Right?! I actually just realized that just a few days ago! I'm glad someone else realized it. Like, David at least reacted when Ava was brought out on the stage and when she died (somewhat), but with his supposed other good friend and fellow council member Dr. Lingard? Nothing. Literally nothing. Not even a quick shot of his face looking pissed, sad, or horrified? Even when Javier admits to it there's still no "WTF, Javi?!" by him off-screen. Some "friend" he was to Lingard. I can't tell if that was just Telltale being lazy or if David truly is that awful/cold-hearted. I'm gonna go ahead and assume the latter, honestly.
I can't tell who I hate more at this point--David or Jane. And that's really saying something.
Ava is indeed a very interesting character and I am happy to see people appreciating her. I was bothered by the issues you stated as well. … moreThe lack of reaction to her death, not only by Clementine, but the other characters really annoyed me. She deserved better than this. I expected David's reaction to be stronger... He doesn't even react to Lingard's death.
Can I just say that I don't get how can Conrad be overrated? Like, the guy was spared by only 10%(including me) and he doesn't have many fans to begin with. He was handled very well in Episode 3 and I wanted to see more of him. Gabe is more hated than loved, if you ask me.
I agree that David is overrated. He was basically the Kenny of the season and got the most attention.
I can't tell if that was just Telltale being lazy or if David truly is that awful/cold-hearted.
Probably laziness. While David would've known about Lingard's condition more than almost anyone else, he still should've had some sort of reaction to hearing he's dead.
I can't tell who I hate more at this point--David or Jane. And that's really saying something.
That was something I vaguely considered once or twice myself, but Jane still won out. Easily.
He doesn't even react to Lingard's death.
Right?! I actually just realized that just a few days ago! I'm glad someone else realized … moreit. Like, David at least reacted when Ava was brought out on the stage and when she died (somewhat), but with his supposed other good friend and fellow council member Dr. Lingard? Nothing. Literally nothing. Not even a quick shot of his face looking pissed, sad, or horrified? Even when Javier admits to it there's still no "WTF, Javi?!" by him off-screen. Some "friend" he was to Lingard. I can't tell if that was just Telltale being lazy or if David truly is that awful/cold-hearted. I'm gonna go ahead and assume the latter, honestly.
I can't tell who I hate more at this point--David or Jane. And that's really saying something.
Yeah true, but still, those are a few more death scenes that'll never sit well with me. Don't know what it is in the TWD world, some deaths just leave me dumbfounded. Like Omid's -_- Maybe I'm over analyzing but some things just don't seem logical.
The only character who elicited some form of interest out to me in ANF was Ava
That's almost how it was for me when those screenshots first came out, lol.
I'm still disappointed that her relationship with Clementine in the present time wasn't explored, especially with how Clementine never comments on Ava's death at all.
Yeah, seriously. The one remaining character who made Clementine's presence in the story feel legitimately worth something and she's cast aside as soon as inhumanely possible.
David to me was the worst offender, who easily ranks as the most overrated ANF character out of the entire cast.
Agreed. Which is kinda weird to say considering what characterization vs focus ratio he has.
(though Conrad and Gabe are close to the bottom as well)
Really now? I mean, I suppose they do have they're similarities with him, mind you, but still.
The only character who elicited some form of interest out to me in ANF was Ava, and I'm still disappointed that her relationship with Clemen… moretine in the present time wasn't explored, especially with how Clementine never comments on Ava's death at all.
Everyone else were either generic, unlikable, or inconsistent and nonsensical. David to me was the worst offender (though Conrad and Gabe are close to the bottom as well), who easily ranks as the most overrated ANF character out of the entire cast.
Ava is indeed a very interesting character and I am happy to see people appreciating her. I was bothered by the issues you stated as well. … moreThe lack of reaction to her death, not only by Clementine, but the other characters really annoyed me. She deserved better than this. I expected David's reaction to be stronger... He doesn't even react to Lingard's death.
