LIES! - A Question About Missing Tarot Cards

Hey, everyone!

I have a question for Telltale. I hear that "The Scientist" and "The Sixth Sense" cards are missing from the Voodoo Card Set. According to the product page in the store (http://www.telltalegames.com/store/tomi-voodoo), the set includes "all the cards seen in the game, plus new ones." It even includes a picture of "The Scientist" as one of the sample images.

So, what gives? The Scientist and Sixth Sense cards were definitely in the game, so according to the product page, they should be in the set!

Can we get an official word on what happened, and can we please get these two cards somehow?

Thanks!

Koomazaz
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  • edited June 2010
    I figure the 6th sense would be harder to pull of since the hand on the card is supposed to be your own, so I never really expected it to make it in.
    Can't tell you for the scientist.
  • edited June 2010
    Maybe they're saving them for a second set of voodoo cards. :p
  • edited June 2010
    Yeah, it does say all cards in the game plus new ones. That's cruel.
  • edited June 2010
    I sent TTG an e-mail... Hopefully, they'll consider sending the missing cards to anyone who owns the set.
  • edited June 2010
    Koomazaz wrote: »
    I sent TTG an e-mail... Hopefully, they'll consider sending the missing cards to anyone who owns the set.

    Er... they'd have to make them first. That would probably cost them a LOT. Don't hold your breath.
  • edited June 2010
    one of them could be with the deluxe
  • edited June 2010
    Nope. It is fairly certain that the deluxe version is coming with "The Fool."
  • edited June 2010
    Koomazaz wrote: »
    Nope. It is fairly certain that the deluxe version is coming with "The Fool."

    lol, reminds me of Persona. I love those games.

    I'm guessing that someone at Telltale made a mistake, and no-one checked it against the game. I doubt they'd send anymore cards though, it doesn't make sense financially. That being said, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, it even shows The Scientist on the site.

    They're still pretty damn cool though.
  • edited June 2010
    Doesn't make sense financially or not... the consumer should get what they paid for.. I am a big supporter of TTG but I think this is kind of uncool if they do not address this...

    the two cards should be sent out to the people who bought the set thinking they were going to get what was advertised.. and the 6th sense card could just be a regular card... with just a flat picture.

    here is some screen caps from the store in case they change the wording later. I mean comeon they even have the scientist card pictured as coming with the set....

    Notice that there is NOT a card count in the description it only says that you get ALL of the cards shown in the game... by that description the card that comes with the deluxe edition should be all new.

    http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4555/96101036.jpg
    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4089/26228859.jpg
  • joeldeejoeldee Telltale Alumni
    edited June 2010
    Hi all

    We're looking into this. The store description is getting changed, at least for the short term.

    It may have been an oversight during the production process for the cards.
  • tom at telltaletom at telltale Telltale Alumni
    edited June 2010
    Hi All,

    When we first announced the Voodoo Card Set, we had planned to include all cards from the game. Between the time that we announced the cards and when they were printed, we made a few changes, including the addition of four completely new cards created by Ryan Jones specifically for this set – The Devil, The Guide, Strength, and The Tower (these are bonuses, beyond the cards in the game). The card set description on the site is being updated to accurately describe the shipping product. The Sixth Sense hadn’t been intended for the final set (some categorize it as an “effect” more than a separate card … granted, this is somewhat debatable).

    We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

    -Tom Byron, Telltale Games
  • edited June 2010
    Hi All,

    When we first announced the Voodoo Card Set, we had planned to include all cards from the game. Between the time that we announced the cards and when they were printed, we made a few changes, including the addition of four completely new cards created by Ryan Jones specifically for this set – The Devil, The Guide, Strength, and The Tower (these are bonuses, beyond the cards in the game). The card set description on the site is being updated to accurately describe the shipping product. The Sixth Sense hadn’t been intended for the final set (some categorize it as an “effect” more than a separate card … granted, this is somewhat debatable).

    We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

    -Tom Byron, Telltale Games

    So will there ever be a "The Scientist" card?
  • edited June 2010
    The Scientist card is pictured as part of the set.... in the samples... So pretty much what we are getting is an official "too bad" that is kinda lame. It was pictured we should get it...

    This isn't one of those instances where we didn't read the fine print... it was clearly pictured as part of the set.
    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4089/26228859.jpg

    as of this post it still is pictured... its not like we paid a $1 for the set it was $20...
  • edited June 2010
    prizna wrote: »
    So will there ever be a "The Scientist" card?

