The game can never be the back story because of the "tailored" experience. For example, people would never be able to agree if Lee helped kill her father or not.
What baffles me are all the people that are saying that the game's back story for Lily is better than Kirkman's in the novel. Preposterous. It's not that Telltale's back story for Lily is better it's that it is the one that people were used to. They saw that story first and accepted it as canon. I bet if the Lily depicted in the novel was portrayed that way in the game and the game version of Lily was in the novel, fickle fucks would be saying the games back story was better, again because it's the version they have seen first. I don't know how any one can say the game is better than the comics. Firstly you can't really compare an interactive video game to a book or comic as they are complete different mediums. You compare a game to a game, a comic episode to another, etc. Secondly how the Fuck can you compare an 9 month story(because of the release delays actually would have been a 5 month story) spanning only 13 weeks in the in the ZA to a story that has been going for 8 years+ covering Rick's 18+ months in the ZA.
The game was good but to say it's story or it's characters were better than the characters or stories in the comics is utter bollocks. The Governor character alone was voted villain of the year in various magazines the year he debuted. The comic sets the standard and remains the best version of the walking dead. It's powerful because it uses still images but can still incite panic in it's audience and cause pathos. People cried when Glenn got murdered in the comics and wept over the loss of many other characters. The only character deaths in the game I was sad about were Carly's and Lee's. The game effected different people differently because of it's "tailor made" experience but the comics impacts on a larger group because we see all the characters the same way, as villains or people we want to survive.
The comic is canon and the novel's Lily is more consistent with the Lily shown in the comics if you think about it. The Lily in the game behaved nothing like the original Lily from the comics. The version of her in the game was based on Telltale's interpretation of her with their limited knowledge. They made her a fiery, bitchy, callous character because they felt she had done an evil thing in the comic, but she didn't do a wicked thing in the comic. Lily was a manipulated pawn in the Governors plan of revenge. She was tricked into killing Lori, she thought Rick's group were the bad guys. She was told along with all the other citizens of Woodbury that Rick's people were dangerous and were coming back to their town to harm them. Yes,the Governor lied to her. He manipulated her like a pawn for his revenge. He ordered her to kill Lori so she wouldn't escape and endanger their community. When Lily realised the Governor lied to her and Lori was an unarmed woman with a baby she was furious. She was in tears,hardly the reaction of the wicked.
I'm just going to consider the Lilly from the game as the ultimate canon. I recently read the book and it was trash, I'm going to just pretend it never happened.
Has anyone considered that it might be the Television version of Lily, and not comic book Lily?
Probably not. It's stated in the game itself that it's based on the comic book, and has no mention of the TV series anywhere. Is she even in the TV version? She played a relatively minor role in the comic. I think that's the main reason Telltale used her, so they could have some flexibility. If she's much more prominent in the TV show it wouldn't be a very good idea to use the character.
Probably not. It's stated in the game itself that it's based on the comic book, and has no mention of the TV series anywhere. Is she even in the TV version? She played a relatively minor role in the comic. I think that's the main reason Telltale used her, so they could have some flexibility. If she's much more prominent in the TV show it wouldn't be a very good idea to use the character.
No, I meant that book is supposed to be the "television" version of Lilly. I only bring this up because it might be a marketing tool for the Prison Arch where the TV series is at now. The cover reminds me a lot of the TV series.
No, I meant that book is supposed to be the "television" version of Lilly. I only bring this up because it might be a marketing tool for the Prison Arch where the TV series is at now. The cover reminds me a lot of the TV series.
She is rumored to be appearing on the show, so this idea isn't totally off. But it would be really weird to have one book based on the comic's canon and one book based on the TV's canon it's a bit indecisive and weird to just change up the canon your writing for(but so goes the Walking Dead universe I guess). It's up to Kirkman of what ends up being canon to what media, and honestly deciding that this novel is canon for TV Lilly might somewhat fix the situation for the people who indulge themselves on canon.
