While I don't care much that Larry died, Kenny still apologized for having killed him. Lilly, of course, turned that down.
And while we don't know what happened between Episode 2 and 3, we know for sure that their relationship detoriated. Initially that might be Kenny's fault since he killed her dad, but I also think that Lilly never gave im a chance either.
So I wouldn't put, besides the killing which I deem justified, the whole fault at Kenny.
I apologized, and so did he
An apology for turning against Lee almost entirely unprovoked and with little reasoning other then "Kenn… morey smash."
And is an apology toward Lee after Lee initiated the extended olive branch really justification for him to act like a cruel child toward Lilly without so much as any affectionate reconciliation for her loss at his hands?
I guess by that logic, had Lilly apologized to Kenny first after her fathers' brains were painted on her face, Kenny would've been the saint for accepting it and allowing her to rim his butthole.
Kenny gave Lee a chance and sometimes things happen out of our control. Like in Con Air were that man killed a man in self defense. A man once had a spotless criminal record and one night he was drinking. A random person flipped him off and he hit the car. The car went into a light pole and killed the passenger, a pregnant woman.
The man says that when he gets out in 13 years that he'd never drink again. He regrets it everyday. Keep in mind also that Lee is from a small town area so murders rarely happened. Larry was just an a hole anyway.
Hence why I included Lilly in that comment. Plus, Kenny just killed Larry a few weeks/months ago because his main concern is Duck and Katjaa's safety. He'd be pretty hypocritical to hold it against you if you're on good terms with him.
Lilly said that he had heart attacks before that he didn't recover from, that he needed medical assistance for. This was a massive heart attack and there were clearly no doctors or medicinal supplies available.
The rate at which people actually turn into walkers varies, but it has been suggested than more aggressive people turn faster because they are almost more in tune with the nature of walkers. Larry was an aggressive guy with a bad temper and he was already pissed off and wanting to kill the St. John's when he died. By this logic he would've turned rather quickly.
Larry was huge, and all muscle. He is probably as big as Tripp if not bigger. If he had turned, it would've been a bloodbath. They would not have been able to use the salt lick as easily if he was already moving and especially not if he was standing up. Larry as a walker would be an unmanagable threat by that point; someone would've died, maybe even Lilly since she was right in front of him.
He wouldn't have shown Lee, Kenny, Clem, or anyone else but Lilly the same mercy.
Actually Ninja, you can instantly die from a heart attack. It depends on the arteries and how severe the attack is. My great uncle died from a heart attack in front of his family. He was smiling and gardening, then just dropped like that. My grandpa told me that as I was born in 1993 and he died in the early 80's.
Kenny wasn't an asshole though. He was looking out for the group. Nothing wrong with that because Larry was going to turn. In a zombie apocalypse it's best to just leave the true assholes who tried to leave you to die behind.
Kenny wasn't an asshole though. He was looking out for the group. Nothing wrong with that because Larry was going to turn. In a zombie apocalypse it's best to just leave the true assholes who tried to leave you to die behind.
Kenny gave Lee a chance and sometimes things happen out of our control. Like in Con Air were that man killed a man in self defense. A man on… morece had a spotless criminal record and one night he was drinking. A random person flipped him off and he hit the car. The car went into a light pole and killed the passenger, a pregnant woman.
The man says that when he gets out in 13 years that he'd never drink again. He regrets it everyday. Keep in mind also that Lee is from a small town area so murders rarely happened. Larry was just an a hole anyway.
Pressing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
We are not to know that as it's not something that was tested previously by anyone. In that situation no one truly understood how the virus or whatever actually worked. People just knew that when you die you turn. It could have sped up reanimation and also it may not have. Neither is a fact
He can't have been turning into a walker, as he only moves like that if you press on his chest enough, but the same length of time transpires. Pressing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
I keep saying this to you man, you go all ape shit for what Kenny did to Larry but if you were in that meat locker i bet you'd be shitting bricks as well and for anyone standing there like a lemon or taking a stupid risk to save a man who not only punched me in the face and left me to die at the drugstore and who certainly wouldn't try and revive me had it been the other way around, i certainly would not be taking the chance to let him turn to put us all in danger.
FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode opening is the perfect nod to the meat locker scene and is exactly why i wouldn't try reviving someone who just had a heart attack. Did you see that episode?