    It will come as a prize in specially marked boxes of Guybrush's Mighty Pirate™ brand cereal. Other prizes include: treasure crab wind-up toy, giant manatee squirt toy, and a key.
  • edited June 2010
    I will gladly give up my hopes for the card if I can have a Treasure Crab wind-up toy.
  • edited June 2010
    It will come as a prize in specially marked boxes of Guybrush's Mighty Pirate™ brand cereal. Other prizes include: treasure crab wind-up toy, giant manatee squirt toy, and a key.

    Why did you have to say that, now im going to be wishing I had one.
  • edited June 2010
    You're basically getting a new card instead of that old one, guys. I totally understand being disappointed, especially if this one was your favourite, but then they ended up going an extra mile and adding a new card instead... I don't think they should send that card to everyone, personally. I mean it would cost them a lot and it's an extra card. Maybe if you returned one of the new cards in return? :p

    I just don't think mailing a single card would be very cost-effective for them, even if they did manage to get them printed. I think at best, if they get it printed they should have it for free to people who bought the voodoo cards, but you'd still pay for shipping - like with the DVDs. Or you could order it but only grouped with something else. But I don't think they're going to print that one card, it just seems too unlikely to me.

    I personally would care more about the lack of the dagger in the betrayal card. Why did it disappear? That's a bit weird.
  • edited June 2010
    Irishmile wrote: »
    I will gladly give up my hopes for the card if I can have a Treasure Crab wind-up toy.

    I hereby submit a request for a photoshopped box of the aforementioned cereal, complete with prizes.
  • edited June 2010
    Hi All,

    When we first announced the Voodoo Card Set, we had planned to include all cards from the game. Between the time that we announced the cards and when they were printed, we made a few changes, including the addition of four completely new cards created by Ryan Jones specifically for this set – The Devil, The Guide, Strength, and The Tower (these are bonuses, beyond the cards in the game). The card set description on the site is being updated to accurately describe the shipping product. The Sixth Sense hadn’t been intended for the final set (some categorize it as an “effect” more than a separate card … granted, this is somewhat debatable).

    We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

    -Tom Byron, Telltale Games

    So, any chance at all of getting The Scientist card printed and mailed to purchasers?
  • edited June 2010
    Koomazaz wrote: »
    So, any chance at all of getting The Scientist card printed and mailed to purchasers?

    -_-'

    The cards were sold for 19.99. Of course it's not 100% profit. Shipping alone outside the US would could 17 dollars per person, negating all profits. You might think sales inside the US would make up for it enough that they'd still make some profit, but add to that production cost and I'm pretty sure each voodoo cards sale would end up being a loss for them if they did that.
    I just can't see it happening.
    And I'm pretty sure everyone would complain again if they had to pay shipping for that extra card, too.
  • edited June 2010
    Personally I never expected The Sixth Sense to be as it wasn't really a literally card it was just an effect.

    But I'd have to say it is kinda poor show that even after things got changed in production the store still says all the cards from the game are included AND pictures the scientist card when it isn't in the set.
  • edited June 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    I personally would care more about the lack of the dagger in the betrayal card. Why did it disappear? That's a bit weird.

    Yeah, I was wondering about that too...
  • edited June 2010
    Surely it can't cost that much just to put the card in an envelope and mail it out?
    Esp since people paid thinking they would get that card
  • edited June 2010
    Surely it can't cost that much just to put the card in an envelope and mail it out?
    Esp since people paid thinking they would get that card

    Putting the card in an envelope isn't expensive. Production and shipping are expensive.
  • edited June 2010
    Surely it can't cost that much just to put the card in an envelope and mail it out?
    Esp since people paid thinking they would get that card

    When I order something, the cheapest shipping option is 17 dollars. They don't make any profit on shipping, therefore that's what they're paying as well.
    It probably involve stuff like insurance, or they have a deal with the company so they don't have to weigh everything before they can get a price. I dunno, either way it's expensive if they want to do it in a professional way.

    If they just put a card in a regular envelope, even forgetting the likelihood that it would get damaged, they still have to pay people to do that.

    Not to mention they'd have to actually print the cards first, which is apparently a long, complicated process, and I'm sure would cost a bunch of money.

    I don't know, I can see them maaybe accepting returns for unopened decks (if you pay shipping), but even that sounds like a stretch to me.
  • edited June 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    I don't know, I can see them maaybe accepting returns for unopened decks (if you pay shipping), but even that sounds like a stretch to me.

    Thing is, those people who have already purchased their cards LEGALLY have to get everything they ordered. It's false advertising otherwise. Now, I'm not too torn up about the fact of a missing card if it is simply unavailable, but I do think that Telltale must in turn do something to make up for it. I definitely think the only good way to make up for their mistake is to print the cards and mail them. They could just stick the card in a padded bubble envelope with think cardboard on either side. Write "DO NOT BEND" on the envelope, and mail it! Sure, out-of-country shipping will be a bit more costly, but mailing a small envelope surely is less than $17. As I said, in my opinion, I feel this is the only true way to correct the problem.

