They could pretty easily make new main character for a season 2; maybe even Lee's wife in Virginia.
Still, I'm not convinced Lee is doomed, and I honestly think Clementine is more vulnerable than people think. I recall the head designers on 'playing dead' explicitly saying that they wanted to do things that would upset the audience. (And not in a 'extended release date/my saves aren't carrying over' kind of way)
Considering how much of a cult following she has, that's a pretty tempting target for shock, outrage, and sorrow.
That said, if they did kill off Clementine I don't see Lee appearing for a season 2, regardless.
The problem with trying to shock or upset the audience with killing Clementine... I don't think there's anybody that doesn't expect it, either from Walkers, another survivor, or even just an ordinary everyday accident. There's no real way to make it a surprise (as opposed to the case of Larry) because we're expecting that things for Lee or Clem (possibly both) can/will end horribly.
Hell, the way the game's been going, I wouldn't be surprised if it gave us a "choice" to have Lee sacrifice himself for Clem, or sacrificing Clem by kicking her into a horde of Walkers or something only for both of them to end up getting eaten or otherwise killed off shortly afterwards regardless of the option you pick.
Anywho, on topic, if Lilly does leave and Lee's on good terms with her; I think that's the time for him to step up and become the leader of the group. Either by Lilly suggesting/appointing Lee to take over in her stead, or simply by having him seize the position.
ya that'd be a serious twister tho
I *want* to like Kenny, but he doesnt play well with others- so despite what I know about Lily, Im going to keep backing her in this Kenny vs Lily war.
Hey if I get stuck at the dock, I'll teach Clem the doggy paddle or something, but I wont back someone who threatens to go home and take his toys with him just cause he cant get his way all the time.
ya that'd be a serious twister tho
I *want* to like Kenny, but he doesnt play well with others- so despite what I know about Lily, Im going to keep backing her in this Kenny vs Lily war.
Hey if I get stuck at the dock, I'll teach Clem the doggy paddle or something, but I wont back someone who threatens to go home and take his toys with him just cause he cant get his way all the time.
Realistically, I see his "get my boat plan" resulting in the deaths of everyone involved, which is why I don't feel a need to get on Kenny's good side. Hint, coastal areas in the U.S. account for less than a fifth of the land, but for over half the population of the country (and those people are almost certainly Walkers now, so...) he wants to head to the densely populated coast? Bon voyage.
Lilly will leave soon, before season 1 is over. I have a feeling that she will not get on good terms with Kenny and quietly sneaks away from the group.
I don't think Lilly will leave the group. If the group comes across Woodbury (I know a little about it but I haven't read the comic to avoid spoiling when watching the TV show this season) they might try to stay there to make a new start before realizing how screwed up the place actually is and their leader.
There would a quite story to tell right there with them possibly forcing us later to assault the prison with them by holding the kids hostage. We probably won't run into Rick but Glenn for sure. It would be exciting and sad knowing what Lilly does in there and most of all, the group trying to escape afterwards neck deep in zombies.
I doubt we will have Lilly for the duration of the game, either, because
there is a chapter titled "The Marsh House". We will probably leave Lilly behind in Woodbury and make our way up to Savannah to try to find Clem's parents.
fun fact Devs have said Clementines last name isnt Marsh so what is the Marsh house?
It's the house in which Clem's parents were staying in Savannah. The note on the fridge in her house gives the name "Marsh" and a Savannah area-code phone number. If it is a friends house, or some sort of hotel I am not quite sure.
It's the house in which Clem's parents were staying in Savannah. The note on the fridge in her house gives the name "Marsh" and a Savannah area-code phone number. If it is a friends house, or some sort of hotel I am not quite sure.
I can't get why people keep saying "Despite what I know about Lilly..." positive/negative attitude towards her. I mean seriously what does she do?
She lives in Woodbury trying to have a normal life and some sort of society. Then according to the Governor a threat present itself and they all go fighting for what they have. It's true she kills Lori and the baby but she doesn't know about the baby and she believes these people are a danger to their group. When she finds out the truth she is the one to off the Governor in the coolest way possible (something that even Michonne didn't do). Then she takes the lead and possibly gets her group to safety (or not... nobody knows... except for Kirkman).
So I don't really see what's that bad thing she does you all complain about.
P.S And besides, it's not like somebody liked Lori... Lilly actually did us readers a favour.
Still, I'm not convinced Lee is doomed, and I honestly think Clementine is more vulnerable than people think. I recall the head designers on 'playing dead' explicitly saying that they wanted to do things that would upset the audience. (And not in a 'extended release date/my saves aren't carrying over' kind of way)
THIS ^^^ is why I'm being Direct, Honest, and pragmatic with Clementine. I think they're going to have her survival in episode 5 depend totally on everything Lee taught her, maybe as a final end cutscene... I mean, they make character interaction with her such a focus, it's really likely they're going to pull something like this. Which is why I'm trying my best to make her a survivor.