Sorry, think what you will. As hard and horrible as it was, I think my own life and my friends lives are more important than sparing someone's feelings in a life and death situation. The funny thing about all this is, Lilly even says she was willing to forgive Kenny for what he did and can determinately say that part of her understands why they did what they did.
I apologized, and so did he
An apology for turning against Lee almost entirely unprovoked and with little reasoning other then "Kenn… morey smash."
And is an apology toward Lee after Lee initiated the extended olive branch really justification for him to act like a cruel child toward Lilly without so much as any affectionate reconciliation for her loss at his hands?
I guess by that logic, had Lilly apologized to Kenny first after her fathers' brains were painted on her face, Kenny would've been the saint for accepting it and allowing her to rim his butthole.
They left his death ambiguous. He stopped breathing, fact is he may have been dead or may still have been alive. He could have been about to turn. We'll never know. There is no "he was/he wasn't"' thing about this
He definitely WAS NOT turning! You don't instantly die from a heart attack, mate; that's not how they work. Hell, someone could be wide awak… moree when having a heart attack! Also, reanimation times vary to a large extent, but if Larry DID die from his heart attack (which I doubt he did cuz that would've been an instant death and that's next to impossible when you have a heart attack) he wouldn't have turned so bloody quick! It's a possibility, but how often do you see someone turn as soon as they're dead? The virus has to take some time to activate, it's not an immediate thing.
Also, if Larry were turning or has turned, you'd have heard some sort of moan, groan, growl or snarl out of him before attacking. His skin would've been AT LEAST pale and his teeth would've been a bit rotted. He also would've smelled like death.
I keep saying this to you man, you go all ape shit for what Kenny did to Larry but if you were in that meat locker i bet you'd be shitting b… morericks as well and for anyone standing there like a lemon or taking a stupid risk to save a man who not only punched me in the face and left me to die at the drugstore and who certainly wouldn't try and revive me had it been the other way around, i certainly would not be taking the chance to let him turn to put us all in danger.
FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode opening is the perfect nod to the meat locker scene and is exactly why i wouldn't try reviving someone who just had a heart attack. Did you see that episode?
Sorry, think what you will. As hard and horrible as it was, I think my own life and my friends lives are more important than sparing someone's feelings in a life and death situation. The funny thing about all this is, Lilly even says she was willing to forgive Kenny for what he did and can determinately say that part of her understands why they did what they did.
Kenny wasn't an asshole though. He was looking out for the group. Nothing wrong with that because Larry was going to turn. In a zombie apocalypse it's best to just leave the true assholes who tried to leave you to die behind.
I think it would've been nice for him to have a goodbye scene with Lilly though, give him a moment where you see his loving side and not his ass charm.
If only someone thought of bringing medicine with them to the St. John's Dairy Farm, you'd think someone would considering the severity of Larry's condition and their somewhat survivalist mentalities at the time.
He wasn't reanimating as he only moves his mouth if you press on him enough times, which doesn't speed up reanimation. There are low odds bu… moret here it happened.
Of course he wouldn't have been able to survive after reviving without medication, but he may have been able to say goodbye to his daughter
Was one of the few people to show some care over Clementine
He was Lilly's rock and the only thing, apart from Clementine, that she really had left
He was one of the hardest workers of the group
Although it was an asshole move, when he knocked Lee out and then threatened him later, I kinda understood why he did those things, it was the way Larry knew to be protective of the people he cared about - he didn't want to risk having a convicted murderer in the group although he wouldn't have been much better himself had Lee died tbh.
He had charm coming out of his ass!
He actually tries or successfully saves Lee if you gave him the axe.
He was a human being and apart of the group, sure Lee didn't get along with him but my Lee didn't fully get along with Lilly or Kenny or even Ben and Christa but that doesn't justify letting them die in my opinion, even if they've all done their part to lead Lee and the group to near death...
In my opinion, Larry wasn't the biggest asshole of Season One, there are a few other worthy contenders.
The fuck'd up thing about that is that there's an unused line where Lee/Kenny discover that they actually had medicine with them and Lily calls hem out on it.
If only someone thought of bringing medicine with them to the St. John's Dairy Farm, you'd think someone would considering the severity of Larry's condition and their somewhat survivalist mentalities at the time.