Can I just say that I don't get how can Conrad be overrated? Like, the guy was spared by only 10%(including me) and he doesn't have many fans to begin with. He was handled very well in Episode 3 and I wanted to see more of him. Gabe is more hated than loved, if you ask me.
I agree that David is overrated. He was basically the Kenny of the season and got the most attention.
Like I've seen plenty of games or even in movies where someone accidentally or purposely shot a firearm and miss multiple people. My question is, how in the hell do you turn around and perfectly shoot someone and kill them without even aiming or focusing on getting a clean shot?! Not twice, but one good clean shot?? How?!? Teach me.
I just think it was a dick move. At least let them die fighting off walkers or something. Not just some random coming along with sharpshooter reflexes.
Like Omid's -_- Maybe I'm over analyzing but some things just don't seem logical.
Well, it was sorta the point there. And it was still more realistic/plausible than most of the later ones.
Well, he was, like, two steps away from being on her ass before the door startled both of them, so it's not that much of a stretch. Honestly, I think the better question is how did she not shoot his face off considering how short he is.
And honestly, while this is more of a retroactive thing, not every character needs to be killed by walkers or die in an action scene just because. Omid is an example of where that is applicable.
Like I've seen plenty of games or even in movies where someone accidentally or purposely shot a firearm and miss multiple people. My questio… moren is, how in the hell do you turn around and perfectly shoot someone and kill them without even aiming or focusing on getting a clean shot?! Not twice, but one good clean shot?? How?!? Teach me.
I just think it was a dick move. At least let them die fighting off walkers or something. Not just some random coming along with sharpshooter reflexes.
Well, he was, like, two steps away from being on her ass before the door startled both of them, so it's not that much of a stretch. Honestly… more, I think the better question is how did she not shoot his face off considering how short he is.
And honestly, while this is more of a retroactive thing, not every character needs to be killed by walkers or die in an action scene just because. Omid is an example of where that is applicable.
That is truth! But the squeaky door is still plausible. Telltale can be clever sometimes. If the door didn't squeak and she just happened to turn around, I'd be more pissed.
That is truth! But the squeaky door is still plausible. Telltale can be clever sometimes. If the door didn't squeak and she just happened to turn around, I'd be more pissed.
I can't tell if that was just Telltale being lazy or if David truly is that awful/cold-hearted.
Probably laziness. While David would… more've known about Lingard's condition more than almost anyone else, he still should've had some sort of reaction to hearing he's dead.
I can't tell who I hate more at this point--David or Jane. And that's really saying something.
That was something I vaguely considered once or twice myself, but Jane still won out. Easily.
I was indeed stating that I felt that David, and only David, was overrated to me.
I mentioned Conrad when it came to who was the worst offender for me when it came to who I felt were either generic, unlikable, or inconsistent and nonsensical...was due to how Conrad was handled as a determinant character, which is when it comes to Conrad's genuine threat to kill Javier's nephew unless he agrees to his plan to sell out a little girl to Richmond as a bargaining chip.
If Conrad is spared, this scene is barely mentioned again and Conrad suddenly becomes buddy-buddy to the man who he would have gladly killed if he didn't agree to his terms in time. This sudden attitude shift felt very drastic, and it reminds me a little bit of Rebecca's sudden attitude shift towards Clementine back in Season 2 where in one instance she was advocating a little girl's death/abandonment over her paranoia with her involvement with Carver, and come the next morning she suddenly likes her now.
Gabe is also a poorly written character, though not to the extent of David and Conrad, and it's mainly to do with how he can ungratefully sell his own wounded uncle (which Gabe inadvertently caused with his recklessness to boot) out to his companions over his killing of Conrad, while ignoring that he did so to save Gabe's life from Conrad who was pointing a gun at his head. I don't think I need to make an essay on why this scene was beyond stupid, even for someone like Gabe.
Can I just say that I don't get how can Conrad be overrated?
To be fair, I think he was mainly applying that to David.
I agree… more that David is overrated. He was basically the Kenny of the season and got the most attention.
That sums up almost 85% of his character.
Can I just say that I don't get how can Conrad be overrated?
