I agree with you. I'm really torn right now between Wellington and the car accident for my canon. Currently on my playthrough I have Wellington leaving him unknown and hopefully alive out there. But the car accident scene is true to his character and Clementine spent two more years with him at least. It's just a shame we missed most of those two years...I think the most tragic way for Kenny to die is like you said feeling like a villain and a failure and especially if the last thing he does is stab Jane, only to be shot in the head by someone he deeply loved and cared for.
I'm still holding out hope Telltale gives us even bigger and better flashbacks for Clem yet. I think we should get to have a proper conversation with Kenny/Jane/Edith and not just in a death scene. I'm hoping Telltale comes up with something nifty because there's a lot of potential left here. I hope they're seeing and hearing it.
It's odd how people can argue that death is more closure than "walking off"
If anything Wellington is the most merciful ending to Kenny's… more story, regardless of how he ends up. He succeeds in his mission to bring the children to relative safety, he gets to say goodbye, he has a chance to survive on his own if he wills it, and he can leave something for Clementine and AJ to inherit (his hat). Perhaps he will die anyway, who knows, but him dying in the snow in a pit-stop is not in any way better than dying in a pile of walkers.
He feels like he's a villain, he realises what Clementine was made to do to stop him, he will never know if Clementine and AJ find the safety he sought and is forced to rely on Jane for their survival, all he can so is reassure Clementine and trust her, say what she needs to hear so she doesn't blame herself. This is not a great ending, not for Clementine and not for Kenny.
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I doubt the Wellington ending will ever reveal what happens to him. Maybe a developer will have a brain fart and reveal it in a random tweet some day.
There are two points I consider with the ending:
1) Wellington. As you mentioned, we can have the hope he's out there somewhere. Maybe he found someone else that can be his family, perhaps he's saving another baby. Perhaps he's stalking the wilderness around Wellington, standing ready in case he can get in some day. The point is that it's nice to imagine that he doesn't take the sports bag just to to pop his brains out behind a tree, he's a fighter, I doubt he ends it himself if anything.
2) Staying with him. One thing that I hope till be important is that he gets to be a part of AJ's life for a little longer. He gets to see him grow and has some influence on his upbringing and perhaps on how Clementine will raise him further. He gets to breathe, he gets to dream. I think the one thing Kenny gets from the stay ending is the chance to live a little bit and not just be a survivor.
I keep two main saves now, identical in all choices but with the difference in staying in Wellington or staying with Kenny. I wanna see how both turn out, although I doubt Telltale wanna touch on it more.
I agree with you. I'm really torn right now between Wellington and the car accident for my canon. Currently on my playthrough I have Welling… moreton leaving him unknown and hopefully alive out there. But the car accident scene is true to his character and Clementine spent two more years with him at least. It's just a shame we missed most of those two years...I think the most tragic way for Kenny to die is like you said feeling like a villain and a failure and especially if the last thing he does is stab Jane, only to be shot in the head by someone he deeply loved and cared for.
I'm still holding out hope Telltale gives us even bigger and better flashbacks for Clem yet. I think we should get to have a proper conversation with Kenny/Jane/Edith and not just in a death scene. I'm hoping Telltale comes up with something nifty because there's a lot of potential left here. I hope they're seeing and hearing it.
When Clem flees Wellington I took his hat first when she is grabbing the "essentials." It's like his hat is possibly a sign that he will return in this season (if you weren't a moron in season two).
I'm getting mad upvotes on Reddit for this post ^ as well.
If anything Wellington is the most merciful ending to Kenny's story, regardless of how he ends up. He succeeds in his mission to bring the children to relative safety, he gets to say goodbye,
This. It's like the entire season led up to that moment. He put in so much work and so many people died. I wasn't going to just say, "NO. I WILL STAY WITH YOU." Then his sacrifice would have been pointless.
Also, based on what you guys are saying about the option of staying with him, I guess they show a death scene with him or something. I don't even want to know. That ending was My Only Ending for season two.
It's odd how people can argue that death is more closure than "walking off"
If anything Wellington is the most merciful ending to Kenny's… more story, regardless of how he ends up. He succeeds in his mission to bring the children to relative safety, he gets to say goodbye, he has a chance to survive on his own if he wills it, and he can leave something for Clementine and AJ to inherit (his hat). Perhaps he will die anyway, who knows, but him dying in the snow in a pit-stop is not in any way better than dying in a pile of walkers.