I tried to save Larry because he:
* Was one of the few people to show some care over Clementine
* He was Lilly's rock and the only thi… moreng, apart from Clementine, that she really had left
* He was one of the hardest workers of the group
* Although it was an asshole move, when he knocked Lee out and then threatened him later, I kinda understood why he did those things, it was the way Larry knew to be protective of the people he cared about - he didn't want to risk having a convicted murderer in the group although he wouldn't have been much better himself had Lee died tbh.
* He had charm coming out of his ass!
* He actually tries or successfully saves Lee if you gave him the axe.
* He was a human being and apart of the group, sure Lee didn't get along with him but my Lee didn't fully get along with Lilly or Kenny or even Ben and Christa but that doesn't justify letting them die in my opinion, even if they've all done their part to lead… [view original content]
It still was a jerk move (Larry trying to leave Lee behind). Just because he killed someone doesn't mean he is a bad person. Not everything is black and white. I mean, he risked his life and lives of everyone just to bring him his goddamn medicine.
Larry was a dead man, even if he managed to get through that situation. Not saving him wasn't jerky or inhuman decision - it was a reasonable decision. Not killing him was simply too risky. And the reward was almost non-existent, even if Lee somehow saved him.
"Sometimes you have to hurt someone else to protect the people you care about."
In a zombie apocalypse it's best to just leave the true assholes who tried to leave you to die behind.
With the exception of when what the asshole did was understandable because you were a convicted killer on the run with a small girl.
I'm saying that sometimes things happen out of our control. For Larry to hate Lee cause he killed a man is foolish. Murders rarely happen in Lee's town so that should have been a hint to Larry
The way I saw it, he was willing to kill me for no reason whatsoever so why would I risk the ENTIRE group because of the slight possibility he hadn't just died? If Kenny, Lee, and Lilly had died in that meat locker Katjaa and Duck are forever prisoners, and Carley and Ben sure as hell wouldn't had been able to take anybody down by themselves.
That's some fuzzy logic you got there because, if murders hardly happen in Lee's neighborhood(still not sure why that matters), that makes him stand out even more.
Really, the main reason Larry, the Stranger, and determinately Kenny all express anger and mistrust towards because they feel he is a danger to the potential danger to the people they care about.
I'm saying that sometimes things happen out of our control. For Larry to hate Lee cause he killed a man is foolish. Murders rarely happen in Lee's town so that should have been a hint to Larry
I'm actually surprised people tried to save that piece of shit. This guy attempts to kill you and then you're all hanging out in the motor inn like nothing happen while he continues to threaten you. I mean unfuckingbelievable especially in a zombie apocalypse who in the right mind even the nicest people would shoot this fucker a long time ago. I wanted to kill this guy don't care if it means I'll be kicked out of the group he is nothing but an endanger in Lee's life. It really shouldn't surprise others that you would kill him either so they shouldn't even kick you out of the group he punched you just as you're trying to escape the zombie attack just after you saved his dumbass. The only logical choice is to kill him off as quickly as possible.
Oh, and Kenny was a violent selfish asshole who not only murdered a woman's father in one of the most gruesome ways imaginable (I mean, she had her father's brain matter in her mouth). But proceeded to treat her like everything she felt was her fault and continued being an unkind nasty fuck to her at every turn.
I've come to agree with kenny about the larry situation, it really was the best course of action. Larry was very likely dead and cpr would have done very little. Even Lilly seems to come to understand this by episode 3. However I still cant forgive kenny for how horrible he is about it afterwards towards lilly and the fact he leaves lee to die twice just because he wont help him. Even if it is due to kenny being so insecure and needing to be told he did well. the fact kenny is a massive hypocrite about it when it comes to duck is something else as well.
Sheesh.
I know this new season is pretty bad, but I didn't think that it was bad enough to warrant people going back to discuss far super… moreior titles in the franchise.
Oh, and Kenny was a violent selfish asshole who not only murdered a woman's father in one of the most gruesome ways imaginable (I mean, she had her father's brain matter in her mouth). But proceeded to treat her like everything she felt was her fault and continued being an unkind nasty fuck to her at every turn.
The way I saw it, he was willing to kill me for no reason whatsoever so why would I risk the ENTIRE group because of the slight possibility … morehe hadn't just died? If Kenny, Lee, and Lilly had died in that meat locker Katjaa and Duck are forever prisoners, and Carley and Ben sure as hell wouldn't had been able to take anybody down by themselves.
