I would guess this was the idea, given she's grown up (or at least trained herself) according to legends of Guybrush (if that was true) and so they have to emphasize she's young, whether in actual age or simply in terms of the relationships between the characters
They done a good job of making her seem young. Even her behaviour states young. Her mood swings are effective as well. I think Morgan comes across ass the stereotypical teenager with a crush. (A strong crush to be fair)
Morgan is hot and you all are wrong. Elaine is probably like today feminists: Think they can do a man`s work and bitch about everything.
Maybe its because im 22 but i think Morgan`s voice is cute and not anyoing. On the other hand, if you are 50 years old or some guy who get whipped by your girlfriend each day you probably fancy Elaine....
Maybe its because im 22 but i think Morgan`s voice is cute and not anyoing. On the other hand, if you are 50 years old or some guy who get whipped by your girlfriend each day you probably fancy Elaine....
I'm 22, single, and a fan of British accents.
But, of course, you're entitled to prefer Morgan, just as I'm entitled to prefer Elaine.
Morgan is hot and you all are wrong. Elaine is probably like today feminists: Think they can do a man`s work and bitch about everything.
"Try to do a man's work"? Geez. Women are people, not personal servants. I really hope this is some sort of trolling attempt. Relationships aren't some "game" in which you vie for influence and power.
"Try to do a man's work"? Geez. Women are people, not personal servants. I really hope this is some sort of trolling attempt. Relationships aren't some "game" in which you vie for influence and power.
oh cmon. Both females and males have limitations in various areas. But enough of this discussion. I was just joking
Maybe its because im 22 but i think Morgan`s voice is cute and not anyoing. On the other hand, if you are 50 years old or some guy who get whipped by your girlfriend each day you probably fancy Elaine....
Well i'm 20 and Elaine's voice is alright, Morgan's is horrible and screechy.
... I do like the whipping... and the leather... hehe :cool:
Finally because there was one riddle which was almost driving me nuts. I did not collect the Ooze ingredient which i somehow missed and due to that i already had a red one, i thought i have everything in it's right place. Therefore i either was able to get a purple but wrong symbol or the proper symbol but only in the colours yellow, orange and green. Due to the three different shapes (skull, parrot and dunno what the third one was) and the different substances i thought that it must be combined on a more complex level like also taking some chemical characteristics into account or some positive/negative effects too.
Phew, i guess i spent something about 40% of the gaming time just for this riddle alone. But finally i got it - arrr!
The last adventure i played through was Machinarium and this was almost perfect for me, so in the beginning Episode 5 felt quite dissapointing, too falt (humour, riddles, ideas), honestly the same as i expected it. I think all the riddles for the trial were not interesting to be solved. Stan wasn't as annoying as in other games but Murray would have been a better character in his position. In the end Stan was okay. Anway it was the usual well somehow it's nice but really in no way exciting familiar feeling and i won't stop missing point&click, even more as you click on an evidence, the character walks there but if you just want to walk there, looking up all the evidences, it doesn't work, that's just weird.
One thing i noticed was that this time the game has improved a lot on the visual front. Nice detail touches here and there, proper lightning, good usage of depth of field, and an overall more darker mood.
Hurray for the tavern with lot' s of Grog, finally. :O) Also, this scene is done so very well, kudos folks! Easily the best scene in TOMI so far, just looking great.
After the trial the game moved into a direction which was much more after my taste. The story elements got stronger and it went a lot more darker with a humour which worked better for me. For the first time there was something to care about. A really enjoyable adventure from this point on.
So overall after the trial the game was very much enjoyable, graphically very well done, with a more than welcome darker mood, very atmospheric with nice conversations, and statements, a lot better than some of the childish stuff which has been done before.
One thing i wasn't this convinced of were the riddles. I was missing an ingenious one - more as due to DeSinge you were reminded of Episode's 1 monkey steering - and sometimes the puzzles felt not so well connected to the story. Also i think the scene were Guybrush was murdered was a bit too short. Anyway very nice work!
Looking forward to Episode 5 (especially LeChuck and of course Morgan).
My only complaint here is their constant refusal to mention the plot from MI4. The freaking game exists, people! It seems to me that since most fans of MI hate the game, they figure that those of us (while the minority) who actually liked MI4 don't mind the blatant avoidance to the game. Even if EMI wasn't a great game doesn't mean that it isn't canon. What if a bestselling author like were to write the next entry in a book series and decide to completely ignore the major events from the previous one, and simply take little tidbits here and there randomly to put into the new one?