He feels like he's a villain, he realises what Clementine was made to do to stop him, he will never know if Clementine and AJ find the safety he sought and is forced to rely on Jane for their survival, all he can so is reassure Clementine and trust her, say what she needs to hear so she doesn't blame herself. This is not a great ending, not for Clementine and not for Kenny.
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Yeah great points in both. It's a tough call. I mean realistically I could see the accident thing playing out randomly in the world. The reason it's anticlimactic is because it's not "cinematic". It's kind of brutally realistic. We could never imagine a big character like Kenny dying simply from that but in a way death doesn't pick favorites. But he still gets to be heroic in his final moments. I'm hoping the paralysis at least helped ease the pain he had to endure in that moment. Man I'm so torn. I'll have to wait until the season is over.
Also, one other point I'd like to address is I'm really hoping Telltale didn't walk themselves into a corner. It is hard to develop Clementine if we ignore her past and especially if the new players of the series don't learn her past. Even Michonne in the comics got background. I REALLY hope Kenny/Jane/Edith's deaths are not the ending of her backstory and it simply focuses on the New Frontier. There's so much more to her that even Javier and the others don't know.
I doubt the Wellington ending will ever reveal what happens to him. Maybe a developer will have a brain fart and reveal it in a random tweet… more some day.
There are two points I consider with the ending:
1) Wellington. As you mentioned, we can have the hope he's out there somewhere. Maybe he found someone else that can be his family, perhaps he's saving another baby. Perhaps he's stalking the wilderness around Wellington, standing ready in case he can get in some day. The point is that it's nice to imagine that he doesn't take the sports bag just to to pop his brains out behind a tree, he's a fighter, I doubt he ends it himself if anything.
2) Staying with him. One thing that I hope till be important is that he gets to be a part of AJ's life for a little longer. He gets to see him grow and has some influence on his upbringing and perhaps on how Clementine will raise him further. He gets to breathe, he gets to dream. I think the one thing… [view original content]
I don't think the theme of Kenny's death is bad. The thing that offended me about the flashback was that it occured now and in such a rushed fashion.
He's written to act irresponsibly and we get a bare minimum of interaction. Telltale threw the biggest choice we ever had in TWD under the bus and showed they didn't have any regard, skill or ambition towards trying to make it work with the main story. Kenny and Jane could have been such interesting elements in the relationship between Javier and Clem, possibly a interesting point of conflict.
Yeah great points in both. It's a tough call. I mean realistically I could see the accident thing playing out randomly in the world. The rea… moreson it's anticlimactic is because it's not "cinematic". It's kind of brutally realistic. We could never imagine a big character like Kenny dying simply from that but in a way death doesn't pick favorites. But he still gets to be heroic in his final moments. I'm hoping the paralysis at least helped ease the pain he had to endure in that moment. Man I'm so torn. I'll have to wait until the season is over.
Also, one other point I'd like to address is I'm really hoping Telltale didn't walk themselves into a corner. It is hard to develop Clementine if we ignore her past and especially if the new players of the series don't learn her past. Even Michonne in the comics got background. I REALLY hope Kenny/Jane/Edith's deaths are not the ending of her backstory and it simply focuses on the New Frontier. There's so much more to her that even Javier and the others don't know.
If anything Wellington is the most merciful ending to Kenny's story, regardless of how he ends up. He succeeds in his mission to bring the c… morehildren to relative safety, he gets to say goodbye,
This. It's like the entire season led up to that moment. He put in so much work and so many people died. I wasn't going to just say, "NO. I WILL STAY WITH YOU." Then his sacrifice would have been pointless.
Also, based on what you guys are saying about the option of staying with him, I guess they show a death scene with him or something. I don't even want to know. That ending was My Only Ending for season two.
Yeah and given the length of the episodes I think Kenny and Jane or even Edith could've been apart of the story. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm really on your side. Just kind of spewing things out right now. I would've even stomached it if they only survived to episode 3 or 4. But those flashbacks needed way more depth and time. You're right, it felt rushed. I wish there was a way to fix it now but I'm worried it's way too late now.
I don't think the theme of Kenny's death is bad. The thing that offended me about the flashback was that it occured now and in such a rushed… more fashion.
He's written to act irresponsibly and we get a bare minimum of interaction. Telltale threw the biggest choice we ever had in TWD under the bus and showed they didn't have any regard, skill or ambition towards trying to make it work with the main story. Kenny and Jane could have been such interesting elements in the relationship between Javier and Clem, possibly a interesting point of conflict.