Lee doesn't go out of his way to kill Larry who attempted to kill him during a zombie invasion. If it wasn't for Kenny Lee would be dead.
Kenny kills Larry because he could turn into a zombie wasn't going to take that chance. They really had no weapon to use against a zombie that would be several times their size.
Lilly shoots Carley because she insulted him.
I don't know Lilly's reason to shoot her was really unnecessary of all that other kills I've seen.
hum... can i argue the fact that the only time Kenny speaks to Lily after the incident on episode 2 is when they argue about leaving or stay… moreng in the motor inn and the only time after that event where he s violent towards her is when She murdered Carley in a way that was even more cold blooded than Kenny murdering Larry? Because Larry could have indeed turned in that scene it was not 100% certain that he would turn but atleast there s a reason as to why Kenny killed Larry while Lily kills Carley because she insulted her and she also tries to kill Ben if Doug s alive because she thought he was the traitor who gave the supplies to the bandits ((Even thought he ended up being the traitor doesnt mean she would have known for certain))
Well seeing as Larry was made to hate, I didn't feel bad when I helped Kenny bash his head open. When you put Kenny, Lee, and Clem in danger, you are dead to me. Larry tried to kill Duck and Lee. I beat up Lilley and left her for walker food.
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While I don't care much that Larry died, Kenny still apologized for having killed him. Lilly, of course, turned that down.
And while we don't know what happened between Episode 2 and 3, we know for sure that their relationship detoriated. Initially that might be Kenny's fault since he killed her dad, but I also think that Lilly never gave im a chance either.
So I wouldn't put, besides the killing which I deem justified, the whole fault at Kenny.
To be fair I was shocked to learn that Clem was half Black. I thought that she was fully Asian. Larry might also think this.
Kenny gave Lee a chance and sometimes things happen out of our control. Like in Con Air were that man killed a man in self defense. A man once had a spotless criminal record and one night he was drinking. A random person flipped him off and he hit the car. The car went into a light pole and killed the passenger, a pregnant woman.
The man says that when he gets out in 13 years that he'd never drink again. He regrets it everyday. Keep in mind also that Lee is from a small town area so murders rarely happened. Larry was just an a hole anyway.
Actually Ninja, you can instantly die from a heart attack. It depends on the arteries and how severe the attack is. My great uncle died from a heart attack in front of his family. He was smiling and gardening, then just dropped like that. My grandpa told me that as I was born in 1993 and he died in the early 80's.
Clementine isn't half black, both of her parents are Black.
Kenny wasn't an asshole though. He was looking out for the group. Nothing wrong with that because Larry was going to turn. In a zombie apocalypse it's best to just leave the true assholes who tried to leave you to die behind.
With the exception of when what the asshole did was understandable because you were a convicted killer on the run with a small girl.
Not sure what you're getting at here, but okay.
We are not to know that as it's not something that was tested previously by anyone. In that situation no one truly understood how the virus or whatever actually worked. People just knew that when you die you turn. It could have sped up reanimation and also it may not have. Neither is a fact
Oh, that scene...
I agree. Larry wasn't turning. I mean... A couple seconds after the heart attack? No.
I keep saying this to you man, you go all ape shit for what Kenny did to Larry but if you were in that meat locker i bet you'd be shitting bricks as well and for anyone standing there like a lemon or taking a stupid risk to save a man who not only punched me in the face and left me to die at the drugstore and who certainly wouldn't try and revive me had it been the other way around, i certainly would not be taking the chance to let him turn to put us all in danger.
FTWD's Do Not Disturb episode opening is the perfect nod to the meat locker scene and is exactly why i wouldn't try reviving someone who just had a heart attack. Did you see that episode?
Sorry, think what you will. As hard and horrible as it was, I think my own life and my friends lives are more important than sparing someone's feelings in a life and death situation. The funny thing about all this is, Lilly even says she was willing to forgive Kenny for what he did and can determinately say that part of her understands why they did what they did.
They left his death ambiguous. He stopped breathing, fact is he may have been dead or may still have been alive. He could have been about to turn. We'll never know. There is no "he was/he wasn't"' thing about this
I don't want to have this discussion with you again, Dan.
I was explaining and reiterating my perspective. Nothing more.
CPR won't revive someone against a heart attack, you'd need a defibrillator, I think he was starting to turn possibly.
Pffffffffffft.
