More Sexual Tension/All Aboard the RelationShip

Anonymous Ichorholic

Is it just me or has ToMI featured a lot more sexual tension that the previous games? I mean, there has ALWAYS been innuendo, and Guybrush has always had the disconcerting (but hilarious) tendency to adopt deep/husky/pornstar voices when approaching many women throughout the series... But ToMI had blatant tension!! What are your thoughts and what were your favourite instances of sexual tension?

jp-30

Guybrush and Morgan, without a doubt! Who'd have though before playing Ep 1 that the players would be wondering if Guybrush would be better off ditching Elaine and running off with the hot new sassy girl.

I'm still wondering it to be honest...

Anonymous Ichorholic

jp-30 wrote: »

Guybrush and Morgan, without a doubt! Who'd have though before playing Ep 1 that the players would be wondering if Guybrush would be better off ditching Elaine and running off with the hot new sassy girl.

I'm still wondering it to be honest...

I agree entirely. I frequently found myself trying to will Guybrush to see the light. And I thought that might be where TellTale was heading, too, considering the fact that they continued to highlight Elaine's shortcomings as a wife. I was almost certain SOMETHING might happen when Guybrush

was convinced that Elaine had dumped him for good...

But then again... I suppose it is a family game...(?)

dahoughtonuk

I wondered that as well. Because in the end Morgan seemed to have moved from crush to someone who genuinely loves Guybrush for all his flaws and even her treachery was more understandable and I felt more forgiveable than Elaine's. Morgan had several motivations for hers. Elaine's came out of nowhere.

In the end I would have preferred Guybrush to have left, for Elaine should have shattered his trust far worse than Morgan did. Family or not I would prefer. "There are some things that cannot be forgiven, no matter how good the reason seems. For trust is fragile and can be easily destroyed."

And that's my problem with the ending. Morgan's betrayal was expected, but you hoped it wouldn't happen. Elaine's was unexpected and an apparently complete betrayal of Guybrush.

And am still neutral on whether Morgan should have him, but I felt Elaine shouldn't. (And after ToMI4 I felt I was firmly in the Elaine camp)

brian.shapiro

dahoughtonuk wrote: »

I wondered that as well. Because in the end Morgan seemed to have moved from crush to someone who genuinely loves Guybrush for all his flaws and even her treachery was more understandable and I felt more forgiveable than Elaine's. Morgan had several motivations for hers. Elaine's came out of nowhere.

Elaine didn't betray Guybrush, right before she agreed to become LeChuck's bride she had a clever look on her face, like she was up to a plan.. that means she knew what she was doing an expected Guybrush to save her

dahoughtonuk

Your forgetting how Guybrush saw it until Morgan encouraged him. And a clever look only means Elaine has a plan, not what plan.

Anonymous Ichorholic

Interesting... I agree both with dahoughtonuk and brian.shapiro because:
a) Indeed, it seemed that Elaine was scheming, and therefore had Guybrush's best interests at heart...
but
b) Elaine didn't make Guybrush aware that she was playing a role. She didn't even try to convey to him that it was a ruse. And so Guybrush spent the next few hours/days feeling awfully depressed that had "lost his wife" (as he said to Morgan).

As for apologies... Morgan apologised whole-heartedly to Guybrush, and even went so far as to sacrifice her reputation for him. Elaine, on the other hand, did not utter a single word of apology for any of the ordeal. I suppose she did have the ultimate genius plan with

the ring

, but still...

I'm happy for Guybrush and Elaine to be together... but I would have liked to have seen Guybrush develop and demonstrate a few more feelings for Morgan... I think it would have been realistic in the context of having a crazed and estranged wife, while under significant pressure etc...

Oh god, now we're psychoanalysing MI. What is happening to me? Oh that's right, the game's over!! NOW WHAT WILL WE DO?! Talk about it, of course.

coolsome

if you talk to her while getting pummled by lechuck she prommises never to do it agian and she was just as in love and caring about him

Anonymous Ichorholic

Sailorcuteness wrote: »

if you talk to her while getting pummled by lechuck she prommises never to do it agian and she was just as in love and caring about him

Fair enough, that's right. She does say how much she loves him. This is true. I'm being too harsh on Laneypoo, probably. She and Guybrush were meant to be, after all.

apenpaap

Where's the Morgan & Murray option?

Rather Dashing

...Seriously?

Still?

I mean, come on. I can understand halfway through the season. But we just had the big reunion, Elaine is happy, Guybrush is happy. Did nobody else feel a bit of warmth come to their cold, disinterested hearts when they figured out the final puzzle?

With the ring?

I mean, does nobody REMEMBER that spell? 'Cause you know, Guybrush recites it and everything.

Scrawffler

I'm glad the game ended the way it did. I liked the friendship thing between Guybrush and Morgan, especially in the last chapter, but there's been something special between Guybrush and Elaine throughout the whole Monkey Island series. I loved how they

worked together in the battle against LeChuck at the end of chapter 5

and of course the

last puzzle with the ring

was very symbolic.