She is rumored to be appearing on the show, so this idea isn't totally off. But it would be really weird to have one book based on the comic's canon and one book based on the TV's canon it's a bit indecisive and weird to just change up the canon your writing for(but so goes the Walking Dead universe I guess). It's up to Kirkman of what ends up being canon to what media, and honestly deciding that this novel is canon for TV Lilly might somewhat fix the situation for the people who indulge themselves on canon.
I'm only assuming it, because it seems a perfect way to fix the inconsistency for the game, but we won't know anything for sure until Kirkman gives us answers. I do know that he is well aware of all of his adaptations...he just simply doesn't involve himself with the creative processes.
Either that or the game inspired him to come up with his own background for Lilly. I mean using the name Everett can't be a coincidence, can it?
I'm only assuming it, because it seems a perfect way to fix the inconsistency for the game, but we won't know anything for sure until Kirkman gives us answers. I do know that he is well aware of all of his adaptations...he just simply doesn't involve himself with the creative processes.
Either that or the game inspired him to come up with his own background for Lilly. I mean using the name Everett can't be a coincidence, can it?
Lily was supposed to be the Lily from the comics and Kirkman ok'd the story. And telltale advertised it and everything. The chapter when Lily leaves was originally called Woodbury Bound but it was changed just before the release of the episode. So Telltale was still under the impression that she was while the game was already released.
Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.
Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.
Yeah this is true, but it's pretty obvious it was intended to be the same character. It doesn't bother me too much.
Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.
That's a shame, I can't stand inconsistent writers.
a book takes time to write and the sypnosis is already done first, which was most likely done before the first episode of the VG was even out yet.
Plus, i'll trust what Kirkman wrote himself more than what's in the VG. it's not Kirkman's problem to adjust to what telltale is doing with the game, after all, he only helped with the story of the game, he didn't write it all himself.
This. I know the game is supposed to be canon, but when there's a conflict I usually stick to anything he put out 1st and everything else as supplemental.
Guys, Kirkman said in issue 106 of (something along the line of Hack Reads, Idk, leave me alone ) that the Lily in the game is not the same and the Lily in the book. I'll edit this post when I find the source again.
I'm just gonna ignore what Kirkman says about Lilly. He's a decent writer, and the comics are good but he seems like he is so far up his ass.
I can't bear people who can't understand artists reactions. I am happy that game lilly is not the comic/book-Lily
It's unfortunate that he collaborated with Telltale on the matter in the beginning but then threw them under the bus with no hesitation. Well, i suppose money is money.
It's unfortunate that he collaborated with Telltale on the matter in the beginning but then threw them under the bus with no hesitation. Well, i suppose money is money.
Both stories are good either way.
You actually liked The Road to Woodbury? Or have you not read it yet? I thought it was complete trash tbh.
I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.
I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.
I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.
I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.
I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they
left the prison arc
and has not picked up since.
Your opinion is that the argument on the road was forced. My opinion was that it fit her character in the comic to a perfect T, with what little we saw of it. Neither can be right or wrong.
It wouldn't have been too upsetting if Kirkman did not give the go ahead to include such characters in the game to begin with, then change them afterward. A simple "we're writing something new that gives this character this specific back story, so don't make her like this or etc." could have been enough. Imagine if Hershel Greene was portrayed as a 10 year old child, or Glenn was an African American bodybuilder.
I doubt they could have even used these characters without Kirkman's permission at the start.
I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they
left the prison arc
and has not picked up since.
common consensus? what is this consensus you speak of? I've read all of the comics and the Negan arc is fair from uninteresting.
common consensus? what is this consensus you speak of? I've read all of the comics and the Negan arc is fair from uninteresting.
I'm not sure, but of the times when I'm perusing general comments about it(various places), i always see people complaining that the quality has faltered since then. I still enjoy them myself, though.
Well, Kirkman must be doing something right...on 108 with no end in sight...Christ look at TT's the walking dead. that had plenty of problems and people loved it.
Well, Kirkman must be doing something right...on 108 with no end in sight...Christ look at TT's the walking dead. that had plenty of problems and people loved it.
Most of TT's problems were technical, and that kind of thing is probably a rarity for comics.