I never noticed that actually, apart from a few Easter Eggs, there are no massive links to Escape, you could pretty much play MI1, MI2 and CMI and then go straight into TOMI without any major loss in story. and oddly enough, the story makes more sense that way, haha.
But I honestly do not think Morgan is dead, the random disappearance of her body leads me to believe she's out there.
And Guybrush, I don't want to believe it. Really. This just reminds me of Transformers 2, when Optimus was dead, but he came back to life. I want that to happen.
I was so happy when Elaine snapped out of it though at the end, and went to fucking attack LeChuck's voodoo ass.
I'm pretty certain Guybrush isn't completely dead due to there being one more episode left, so I guess that being in my mind (and also since it was predicted a lot anyway) I didn't react much to the ending. Though I still felt it was a lot more emotional than Morgan's scene since I actually care at all about Guybrush. (poor Elaine also)
I think I had more reaction to the death of the pyrite parrot though!! I feel like the only one who loves it. This series has been torturing too much with it. "NOOO IT'S GONE" "YAY IT'S BACK" "NOOO IT'S GONE AGAIN" etc.
I'm pretty certain Guybrush isn't completely dead due to there being one more episode left, so I guess that being in my mind (and also since it was predicted a lot anyway) I didn't react much to the ending. Though I still felt it was a lot more emotional than Morgan's scene since I actually care at all about Guybrush. (poor Elaine also)
I think I had more reaction to the death of the pyrite parrot though!! I feel like the only one who loves it. This series has been torturing too much with it. "NOOO IT'S GONE" "YAY IT'S BACK" "NOOO IT'S GONE AGAIN" etc.
I love that parrot too, but now he's actually GONE.
Except it doesn't have any darkness whatsoever. It's meant as a weak and artificial stand-in for real darkness, but it comes off as overly theatrical and unconvincing.
And I can be pleased. I was incredibly happy with Episode 3. It was amazing and I loved it. Sam and Max Season Two is my favorite video game of the past five years. I just think that the whole idea of "darkness" fell really flat. Maybe they just meant the sun would go down, in which case they delivered I guess.
Wow... Just finished it, can't really add more to what has been said already, best episode ever and definitely on par with the best of MI! Can't wait for the next!!!
One thing though, what exactly IS the matter with the CAT?
Except it doesn't have any darkness whatsoever. It's meant as a weak and artificial stand-in for real darkness, but it comes off as overly theatrical and unconvincing.
...I just think that the whole idea of "darkness" fell really flat. Maybe they just meant the sun would go down, in which case they delivered I guess.
I can see what you mean to an extent; it did seem a little clumsy and tbh the
Morgan death/Guybrush death/De Singe death (...geez this isn't Monkey Island this is Taggart)
didn't really work given the continued comedic undertones throughout the game
(especially when Morgan is killed and he's all sulky, but he still makes the odd light-hearted comment while in the room)
. But they tried something a little different and I doff my hat to them for that!
I'm not sure it was all that edge-of-your-seats dark, though the Ep4 atmosphere for me was relatively intense for MI and the dark-humour and
at times gratuitous death (wonder if they'd been watching Shaun of the Dead or something)
was about as much (if not more) than I would expect from MI.
Sure, it wasn't a world-changing ep, just like Nasa-beds aren't the secret to eternal youth. But since when to salesmen tell it like it is? I don't know if you were expected Alighieri to join the writing team, but I thought it was reasonably dark.
Rather tempted to just slip in a link to the Darker and Edgier entry on tvtropes here.
In fact, that's exactly what I'm going to do: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkerAndEdgier
In trying to make it darker by killing off so many characters, they kinda slingshot right back to the opposite end of the spectrum. If anything, Guybrush finally keeling over had me giggling because it was done so cheesily, what with the fading vision as he glances over at LeChuck, and the Last Request, and so on and so forth.
Okay, Morgan's death was unexpected, and DeSinge's end certainly made me wince.
I don't get why so many people are gushing over how it's the most amazing installment yet! The third was by far the best, in my opinion.
Wow what a clffhanger.. though I find it hard to believe that Telltale would kill guybrush off.. there is bound to be a way to bring him back. Maybe the voodoo Lady is able to? Well A Guybrush-less chapter 5 would be pretty lame imo.. can't believe I have to wait a month to find out what happens lol.
I am glad to see the old Lechuck back though and it was a pleasant surprise to see Earl Boen's name in the credits.
I am confused on the Voodoo Lady's part in all this though..guess I should replay the chapter but I thought that both Lechuck and Guybrush were pawns in the voodoo Lady's game all along and that Lechuck was evil becasue she made him that way. I dunno lol.. many questions still to be answered.