I was tempted to vote for Winslow and Anemone in that poll though. I didn't... but I was tempted.

EDIT: Ooh! What about Guybrush and LeChuck?

During the final battle Guybrush could say something to Elaine along the lines of: "When you had the pox, I thought that was sexy. Does that mean I'm attracted to LeChuck?"

dahoughtonuk

Yes, I understand what it was meant to represent, but it left me cold, instead of warm. Also don't forget that Voodoo lady stated. "Your wife's fate is her own." While I don't trust Voodoo Lady I just couldn't trust Elaine. Not after that betrayal.

Lup

Seriously, everyone of us knew that guybrush would never ditch elaine for morgan.... but guybrush mostly ignored/didn't notice Morgan's attempts completely. that totally took out the tension and guybrush seemed always pretty dumb in this situations ... he could have been at least a bit nervous.

Bobbin

Noogie and Winslow.

adventureaddict

Guybrush + Elaine!

... I'm probably just an ol' romantic at heart though :rolleyes:

doggans

Anonymous Ichorholic wrote: »

b) Elaine didn't make Guybrush aware that she was playing a role. She didn't even try to convey to him that it was a ruse. And so Guybrush spent the next few hours/days feeling awfully depressed that had "lost his wife" (as he said to Morgan).

Elaine trusts Guybrush to save the day, but she knows better than to trust him with a secret she's trying to keep from the demon god standing ten feet away from them.

Plus, she may have figured that he needed just an extra touch of revenge motivation in order to come back against LeChuck at full strength.

Seriously, I don't see anything resembling betrayal in anything Elane did in this series. Anything she did while not under the pox/demon curse, anyway.

dahoughtonuk

Odd, while under the pox, I can hardly call Elaine's actions betrayals, not even how bad a character witness she was. Elaine was understandbly pretty mad and jealous. But unpoxed Elaine agrees to become LeChucks demon bride?

It may not have been intended as a betrayal, but it seemed to be a complete and utter one.

doggans

dahoughtonuk wrote: »

But unpoxed Elaine agrees to become LeChucks demon bride?

Well, they had to get that "sacrifice" for the final puzzle somehow!

eMKayeN

Winslow and The Map

Falanca

I have the strangest feeling, as if the thing Morgan sacrificed for Guybrush was not her reputation, but her love for Guybrush.


That makes me sad. It's so meaningful.

thatdude98

aren't u all forgetting the last scene at the end of the credits?

how Morgan betrayed Guybrush AGAIN by giving the remains of LeChuck (still not sure how that works) to the Voodoo Lady?

bubbledncr

Falanca wrote: »

I have the strangest feeling, as if the thing Morgan sacrificed for Guybrush was not her reputation, but her love for Guybrush.


That makes me sad. It's so meaningful.

After you solve the compliment/insult swordfight, you can ask Morgan about how you have your last shred of life. Then you can ask her what was most important to her when she was alive.

bubbledncr

thatdude98 wrote: »

aren't u all forgetting the last scene at the end of the credits?

how Morgan betrayed Guybrush AGAIN by giving the remains of LeChuck (still not sure how that works) to the Voodoo Lady?

see my above post.

Falanca

thatdude98 wrote: »

aren't u all forgetting the last scene at the end of the credits?

how Morgan betrayed Guybrush AGAIN by giving the remains of LeChuck (still not sure how that works) to the Voodoo Lady?

She didn't betray him, she just never told him. And at that point, their goals were the same.

bubbledncr wrote: »

After you solve the compliment/insult swordfight, you can ask Morgan about how you have your last shred of life. Then you can ask her what was most important to her when she was alive.

We know she's a good liar.

Naxos

I still do not know what there is to like about Elaine. From the very first Monkey Island she has not been honest or likable.

Morgan on the other hand has been a character whose feelings have grow, change, and matured, for Guybrush, since her introduction to the series. It is so much easier to like and root for her.

Falanca

In the first Monkey Island, she was the only character that had a rather understanding and nice personality. Her mugshot was just beautiful, and she never said a lie or something. In the second game she just moaned, and nothing else, so I don't care. I didn't play Curse or Escape, and she's just all "woo I'm smart" in Tales, which I find really annoying.

Morgan, why yes. She acts... as if she wasn't fictional at all. That's something hard to accomplish.

jmm

My 2 cents:

The Voodoo Lady is the key here. She clearly manipulated Morgan to do her bidding.
I doubt Morgan lied, but I think she gave only a partial truth.

Just for the thought: remember the reaction when Guybrush showed Morgan's flier in episode 1.

