Why don't we call it Monkey Island 5??? because it isn't called that... and is not meant to be a 5th installment....
the nature of the game is different and based on a loose adventure without an actual continuation (something the previous games all did).
All other games were called by a sub number, tales isn't.
and this leaves one big question... LA has been reviving the series themselves... they are/were probably thinking of making a 5th MI game when they gave/sold/lended the rights to telltale and actually told telltale not to name it MI5
so why don't we call it MI5 then... IT's NOT CALLED THAT WAY!!!.
people don't name you by a name that not's yours, now do they?
No, no. CMI is not officially called Monkey Island 3, and EMI is not officially called MI4. If you want to use numbers to refer to the Monkey Island games you have to be consistent - either you count them in the order they are released - in which case TMI is MI5 - or you don't use numbers for the games following MI2 at all.
the nature of the game is different and based on a loose adventure without an actual continuation (something the previous games all did).
how is this true at all? from the very first introduction Guybrush is infected with the pox and has to get rid of it. That isn't a loose connection, that's the plot my friend. That's not even mentioning the fact that if you play screaming narwahl and spinner cay right in a row it seems EXACTLY like one game. Also the opening song and chapter screens.
How is turning a cursed wife uncursed any more concrete than this?
I actually think the TMI plot is a lot more solid for one game than all of EMI.
Just for the people that are still calling TMI: Monkey Island 6 (even after TT said it was a joke), did you realize there are time gaps between every other Monkey Island game???
Which doesn´t matter ONE bit. For a game based so much on comedy it is only right to play along the joke and regard it as MI 6 nonetheless.
It does not matter anyway. Many of you are all taking the matter too seriously. It´s a series of games that makes fun of itself, so just call it what you want .
Nobody is saying there will be a 5th Monkey Island game so they won't call ToMI MI5. What people have been saying is that ToMI is a spin off created by another developer and therefore seperate from the main series.
Nobody is saying there will be a 5th Monkey Island game so they won't call ToMI MI5. What people have been saying is that ToMI is a spin off created by another developer and therefore seperate from the main series.
Who really cares though?
What makes TMI, a game made by Lucasarts veterans who actually worked on the origial games, inluding original writer Dave Grossman and with input from Ron Gilbert, any more of a "spin-off" than CMI or EMI?
Remember, all the old adventure game developers have left Lucasarts long ago, and many of them are now working at telltale.
I'm kind of confused as to why its considered a spin off.
Its the same people.
Lucas Arts is making profit from it, and made an investment (intellectual property risk) in it.
Sure another company is handling it, but its the SAME PEOPLE. Different accounting departments, who cares.
Also, do you see the big ol' lucas arts logo in the beginning and on the game?
Yes.
It is not a spin off. A spin off would be something more like "Monkey Island: Tales of Elaine Marley" or "Monkey Island: The Cannibals go Low Carb". Spin offs generally take an ASPECT of an intellectual property brand and take it in a different direction. TMI is going in exactly the same vein as all the other games.
A spinoff requires there be another side-character in the original series taking the lead position and going on his/her own adventures. But this is all the same characters so that throws that out the window. I consider it more the epic masterpiece of the entire series because of its length and story scope.
A spinoff requires there be another side-character in the original series taking the lead position and going on his/her own adventures.
Either that, or making a game which uses the "universe" of an established franchise, but with completely different gameplay, like say Link's Crossbow training (Legend of Zelda) or Super Puzzle Fighter (Street Fighter).
Mentioning Star Wars was a mistake. You said we don't assume there's another chapter inbetween III and IV and call A New Hope Episode V... fair enough. But we DO accept that the series has been reordered to fit with the chronology of events despite the order the films were released...exactly what many people here would do with MI if a game documenting the events between Escape and Tales was made. I however am firmly in your camp...Tales is MI5 - unless we're told otherwise by a certain Grumpy Gamer!