To be fair, I think he was mainly applying that to David.
I agree… more that David is overrated. He was basically the Kenny of the season and got the most attention.
That sums up almost 85% of his character.
I don't think his threat towards Javier was exactly genuine, because he is not that type of person, what he did in the tunnel was definitely the lowest moment of his life. Let's not forget that Gabe pointed a gun at him during his mourning. Conrad's desire to get revenge overrode who he truly was.
He did apologize for what he did and was ashamed of himself at that moment. He even tells you to take his own gun which if you do, results in his death. It was not a sudden buddy-buddy in my opinion.
I wouldn't exactly say Gabe is poorly written but I hated that scene eventhough it didn't happen in my playthrough because it didn't make any sense. It should have happened depending on how you treat him.
I was indeed stating that I felt that David, and only David, was overrated to me.
I mentioned Conrad when it came to who was the worst of… morefender for me when it came to who I felt were either generic, unlikable, or inconsistent and nonsensical...was due to how Conrad was handled as a determinant character, which is when it comes to Conrad's genuine threat to kill Javier's nephew unless he agrees to his plan to sell out a little girl to Richmond as a bargaining chip.
If Conrad is spared, this scene is barely mentioned again and Conrad suddenly becomes buddy-buddy to the man who he would have gladly killed if he didn't agree to his terms in time. This sudden attitude shift felt very drastic, and it reminds me a little bit of Rebecca's sudden attitude shift towards Clementine back in Season 2 where in one instance she was advocating a little girl's death/abandonment over her paranoia with her involvement with Carver, and come the next mornin… [view original content]
Oh, I misunderstood you, then. I am sorry!
I don't think his threat towards Javier was exactly genuine, because he is not that type of p… moreerson, what he did in the tunnel was definitely the lowest moment of his life. Let's not forget that Gabe pointed a gun at him during his mourning. Conrad's desire to get revenge overrode who he truly was.
He did apologize for what he did and was ashamed of himself at that moment. He even tells you to take his own gun which if you do, results in his death. It was not a sudden buddy-buddy in my opinion.
I wouldn't exactly say Gabe is poorly written but I hated that scene eventhough it didn't happen in my playthrough because it didn't make any sense. It should have happened depending on how you treat him.
Well I don't get where the lying comes from then...I never really cared for David as more than a Necessary Weasel that was hopefully not one-note and that eventually went into disdain in the finale.
Plus, there are very few characters I feel confident in saying I outright hate them. I'm a comparatively patient, empathetic, and open-minded person, after all, though I do have my standards.
Well I don't get where the lying comes from then...I never really cared for David as more than a Necessary Weasel that was hopefully not one… more-note and that eventually went into disdain in the finale.
Plus, there are very few characters I feel confident in saying I outright hate them. I'm a comparatively patient, empathetic, and open-minded person, after all, though I do have my standards.
Lol, I just noticed that I mixed up relatable and reliable. Although I still think Ben is none of these. He's not reliable enough to be relatable to me. (See what I did there? )
Lol, I just noticed that I mixed up relatable and reliable. Although I still think Ben is none of these. He's not reliable enough to be relatable to me. (See what I did there? )
I thought Tripp and Ava were good characters. I liked Eleanor until she sold us out to Joan. I really liked Javi and David.
As much as I love Clementine and wanted her to be the main PC, I enjoyed playing Javi's story. I liked that his character was somebody well known, even though that doesn't really matter in the apocalypse.
I liked that his character was somebody well known, even though that doesn't really matter in the apocalypse.
Yeah, that was an interesting little tidbit. They kinda missed an opportunity to have someone in Richmond recognize him, maybe even have a New Frontier member fanboy a bit.
I thought Tripp and Ava were good characters. I liked Eleanor until she sold us out to Joan. I really liked Javi and David.
As much as I … morelove Clementine and wanted her to be the main PC, I enjoyed playing Javi's story. I liked that his character was somebody well known, even though that doesn't really matter in the apocalypse.
I didn't say I dislike him. I just lost my interest on him because of his predictable death, at least he had good lines but still. He and Ava showed no purpose in that episode.
