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Robert Kirkman really screwed up Lily in The Road to Woodbury...

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edited May 2013 in The Walking Dead
SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 3 BELOW:

I remember there being a topic on this ages ago but I really hate how Robert Kirkman completely changed Lily's backstory when Telltale had it covered in the video game. Having Lily in the video game was great after reading the comics and my favourite part of the game is in Episode 3 outside of the RV and that whole sequence, and where I realised that Lee's (my) actions led her to what she did and I
left her on the side of the road
. That was a great moment as it made me think that if the meatlocker situation was handled differently, she never would have ended up in
Woodbury and Lori and the baby from the comics could still be alive
.

I know that choices don't really matter but from what I did (sided with Kenny in the meatlocker and kind of regretted it) it all made sense. But now it's kind of messed up since in Road to Woodbury (I haven't actually read it, just seen things on the Walking Dead Wikipedia) Kirkman completely changed her backstory including her dad's name and the way he died, even though it is quite clear video game Lily is the same Lily at Woodbury. I really don't understand why Kirkman wouldn't just leave it, from the look of her backstory in Road to Woodbury, Telltale did it so much better anyway. I know it doesn't really matter too much, but things like this bother me.

Has Robert Kirkman ever talked about this? He could have still made Road to Woodbury but made it occur after she seperated from the group (I am sure there is some way he could get past the RV thing, since she would have had to abandon it anyway and either way would have ended up walking on the road), and had her mention Larry. What do you guys think about it?

Edit: Wasn't sure if this should be in the Spoiler section or not, since that is mostly discussing Episode 4 and Episode 3 did come out quite a while ago.
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  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    he was asked about it before the book came out. He didn't give an answer. I'm sure he wanted to capitalize off the game because it got popular. So he didn't say it wasn't the same Lily.
  • SickBoy2212SickBoy2212
    edited October 2012
    a book takes time to write and the sypnosis is already done first, which was most likely done before the first episode of the VG was even out yet.

    Plus, i'll trust what Kirkman wrote himself more than what's in the VG. it's not Kirkman's problem to adjust to what telltale is doing with the game, after all, he only helped with the story of the game, he didn't write it all himself.
  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    SickBoy2212 wrote: »
    a book takes time to write and the sypnosis is already done first, which was most likely done before the first episode of the VG was even out yet.

    Plus, i'll trust what Kirkman wrote himself more than what's in the VG. it's not Kirkman's problem to adjust to what telltale is doing with the game, after all, he only helped with the story of the game, he didn't write it all himself.

    Telltale didn't write the story without getting approval from Kirkman. He changed it after the game was underway. EP1 telltale was still promoting Lily as Lily from the comic. So he didn't even tell them before the game was out.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    I hate to say it, but this change keeps me from buying the book.

    I was hoping there'd be enough to tie the game to the comic... now... meh....
  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    I hate to say it, but this change keeps me from buying the book.

    I was hoping there'd be enough to tie the game to the comic... now... meh....

    I know some people that preordered it because of the game
  • SickBoy2212SickBoy2212
    edited October 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    Telltale didn't write the story without getting approval from Kirkman. He changed it after the game was underway. EP1 telltale was still promoting Lily as Lily from the comic. So he didn't even tell them before the game was out.

    maybe so, he might've changed his mind, i just don't like people using the words ''screwing up'' when referring to what Kirkman does with HIS universe.
  • LadyJLadyJ
    edited October 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    I hate to say it, but this change keeps me from buying the book.

    I was hoping there'd be enough to tie the game to the comic... now... meh....

    I read it and it was enjoyable. Seems to tie the book to the comic. At least it explains some of the things. Actually, it could go both ways. There are some things in the book that affect the characters in the game as well. Lily is obviously different but overall I think it does a good job of maintaining the universe. That's actually pretty hard to do.
  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited October 2012
    Hard to do?

    Not really. It just requires communication and coordination.
  • FoxxyFoxFoxxyFox
    edited October 2012
    Well I feel the same like Dreadmagus about the comic. Wanted to order it but now after knowing it... mehh.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited October 2012
    I don't understand how this could have happened. Books aren't written and published in weeks. The plans for this publication and the plans for Telltale's game must have coincided. Did Kirkman keep the idea for himself during those early meetings with Telltale? Did Telltale know about Kirkman's plans and still went ahead with the idea? If they both agreed and essentially knew there'd be two contradicting Lilly background stories around by the end of the year, WHY DO IT? What is the philosophy, how do they regard issues of canon?