I guess though that Lechuck has to be a villain... can't have lechuck change sides now though lol.. it doesn't quite fit Monkey Island.
Except it doesn't have any darkness whatsoever. It's meant as a weak and artificial stand-in for real darkness, but it comes off as overly theatrical and unconvincing.
And I can be pleased. I was incredibly happy with Episode 3. It was amazing and I loved it. Sam and Max Season Two is my favorite video game of the past five years. I just think that the whole idea of "darkness" fell really flat. Maybe they just meant the sun would go down, in which case they delivered I guess.
No it's not. Being able to walk around in a room with Morgan's corpse right there and carrying around severed limbs isn't dark enough for you?
carrying round a bag of severed limbs is NOT dark, considering the silliness that ensues. I mean, REALLY. Dipping one in sugar water to attract fireflies, then following the glowing trail to discover a carnivorous plant with a lion's paw stuck in its thorns?
No it's not. Being able to walk around in a room with Morgan's corpse right there and carrying around severed limbs isn't dark enough for you?
Actually, Morgan's death would have been fine(if not really "dark") if
Also, those were the tamest severed limbs I've ever seen in anything. And we didn't get to see the room. And if we did, it'd be overly cartoony to the point of stupidity. If there's one annoying thing about Tales, it's that it shies away from gore to a ridiculously squeamish extent. It keeps making passing references, but refuses to actually "go there". Even when you have a severed limb, it's about as tame as you can get while still being a severed limb. Yes, if dark is what they were going for, they didn't do enough. Maybe LucasArts fans don't know what "dark" means. Maybe they think "dark" means the inside of a Hot Topic or a Stephanie Meyers novel. I don't know. But there's nothing inherently "dark" about it, and if it was played off as the light drama that it is...I wouldn't mind nearly as much.
carrying round a bag of severed limbs is NOT dark, considering the silliness that ensues. I mean, REALLY. Dipping one in sugar water to attract fireflies, then following the glowing trail to discover a carnivorous plant with a lion's paw stuck in its thorns?
Uh, it's still pretty dark. And oh my, sillyness. In Monkey Island. No way.
@Rather Dashing - The only time anything gory happened in MI was when LeChuck's limbs were ripped off, and THEN it was a gag.
Yes, mainly because I'm trying too hard to defend it blindly without thinking about what I'm saying beforehand. And because I don't want to accept what you're saying.
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Maybe its because im 22 but i think Morgan`s voice is cute and not anyoing. On the other hand, if you are 50 years old or some guy who get whipped by your girlfriend each day you probably fancy Elaine....
Cheers
I'm 22, single, and a fan of British accents.
But, of course, you're entitled to prefer Morgan, just as I'm entitled to prefer Elaine.
ok
And then you wonder why they "bitch". It's like recursion in here.
They're both great characters.
oh cmon. Both females and males have limitations in various areas. But enough of this discussion. I was just joking
Well i'm 20 and Elaine's voice is alright, Morgan's is horrible and screechy.
... I do like the whipping... and the leather... hehe :cool:
Finally because there was one riddle which was almost driving me nuts. I did not collect the Ooze ingredient which i somehow missed and due to that i already had a red one, i thought i have everything in it's right place. Therefore i either was able to get a purple but wrong symbol or the proper symbol but only in the colours yellow, orange and green. Due to the three different shapes (skull, parrot and dunno what the third one was) and the different substances i thought that it must be combined on a more complex level like also taking some chemical characteristics into account or some positive/negative effects too.
Phew, i guess i spent something about 40% of the gaming time just for this riddle alone. But finally i got it - arrr!
The last adventure i played through was Machinarium and this was almost perfect for me, so in the beginning Episode 5 felt quite dissapointing, too falt (humour, riddles, ideas), honestly the same as i expected it. I think all the riddles for the trial were not interesting to be solved. Stan wasn't as annoying as in other games but Murray would have been a better character in his position. In the end Stan was okay. Anway it was the usual well somehow it's nice but really in no way exciting familiar feeling and i won't stop missing point&click, even more as you click on an evidence, the character walks there but if you just want to walk there, looking up all the evidences, it doesn't work, that's just weird.
One thing i noticed was that this time the game has improved a lot on the visual front. Nice detail touches here and there, proper lightning, good usage of depth of field, and an overall more darker mood.
Hurray for the tavern with lot' s of Grog, finally. :O) Also, this scene is done so very well, kudos folks! Easily the best scene in TOMI so far, just looking great.
After the trial the game moved into a direction which was much more after my taste. The story elements got stronger and it went a lot more darker with a humour which worked better for me. For the first time there was something to care about. A really enjoyable adventure from this point on.
