Becca and Alvin took Omid and Christa's role in season 2?
TheRedEyeJedi
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it never made sense to me that a preggers christa was written into season 1 only to be pretty much killed off at the very start of season 2 only for ANOTHER preggers woman to show up almost instantly. I reckon TTs original plan was to have Omid and Christa be a bigger part of season 2, but then realized they needed a bigger time skip so Clem could have a chance to grow up a bit and make her actions in season 2 a bit more realistic. ( Picture clem from season 1 stiching up her own arm like that for example, it just don't sit right, right? )
but they still wanted to do the preggers woman in the apocalypse storyline, so instead of scrapping it, they killed off Omid and christa and wrote in Alvin and Becca.
Imagine how much more emotional it would have been if it was OMID we had to say goodbye to in carvers office? and if it was Christa sitting in that tire and we had to choose to shoot her or not! these where characters that we knew and loved from season 1 after all!
Notice how we NEVER found out the exact circumstances of Christas babys death? all we ever got was Clem saying ' no not again ' ......
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When I first saw that "16 months later" I thought TT's gonna take that route and explain it later, as some cool mystery background for future build-up and development. Instead, they got rid of Christa so soon after Omid and didn't even bother to clear up her determinant status at the end of the game. It's just a waste of a good, fleshed out character with a proper story, as it's very unlikely that we will see her again. First, it's been a long time and, the new players wouldn't care, and secondly, it would make no sense whatsoever... her to suddenly jumping over Richmond's walls just for the sake of NPC which Clementine now is.
wild Christa appears!
Christa: "heya Clem, how's goin'? whoa, you've got boobs now."
Clem: "oh hi Christa, remember your dead husband and your kind-of-dead baby? what happened to it again, I have amnesia and the S2 plot didn't care to explain it."
Christa: "heh yeah, S2 just skipped 1 year and a half of us surviving the apocalypse. How lame is it. Who am I again?"
Clem: "well duh, I asked for you in determinant Wellington ending. Isn't it enough?"
Christa: "you made it to Wellington? nice."
Clem: "yah. oh, and I met Kenny. he died. again."
Christa: "niiiice. who's baby is it?"
Clem: "oh this is AJ. He is-"
Christa: ...
Christa: takes AJ
Christa: "I shall name you Omid and you will grow up as a replacement of another Omid who was killed by the plot."
Anyway, I'm kinda bitter, even though I was never a fan of Christa. I liked Omid though, but look how that turned out.
That would have been infinitely better than what actually transpired. I felt like Rebecca and Alvin were the most bland characters out of the whole cabin group and their relationships to Clementine were unrealistic.
I shot Carver when he had Alvin hostage, but you can bet your ass that I would have surrendered if he had Omid (ie. a character that I had an actual history and friendship with).
Also, imagine how much better the Kenny reunion would have been.
They threw Christa into a plot hole of their own design and didn't bother to give her a ladder - and then they just shoved Rebecca into our faces. Don't get me wrong, I like Rebecca and Alvin but why did they have to kill off/get rid of Omid and Christa?? smh, im still salty
Roles of Maybelle and Kenny's boat, I'd say. They were on a screen, didn't do much and... disappeared.
Im getting chills just thinking about how that scene in Carvers office would have been if it was Omid in the chair...
I would've been a wreck. It was already kind of emotional for me with Alvin, and I liked Omid a whole lot more. He wasn't on the same level as Kenny or Lee for me, but he was among my favorites in the season 1 group.
You know, this is one of those things where I kinda rolled my eyes a bit at Season 1 junkies deeming everything in Season 2 as just a ripoff regardless of the differences and the incredible vagueness of the similarities. However, having had time to think things over after experiencing it for myself, I do now agree that Rebecca may have been an intentional replacement for Christa, as they are very suspiciously similar. I still say Alvin was obviously meant to be a very different character from Omid though, since there's no similarities to them beyond being nicer satellite characters to their wife/babymomma(?). Either way, he and Rebecca were designed to resemble Ed and Diana to help Clementine get used to them and further push the apparent underlying idea of the Season 2 cast being reflections of Clementine's character.