    Fans want canon in a franchise across all media, and Telltale has always been on the forefront of making games which could be considered canon (and sometimes the original creator of the franchise even alluded to the idea that he in fact DOES consider it canon). Knowing about Kirkman's plans and still going ahead with 'their' Lilly would be, in my opinion, an un-telltale thing to do.
  • Snake LiquidSnake Liquid
    edited October 2012
    Yeah, Telltale, I think, for all intents and purposes had created Lilly in the game to be the same one in the comic. It's obvious this is true due to Lilly having the same last name in the game as the comic character and having the same background (working at the Air Force Base).

    Kirkman would have known about the fact that Telltale was using Lilly in the game, since we all knew from way back that characters such as Lilly, Glenn and Hershel from the comic were going to appear in the game. Instead he decided to write his book and use the same character with a different back story, which is extremely unfortunate.

    Also, I'm positive Lilly used to be on this Telltale page announcing the survivors that are in the game from the comic:

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/blogs/id-962

    She's not there anymore. Lilly in the game, I guess, is officially no longer the Lilly from the comic.
  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited October 2012
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    I don't understand how this could have happened. Books aren't written and published in weeks. The plans for this publication and the plans for Telltale's game must have coincided.

    This.
  • lucidity02lucidity02
    edited October 2012
    To be fair, Kirkman was quoted in one interview -- I'll try to find the link -- in which he's extremely vague about whether Lilly in the game is the same as comic Lilly. So he was playing it pretty close to the vest from the start. That said, based on the episode three achievement list (the original one), Telltale was working under the assumption that the two were one and the same. Kirkman had ample time to correct them -- I mean, it's his universe, so you think he'd look at this stuff at least somewhat closely -- and he didn't. I love his comics and I love TWD, but that was seriously not cool.
  • Snake LiquidSnake Liquid
    edited October 2012
    lucidity02 wrote: »
    To be fair, Kirkman was quoted in one interview -- I'll try to find the link -- in which he's extremely vague about whether Lilly in the game is the same as comic Lilly. So he was playing it pretty close to the vest from the start. That said, based on the episode three achievement list (the original one), Telltale was working under the assumption that the two were one and the same. Kirkman had ample time to correct them -- I mean, it's his universe, so you think he'd look at this stuff at least somewhat closely -- and he didn't. I love his comics and I love TWD, but that was seriously not cool.

    http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/08/22/the-walking-dead-9-minutes-with-robert-kirkman/

    "PSB: Speaking of the novels, I recently finished The Rise of the Governor. And I understand the next book Road to Woodbury will focus on Lili, an infamous character from the comics. Will there be any tie-in to the game? Is there any chance Lili appear in future episodes of the game, for example?

    RK: There will definitely be a character named Lili in the game. Whether or not that ends up being the same character we know and love from the comic and the upcoming novel remains to be seen. But yeah, the new novel comes out in October and I’m excited about it. The novel series, the comic series, and the video game all are intertwined in the same universe. Keeping that continuity straight is something that’s been very important to me, and yeah, we’ll definitely see them continue to connect in a lot of interesting ways moving forward."

    He cares about continuity, hmm? I haven't read the book, but it could have easily been Alice that came to Woodbury in the book, instead of Lilly. Especially since the descriptions I've read of the book say that Lilly bumps heads with how the Governor runs Woodbury, it would make more sense having it be Alice to show why she so willingly leaves the town with Rick, Glenn and Michonne. Oh well I guess. It doesn't matter now.
  • MotordeadMotordead
    edited October 2012
    Its like telling George Lucas to not include something in his movies. He has the right to change whatever he wants in the story and in his universe. And like the mod said it takes months, maybe even years to write a good novel. You can't make base everything off of Telltales game, they did not create the walking dead universe.
  • lucidity02lucidity02
    edited October 2012
    Motordead wrote: »
    Its like telling George Lucas to not include something in his movies. He has the right to change whatever he wants in the story and in his universe. And like the mod said it takes months, maybe even years to write a good novel. You can't make base everything off of Telltales game, they did not create the walking dead universe.

