Opinion on Clem killing Eli?
Eli was the guy who sold her the faulty bullets in TTB Part 1. Do you think it was OOC for her?
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Eli was the guy who sold her the faulty bullets in TTB Part 1. Do you think it was OOC for her?
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I mean, idk. It was on accident and she never meant to pull the trigger. Even if she did she probably thought it was a fake bullet like last time.
Since it was an accident, you can't tell if it's OOC or not. She obviously didn't want to kill him on purpose, rather making a point by firing blind bullets. Obviously some of the bullets worked, without either of them knowing.
Her reaction afterwards was, well, shocked. But a) Eli was a dipshit and b) your own skin is more important than grieving for a rip-off asshole. So I wouldn't necessarily say OOC for Clementine that scene.
Exactly. She never meant to kill him. But it's his own fault for what happened and that he threatened them.
That and she had a right to kill him anyway. He pulled out a knife and tried to stab Javier.
Yep. Self Defense.
Accident or not, she killed a man. Dead don't care whether she wanted it or not, Clementine should've at least shown some repentance or be ashamed of what she's done. If not, she's gonna end up killing right and left and eventually turn into one of those beasts, deprived of feelings and morals. And I don't want it to happen.
Exactly why I made this thread. She still killed someone regardless.
He does that after Clem pulls a gun on him and pulls the trigger. I don't think self defense applies here.
Not cool.
EDIT: But I don't think it was OOC. It was wrong but I think it was in character. She was headed down a dark path but hopefully she can still be pulled back from it.
Yeah, Clem pulled the trigger twice before the gun finally fired. She literally instigated.
It was self defense
Yeah I remember when Clem killed Billy Yoder from Jurassic Park for yet another screwy deal. Clem was right about the bogus deal.... but was wrong for killing the guy over it. Went from sweet pea to sour pea now, I guess we could blame the PMS?
Reckless, she should've known better.
Eh, his crap bullets could've gotten her killed and he did try to murder her AND Javi with a knife. Not gonna argue whether what she did was morally right or not, but it was accident. In the wrong or not I'm not really shedding any tears for the dude. Also I kinda like the idea of Clem eventually not caring for human life. Just would seem like an interesting turn for the story.
It can't be OCC ... she didn't want to kill him.
She didn't want to, but she did regardless.
he deserved it, could've killed her.
No it was not ooc anymore than killing zombies is ooc. Consider...she is probably not the only one he sold those shoddy bullets to. How many of his customers found out the hard way that the bullets were faulty. And if he was honest he would have either replaced them or tried to make good one the deal. To say that Clem was more than a little pissed is an understatement. Could the situation have been handled better? Sure.
But Eli dug his own grave by basically selling a death sentence to Clementine in the first place...and as Tripp intimated...Eli would have gotten killed sooner or later anyway.
Now is it ooc....my Clem watched Kenny beat Carver to death and was forcibly separated from AJ, whom she was determined to get back...Eli put that goal in jeopardy. So yeah she was a little upset at the moment it happened...but fuck that guy....and after how many people she has had to kill just to stay alive...whats one more.
No it wasn't, she straight up aimed at a guy who had his arms up. It was very stupid of her.
While it was an accident she really shouldn't point a gun on someone unless you have the intention of shooting. I don't know if anyone has ever told her that so I don't know.
Just because she kills random strangers without remorse doesn't mean she's going to become a psychopath. She still cares about people she knows, just not random survivors. Plus, it's war; there are casualties in war and you can't let killing someone you don't know hold you back and bring you down. At the end of the day, it's survival that matters.
Yes, it was her fault Eli was killed, but it was an accident; she didn't kill him because she felt like it. I would be alarmed if Clem killed someone because she thought it felt good, or she wanted to. If she has a real reason to do so (such as self-defense or for the safety of a loved one) then there is nothing wrong with that. If it wasn't an accident, then it would be OOC, but it was just an accident.
He attacked Javier with a knife . Plus he was the first who attacked. Clem was just trying to make a point. (Pun intended)
Stranger or not, Eli died all the same. Him being a "random survivor" doesn't change a damn thing, she straight up murdered a man and all she did was to think how to get away with it.
Killing people shouldn't be easy or forgettable. It's not some magic gate you go through to become a cold-blooded monster, people slowly turn into one, and even seemingly small things are parts of this transformation. Clementine is very young and vulnerable to changes, it's quite easy for her to take a wrong turn and end up forever changed, especially now, when she doesn't have anyone to watch over her.
Right to kill someone? There's no such thing.
Exactly. He may have pulled a knife on Javi, but Clem had already pointed her gun at him and pulled the trigger more than once. She had no right.
She shouldn't point a gun at someone to "make a point". That's how you get your ass kicked.
It was reckless. Clementine, at that point in time, should've known how to use a gun and that when you go to point one at someone, they tend to die. Sure, the bullets were faulty and her reasons were decent, considering Eli sold her the bullets, but it doesn't change the fact she acted like an idiot. Then, after that, she expects Javier, the guy she held up not long ago, to cover for her even though she'd done nothing but cause trouble for him.
The entire scene just makes her look selfish and cold, very much like a certain somebody from season 2.
"Certain somebody"? Are you talking about Jane?
Yes, Eli attacked Javier, then Javi disarmed him and put him back on his chair. Eli raised his arms up to surrender and Clementine's pistol fired after she's intentionally reloaded it and pulled the trigger.
Well sort of. Lee does say only put your finger on the trigger if you want to hurt somebody.
She literally instigated the situation, and he wouldn't have pulled a knife on her had she not shoved her gun in his face.
Both are at fault. Too much stupid was happening in that scene.
Also is that how guns even work? Like her gun jammed and then later it just somehow unjammed and shot. I didn't see her mess with it during the argument. And the guns not a revolver. So shouldn't the jammed bullet still be stuck in the gun? I don't know much about guns.
She reloaded it at one point.
Yup.
Depends on your Clementine; I didn't think it was OOC for mine.
He was a dick. Kinda had it coming to him, but, Clemmy was at fault even if she didn't know all the bullets weren't faulty. But like I said, Eli a dick, he practically went to stab a child and he won't be missed.
So I don't see it OOC of Clem, it was just a pleasant accident.
I like how she doesn't give a shit she killed someone over some bullets.
Immediately focuses on not getting caught, and trusting a hostage to bail you out of it.
She's so ruined dude.
IMO the act itself wasn't ooc (I mean it was an accident) but her behaviour after maybe. We know Clem is empathetic and does have a good heart, so personally I would have liked to see some reflection on it. I liked seeing her switch into instinct survival mode and asking Javi to lie for her, but maybe when they're put in a cage and alone she could have expressed some regret over it. Bonus points if she acts differently depending on choices in previous seasons.
I thought it was utterly stupid for Clementine to assume that all of her bullets were faulty, and that she would even point a gun at someone more than once and pull the trigger. Accident or no, Clementine was old enough to know how dangerous guns are, and that she had no evidence at the time that all of the bullets she was given by Eli would not work.
But then again, Clementine's suddenly killing Eli is never mentioned again and Clementine doesn't exhibit more reckless behaviour that could compromise the safety of people around her again, or cause them to lose trust in her. I can't help but feel that this scene didn't really amount to much in the end.
I didn't see her reload the gun, but she did move the slider so that may have gotten rid of the jammed bullet. Think it should be more than that, but oh well.