Still a better story than season 3 so far
I say the story would have been so much better had they kept them in the story. They'd be retained characters from a previous season so while making the two seasons tie in with eachother instead of making a thousand redundant references towards it while also continue character arcs of two original characters and giving them far better and more definitive and meaningful deaths than the shit shows they were given because Telltale hadn't had the guts to toss their hats in and write more complex, compelling characters opposed to new ones that we don't has the same attachment towards. Also the effect of Carver killing Omid and her transition into an angered more ruthless woman at watching his maiming via Carver after him causing the death of a character we also cared for may have had a bigger impact on us as an audience
You know, I recall asking this a while back: how do you think it would've went over if Christa and Omid were subbed in their places, but the story and roles were the same, with everything that entails?
There really was no need to get rid of Christa and Omid especially when you look at what we ended up getting.
FUCK NO!
Omid and Christa are two-of-a-kind.
Well Clem losing Christa and Omid IMO helped her mature and adapt; Christa was the closest thing to a parent she had after Lee, and I think losing her almost benefitted her because she got better at coping with loss.
And to those who may argue against this, just look at what happened to Kenny and Lilly and Nick and Sarah... gosh, I never realised there were so many!
Seriously though, it would have been so much better. Like, it'd be emotional because we have known them since episode 3/4.
It took me a minute to figure out the heck you were talking about but true enough.
Please don't do this to me...
...What?
I was wondering who actually penned Rebecca and Alvin into the plot. Apparently, before leaving Telltale, Sean Vanaman wrote a rough outline for the story and let Nick Breckon take over, with only two of Vanaman's scenes being left in. We don't know what these two scenes could be, especially since they could possibly be the first two (the diner bathroom death and the camping with Christa segment).
It's worth noting that they're in the concept art with the other Cabin Group members, Christa, the North Carolina Scavengers, and Johnny. So I assume they were made around the general timeframe that Mr. Vanaman was leaving.
Wellington was a consistency in Nick Breckon episodes, so I wanna say he did the camping with Christa scene. I think the second may have been either the scene where she meets Sarah or more likely the scene when she's talking to Luke near the end.
Yeah, i agree with you all. Omid and Christa would have been so much better than Rebecca and Alvin, even though I like those characters.
Also, imagine how much more important AJ would feel if it were Omid and Christa's baby.
Also, I think TT overlooked a pre-build parallel which could've been the most interesting part of S2 if it was developed in a right direction.
Omid as a father vs Alvin or Carver as possible fathers.
Christa losing her baby vs Rebecca having her baby born.
Christa surviving misscariage/childbirth/? and forced to live on with the memory of a lost child vs Rebecca dying from exhaustion and blood loss.
Think about it, it would be a great opportunity to combine these two similarities into a story of a mother who had lost her child. When she thought she's reconciled with fate and escaped her past, she faces another child, orphaned and alone (shuu, Clementine), and the story goes on. Or perhaps it would be too The-Last-of-Us-like and I'm just exaggerating.
They didn't bother to give her moustached man to boost her up either
In the butt?
I wonder what would have caused Omid to get beat up in Carver's chair
Oh. My. Goodness....
Which is apparently what they originally had in mind, funnily enough.
Also, I guess you can say Kenny caught a case of Cabin Fever.
What? ;-;
Well, now that I've found it again, I think dan###### came up with something vaguely similar. But the gist was that it's a pretty amazing idea.
Probably just to enrage the group since Omid is the most lighthearted person in the group
When Sean and Jake left, the good version of S2 left with them.
I still so wished my original season 2 idea took place
We all respectively do, buddy. I should go read that a second time at some point since I have it on my follow menu.
Thanks man
I wish they replaced Rebecca and Alvin with Christa and Omid, and replaced Carver with Kenny.
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Which is apparently what they originally had in mind, funnily enough
Explain Please?
Well, the Chromid and AJ's parents thing is a somewhat easy assumption/realization on the fact that Christa would've had the baby by the time Clementine was aged up to her Season 2 self and Rebecca is a very similar character to the point that it's safe to assume she was created to fill in that plothole without throwing away the story concept.
Meanwhile, Gavin Hammon confirmed at a con that when he was first contacted to be in Season 2, the original story had Kenny as "Carver" at the time but it was changed by the time he actually came in to record A House Divided. Hence why Carver is made out to be an Evil Counterpart to Kenny in In Harm's Way when everything beforehand clearly built up for him to be one to Carlos.