    Sure, of course he has the right. But what I'm saying is that he should have at least given Telltale a heads up. Shit, they could have just changed the character's *name*, thus avoiding all of this confusion and potential continuity problems. It's not his responsibility, sure, but like I said, I think that TT was working under the assumption that she was the same character. If he had just given them a heads up early in the process, maybe everyone could have avoided the delayed release of episode three.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited October 2012
    Snake Liquid wrote: »
    RK: There will definitely be a character named Lili in the game. Whether or not that ends up being the same character we know and love from the comic and the upcoming novel remains to be seen.

    I read that too. It's an interview from August - four months after the game Season had started. The game was advertised with Lilly as being "from the comics" in some way, but I'm not sure in what way exactly, and I have trouble digging it out right now. I do know that there was at least one allusion in her game character description which stated something like "will play a crucial role in Rick's life" or something. So Lilly Caul was always MEANT to be the girl who
    shoots Rick's wife and her baby in the blink of an eye
    by the Telltale designers.
  • lucidity02lucidity02
    edited October 2012
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    I read that too. It's an interview from August - four months after the game Season had started. The game was advertised with Lilly as being "from the comics" in some way, but I'm not sure in what way exactly, and I have trouble digging it out right now. I do know that there was at least one allusion in her game character description which stated something like "will play a crucial role in Rick's life" or something. So Lilly Caul was always MEANT to be the girl who
    shoots Rick's wife and her baby in the blink of an eye
    by the Telltale designers.

    I believe it was on a Telltale Games official page but has since been taken down. Here's a link to a thread that mentions it:

    https://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32745&page=13
  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited October 2012
    I kind of equally blame both. Kirkman for not putting in the effort to make it cannon and TT for using a comic book character and protagonist from a fucking novel as a major character. They should have done what they did with Glenn. That was the best way to approach it I believe.
  • lucidity02lucidity02
    edited October 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    I kind of equally blame both. Kirkman for not putting in the effort to make it cannon and TT for using a comic book character and protagonist for a fucking novel as a major character. They should have done what they did with Glenn. That was the best way to approach it I believe.

    Yeah, I see your point. Like I mentioned above, Telltale could have just named the character Sylvia or Edna or whatever and there wouldn't be any confusion about what was canon and what wasn't -- or they could have just had Lilly show up, chat a little bit in episode one and then bounce.

    That said, novels take a long time to write, and I feel like there was ample time for Kirkman to step in and send an email that said "Sup, fools? Hey, Lilly in the novel is totally different from the character you've created. Want me to add a little throwaway line into the novel that says that prior events have turned her into a timid character totally unlike the one you're depicting in your game? Cool. I'll do that."

    That's an oversimplification, maybe, and Kirkman DOES own the universe, but it would have been a cool thing for him to do. I'm a little surprised he didn't.
  • godzilla999666godzilla999666
    edited October 2012
    Did it ever occur to you that maybe it was telltale that went away from what kirkman came up with? Maybe kirkman told them the name of lily and a little of the story, and they went off on thier own and created more backstory, her attitude without even discussing it with kirkman. I believe kirkman had the novel idea, and who lily was and her backstory mapped out in his head before this game ever came out or was thought of.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited October 2012
    It is stated in the "Playing Dead" videos that Kirkman had the final say concerning story developments in the game. They've run their ideas by him. The idea that the author of the comic series did not know that Telltale was working on something he himself wanted to detail in his world is hardly possible.

    Somehow I don't believe that Kirkman would assassinate Telltale by quickdrawing this novel though - heck, it's in his definite interest that people like the game and that it is a worthy addition to his franchise!
  • Ja1862Ja1862
    edited October 2012
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    It is stated in the "Playing Dead" videos that Kirkman had the final say concerning story developments in the game. They've run their ideas by him. The idea that the author of the comic series did not know that Telltale was working on something he himself wanted to detail in his world is hardly possible.

    Somehow I don't believe that Kirkman would assassinate Telltale by quickdrawing this novel though - heck, it's in his definite interest that people like the game and that it is a worthy addition to his franchise!