Mentioning Star Wars was a mistake. You said we don't assume there's another chapter inbetween III and IV and call A New Hope Episode V... fair enough. But we DO accept that the series has been reordered to fit with the chronology of events despite the order the films were released...exactly what many people here would do with MI if a game documenting the events between Escape and Tales was made. I however am firmly in your camp...Tales is MI5 - unless we're told otherwise by a certain Grumpy Gamer!
What happens if they do a game documenting the events between Secret of Monkey Island and Monkey Island 2?
Whenever they do something like that they could call it something like "Monkey Island: The Lost Years" and not assign a number at all while we could call it whatever number installment it was, 6 or 7 or whatever.
Wait...wouldn't cannibals ALREADY be on low-carb diets? Unless they've been deep-frying and battering people, or eating them with fries or in sandwiches or something, the diet of a cannibal should be low-carb by default.
A spinoff requires there be another side-character in the original series taking the lead position and going on his/her own adventures. But this is all the same characters so that throws that out the window. I consider it more the epic masterpiece of the entire series because of its length and story scope.
Wrong.
Link's Crossbow Training is a spin-off of the Zelda series. Link is still the main character.
I still haven't worked out why these numbers are important.
The main idea is that if you aren't assigning a number, you are dismissing the credibility or "real-ness" of the game. Because it's not made by LucasArts(which is just a meaningless shell of a name that happens to still own the rights at this point), or because it's released episodically, or because it doesn't have Earl Boen, it "doesn't count".
I just started this thread because I wanted people to stop referring to whatever game comes next as MI5 because MI5 alrady exists. I don't care WHAT they call the next game or care about what the numbers mean, I just want people to call the next game MI6.
I do tend to call Tales "MI5" at times, though I usually refer to it as "Tales of MI", "ToMI" or "TMI". Just like I tend to call Curse "MI3" at times, though I usually refer to it as "CMI". I kinda use several abbreviations for the games, depending on my mood or whatever. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter, if you call them...
The fact that there seems to be a huge gap between EMI and Tales doesn't stop me from referring to Tales as "MI5", because that gap is not any bigger than other gaps between games. Sure, we never know how big (as in how many months or years) these gaps are supposed to be - except for the gap between CMI and EMI, which is supposed to be exactly 3 months. But we do know how many things must have happened in between. And in a way, the gap between EMI and Tales doesn't seem that big to me, compared to other gaps between games, specifically, the gap between SMI and MI2.
But in the end, we will never know for sure, unless TTG or LucasArts decide to really make a game that takes place between EMI and Tales. There might be just a few "chapters" or "parts" missing in between, there might be enough room to fit a whole game as well. But the same applies to the gaps between the other games. I mean, who knows how many adventures Guybrush really went through after SMI in order to get all this loot and money he has in the beginning of MI2? Or just what happened to him on the Carnival of the Damned before the events of CMI started? Or what happened on those 3 months of honeymoon before EMI took place (probably nothing suitable for a video game, but still...)? I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
Metal Gear Solid 3 played before Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2, it's still called 3 because it's the third game in the series.
The third game in the "Solid" series. Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake for the MSX are also part of the canon yet people rarely mention them. Portable Ops for the PSP is before Metal Gear and also canon yet no one mentions it.
Some people feel that since LucasArts isn't directly involved with TMI that it isn't official canon...it's not the 5th game in the "LucasArts" series. It would appear that Tales is spacing their story 7 years in the future to hopefully avoid any story problems that could be caused by LucasArts if they choose to make the next game and ignore Tales' storyline.
It would appear that Tales is spacing their story 7 years in the future to hopefully avoid any story problems that could be caused by LucasArts if they choose to make the next game and ignore Tales' storyline.
No, it would appear that they are providing a really long "buffer period" because they don't want to explain how LeChuck came back, mention any apects of the Escape ending, and give plot bubbles time to even out so they can jump right into the adventure of Tales. Really, they've made it HARDER to make another game if nothing else, because a LucasArts game made between Escape and Tales would have to end before the start of Tales. That means you'd collect the artifacts, sail off to meet LeChuck....and the game ends right there.