    But this is just my opinion.

    P.S. I love Telltale Games!
  • edited June 2010
    I have defended TTG in almost every single whining thread that pops up... but on this issue TTG is definitely in the wrong.. Its a shame that it would cost them money to print the card... but you know what they already SOLD us the card we should get it.... we all expected it to be there when we read the description and saw the pictures of the set.... They should do right by us and give us the card.... It really is as simple as that give us what we paid for.... Its like shipping the DVD with one episode missing.... The card set almost cost as much as a season of games and I can guarantee you it cost less for them to make this card set....
  • edited June 2010
    make a print outable card , just a jpeg that is actual size and people can print it out themselves if they want is so badly.
  • edited June 2010
    jaden551 wrote: »
    make a print outable card , just a jpeg that is actual size and people can print it out themselves if they want is so badly.

    Back
    Front - Scientist
    Front - Betrayal with dagger

    Here you go. The corners look a bit different but that can probably be shopped.
  • edited June 2010
    I'm sure Telltale are really kicking themselves for messing this up, but they should do something to make it up to the people who ordered the deck before the description was changed. They didn't get what they ordered, and that's not right.
  • edited June 2010
    I never said I wanted it it was just an idea.
  • edited June 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    Back
    Front - Scientist
    Front - Betrayal with dagger

    Here you go. The corners look a bit different but that can probably be shopped.

    Where did you find these?
  • edited June 2010
    that's nice it wouldn't match though and we should not have to print something out we already paid for.

    And yeah TTG needs to do something about it for the people who ordered before they changed the description and the picture.....
  • edited June 2010
    Where did you find these?

    Someone posted the whole deck (as seen in-game) on the forums at some point (including the cards made out of two cards). I still had them on my computer.
  • edited June 2010
    oh cool, thanks :)
  • edited June 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    When I order something, the cheapest shipping option is 17 dollars. They don't make any profit on shipping, therefore that's what they're paying as well.
    It probably involve stuff like insurance, or they have a deal with the company so they don't have to weigh everything before they can get a price. I dunno, either way it's expensive if they want to do it in a professional way.

    If they just put a card in a regular envelope, even forgetting the likelihood that it would get damaged, they still have to pay people to do that.

    Not to mention they'd have to actually print the cards first, which is apparently a long, complicated process, and I'm sure would cost a bunch of money.

    I don't know, I can see them maaybe accepting returns for unopened decks (if you pay shipping), but even that sounds like a stretch to me.

    I think by law (at least in the UK, and i'm sure the US too) they have to accept returns for these items. They aren't as described, making it false advertising. To liken it to something else, it's like MCDonalds saying their fries have all the nutritional value of an apple. Whilst they probably share some nutrition, they don't have all (far from it). Yes it's an extreme example, but it's still true.

    They should have informed people of the changes before the order was shipped, to enquire whether they wanted to continue. Like Amazons pre-order sevice (they don't take money until they ship, and if there is a change in price, they need your confirmation again before charging&shipping)
  • edited June 2010
    They really should offer a refund or if people want to keep the cards either ship at least the Scientist card because it was pictured as part of the set... or offer an alternative like a free game download or something.. At least for those that ordered before they edit their description...

    I honestly think they will do something I have faith that TTG will not burn loyal fans and customers.
  • edited June 2010
    I'm not really that upset about it. It seems to me that Telltale made an honest mistake and one that is probably too expensive to correct. Oh well.

    I suppose what they could do is create a second series of all new cards at some point and include the missing Scientist card in that set. Or something. I don't know.
  • edited June 2010
    I'm not really that upset about it. It seems to me that Telltale made an honest mistake and one that is probably too expensive to correct. Oh well.

    To be clear, I absolutely agree that it was an honest mistake. But that doesn't take away their obligation to make it right.
  • edited June 2010
    They could probably fix it if they REALLY wanted too.

    They could for example add the scientist card to future decks, but also get enough scientist cards on their own without deck to cover all existing orders and add a flag to all the accounts that got/will get the scientist-less version then when they next order physical goods (eg not a download on its own) they can slip the card in with it.

    Don't get me wrong I'm not hugely upset by it. I do like the scientist card and think given the description and picture of it its a bit wrong for it to not be included and I'd like to see telltale add it to the deck and get the extra card to everyone who missed out, but at the same time I'm not like OMG sue them false advertising it ruined the set etc.
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