    This.
    I'm sure telltale did something to piss the big cheese of, thus making him go behind their backs to do his own thing. As we have already seen telltale doesn't have the stuff together and communication is not their strong point.
  • KMattKMatt
    edited October 2012
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    It is stated in the "Playing Dead" videos that Kirkman had the final say concerning story developments in the game. They've run their ideas by him. The idea that the author of the comic series did not know that Telltale was working on something he himself wanted to detail in his world is hardly possible.

    Somehow I don't believe that Kirkman would assassinate Telltale by quickdrawing this novel though - heck, it's in his definite interest that people like the game and that it is a worthy addition to his franchise!


    As mentioned above, Kirkman had final say on story development (it is his franchise after all). So he will have known what TT had in store for Lilly and he would have signed off on it. To then go ahead and create another backstory for Lilly seems a little odd to me. Both of these projects would have been in the works at similar times so either someone in the Skybound offices really screwed up, or Kirkman has decided to distance himself from the game (which would be bonkers because this game is awesome).

    We will probably never know what has gone on behind the scenes. Telltale won't be able to say ANYTHING about this publicly, and I doubt Kirkman would even bother us with an answer.

    By the way, I've read the book and its ok. Not great, just ok.
  • ZhombreZhombre
    edited October 2012
    one thing i dont understand why this bothers everyone so much. Lily was a character in 4 pages of the comic book. 4. she had like a total of 6 frames in it, although having a large impact on rick, in the big scheme of things the action itself was relevant, not the person who did it.

    Also i remember from all the talking dead interviews and interviews from the beginning that it was hinted that it was lily from the comics, not that it was in fact, THIS IS LILY. THIS IS HER ORIGIN STORY. I dont understand whats so wrong about having a second lily that exists simultaneously in the walking dead universe anyways, whats so terrible about Kirkman releasing a seperate book about his woodbury characters (including that lily)? It actually doesnt change canon of the series whatsoever, it just upsets people here because they wanted Lily from twd game to be that same character. A more likely thing that happened was it was kept in the air in development as a marketing ploy- that kirkman decided after awhile that he wanted to do her origin story and thats why it was never made concrete on telltale getting the rights to her origin story. I think its pretty cool that they had 2 main characters in the first episode and you got some brief backstory elements before rick grimes... that tell tale ultimately got to piece together with comic canon.
  • bdawgnit1785bdawgnit1785
    edited October 2012
    Zhombre wrote: »
    one thing i dont understand why this bothers everyone so much. Lily was a character in 4 pages of the comic book. 4. she had like a total of 6 frames in it, although having a large impact on rick, in the big scheme of things the action itself was relevant, not the person who did it.

    Also i remember from all the talking dead interviews and interviews from the beginning that it was hinted that it was lily from the comics, not that it was in fact, THIS IS LILY. THIS IS HER ORIGIN STORY. I dont understand whats so wrong about having a second lily that exists simultaneously in the walking dead universe anyways, whats so terrible about Kirkman releasing a seperate book about his woodbury characters (including that lily)? It actually doesnt change canon of the series whatsoever, it just upsets people here because they wanted Lily from twd game to be that same character. A more likely thing that happened was it was kept in the air in development as a marketing ploy- that kirkman decided after awhile that he wanted to do her origin story and thats why it was never made concrete on telltale getting the rights to her origin story. I think its pretty cool that they had 2 main characters in the first episode and you got some brief backstory elements before rick grimes... that tell tale ultimately got to piece together with comic canon.

    yes you are on point. does our game lilly even look like comics lily??? i mean its been a while but i recognized glenn and hershell no prob but never even thought it could be lily from the comics and i for sure know lilly/remember her and all. I think having 2 in ep 1 (glenn hershell) was enough. Now season 2 can involve maybe Dale and Tyreese. they would hype me up for the whole second season even if they exited just as happened before in ep 1. Lily is from the game and lily is from the comic...might even get a tv lily and we got a book one, some might be 1 person but easier to think theres just more than 1 lily in the ZA
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited October 2012
    Zhombre wrote: »
    one thing i dont understand why this bothers everyone so much. Lily was a character in 4 pages of the comic book. 4. she had like a total of 6 frames in it, although having a large impact on rick, in the big scheme of things the action itself was relevant, not the person who did it.

