TMI vs MI5
Okay, so we've all been posting in the same threads for a couple of days so I figured it was time for a new one.
Let's talk terminology.
SMI
MI2LR
CMI
EMI
*gap*
TMI
Can we all agree on that consecutive order of events and installments?
Okay good.
Now, can we also all agree that Monkey Island games are generally adventure games with canon characters and CMI on certain voice actors divided into parts or chapters?
Okay, good.
Let's continue. TTG said that TMI takes place after a EMI as if there was a game's worth of storyline in between. Okay, we get that. We understand that. There is a gap in time. But there wasn't actually a game.
So why is TMI not considered MI5 by a majority of the people on this forum?
It is the fifth Monkey Island installment to be released, no?
Consider this; between Star Wars Episode Three and Star Wars Episode Four there is a time gap. They could probably fill MORE than a movie's worth with the time gap implied. But there isn't a movie, so they go from 3... to 4. According to the logic of the people who say MI5 doesn't exist though, we should probably be calling A New Hope something more like Episode 5 or 6 or 5 and 3/4 or something.
Let's say another MI game comes out after TMI (because TMI when complete will be a regular ol' Monkey Island game, regardless of distribution method), it's highly probably it will take place AFTER TMI. I doubt they will be going back to the time gap anytime soon. I think we can safely call TMI Monkey Island 5 now guys. It's time.
Let's talk terminology.
SMI
MI2LR
CMI
EMI
*gap*
TMI
Can we all agree on that consecutive order of events and installments?
Okay good.
Now, can we also all agree that Monkey Island games are generally adventure games with canon characters and CMI on certain voice actors divided into parts or chapters?
Okay, good.
Let's continue. TTG said that TMI takes place after a EMI as if there was a game's worth of storyline in between. Okay, we get that. We understand that. There is a gap in time. But there wasn't actually a game.
So why is TMI not considered MI5 by a majority of the people on this forum?
It is the fifth Monkey Island installment to be released, no?
Consider this; between Star Wars Episode Three and Star Wars Episode Four there is a time gap. They could probably fill MORE than a movie's worth with the time gap implied. But there isn't a movie, so they go from 3... to 4. According to the logic of the people who say MI5 doesn't exist though, we should probably be calling A New Hope something more like Episode 5 or 6 or 5 and 3/4 or something.
Let's say another MI game comes out after TMI (because TMI when complete will be a regular ol' Monkey Island game, regardless of distribution method), it's highly probably it will take place AFTER TMI. I doubt they will be going back to the time gap anytime soon. I think we can safely call TMI Monkey Island 5 now guys. It's time.
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But here we are, having a vigorous debate about whether or not Tales can legitimately be considered Monkey Island 5... :rolleyes:
Monkey Islands games haven't be technically labled since the second game, which was two offical Ron Gilbert releases...
Technically the later games take place after the other but their not called 3,4 or 5.
As someone else mentioned in the previous thread, would you consider Temple of Doom to be Indiana Jones 1 then? And Raiders the second movie, just because that's how they fit chronologically? What about Narnia? Those books were released completely out of order in terms of the timeline, but make no sense if you read them chronologically. Despite there being stories that actually take place before Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, that one is always considered to be first.
The developers have even come in to stress that the MI5 thing was little more than a joke that some have taken too far. Tales of Monkey Island is Monkey Island 5, period.
To be fair, several years back they started re-publishing the Narnia books numbered in chronological order...but it's a really stupid order to read them in.
So for me, ToMI is definately MI 6, with MI 5 being a lost chapter in the series. Why do I take this gag so seriously? Because it is very well possible that one day Telltale or someone else might want to fill the gap between EMI and ToMI.
Nah, that's flawed logic. All the Indiana Jones movies and the James Bond movies starts at the end of an adventure we'll never see - just like TMI. That does not mean that they are official "chapters" of the franchise.
Difference is, Larry games were always numbered (at least between 3 and 7), while Monkey Island games have not been since MI2. Would you call Goldeye "James Bond 17"?
I am aware that use numbers as the working title for the next movie before the actual name is announced. However, Casino Royale - which is a reboot of the series, and thus does not fit within the timeline of the previous 20 movies - was also given working title Bond 21. The numbers have no correlation to their narrative chronological placement, just the order in which they were released.
Also, to follow the logic of counting opening adventures like the one in TMI as a separate adventure (making TMI MI6), Goldeneye should be considered "James Bond 34"?
