Treatment of the Garcias in TFS
How do you think telltale will or should deal with the Garcias. We know for a fact that they will not be returning this season, and it would be difficult as the group is very different depending on our alternate endings. But, it would be a narratively illogical and, frankly, a disservice to not have mention of them during the season.
For some of us, our Javier even asks Clem to bring AJ back to Richmond. Telltale will have to explain off why she doesn't, if she ever did, if circumstances prevent her, or if something tragic has happened to Richmond and our characters.
We do know from the creators that things are worse in this world from when they were left off, so I fear the fates of the Garcia's and Richmond aren't too bright. Maybe we'll get a line or two explaining it, maybe we'll be surprised with a glimpse of them in the last episode. What do all of you think?
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I swear if they just kill them off like they did with Kenny and Jane I'm done tbh. I think they at least deserve to be side characters, They don't have to be the main Plot but it would be nice to see them in the same group with Clem again.
They won't be appearing, but I do think they could possibly be mentioned. Maybe in a short flashback, Clementine returns to Richmond only to find the gates wide open, and a baseball jersey swinging from a pole. Upon entering, she finds it empty, save for one person: Conrad. He's sitting on the ground in the town square, rocking back and forth, repeating one of two lines depending on whether he survived ANF: "All these squares make a circle" or "I shouldn't be here". He's unresponsive when spoken to. As we slowly back away from him, a beanie is thrown by an unseen person. We leave Richmond.
I would be ok with this.
Just gonna wait here to see if anyone who complains about lazy writing asks for them to just be killed off in order to move as far way from ANF as possible. It happens, trust me, I’ve seen it.
I definitely think we're due for an explanation as to why Clem and AJ didn't go back to Richmond, especially considering my Javi said to bring him back. (Or maybe she already did during the timeskip no way to know yet.) Maybe a herd was blocking the way back? Bad weather conditions deeming it unsafe to travel back? Still a pretty poor excuse since its been years at this point. I can't necessarily blame them for trying to distance themselves from ANF though and am totally ok if we never see the Garcia's again. (Personally I'm much more excited in getting to know the boarding school characters) So we'll just have to wait and see.
They probably just arnt going to appear, Im assuming they dont die (unless they pull some weird shit and just show Richmond blow up lmao) and if they honestly killed them just for why Clem didnt come back to Richmond that would already be a bad sign. However I think they'll (probably?) give some type of explanation on why she didnt come back, I highly doubt theyll go back to kill them or anything. I know they want to distance themselves from ANF, but this is already kinda an issue with S4. Its going to just ignore ANF so it'll feel even weirder that so much of it is going to be ignored. I just have a feeling season 4 ep 1 is going to feel the most clunky due to it basically rebooting again.
My guesses are:
Something tells me it's none of those tho
Just leave em out of it.
We know for a fact that there will be about two other returning characters who will require some space and wiggle room to have their presence be noticeable and meaningful. Not to mention that the alternate endings significantly hampers what can be done with them anyway by Telltale's own established conditions/history.
Now, if the game can indeed end with Clementine and/or AJ returning to Richmond to stay with them, then let that be a possibility. Otherwise, it's probably best they just leave them presently out--especially if it's just to check off any other box/condition on the list/quota.
With 4 episodes and an entirely new cast with Clementine/AJ as the focus, I don't see much room for the Garcia's especially considering 99% of them are determinant.
Don't give a fuck about em anyway.
Mariana should've survived that bullet to the head the same way Reverse Flash did, buying herself some time, dying in super slow-motion
As for everyone else, they should all get slowly eaten by walkers as help just watches
"hell yeah one sec lemme just active the speed force real quick uncle javi lmao"
I see this as a straight-up betrayal for all the loyal fans of the series who suffered through the train wreck that was ANF. Like it or not, the Garcia’s have become an important part of Clementines’ story. If Telltale wants to bring that story to a proper and final conclusion, then they can’t just erase them!
I want to know that my choices in ANF mattered. That who I saved has the potential to play a part in Clementine’s future. Even a small cameo role showing them with Clem/AJ at the end would have satisfied me...is that too much to ask?
Thanks, Telltale, for wasting my time with season 3 and confirming that it was all pointless...
She could become....the NEW Reverse Flash?⚡?♀️
I think that some of the people here are missing one point. Yes, they've stated during E3 that Garcias won't appear in The Final Season but that doesn't mean that they forgot about them. Bear with me for a second here - what if Garcias (and Richmond in the process) will be part of one of the endings for this game?
I'm a strong believer in my theory that this game will feature multiple endings, like Season 2 did, so why not put Garcia's in one of the endings? For example, depending on your choices during this season and the ending itself, Clementine and AJ may end up in Richmond? Or maybe there will be a choice of whether to honor Javier's request and come back with AJ to Richmond or go their own way?
Just something to think about.
....You just repeated the fact that Telltale confirmed no appearance for the Garcia’s in the final season...so how can they appear in an ending? That makes no sense...