    You could ask the question both to the TWD fans, Telltale AND Kirkman. Why did Telltale pick Lilly? Exactly BECAUSE she was a minor character with a sudden lot of impact on the story. Telltale could essentially invent the character up to this crucial moment. They chose this character BECAUSE the connection to the comics would be intact without much risk of canon fractures.
    Zhombre wrote: »
    [...]it was hinted that it was lily from the comics, not that it was in fact, THIS IS LILY. THIS IS HER ORIGIN STORY. I dont understand whats so wrong about having a second lily that exists simultaneously in the walking dead universe anyways, whats so terrible about Kirkman releasing a seperate book about his woodbury characters (including that lily)? It actually doesnt change canon of the series whatsoever, it just upsets people here because they wanted Lily from twd game to be that same character.

    Lilly was advertised as having the connection to the comic books. There is no OTHER Lilly in the comic books, to my knowledge, so it was clear that both Lillys were meant to be the same. The fans' disappointment is built upon their expectation that the attempt to establish 'new canon' would last more than four months. I believe that's not a misguided expectation. No one has expected Kirkman to openly declare Telltale's game canon in his Walking Dead world, but what he does here is to dismiss the idea altogether. I think that was a mistake of his.

    The topic of 'canon' is an incredibly diverse one, and there are a lot of perspectives which I don't want to get into yet again (Back to the Future was bad enough ;) ). Just one thing which I hope everyone agrees with: In an expanding franchise or fictional world and especially across all media, fans WANT all proceedings to be coherent and non-conflicting with others so that their own perception of the narrative remains a unity.
    bdawgnit1785 wrote: »
    yes you are on point. does our game lilly even look like comics lily??? i

    IIRC, Lilly's recognizable head was shown in exactly two panels on, what, 2,000+ comic pages; and Charlie Adlard isn't a very strong artist concerning discerning facial features (in this respect, Tony Moore beat him with every inked line of his). Comic-Lilly is slim and has dark hair like Lilly Caul, that's everything the artist offers us. Also, at least one of those two panels shows her from some kind of a frog perspective for dramatic effect, which Adlard embarrassingly messed up.
  • FabrimuchFabrimuch
    edited October 2012
    Maybe now that Lilly has been confirmed to not be the one from the comics, she could make a reappearance on the videogame? Maybe for season 2?
  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited October 2012
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    You could ask the question both to the TWD fans, Telltale AND Kirkman. Why did Telltale pick Lilly? Exactly BECAUSE she was a minor character.

    She has a whole novel about her story....
  • bdawgnit1785bdawgnit1785
    edited October 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    She has a whole novel about her story....

    Not in april(proly like months before that even) when she was first picked and agreed upon by TT & Kirkman.

    The biggest thing is just why let TT use her and then write a book discrediting the games backstory. Either stupidity or just plain laziness led to the walking dead having one character in three separate mediums having 2 entirely different back stories for no real reason other than Kirkman did what he wanted and he did it after he told TT go ahead and create her backstory. :(
  • mkane24mkane24
    edited October 2012
    bdawgnit1785 wrote: »
    Not in april(proly like months before that even) when she was first picked and agreed upon by TT & Kirkman.

    The biggest thing is just why let TT use her and then write a book discrediting the games back story. Either stupidity or just plain laziness led to the walking dead having one character in three separate mediums having 2 entirely different back stories for no real reason other than Kirkman did what he wanted and he did it after he told TT go ahead and create her backstory. :(

    Kirkman has the right to change the characters how he sees fit. It's his property. I'm sure there is some sort of monitory incentive in this decisions, but when it comes down to it this his universe. If you noticed too at no point in the game does anyone ever address her by her last name.


    also how is it stupid to have different stories in diffferent mediums? If you're watching the show you'll know its nothing like the comic. So I'm failing to see how that's lazy or stupid
    Red Panda wrote: »
    She has a whole novel about her story....

    ITS NOT THE SAME LILY!
  • bdawgnit1785bdawgnit1785
    edited October 2012
    mkane24 wrote: »
    Kirkman has the right to change the characters how he sees fit. It's his property. I'm sure there is some sort of monitory incentive in this decisions, but when it comes down to it this his universe. If you noticed too at no point in the game does anyone ever address her by her last name.


    also how is it stupid to have different stories in diffferent mediums? If you're watching the show you'll know its nothing like the comic. So I'm failing to see how that's lazy or stupid



    ITS NOT THE SAME LILY!


