding that turned into a giant shit show. Which then managed to turn into an eve

  • Now there s a wise fan who knowns the truth of things!
    (yes i was tryng to copy royland s line)

    matteso586 posted: »

    I happen to believe Sam about Norma and Randall. Learning from Carver, these kind of people will say ANYTHING to gain loyalties. Besides, Randall killed two little girls.

  • did you skip the preview ??? the burning house???

    Lord_EAA posted: »

    Right now? Perfectly. The mere fact telltale gave us the option to make a peacefull option to everything in the game makes me think that in the end a peacefull solution may be reached.

  • Norma may be reasonable, but Randall's a real prick.

  • Only Randall seems batshit tbh

    AAA_Jane posted: »

    I don't like that they made them bats shit crazy. It's annoying how the good guys are too good and the bad guys are really bad. I thought ep

  • and a psychopath

    remorse667 posted: »

    Norma may be reasonable, but Randall's a real prick.

  • Now there s a wise fan who knowns the truth of things!

    So what we should just immediately side against any community we come across?

    UrbanRodrik posted: »

    Now there s a wise fan who knowns the truth of things! (yes i was tryng to copy royland s line)

  • If they threaten us yes

    Now there s a wise fan who knowns the truth of things! So what we should just immediately side against any community we come across?

  • Nothing about her is reasonable, we answered her questions and she refused to release us then threatened us and sent her maniac brother to capture/kill us again over some supplies she has no evidence we ever even saw.

    remorse667 posted: »

    Norma may be reasonable, but Randall's a real prick.

  • Sam was caught stealing from them twice. So I understand why she doesn't believe shit from us.

    Nothing about her is reasonable, we answered her questions and she refused to release us then threatened us and sent her maniac brother to capture/kill us again over some supplies she has no evidence we ever even saw.

  • She had no idea Randall was even in the woods

    Nothing about her is reasonable, we answered her questions and she refused to release us then threatened us and sent her maniac brother to capture/kill us again over some supplies she has no evidence we ever even saw.

  • It might be determinant. We wont know for a while.

    UrbanRodrik posted: »

    did you skip the preview ??? the burning house???

  • So I understand why she doesn't believe shit from us.

    Well her brother has already paid for her mistake, hopefully she learns from it and leaves us alone. Otherwise she may also perish over a bag of supplies.

    remorse667 posted: »

    Sam was caught stealing from them twice. So I understand why she doesn't believe shit from us.

  • I doubt she'll drop you killing her brother

    So I understand why she doesn't believe shit from us. Well her brother has already paid for her mistake, hopefully she learns from it and leaves us alone. Otherwise she may also perish over a bag of supplies.

  • Oh well, bring it on lady. If sam can beat her one on one in a fight she doesnt really worry me. At least randall was somewhat intimidating.

    zeke10 posted: »

    I doubt she'll drop you killing her brother

  • ? They're not hunting us down over a bag of supplies.

    So I understand why she doesn't believe shit from us. Well her brother has already paid for her mistake, hopefully she learns from it and leaves us alone. Otherwise she may also perish over a bag of supplies.

  • She might attack you with her straw

    Oh well, bring it on lady. If sam can beat her one on one in a fight she doesnt really worry me. At least randall was somewhat intimidating.

  • I dont really care why shes hunting us down. She can piss off, they took us to their community and refused to release us, guess she should have employed better guards or a more secure community. What exactly is she going to gain when she catches us, except to kill us? Because id rather not be murdered.

    remorse667 posted: »

    ? They're not hunting us down over a bag of supplies.

  • yes she did, for example she told randall that michonne and pete were the ones who stole the duffel bag, not her! and she lied again when she and michonne were tied, she lies all the time without thinking the consequences

    Flog61 posted: »

    Perpetual? Has she really lied that much? Examples?

  • yes she did, for example she told randall that michonne and pete were the ones who stole the duffel bag, not her!

    No, she didn't? You're putting words in her mouth. If Michonne states that her and Pete are not with Sam, she will say "what?" in an attempt to convince Randall otherwise, although he didn't even take that into account.

    and she lied again when she and michonne were tied

    What exactly did she say?

    she lies all the time without thinking the consequences

    We haven't known her for long enough to say that she lies all the time. She has stolen, but it has not been confirmed that she has ever lied.

    Alex_L_P posted: »

    yes she did, for example she told randall that michonne and pete were the ones who stole the duffel bag, not her! and she lied again when she and michonne were tied, she lies all the time without thinking the consequences

  • (sorry my english) im telling you the thruth, im not lying to you, jajajaja, i just realized.... i sound like samantha jajaja, but seriously that happens in my gameplay, i dont know about you, i barely remember but when she and michonne were tied she wants to make us believe that they are totally innocent and that they were never there and she also convinces her brother to lie.

    yes she did, for example she told randall that michonne and pete were the ones who stole the duffel bag, not her! No, she didn't? Yo

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