Yeah and given the length of the episodes I think Kenny and Jane or even Edith could've been apart of the story. I'm not disagreeing with yo… moreu. I'm really on your side. Just kind of spewing things out right now. I would've even stomached it if they only survived to episode 3 or 4. But those flashbacks needed way more depth and time. You're right, it felt rushed. I wish there was a way to fix it now but I'm worried it's way too late now.
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I agree with you. I'm really torn right now between Wellington and the car accident for my canon. Currently on my playthrough I have Wellington leaving him unknown and hopefully alive out there. But the car accident scene is true to his character and Clementine spent two more years with him at least. It's just a shame we missed most of those two years...I think the most tragic way for Kenny to die is like you said feeling like a villain and a failure and especially if the last thing he does is stab Jane, only to be shot in the head by someone he deeply loved and cared for.
I'm still holding out hope Telltale gives us even bigger and better flashbacks for Clem yet. I think we should get to have a proper conversation with Kenny/Jane/Edith and not just in a death scene. I'm hoping Telltale comes up with something nifty because there's a lot of potential left here. I hope they're seeing and hearing it.
Popcorn tastes pretty good.
I doubt the Wellington ending will ever reveal what happens to him. Maybe a developer will have a brain fart and reveal it in a random tweet some day.
There are two points I consider with the ending:
1) Wellington. As you mentioned, we can have the hope he's out there somewhere. Maybe he found someone else that can be his family, perhaps he's saving another baby. Perhaps he's stalking the wilderness around Wellington, standing ready in case he can get in some day. The point is that it's nice to imagine that he doesn't take the sports bag just to to pop his brains out behind a tree, he's a fighter, I doubt he ends it himself if anything.
2) Staying with him. One thing that I hope till be important is that he gets to be a part of AJ's life for a little longer. He gets to see him grow and has some influence on his upbringing and perhaps on how Clementine will raise him further. He gets to breathe, he gets to dream. I think the one thing Kenny gets from the stay ending is the chance to live a little bit and not just be a survivor.
I keep two main saves now, identical in all choices but with the difference in staying in Wellington or staying with Kenny. I wanna see how both turn out, although I doubt Telltale wanna touch on it more.
When Clem flees Wellington I took his hat first when she is grabbing the "essentials." It's like his hat is possibly a sign that he will return in this season (if you weren't a moron in season two).
I'm getting mad upvotes on Reddit for this post ^ as well.
This. It's like the entire season led up to that moment. He put in so much work and so many people died. I wasn't going to just say, "NO. I WILL STAY WITH YOU." Then his sacrifice would have been pointless.
Also, based on what you guys are saying about the option of staying with him, I guess they show a death scene with him or something. I don't even want to know. That ending was My Only Ending for season two.
Yeah great points in both. It's a tough call. I mean realistically I could see the accident thing playing out randomly in the world. The reason it's anticlimactic is because it's not "cinematic". It's kind of brutally realistic. We could never imagine a big character like Kenny dying simply from that but in a way death doesn't pick favorites. But he still gets to be heroic in his final moments. I'm hoping the paralysis at least helped ease the pain he had to endure in that moment. Man I'm so torn. I'll have to wait until the season is over.
Also, one other point I'd like to address is I'm really hoping Telltale didn't walk themselves into a corner. It is hard to develop Clementine if we ignore her past and especially if the new players of the series don't learn her past. Even Michonne in the comics got background. I REALLY hope Kenny/Jane/Edith's deaths are not the ending of her backstory and it simply focuses on the New Frontier. There's so much more to her that even Javier and the others don't know.
I don't think the theme of Kenny's death is bad. The thing that offended me about the flashback was that it occured now and in such a rushed fashion.
He's written to act irresponsibly and we get a bare minimum of interaction. Telltale threw the biggest choice we ever had in TWD under the bus and showed they didn't have any regard, skill or ambition towards trying to make it work with the main story. Kenny and Jane could have been such interesting elements in the relationship between Javier and Clem, possibly a interesting point of conflict.
Ah, sorry I didn't tag spoilers, I assumed everyone who read the thread was caught up with events
Yeah and given the length of the episodes I think Kenny and Jane or even Edith could've been apart of the story. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm really on your side. Just kind of spewing things out right now. I would've even stomached it if they only survived to episode 3 or 4. But those flashbacks needed way more depth and time. You're right, it felt rushed. I wish there was a way to fix it now but I'm worried it's way too late now.
Don't worry, I wasn't trying to argue with you, I know we are discussing from the same viewpoint.
I am fuck jane manipulative b-word.
I went with the official Telltale ending which was Clem alone, but with the variation that Clem was in Wellington