That means you'd collect the artifacts, sail off to meet LeChuck....and the game ends right there.
The other games' stories happened in the span of a year or two. LucasArts could complete 3-7 games if they wanted to in that 7 year time span, no law that says they have to jump into Tales' story with their next game.
Guys, I don't think LucasArts are planning on making any new Monkey Island games. Did you notice on their SMI:SE website that they have a link to Tell Tale Games saying "Tell Tale Games continues the adventure!" or something similar like that. I think LucasArts themselves consider TMI to be the MI5 in the series. Why can't we have a gap without any games in between? Lots of games have done it. Half-Life, Leisure Suit Larry, etc. You don't have to fill spaces all the time.
If LucasArts does make a new MI game it'll take place after TMI. Though, I think they'll just continue handing the reigns to TellTale really. Since their newfound respect for their old franchises and old franchise creators, I don't think they'd want to make a new Monkey Island without at least some of the original creators involved. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
SMI
*gap where Guybrush does piratey stuff and Elaine leaves him*
MI2LR
*gap where Guybrush escapes from the carnival*
CMI
*gap where Guybrush is on a honeymoon*
EMI
*gap where Guybrush builds the cutlass of Kaflu*
TMI
As far as I'm concerned, it's Monkey Island 4: SMI is Monkey Island 1, LCR is Monkey Island 2, the first four chapters of CMI are Monkey Island 3, and there's a massive gap that is, sadly, just a haze. There is no such thing as a Carnival of some Damned, an Insult that is Ultimate, a shapeshifting LeChuck, a grandad Herman or a sushi bar on Melee Island. Perhaps in his 10 year gap Guybrush stumbled upon Jambalaya at some point and came head to head with Ozzie Mandrill though, cause I rather liked those elements.
SMI
*gap where Guybrush does piratey stuff and Elaine leaves him*
MI2LR
*gap where Guybrush escapes from the carnival*
CMI
*gap where Guybrush is on a honeymoon*
EMI
*gap where Guybrush builds the cutlass of Kaflu*
TMI
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No, no. CMI is not officially called Monkey Island 3, and EMI is not officially called MI4. If you want to use numbers to refer to the Monkey Island games you have to be consistent - either you count them in the order they are released - in which case TMI is MI5 - or you don't use numbers for the games following MI2 at all.
how is this true at all? from the very first introduction Guybrush is infected with the pox and has to get rid of it. That isn't a loose connection, that's the plot my friend. That's not even mentioning the fact that if you play screaming narwahl and spinner cay right in a row it seems EXACTLY like one game. Also the opening song and chapter screens.
How is turning a cursed wife uncursed any more concrete than this?
I actually think the TMI plot is a lot more solid for one game than all of EMI.
Which doesn´t matter ONE bit. For a game based so much on comedy it is only right to play along the joke and regard it as MI 6 nonetheless.
It does not matter anyway. Many of you are all taking the matter too seriously. It´s a series of games that makes fun of itself, so just call it what you want .
Who really cares though?
What makes TMI, a game made by Lucasarts veterans who actually worked on the origial games, inluding original writer Dave Grossman and with input from Ron Gilbert, any more of a "spin-off" than CMI or EMI?
Remember, all the old adventure game developers have left Lucasarts long ago, and many of them are now working at telltale.
Its the same people.
Lucas Arts is making profit from it, and made an investment (intellectual property risk) in it.
Sure another company is handling it, but its the SAME PEOPLE. Different accounting departments, who cares.
Also, do you see the big ol' lucas arts logo in the beginning and on the game?
Yes.
It is not a spin off. A spin off would be something more like "Monkey Island: Tales of Elaine Marley" or "Monkey Island: The Cannibals go Low Carb". Spin offs generally take an ASPECT of an intellectual property brand and take it in a different direction. TMI is going in exactly the same vein as all the other games.
Either that, or making a game which uses the "universe" of an established franchise, but with completely different gameplay, like say Link's Crossbow training (Legend of Zelda) or Super Puzzle Fighter (Street Fighter).