I think it would've been nice for him to have a goodbye scene with Lilly though, give him a moment where you see his loving side and not his ass charm.
If only someone thought of bringing medicine with them to the St. John's Dairy Farm, you'd think someone would considering the severity of Larry's condition and their somewhat survivalist mentalities at the time.
I tried to save Larry because he:
In my opinion, Larry wasn't the biggest asshole of Season One, there are a few other worthy contenders.
The fuck'd up thing about that is that there's an unused line where Lee/Kenny discover that they actually had medicine with them and Lily calls hem out on it.
All great reasons! Asshole as he may be, Larry is still one of the examples of why I like this series.
Fixed.
It still was a jerk move (Larry trying to leave Lee behind). Just because he killed someone doesn't mean he is a bad person. Not everything is black and white. I mean, he risked his life and lives of everyone just to bring him his goddamn medicine.
Larry was a dead man, even if he managed to get through that situation. Not saving him wasn't jerky or inhuman decision - it was a reasonable decision. Not killing him was simply too risky. And the reward was almost non-existent, even if Lee somehow saved him.
"Sometimes you have to hurt someone else to protect the people you care about."
Hakuna matata
I'm saying that sometimes things happen out of our control. For Larry to hate Lee cause he killed a man is foolish. Murders rarely happen in Lee's town so that should have been a hint to Larry
He was definitely turning.
But if he wasn't, who cares? He was an asshole who was willing to kill me for no reason. Hope he burns in Hell.
She looks Asian to me ^_^
The way I saw it, he was willing to kill me for no reason whatsoever so why would I risk the ENTIRE group because of the slight possibility he hadn't just died? If Kenny, Lee, and Lilly had died in that meat locker Katjaa and Duck are forever prisoners, and Carley and Ben sure as hell wouldn't had been able to take anybody down by themselves.
That's some fuzzy logic you got there because, if murders hardly happen in Lee's neighborhood(still not sure why that matters), that makes him stand out even more.
Really, the main reason Larry, the Stranger, and determinately Kenny all express anger and mistrust towards because they feel he is a danger to the potential danger to the people they care about.
I think I saw someone mention that she was modeled after an asian staff member's daughter, but don't quote me on that.
If you perform CPR on someone who experienced a heart attack, you just buy him some time untill the medics shown up. Nothing more. End of story.
I'm actually surprised people tried to save that piece of shit. This guy attempts to kill you and then you're all hanging out in the motor inn like nothing happen while he continues to threaten you. I mean unfuckingbelievable especially in a zombie apocalypse who in the right mind even the nicest people would shoot this fucker a long time ago. I wanted to kill this guy don't care if it means I'll be kicked out of the group he is nothing but an endanger in Lee's life. It really shouldn't surprise others that you would kill him either so they shouldn't even kick you out of the group he punched you just as you're trying to escape the zombie attack just after you saved his dumbass. The only logical choice is to kill him off as quickly as possible.
I've come to agree with kenny about the larry situation, it really was the best course of action. Larry was very likely dead and cpr would have done very little. Even Lilly seems to come to understand this by episode 3. However I still cant forgive kenny for how horrible he is about it afterwards towards lilly and the fact he leaves lee to die twice just because he wont help him. Even if it is due to kenny being so insecure and needing to be told he did well. the fact kenny is a massive hypocrite about it when it comes to duck is something else as well.
Yeah makes no sense to me that people actually tried to save this guy. I was waiting for this opportunity for a long time.
Eh... Carley is a pretty good shot if she's armed though.
Maybe they did it for Lilly.
Hmmm
Lee doesn't go out of his way to kill Larry who attempted to kill him during a zombie invasion. If it wasn't for Kenny Lee would be dead.
Kenny kills Larry because he could turn into a zombie wasn't going to take that chance. They really had no weapon to use against a zombie that would be several times their size.
Lilly shoots Carley because she insulted him.
I don't know Lilly's reason to shoot her was really unnecessary of all that other kills I've seen.
Your right.
Yes she does it doesn't mean she is, she looks Asian because her designer wanted Clementine to remind him of his daughter.
he may have been revived
Well seeing as Larry was made to hate, I didn't feel bad when I helped Kenny bash his head open. When you put Kenny, Lee, and Clem in danger, you are dead to me. Larry tried to kill Duck and Lee. I beat up Lilley and left her for walker food.