You state these as if they are "BAD" things. I for one believe that they will all these disasters will create a better humanity IF indeed we survive it. I say bring on the the destruction, we are due for a MAJOR decrease in population.
Thats the second biggest "5" I've ever seen.
No, just like the the Monkey Island games following MI2, the batman movies are not numbered, so calling Dark Knight "Batman 6" makes little sense.
It is the seventh Batman live action move, by the way. I'm guessing you forgot to count the hillarious movie from 1966.
"Quickly, Robin, to the batcave. We haven't ONE. MOMENT. TO LOSE!"
They aren't numbered, MI5 is a way of saying its the fifth one to come out. If there is a game that comes out that fills in EMI and TMI time gap, I'll consider it MI6, albeit in a different timeline, because it would be the 6th to come out.
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Now, go out and get some lives.
Lol, you got to love the totally off the wall Robin sayings. I wonder if they sounded this retarded when they first aired or if it was just me?
A TV spin-off to a movie franchise.
Thats not to say its not amazing by the way, just made in a shorter time, at lower cost and released episodically.
Nor Telltale or LucasArts want TMI to be MI5, as far as I recall.
Reason: LucasArts has promised a fifth game in the saga, and TMI is not done by LucasArts. It's like if someone else did Star Wars: Episode 7. They wouldn't be allowed to call it Episode x, because LucasFilm wants to have the possibility to make one, one day.
There will never be a game covering the time gap between Escape and Tales, or "real" MI5, because that game would have to end where Tales begins, and that would be stupid. The gap was just a way of re-introducing LeChuck to the story without a long setup, so they could do the human LeChuck plot. MI3 starts in a similar way.
TMI is technically MI5, but I refer to it as TMI, just like I refer to the others as SMI, CMI and EMI. The only exception is MI2, which I call that since it doesn't have a "Thing of Monkey Island" title, but is actually called MI2.
Ooooh yeah, AIDS is such a lovely thing isn't it, all that pain and orphaned kids, just wonderful isn't it? :eek:
Anyway, back on topic...
Maybe The Secret of... would be a more appropriate name for the series, if a less memorable one. It would also mean that CMI and EMI could eliminate their annoying Monkey Island segments and be better games for it.
The five games would be as follows:
The Secret of Monkey Island
The Secret of Dinky Island
The Secret of Blood Island
The Secret of Jambalaya Island
The Secret of Donkey Island
And the Dark Knight is not Batman 7 because its prequel was a reboot. So the 1989 Tim Burton movie was a first reboot, setting the counter back to 1, and the Batman Begins movie was another reboot, once more setting back the counter to 1.
And adter seeing the absolutely terrible MI Special Edition I hope that Lucas will never do another MI and let Telltales handle the franchise.
AIDS is a terrible thing, but it's not hard to avoid getting it in most cases since it is an STD. But I digress.
Anyway, most people say ToMI is not MI5 because Dave Grossman in an interview joked around and said "we're not doing Monkey Island 5 because we think that needs to be a big budget, 40 hour epic adventure." He later stated in the Private Pirates Forum that he said this as a joke. However, many people take what game developers say as absolute truth. So people believe that one day MI5 will be made and to be honest, none of us know. It could happen, but probably won't. ToMI is not MI5, it is the fifth Monkey Island game, just as CoMI is not MI3, it's the third Monkey Island game.
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Yeah, that was quite a bit off topic. Sorry, I had to be myself and comment. I guess we can agree to disagree on this stuff. Since if AIDS isn't creating Orphans, People who are sick and can't barely feed themselves are. I don't know about you, but I don't make kids if I can't support them. Anyway Like we said off topic, maybe we can take our debate elsewhere? this could be a fun argument.:D
Yeah, I agree Bagge said it best this MI starts off after a adventure that we will never see just like the James Bond movies.
It's probably my favorite of all time.
Couldn't agree more, me laddo.
They started seeing eachother in the third game.
the nature of the game is different and based on a loose adventure without an actual continuation (something the previous games all did).
All other games were called by a sub number, tales isn't.
and this leaves one big question... LA has been reviving the series themselves... they are/were probably thinking of making a 5th MI game when they gave/sold/lended the rights to telltale and actually told telltale not to name it MI5
so why don't we call it MI5 then... IT's NOT CALLED THAT WAY!!!.
people don't name you by a name that not's yours, now do they?