I wonder if TTG knows the difference between Upset the Player and Upset the people who have been paying them money. I mean look at the ME three extended ending I havent played them all but im assuming Shepard and Tali don't get to settle down on Rannoch. and I can live with that but red blue green being practically the same. Nope
happy and satisfying are like comparing Oranges and Lemons. I want to feel good about my decisions or else it's like a choose your own adventure book called "What will horrible murder you" where all endings involve being horribly murdered.
If you want a happy ending of any kind, I'm afraid you're in the wrong franchise.
I agree. There can't be no 'real' happy ending especially with an overrun world during an zombie apocalypse, including when you die you come back as one of them. However, there has to be a payoff for the player or you will pull a Mass Effect 3 ending that only pisses everyone off.
I'm okay with sad endings like they did for Bioshock 2 which was beautifully done, bringing manly tears to my eyes. The sad part starts at 2:44. Picture the girl as Clem and father as Lee.
I'm all for game design with a satisfying ending, but I just can't picture how this could look like in TWD.
In my opinion, the whole game concept counters prevailing notions that gaming is about instant gratification concepts. The effects of your actions are long postponed and often unforeseeable; the dilemma by definition yields no satisfying choice; the psychological rewards of puzzle-solving are almost cut out of the equation; the death of your team mates inevitable; the crushing of hope the highest narrative principle.
However this game ends, how could it avoid the feeling that all was for nothing? How could there be a satisfying ending - or even two or three? Even if they make it to the boat, the rest of their lives would be boring and depressing in the extreme!
Lee cures the zombie apocalypse by creating a serum of his own design at the end of episode four*. He and Clementine find a working helicopter and learn to fly it together, blanketing America in anti-zombie spray, or "Marsh Spray," as it's called (reason for that name to be revealed later, I don't want spoilers here). Lee marries Lilly or Carley, depending on player choice. In a rare playthrough, Lee can also marry Katjaa by means I don't want to reveal yet (again, spoilers).
* If Doug is in your group to help you, the serum is developed one episode earlier.
Lee cures the zombie apocalypse by creating a serum of his own design at the end of episode four*. He and Clementine find a working helicopter and learn to fly it together, blanketing America in anti-zombie spray, or "Marsh Spray," as it's called (reason for that name to be revealed later, I don't want spoilers here). Lee marries Lilly or Carley, depending on player choice. In a rare playthrough, Lee can also marry Katjaa by means I don't want to reveal yet (again, spoilers).
* If Doug is in your group to help you, the serum is developed one episode earlier.
I'm all for game design with a satisfying ending, but I just can't picture how this could look like in TWD.
In my opinion, the whole game concept counters prevailing notions that gaming is about instant gratification concepts. The effects of your actions are long postponed and often unforeseeable; the dilemma by definition yields no satisfying choice; the psychological rewards of puzzle-solving are almost cut out of the equation; the death of your team mates inevitable; the crushing of hope the highest narrative principle.
However this game ends, how could it avoid the feeling that all was for nothing? How could there be a satisfying ending - or even two or three? Even if they make it to the boat, the rest of their lives would be boring and depressing in the extreme!
I guess that's the tricky question. Can you actually make a Walking Dead game with a satisfying ending especially knowing all the details about how bad the world is and about the infection. Regardless, I'm willing to trust TTG because I'm impressed with everything I seen so far. I'm definitely waiting patiently for episode 3 and the next tough choices they have for me and all the OMG moments they have in store.
I can't get why people keep saying "Despite what I know about Lilly..." positive/negative attitude towards her. I mean seriously what does she do?
She lives in Woodbury trying to have a normal life and some sort of society. Then according to the Governor a threat present itself and they all go fighting for what they have. It's true she kills Lori and the baby but she doesn't know about the baby and she believes these people are a danger to their group. When she finds out the truth she is the one to off the Governor in the coolest way possible (something that even Michonne didn't do). Then she takes the lead and possibly gets her group to safety (or not... nobody knows... except for Kirkman).
So I don't really see what's that bad thing she does you all complain about.
P.S And besides, it's not like somebody liked Lori... Lilly actually did us readers a favour.
Seems like i always find the threads with you Yami haha
i agree, i hated Lori too but with her death part of Rick died as well. No matter how much i disliked her, she was Rick's wife and those issues after the prison assault made me really feel for Rick, and that's why I'm not a fan of Lilly. Yes she didn't know but she still did it, that's how i feel at least
But yeah, my prediction is that Lilly is gonna leave and Kenny is gonna be in charge but he's gonna make some decisions that are gonna be really hard to follow, and you (Lee) have to choose whether to step up or not.
kaatja is on my list of who i think will be next simply so itll be
Kenny: You killed my wife!
Lilly: You killed my dad!
^^^ This!
If you side with Lilly in the meat locker and then choose to be silent,she says:
"I know,there's nothing to be said" turns head and looks at Kenny "he'll learn, wait till it happens to him"...
I hope in episode 3 there's an option for Lee to get it on with Lilly:cool: while giving Kenny the finger! Then while he stands dumbstruck and open mouthed Lee casually walks over and knees him in the balls!:mad:
That should leave him in no doubt who are the alpha male and female in this group now.