Yeah, Conrad recognizes Javi, but I don't watch baseball, but I've heard about most of the steroid scandels with top players, so it seems like more people should've recognized him.
I liked that his character was somebody well known, even though that doesn't really matter in the apocalypse.
Yeah, that was an inte… moreresting little tidbit. They kinda missed an opportunity to have someone in Richmond recognize him, maybe even have a New Frontier member fanboy a bit.
Yeah, Conrad recognizes Javi, but I don't watch baseball, but I've heard about most of the steroid scandels with top players, so it seems like more people should've recognized him.
I always had the feeling at least he was supposed have a posthumous effect if you tried to save him in the previous episode, but one last round of rewrites completely did away with that.
Ava was sorta set to serve a purpose either way, but they literally dropped her off a bridge as soon as they could and failed to have it and her contribution to the story line up with what happens in the climax.
I didn't say I dislike him. I just lost my interest on him because of his predictable death, at least he had good lines but still. He and Ava showed no purpose in that episode.
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Right?! I actually just realized that just a few days ago! I'm glad someone else realized it. Like, David at least reacted when Ava was brought out on the stage and when she died (somewhat), but with his supposed other good friend and fellow council member Dr. Lingard? Nothing. Literally nothing. Not even a quick shot of his face looking pissed, sad, or horrified? Even when Javier admits to it there's still no "WTF, Javi?!" by him off-screen. Some "friend" he was to Lingard. I can't tell if that was just Telltale being lazy or if David truly is that awful/cold-hearted. I'm gonna go ahead and assume the latter, honestly.
I can't tell who I hate more at this point--David or Jane. And that's really saying something.
Probably laziness. While David would've known about Lingard's condition more than almost anyone else, he still should've had some sort of reaction to hearing he's dead.
That was something I vaguely considered once or twice myself, but Jane still won out. Easily.
Well, it was sorta the point there. And it was still more realistic/plausible than most of the later ones.
That's almost how it was for me when those screenshots first came out, lol.
Yeah, seriously. The one remaining character who made Clementine's presence in the story feel legitimately worth something and she's cast aside as soon as inhumanely possible.
Agreed. Which is kinda weird to say considering what characterization vs focus ratio he has.
Really now? I mean, I suppose they do have they're similarities with him, mind you, but still.
To be fair, I think he was mainly applying that to David.
That sums up almost 85% of his character.
Like I've seen plenty of games or even in movies where someone accidentally or purposely shot a firearm and miss multiple people. My question is, how in the hell do you turn around and perfectly shoot someone and kill them without even aiming or focusing on getting a clean shot?! Not twice, but one good clean shot?? How?!? Teach me.
I just think it was a dick move. At least let them die fighting off walkers or something. Not just some random coming along with sharpshooter reflexes.
Well, he was, like, two steps away from being on her ass before the door startled both of them, so it's not that much of a stretch. Honestly, I think the better question is how did she not shoot his face off considering how short he is.
And honestly, while this is more of a retroactive thing, not every character needs to be killed by walkers or die in an action scene just because. Omid is an example of where that is applicable.
That old "startled by the door" trickery eh? Well played RG, well played.
Okay, maybe that part was a bit ridiculous, but Omid was never a particularly bright, deep character to begin with.
That is truth! But the squeaky door is still plausible. Telltale can be clever sometimes. If the door didn't squeak and she just happened to turn around, I'd be more pissed.
Yeah, pretty much.
Friggin dread antennas!
LOL
Says the guy with a Ben profile picture, the less relatable character in all TWD games!
Ben is one of the most relatable characters in the game series.
And you said that I was being generous by saying that you dislike him. Why did you lie to me?
I was indeed stating that I felt that David, and only David, was overrated to me.
I mentioned Conrad when it came to who was the worst offender for me when it came to who I felt were either generic, unlikable, or inconsistent and nonsensical...was due to how Conrad was handled as a determinant character, which is when it comes to Conrad's genuine threat to kill Javier's nephew unless he agrees to his plan to sell out a little girl to Richmond as a bargaining chip.