They said that Garcia's won't appear in this season but that doesn't mean they won't be mentioned. Or Richmond for that matter. There might be (for example) like I said in a previous post, a choice whether to go back there or go find someplace else or whatever and that's that. Garcia's wouldn't be shown that way and Clem and AJ might be shown just walking in a certain direction heading towards Richmond, if they decided to go there.
Like I said, it's just my theory regarding this topic. We won't know for sure what's in store for us until this game is released.
They shouldn’t they should just leave the story of them unresolved because it was a mistake.
Simply mentioning the Garcia's as an afterthought is not good enough for me...we had an entire season focused on them! What was the reason for it? Why relegate Clem to a supporting role? I have to think they did it for a purpose: to show her that family is important, that it can survive in that world, and that there are still people she can depend on (something she lost by the end of Season 2/beginning of Season 3).
Most people (myself included) seem to agree that ANF was not a worthy successor, but that doesn't mean it should be so easily discarded. Telltale could have made up for their past mistakes by properly tying the Garcias into the final season...give them a purpose so that it wasn't all for nothing!
It might not be good enough for you but does it really matter? Its virtually not possible to please everyone. Even if you were satisfied with something they did, there probably would've been some group of fans not happy about it. At the end of the day its Telltale's game, it's their story to tell.
You're right....why listen to the fans? Our opinions don't matter, its not like we buy their games and keep them in business...
Sorry but your comment is ridiculous. Sure we may disagree, but that is why we are here on these forums: to discuss our differing opinions. They do matter and Telltale should listen. In case you haven't noticed, their track record lately has not been strong.
You're right. Telltale SHOULD listen but they don't listen to everyone. I'm sorry but your comment is ridiculous if you think that Telltale should listen to their fans. You sound like they should always listen. That's ridiculous. No offense but more often fans have the most stupidest ideas on this forums or simply concepts that won't work or maybe just don't make sense in the minds of other people. You're right, people should put their thoughts up for discussion and talk about it but it doesn't mean that they should appease every fans requests if they don't feel like its the right move.
Honestly, if they had put Mariana in ANF where she'd later become a young, female version of Reverse Flash, I wouldn't have complained. Actually, no one would've complained with ANF if Reverse Mariana was in the game
LOL how did Reverse Flash come into this discussion...
Serious Mode: So you REALLY think us as consumers should have 0 influence over what we buy? I'm sorry but that's bullshit.
Reverse Mariana?
What would be her powers then?
The point is - either you like the product and you buy it or you don't because it's not what you want.
Also nitpicking parts of my posts out of context really doesn't encourage me to continue this debate. I already said why I think that and I'm not going to repeat myself.
Of course its not feasible for them to satisfy everyone, thats incredibly obvious, and I never said otherwise, so I'm not sure why you even needed to make that point in the first place.
Your comment that my opinion "doesn't matter" seems to suggest that you don't understand the point of debating on a community forum. That's ultimately what I'm reacting to....
Okay, one more time - because its true. Your opinion is just one of thousands in here and you are free to express it but I don't believe its matters since its very unlikely they'll even notice it when you see how quickly the number of pages in some topics raises into couple of dozens.
That's why I always considered this forums as a place to talk with other fans about Telltale's games, maybe share some theories or talk about the worst moments in some episodes but I've never expected that Telltale itself is going to read that.
Don't get me wrong - Im not saying that they're not visiting this forums and don't read our post but consider it statistically. There is SO many posts here that they're probably reading like 5-10 % of them so there is a very big possibility that they won't even notice our little discussion over here.
...Please don't do that.
Hurrhrrnhrhrhn...
That I'd sorta like too.
woosh
It's not like they haven't said shit that ended up not being true before.
No matter how plausible/important or stupid/unwise.
Again, you are stating the obvious. Something that didn't need to be said in the first place. You think I don't know that there are thousands of fans, and my opinion is just one of many? C'mon dude, get real.
My original post was just giving my opinion on the topic, something that we do here. And you decide to respond by telling me that my opinion doesn't matter, and that Telltale doesn't have to listen to the fans? Nothing out of context- that's straight bullshit, and totally misses the point of a discussion board.
Oh, you mean like...
I get what you're saying, but still I think they should give us a little control. For instance, Telltale knows half of us want Clem to die and the other half doesn't. To make things fair and put some control into our hands, they should give us the chance to vote online to decide her fate. Like a poll or something. That would be fair, as they would've listened, and responded in a way that no one could argue against.
Because she was originally equal co-stars with Javi until massive rewrites, which meant the story would be fine/better without her, but they were obligated to still include her because having an E3 teaser is more important than having the premise solidly set in stone.
That was indeed the intent, as far as one can see. Whether it got across successfully, well....
As you said, this are forums to share our opinions. I just stated mine. You don't like it? Well that's your problem not mine.
Exactly, and just to bring this conversation full circle: YOUR opinion doesn't matter!
You mean she wasn't?
At least we finally agree with something, my friend.
Making chocolate and a difference.