    If it's a different Lily then it is neither stupid or lazy!!! BUT if she is indeed Lily Caul from the comics just as glenn and hershell were from the comics then it's not just stupid or lazy but somewhat insulting. I had this book come thru amazon but sent it back before it was ever opened and I sure others have done the same or not bothered to look at it at all.

    My main point wasn't that Kirkman isn't allowed to do this it's just WHY??

    To be 100% honest tho I don't consider the books to be cannon to the comics/ show/ or game. The books are nothing like the TWD universe in that alot of the show/game/comic is all about visuals and books are just words, rise of the governor never felt like TWD to me and the Lily thing just confirms my dislike for the books made by Kirkman/whoever else
  • Viner16Viner16
    edited October 2012
    Goddamnit Kirkman/TellTale... we were expecting an explanation, not more confusion...
  • magodeskymagodesky
    edited October 2012
    Well, I'm going to take a different stance here and say that I'm actually kind of glad that the video game Lilly is a different character than the comic book Lilly. I haven't read the book yet. But to me, one of the most frustrating parts of the entire game was
    not being able to kill Lilly just because she was protected by plot armor. IMO, there's no one in the whole series that deserved to die more than her. At least now, I can imagine that Lilly got devoured by walkers by the side of the road.
  • Gman5852Gman5852
    edited October 2012
    magodesky wrote: »
    Well, I'm going to take a different stance here and say that I'm actually kind of glad that the video game Lilly is a different character than the comic book Lilly. I haven't read the book yet. But to me, one of the most frustrating parts of the entire game was
    not being able to kill Lilly just because she was protected by plot armor. IMO, there's no one in the whole series that deserved to die more than her. At least now, I can imagine that Lilly got devoured by walkers by the side of the road.

    And
    I picked to let her die on the side of the road, changing my decision for the first time in the series to save her only so she could live for canon's sake(there is no way she would've lived being alone), so it's good to know I can let her die guilt free on my second playthrough
  • tonyyy123tonyyy123
    edited October 2012
    I dont think Kirkman screwed anything up, its his work and he can do as he pleases imo...but so then what happens to the video game Lilly? does she just die in the wilderness?
  • Red PandaRed Panda
    edited October 2012
    mkane24 wrote: »
    ITS NOT THE SAME LILY!

    How do you explain this then?

    http://youtu.be/xGPMqElW2nE?t=2m8s
  • MornaiMornai
    edited October 2012
    Red Panda wrote: »
    How do you explain this then?

    http://youtu.be/xGPMqElW2nE?t=2m7s

    I believe Telltale originally intended Lilly to be the same as from the comics(as seen by above video and previous ps3 trophy name) but they changed her to a different Lilly after the release of the book which provided a conflicting backstory.

    Notice how her last name is never mentioned in the game but is in the comics(or the book?). Maybe they did that as a fail-safe in case anything changed regarding her character, so they could say it was never the same Lilly to begin with.
  • Masta23Masta23
    edited October 2012
    Yeah I bought the "Road to Woodbury" this week and it really bothered me that Lilly's backstory was changed. Now it feels like it's a completely different Lilly than the game, even though it was supposed to be the same one. If they knew that Lilly would have conflicting backstories then surely Kirkman should have communicated more with Telltale and Jay Bonansinga so this didn't happen.
  • The_RipperThe_Ripper
    edited October 2012
    Don't let you being cheated.

    I tell you the story:

    Telltale introduced Lilly from the comics WITH PERMISSION OF ROBERT KIRKMAN. Robert Kirkman agreed with the story, give his own suggestions to Telltale, and was happy and all fans too. Because yes, Robert Kirkman was directly involved in the story development since the beginning.

    Now Mr. Kirkman wrote a book with the Lilly's background story and he doesn't care about he did for this game. If Kirkman does this (I don't know if this is true, I didn't read the book) there are two things:

    - Kirkman betrays not only Telltale but Skybound too, comics editors. They had a deal with Telltale.

    - Kirkman becomes George Lucas II and he only matters about money and not his story.
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