If Conrad is spared, this scene is barely mentioned again and Conrad suddenly becomes buddy-buddy to the man who he would have gladly killed if he didn't agree to his terms in time. This sudden attitude shift felt very drastic, and it reminds me a little bit of Rebecca's sudden attitude shift towards Clementine back in Season 2 where in one instance she was advocating a little girl's death/abandonment over her paranoia with her involvement with Carver, and come the next morning she suddenly likes her now.
Gabe is also a poorly written character, though not to the extent of David and Conrad, and it's mainly to do with how he can ungratefully sell his own wounded uncle (which Gabe inadvertently caused with his recklessness to boot) out to his companions over his killing of Conrad, while ignoring that he did so to save Gabe's life from Conrad who was pointing a gun at his head. I don't think I need to make an essay on why this scene was beyond stupid, even for someone like Gabe.
What is the other 15%?
Oh, I misunderstood you, then. I am sorry!
I don't think his threat towards Javier was exactly genuine, because he is not that type of person, what he did in the tunnel was definitely the lowest moment of his life. Let's not forget that Gabe pointed a gun at him during his mourning. Conrad's desire to get revenge overrode who he truly was.
He did apologize for what he did and was ashamed of himself at that moment. He even tells you to take his own gun which if you do, results in his death. It was not a sudden buddy-buddy in my opinion.
I wouldn't exactly say Gabe is poorly written but I hated that scene eventhough it didn't happen in my playthrough because it didn't make any sense. It should have happened depending on how you treat him.
Don't worry about it, Fangirl101.
When was this? Cause it sounds more like you said I didn't particularly care for him or something.
You said that you didn't care about him. I just said that I understood why. It was in your Character Design thread.
eh.. Conrad was cool before he threatened clem and gabe. if he hadnt done that, he probably would've been my favourite character.
Well I don't get where the lying comes from then...I never really cared for David as more than a Necessary Weasel that was hopefully not one-note and that eventually went into disdain in the finale.
Plus, there are very few characters I feel confident in saying I outright hate them. I'm a comparatively patient, empathetic, and open-minded person, after all, though I do have my standards.
Ah, okay then! I understand.
You told me that you just didn't care about him even after the finale and that's why I got confused.
Lol, I just noticed that I mixed up relatable and reliable. Although I still think Ben is none of these. He's not reliable enough to be relatable to me. (See what I did there?
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Relatable and reliable are two different things.
I thought Tripp and Ava were good characters. I liked Eleanor until she sold us out to Joan. I really liked Javi and David.
As much as I love Clementine and wanted her to be the main PC, I enjoyed playing Javi's story. I liked that his character was somebody well known, even though that doesn't really matter in the apocalypse.
Yeah, that was an interesting little tidbit. They kinda missed an opportunity to have someone in Richmond recognize him, maybe even have a New Frontier member fanboy a bit.
Javier ONLY. I used to like Tripp and David until Episode 5.
It's hard not to hate David after that episode. What made you dislike Tripp?
I didn't say I dislike him. I just lost my interest on him because of his predictable death, at least he had good lines but still. He and Ava showed no purpose in that episode.
Yeah, Conrad recognizes Javi, but I don't watch baseball, but I've heard about most of the steroid scandels with top players, so it seems like more people should've recognized him.
...Steriods? Really?
Yeah, it kinda is.
You must've been really liked and/or been really patient with the former then.
I always had the feeling at least he was supposed have a posthumous effect if you tried to save him in the previous episode, but one last round of rewrites completely did away with that.
Ava was sorta set to serve a purpose either way, but they literally dropped her off a bridge as soon as they could and failed to have it and her contribution to the story line up with what happens in the climax.
That's why I hate Episode 5. It ruined EVERYTHING!!! Easily the worst Telltale season finale.
Steroids or whatever illicit drugs that are banned from professional sports.
I know what it is, jackanape. The point is that you're implying Javier got kicked out for steriods of all things, which wasn't the case.