DeSinge - anyone else not care?
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From the very first episode - I didn't care about DeSinge.
Monkey Island has always been great about taking characters who are small - who are merely there to entertain, or to even change the direction of the plot - and make you care about them or enjoy them. DeSinge - I didn't like him, and even though he did change the direction of the plot (sending Morgan after Guybrush, causing Guybrush to lose a hand, having Morgan bring him back to Flotsam, taking focus off of the real villain, the final confrontation...) I didn't care about him, and I feel like he is one of the most forgettable characters in MI history. I guess what I am saying is that this is the first MI character that I've encountered who, even though might be important to the plot, I didn't care about. I'm not going to say he is the most unlikable character in the whole series, but he ranks up there.
I understand his role, I get why he is there - I just didn't care about him at all. Every time he was referenced I thought - oh geeze, guess they've got to bring him up again. Didn't like him, didn't care about him - which stinks, because I feel like I care about most MI characters - even the little ones. (I always wished Capt. Smirk would have come back up - MI2 or MI3 or something).
Another point - I feel like this is the first Monkey Island game with really really forgettable characters. anyone else feel that way? All the other games seemed to have great supporting players (even EMI) but this one...most of them are just forgettable. thoughts?
From the very first episode - I didn't care about DeSinge.
Monkey Island has always been great about taking characters who are small - who are merely there to entertain, or to even change the direction of the plot - and make you care about them or enjoy them. DeSinge - I didn't like him, and even though he did change the direction of the plot (sending Morgan after Guybrush, causing Guybrush to lose a hand, having Morgan bring him back to Flotsam, taking focus off of the real villain, the final confrontation...) I didn't care about him, and I feel like he is one of the most forgettable characters in MI history. I guess what I am saying is that this is the first MI character that I've encountered who, even though might be important to the plot, I didn't care about. I'm not going to say he is the most unlikable character in the whole series, but he ranks up there.
I understand his role, I get why he is there - I just didn't care about him at all. Every time he was referenced I thought - oh geeze, guess they've got to bring him up again. Didn't like him, didn't care about him - which stinks, because I feel like I care about most MI characters - even the little ones. (I always wished Capt. Smirk would have come back up - MI2 or MI3 or something).
Another point - I feel like this is the first Monkey Island game with really really forgettable characters. anyone else feel that way? All the other games seemed to have great supporting players (even EMI) but this one...most of them are just forgettable. thoughts?
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I still can't get out his line out of my head, "I could literally taste my underpants", or something similar to that. I was just... happy, because he was in pain, I guess.
Also I don't think I would ever forget Morgan. She is
I also liked Hugh Bliss
...Well, I can't recall their names right now, but I'll get back to you on that.
On a more serious note, I liked DeSinge. His lab was one of the best locations in the game, he's certainly distinctive, and I thought his whole motivation was believable. He's also the source of almost every attempt at a "disturbing" moment, and I appreciate this. I think he's the catalyst for a lot of humorous not-so-subtle sexual jokes, as well. =p
There are some forgettable characters in Tales, though. Flotsam has a good number of pirates whose names I can't recall, and if I did I wouldn't really care about them. D'oro sticks out...like a thorn in your side. It better in Episode 2, though not "great". The characterization in episode 3 was pretty damn amazing, and I loved all the characters, even Murray(who unlike many here I expected to be an annoyance).
Also,
TMI does introduce some great new characters though. I think the main reason why some of them may be forgettable is because quite a few of them seem to be very similar to each other in personality, and often appearance too. Not as much variety in character design perhaps. But characters such as Morgan, Winslow and the Pyrite Parrot have been great additions to the cast and I will certainly not be forgetting them anytime soon. ^^
Although there are certainly a few 'throwaway' characters in Tales, I'd say the majority are as memorable as characters in the older games. It's really a matter of taste, I think. Characters that I think are forgettable may hold a special place in someone else's heart.
Not counting returning characters from previous games, my personal favorites so far (in order of appearance) have been Crimpdigit, Trenchfoot, Bugeye, and WP Grindstump.
If I had to pick out characters I cared the least about, I'd have to say Hemlock McGee, McGillicutty, and Tetra. Even these characters that I find less memorable gave good performances. Apparently they can't have been too forgettable or I wouldn't have remembered them at all.
When he first appeared, opening the door to let Guybrush in I thought "Who's this?? He does not fit in the MI world at all." but I got used to him, found he had a great voice actor, too, and truly enjoyed him for being so different from the rest of the crew.
But I gotta agree that there are a lot of forgettable supporting characters in TMI. I can't remember most of their names outside of Morgan, Winslow, De Cava, the frat boy trio, and De Singe.