You're a good man balin2k
What happens if they do a game documenting the events between Secret of Monkey Island and Monkey Island 2?
Also, that would be a fun game, me thinks.
Exactly.
although once loaded onto a PC it appears in the start menu under the title "Monkey Island 4".
I still haven't worked out why these numbers are important.
Wrong.
Link's Crossbow Training is a spin-off of the Zelda series. Link is still the main character.
TMI has the same multi chapter, over arcing storyline, adventure game style format (distribution is not the same as format)
Did you read my post directly below the one you quoted?
You made a typo there; if you wanna say it´s MI6 I fully agree!
SMI / MI1 / SoMI / TSoMI
MI2 / MI2:LCR / LCR / MI2:LR / LR
CMI / MI3 / CoMI / TCoMI
EMI / MI4 / EfMI
TMI / MI5 / ToMI / Tales (of MI)
The fact that there seems to be a huge gap between EMI and Tales doesn't stop me from referring to Tales as "MI5", because that gap is not any bigger than other gaps between games. Sure, we never know how big (as in how many months or years) these gaps are supposed to be - except for the gap between CMI and EMI, which is supposed to be exactly 3 months. But we do know how many things must have happened in between. And in a way, the gap between EMI and Tales doesn't seem that big to me, compared to other gaps between games, specifically, the gap between SMI and MI2.
But in the end, we will never know for sure, unless TTG or LucasArts decide to really make a game that takes place between EMI and Tales. There might be just a few "chapters" or "parts" missing in between, there might be enough room to fit a whole game as well. But the same applies to the gaps between the other games. I mean, who knows how many adventures Guybrush really went through after SMI in order to get all this loot and money he has in the beginning of MI2? Or just what happened to him on the Carnival of the Damned before the events of CMI started? Or what happened on those 3 months of honeymoon before EMI took place (probably nothing suitable for a video game, but still...)? I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
To sum it all up: Tales of MI is MI5 for me.
That's not a spinoff. That's a minigame.
True classics. I miss those days.
The third game in the "Solid" series. Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake for the MSX are also part of the canon yet people rarely mention them. Portable Ops for the PSP is before Metal Gear and also canon yet no one mentions it.
Some people feel that since LucasArts isn't directly involved with TMI that it isn't official canon...it's not the 5th game in the "LucasArts" series. It would appear that Tales is spacing their story 7 years in the future to hopefully avoid any story problems that could be caused by LucasArts if they choose to make the next game and ignore Tales' storyline.
The other games' stories happened in the span of a year or two. LucasArts could complete 3-7 games if they wanted to in that 7 year time span, no law that says they have to jump into Tales' story with their next game.
If LucasArts does make a new MI game it'll take place after TMI. Though, I think they'll just continue handing the reigns to TellTale really. Since their newfound respect for their old franchises and old franchise creators, I don't think they'd want to make a new Monkey Island without at least some of the original creators involved. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
That's the most likely answer, but if LucasArts knows they can make good money by doing it themselves you never know.
*gap where Guybrush does piratey stuff and Elaine leaves him*
MI2LR
*gap where Guybrush escapes from the carnival*
CMI
*gap where Guybrush is on a honeymoon*
EMI
*gap where Guybrush builds the cutlass of Kaflu*
TMI
So Tales is MI9!!!
As far as I'm concerned, it's Monkey Island 4: SMI is Monkey Island 1, LCR is Monkey Island 2, the first four chapters of CMI are Monkey Island 3, and there's a massive gap that is, sadly, just a haze. There is no such thing as a Carnival of some Damned, an Insult that is Ultimate, a shapeshifting LeChuck, a grandad Herman or a sushi bar on Melee Island. Perhaps in his 10 year gap Guybrush stumbled upon Jambalaya at some point and came head to head with Ozzie Mandrill though, cause I rather liked those elements.
That's the great thing about a fanbase: we have rather selective memories...
You, sir, win the thread. And one internet.