So overall after the trial the game was very much enjoyable, graphically very well done, with a more than welcome darker mood, very atmospheric with nice conversations, and statements, a lot better than some of the childish stuff which has been done before.
One thing i wasn't this convinced of were the riddles. I was missing an ingenious one - more as due to DeSinge you were reminded of Episode's 1 monkey steering - and sometimes the puzzles felt not so well connected to the story. Also i think the scene were Guybrush was murdered was a bit too short. Anyway very nice work!
Looking forward to Episode 5 (especially LeChuck and of course Morgan).
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
But I honestly do not think Morgan is dead, the random disappearance of her body leads me to believe she's out there.
And Guybrush, I don't want to believe it. Really. This just reminds me of Transformers 2, when Optimus was dead, but he came back to life. I want that to happen.
I was so happy when Elaine snapped out of it though at the end, and went to fucking attack LeChuck's voodoo ass.
I think I had more reaction to the death of the pyrite parrot though!! I feel like the only one who loves it.
I love that parrot too, but now he's actually GONE.
Maybe the Voodoo Lady will make a new one.
Will we get to play as Elaine in Ep5?
Or will we play as Ghost Guybrush?
I can't wait!
And I can be pleased. I was incredibly happy with Episode 3. It was amazing and I loved it. Sam and Max Season Two is my favorite video game of the past five years. I just think that the whole idea of "darkness" fell really flat. Maybe they just meant the sun would go down, in which case they delivered I guess.
One thing though, what exactly IS the matter with the CAT?
I can see what you mean to an extent; it did seem a little clumsy and tbh the
I'm not sure it was all that edge-of-your-seats dark, though the Ep4 atmosphere for me was relatively intense for MI and the dark-humour and
Sure, it wasn't a world-changing ep, just like Nasa-beds aren't the secret to eternal youth. But since when to salesmen tell it like it is? I don't know if you were expected Alighieri to join the writing team, but I thought it was reasonably dark.
In fact, that's exactly what I'm going to do: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarkerAndEdgier
In trying to make it darker by killing off so many characters, they kinda slingshot right back to the opposite end of the spectrum. If anything, Guybrush finally keeling over had me giggling because it was done so cheesily, what with the fading vision as he glances over at LeChuck, and the Last Request, and so on and so forth.
Okay, Morgan's death was unexpected, and DeSinge's end certainly made me wince.
I don't get why so many people are gushing over how it's the most amazing installment yet! The third was by far the best, in my opinion.
I am glad to see the old Lechuck back though and it was a pleasant surprise to see Earl Boen's name in the credits.
I am confused on the Voodoo Lady's part in all this though..guess I should replay the chapter but I thought that both Lechuck and Guybrush were pawns in the voodoo Lady's game all along and that Lechuck was evil becasue she made him that way. I dunno lol.. many questions still to be answered.
I guess though that Lechuck has to be a villain... can't have lechuck change sides now though lol.. it doesn't quite fit Monkey Island.
No it's not. Being able to walk around in a room with Morgan's corpse right there and carrying around severed limbs isn't dark enough for you?
Also, those were the tamest severed limbs I've ever seen in anything. And we didn't get to see the room. And if we did, it'd be overly cartoony to the point of stupidity. If there's one annoying thing about Tales, it's that it shies away from gore to a ridiculously squeamish extent. It keeps making passing references, but refuses to actually "go there". Even when you have a severed limb, it's about as tame as you can get while still being a severed limb. Yes, if dark is what they were going for, they didn't do enough. Maybe LucasArts fans don't know what "dark" means. Maybe they think "dark" means the inside of a Hot Topic or a Stephanie Meyers novel. I don't know. But there's nothing inherently "dark" about it, and if it was played off as the light drama that it is...I wouldn't mind nearly as much.
Uh, it's still pretty dark. And oh my, sillyness. In Monkey Island. No way.
@Rather Dashing - The only time anything gory happened in MI was when LeChuck's limbs were ripped off, and THEN it was a gag.
The point. You're missing it.
Yes, mainly because I'm trying too hard to defend it blindly without thinking about what I'm saying beforehand. And because I don't want to accept what you're saying.
I don't know about him, but I'm not missing the point. See?
.
There. There's your point.
Please don't let him be dead, it would ruin it!
...So are we playing as the hand in the beginning of the next episode?
Personally, I wouldn't mind playing as Elaine, at least in the front part of the last chapter until invariable GB gets back.
<insert getting to see what's in Elaine's pants/inventory joke>