Should be more than that, anyway? Old games slightly have more characters, okay, but I believe the real reason why one can remember all of them is that old games weren't sliced into 5 different parts. This means, because the game is big enough in itself, there are more puzzles, and more than one puzzle may be around only one character, and this means more interaction with this character. The more talking to this character, the deeper scar it carves into your brain. Also, once you get stuck, because there are more places to go and more possibilities that may solve your problem at the moment, you're forced to talk all the characters in the game you've encountered. It's not like in episodic gaming, for instance, to solve a puzzle in the second episode you don't have to talk to a character in the first episode, and this gives you the chance of forgeting this character after beating the first episode.
It doesn't have to be purely about the quality of the characters, it may also be a quirk of episodic gaming; if you tend to forget the characters in Tales easier than the other games in the franchise.
Does that make sense?
No?
I'll just go somewhere else.
How could you possibly _not_ like a villain...? I always liked the villain better than the protagonist. The villain's more powerful, sexier and usually has a greater aura then Mr. Good Guy.
Take Alan Rickman vs sorry-excuse-fo-a-Robin-Hood Kevin Costner for example.
YES! That's who he reminds me of now!
I don't know if I remember this as a throwaway line in Chapter 4, but doesn't De Singe say he's not actually French after all? Leading a confused Guybrush to say that he assumed he was, what with the accent and the clothes?
This character also had a very similar line to DeSinge's:
"Would you like to earn some money?"
-"No. I want other people to earn it and then give it to me."
--> "I don't get people. I hire people like you to get them for me."
I knew I'd seen him somewhere before. Anyway, I think DeSinge is great, one of Tales's best new characters.
I like the DeSinge character. I think he's an amusing villain. Winslow has had some funny moments, and he has somehow gained legendary status on this forum which helps. I just hope that they do something really cool with him in Chapter 5, and don't just have him cooling his heels the ship again. Morgan has been a great addition to the Monkey Island cast of characters. She's sexy, complicated, unpredictable... sexy... But so far, TMI has only really added these three notable characters to the Monkey Island world. I think a big part of that is the unfortunate generic-fat-guy and generic-skinny-guy character models that TT has been re-using throughout the series. Although they did what they could to try and make the best of it, it must have been very limiting for character creation, and many characters sort of blend together because there are too many similarities between them. Besides the returning stars like Stan and the Voodoo lady, I think DeSinge, Morgan and Winslow are the only characters to have had their own unique character model created (I think Winslow might even be generic-fat-guy model, too), and that really makes a big difference. Hopefully if (WHEN) there is a season 2, they can move away from the limiting Wii system and free themselves to make a more diverse, better-looking cast of characters.
Didn't think I'd be saying this any time soon, but what RD said...
He can't be that forgetable if the OP started this thread.... He is obviously not supposed to to be liked but for one reason or another I think he will be memorable.
He has as much depth as most of the characters from the classics if you put nostalgia to the side. Its like saying Lada Gaga isn't as memorable as Madonna. Unlikey that she will be, but ask me in 20 years.
Hugh Bliss, on the other hand, I wanted to reach into the computer and strangle him every time he spoke. His voice was like a cheese grater being rubbed onto my face.
He wasn't the worst, but I didn't care about him. His lab was great, but he was mediocre. Guybrush faces a different minor antagonists in every chapter except for chapter four, where he clashes with De Singe again. I would have preferred to leave De Singe in chapter one and had a new antagonist in chapter four, but whatever. It could have been far worse.
Actually, Winslow is a generic model too, but Judge Goodsoup, Coronado de Cava and his crew, and the merfolk are unique models.
Anyway, I actually can't believe they fell into a trap of making LeChuck a secondary character again, especially seeing as the last and only other game that happened in is the least popular of the series by far (EMI). To me, it felt a bit like Ozzie Mandrill all over again. Episode 4 spoiler:
But the end, DeSinge will probably end up being last of my list of great new characters in ToMI.
Sometimes, I think having a second villain works (Largo LaGrande, for example, was a great character) and I still think DeSinge is entertaining. But something I'm looking forward to in the final chapter is that
Stereotype of what? The French?
Just because it was in EMI doesn't mean it wasn't good.
Do you know how unbelievably boring it'd be if it was always Guybrush vs LeChuck, Guybrush vs LeChuck?
^-- agreed..
EMI was bad because of it. It wasn't bad because it was in EMI. I never said that.
Yeah, about as boring as the three first games. Oh, wait!
He fits relatively well to the timeperiod (late 17th century), although De Singe's girly man appearance reminds me about what was wrong in the 18th century. So he's maybe 50-100 years off, but anachronisms are all right in the Monkey Island -series.
And who wouldn't like mad scientists. For secondary baddie character he is all right. Maybe not as good as Largo LaGrande, but I would rank him as high as I rank Captain Rottingham or LeChimp. And De Singe was IMO better than Pegnose Pete and Ozzie. Also that Pirate Captain in episode 2 was IMO less impressive than De Singe.
I certainly hope so, or someone's going to be in trouble over that shoddy 17th century electrical wiring.
I think I'm going to have to go make a list of as many Monkey Island anachronisms as I can think of now...
I don't like this character at all, he seems to be out of place and the french accent is unbearable. He is one of the few weak points in the (great) series.