I think the Voodoo Lady knew at that precise moment what will transpire and the opportunity Morgan will offer her (un)willingly (And what perfect way to control her! The Voodoo Lady has Morgan's body)
And IF a new season will be made by Telltale, we will unravel a bit more on "the grand scheme of things", the real deal with "The Juice of LeChuck(tm)" and setting free Morgan... Plus an explanation on the hatred Elaine has for the Voodoo Lady (Which is greater than the one explained in Episode 5)

Rybrush

I loved the whole 'voodoo lady is behind everything' idea in episode four. Really dissappointed we didn't get a resolution in five... I understand they are leaving things open for a new season... but they made such a huge deal of it in Trial and Execution. I was looking forward to some closure. Either way... I had fun playing the finale. Glad Monkey Island is back.

fergusdog

dahoughtonuk wrote: »

Odd, while under the pox, I can hardly call Elaine's actions betrayals, not even how bad a character witness she was. Elaine was understandbly pretty mad and jealous. But unpoxed Elaine agrees to become LeChucks demon bride?

It may not have been intended as a betrayal, but it seemed to be a complete and utter one.

Did you notice Elaine agreed to this just after LeChuck casually remarked that he can only be killed by a blade that no human can touch? It was pretty clear to me that she wanted to stab him herself - which she did. I can't see the betrayal.

Elaine and Guybrush seem to be the perfect marriage. I like how Telltale gave her a bit of an edge. They truly resemble a long-term marriage with all their ups and downs.

dahoughtonuk

Then I think Telltale really need to make Elaine's actions clearer here. I needed a reason for Guybrush to switch gears from totally betrayed to rescue my wife, and not just Morgan's encouragement. (Morgan should still have been the key though) It's the one time I think a flashback, not only would have worked, but was necessary

OCKi

I guess it is true..
Morgan is the "new" Elaine!

octochan

fergusdog wrote: »

Did you notice Elaine agreed to this just after LeChuck casually remarked that he can only be killed by a blade that no human can touch? It was pretty clear to me that she wanted to stab him herself - which she did. I can't see the betrayal.

Elaine and Guybrush seem to be the perfect marriage. I like how Telltale gave her a bit of an edge. They truly resemble a long-term marriage with all their ups and downs.

I thought it was perfectly obvious - which of course, doesn't help where Guybrush is concerned. He's perfectly oblivious, even when Elaine was practically shouting all the information about the cutlass the he'd need to know at him.

PecanBlue

I also figured Elaine was in some sort of hypnotism or other form similar to the poxed state when she becomes his bride, I mean she clearly seems out of it when she goes back to normal.

adventureaddict

PecanBlue wrote: »

I also figured Elaine was in some sort of hypnotism or other form similar to the poxed state when she becomes his bride, I mean she clearly seems out of it when she goes back to normal.

I thought this too, her eyes go all weird and everything.

PecanBlue

Oh yeah and it was very tempting to vote for Winslow/Anemone, I think it's my new OH TEE PEE. But I went for being honest and voted Guybrush/Elaine since their relationship was really enjoyable to watch in this series and I believe I should praise Telltale for that.

Steverin0

An interesting thread. I too felt the tension there between Morgan and Guybrush especially when in the dead zone, there is something there I think, or at least it was hinted towards. As a result, when he was reunited with Elaine, after everything he has been through with Morgan, it felt like a fake reunion. To me, it was as if Guybrush had been dumped by Elaine for another after a long term relationship, was moping but discovered someone else that was exciting and made him realise he could have feelings for another and that the person was his true destiny, yet the old feelings were slightly there for his LTR so he went back to her when she realised she had *made a mistake*. I think that relationship is dead and he needs to move on. Morgan understands him better and they are more suited. Elaine is like a reliable 1980s Volkswagen, Morgan is like a BMW M3.

Hahahaha, yea i know..

PecanBlue

Doesn't look dead to me, in fact this whole episode put such emphasis on the fact that their bond is so strong that they trust each other to extreme lengths. I understand the relationship is not everyone's cup of tea, but thinking nothing's there anymore is kind of a long shot, haha.

Ragism

I didn't like the way Elaine acted, too. Yes, she is a badass pirate and that's something that really got lost during CMI and EMI. At first I was glad ToMI took her back in that direction.

But during the season Elaine tried hard to stay away from Guybrush. Whenever he got near her, she decided to stay with LeChuck or to do stupid things. We never really had any explanation for it, except that she pretended to have a plan all the time. Whatever that was. Well, she wasn't really succesful saving Guybrush.

The moment Guybrush realises that the ring is the one thing that can bring him back to life was a very sweet idea. But it could have been so much better if Elaine hadn't acted like a cold hard bitch during the whole game.

Well, maybe TTG had to put way too much story and dialogue in this last episode. So the choices of the characters generally son't seem very comprehensible.

Nevertheless, it was a brilliant game! It's even coming a little closer to the fabulous MI2.

Adon

I think part of the issue people have with Elaine is that she really does spend a sizeable majority of the game 'not herself', either through pox or demon-brideness. That's bound to leave a rather unflattering picture overall. It isn't helped, to be fair, by the fact that in the moments where she is speaking truthfully only a handful does she show Guybrush real affection or respect.

puzzlebox

I was reallly sad to see Winslow and Anenome together. It just felt wrong for Winslow to ditch his long-term love affair with the map, and run off with the first sexy fish that came along. So what if he thought the map was gone forever? There should be a respectable grieving period.