Lee cures the zombie apocalypse by creating a serum of his own design at the end of episode four*. He and Clementine find a working helicopter and learn to fly it together, blanketing America in anti-zombie spray, or "Marsh Spray," as it's called (reason for that name to be revealed later, I don't want spoilers here). Lee marries Lilly or Carley, depending on player choice. In a rare playthrough, Lee can also marry Katjaa by means I don't want to reveal yet (again, spoilers).
* If Doug is in your group to help you, the serum is developed one episode earlier.
Lol, I now want these as secret,rare,bonus or DLC endings!:p
I know how it's going to end it isn't clementine gets killed if you haven't made her a survivor. It's Clementine doesn't have the skills to save lee if you haven't taught her well
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The problem with trying to shock or upset the audience with killing Clementine... I don't think there's anybody that doesn't expect it, either from Walkers, another survivor, or even just an ordinary everyday accident. There's no real way to make it a surprise (as opposed to the case of Larry) because we're expecting that things for Lee or Clem (possibly both) can/will end horribly.
Hell, the way the game's been going, I wouldn't be surprised if it gave us a "choice" to have Lee sacrifice himself for Clem, or sacrificing Clem by kicking her into a horde of Walkers or something only for both of them to end up getting eaten or otherwise killed off shortly afterwards regardless of the option you pick.
Anywho, on topic, if Lilly does leave and Lee's on good terms with her; I think that's the time for him to step up and become the leader of the group. Either by Lilly suggesting/appointing Lee to take over in her stead, or simply by having him seize the position.
I *want* to like Kenny, but he doesnt play well with others- so despite what I know about Lily, Im going to keep backing her in this Kenny vs Lily war.
Hey if I get stuck at the dock, I'll teach Clem the doggy paddle or something, but I wont back someone who threatens to go home and take his toys with him just cause he cant get his way all the time.
Realistically, I see his "get my boat plan" resulting in the deaths of everyone involved, which is why I don't feel a need to get on Kenny's good side. Hint, coastal areas in the U.S. account for less than a fifth of the land, but for over half the population of the country (and those people are almost certainly Walkers now, so...) he wants to head to the densely populated coast? Bon voyage.
There would a quite story to tell right there with them possibly forcing us later to assault the prison with them by holding the kids hostage. We probably won't run into Rick but Glenn for sure. It would be exciting and sad knowing what Lilly does in there and most of all, the group trying to escape afterwards neck deep in zombies.
Is it mid-August yet?
I doubt we will have Lilly for the duration of the game, either, because
Call the number in real life and find out. Lol
The number wasn't given. Oh well...
So I don't really see what's that bad thing she does you all complain about.
P.S And besides, it's not like somebody liked Lori... Lilly actually did us readers a favour.
THIS ^^^ is why I'm being Direct, Honest, and pragmatic with Clementine. I think they're going to have her survival in episode 5 depend totally on everything Lee taught her, maybe as a final end cutscene... I mean, they make character interaction with her such a focus, it's really likely they're going to pull something like this. Which is why I'm trying my best to make her a survivor.
I agree. There can't be no 'real' happy ending especially with an overrun world during an zombie apocalypse, including when you die you come back as one of them. However, there has to be a payoff for the player or you will pull a Mass Effect 3 ending that only pisses everyone off.
I'm okay with sad endings like they did for Bioshock 2 which was beautifully done, bringing manly tears to my eyes. The sad part starts at 2:44. Picture the girl as Clem and father as Lee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-YrD93kKb0
In my opinion, the whole game concept counters prevailing notions that gaming is about instant gratification concepts. The effects of your actions are long postponed and often unforeseeable; the dilemma by definition yields no satisfying choice; the psychological rewards of puzzle-solving are almost cut out of the equation; the death of your team mates inevitable; the crushing of hope the highest narrative principle.
However this game ends, how could it avoid the feeling that all was for nothing? How could there be a satisfying ending - or even two or three? Even if they make it to the boat, the rest of their lives would be boring and depressing in the extreme!
* If Doug is in your group to help you, the serum is developed one episode earlier.
So cliche. Will Smith may sue. xD
Plus, Lee can't marry Doug? 'Sup wit' dat?
This is a fantastic post.
Pretty sure Doug is already married to science and truth.
"Shot the governor... escaped the zombies... now where's that damn husband of mine with his bourbon teacups?!"
Mm I like the way you think
Seems like i always find the threads with you Yami haha
But yeah, my prediction is that Lilly is gonna leave and Kenny is gonna be in charge but he's gonna make some decisions that are gonna be really hard to follow, and you (Lee) have to choose whether to step up or not.
^^^ This!
If you side with Lilly in the meat locker and then choose to be silent,she says:
"I know,there's nothing to be said" turns head and looks at Kenny "he'll learn, wait till it happens to him"...
I hope in episode 3 there's an option for Lee to get it on with Lilly:cool: while giving Kenny the finger! Then while he stands dumbstruck and open mouthed Lee casually walks over and knees him in the balls!:mad:
That should leave him in no doubt who are the alpha male and female in this group now.
Lol, I now want these as secret,rare,bonus or DLC endings!:p
He didn't say episode 4 of which season...