Its kirkmans story and his baby i dont think anyone has the right to say what he did or didnt do right. Go write yer own blasted storys quit bashing on the creative minds behid their storys.
Its kirkmans story and his baby i dont think anyone has the right to say what he did or didnt do right. Go write yer own blasted storys quit bashing on the creative minds behid their storys.
Nonsense. Everybody has the right - literally. It's actually in the Bill of Rights (hint, it comes before the 2nd Amendment). Beyond that, people buy the stuff - it's not given freely. The customer is always right.
Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.
Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.
Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.
One Word: Tigers.
so you've suspended belief for 107 issues and believed zombies have infested the earth, but now you have problem with a guy who owns a tiger?
Hey Comics been steadily getting better since the introduction of Negan, but Issue 108 might be the turning point of mainly grounded in realism to a bit skeptical.
Well that and the fact that the survivors are acting like medieval knights from my understanding. I really want to know the backstory there.
Maybe they just really loved medieval stuff, and secretly always wanted to have a monarchy of their own. Now that the zombie apocalypse has happened, no one can stop them from doing just that.
A full suit of medieval armor would actually be pretty cool to see in a zombie attack. No teeth are getting through that, so no worry about bites... but they could also just pile on top of you and you'd be stuck, so maybe it's not the best idea...
I thought the Road to Woodbury was a great book. I really enjoyed it and felt for the characters. People wouldn't be talking shit about Kirkman's portrayal of Lilly if Lilly wasn't in the video game to begin with. People say that the book messed up the game's story. I say it's the other way around. People don't give the book it's due credit because they have preconceived ideas of how Lilly should be because they played the game first. I enjoyed the game, love the comics and loved the novel. Telltale make fun games but Kirkman writes great stories. As good as the game was it would have been far better if the 5 episodes were written by Kirkman. The novel reads more like the comics in terms of pacing than Telltale's story did in the game.
I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.
i think Kenny and Lilly argued so much because they were similar and they could both argue forever if they wanted to, i think they even had a sort of mutual respect by the time she killed Doug/Carley (they still hated each other but a bit of respect for each other as well) because they both new that each other were trying to protect the group in their own way they just disagreed on how, whereas in the Doug/Carly situation Lilly suspected someone was actively trying to hurt the group and that sent her over the edge.
I read it and it was enjoyable. Seems to tie the book to the comic. At least it explains some of the things. Actually, it could go both ways. There are some things in the book that affect the characters in the game as well. Lily is obviously different but overall I think it does a good job of maintaining the universe. That's actually pretty hard to do.
Lilly from the game is not the Lilly in the book. Two different people.
Honestly this complete B.S on Kirkman's part if we take their word on how they consulted to each other during the development of the story . Kirkman really ***** TT and the whole being canon to the Walking dead comic universe claim . And I don't care if your the creator of the I.P you don't go back on your word make your own canon if you already agreed upon one just because you feel like it . Honestly I'm gonna ignore the novels canon until stated otherwise in this game (cause I feel like it ).
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The game was good but to say it's story or it's characters were better than the characters or stories in the comics is utter bollocks. The Governor character alone was voted villain of the year in various magazines the year he debuted. The comic sets the standard and remains the best version of the walking dead. It's powerful because it uses still images but can still incite panic in it's audience and cause pathos. People cried when Glenn got murdered in the comics and wept over the loss of many other characters. The only character deaths in the game I was sad about were Carly's and Lee's. The game effected different people differently because of it's "tailor made" experience but the comics impacts on a larger group because we see all the characters the same way, as villains or people we want to survive.
The comic is canon and the novel's Lily is more consistent with the Lily shown in the comics if you think about it. The Lily in the game behaved nothing like the original Lily from the comics. The version of her in the game was based on Telltale's interpretation of her with their limited knowledge. They made her a fiery, bitchy, callous character because they felt she had done an evil thing in the comic, but she didn't do a wicked thing in the comic. Lily was a manipulated pawn in the Governors plan of revenge. She was tricked into killing Lori, she thought Rick's group were the bad guys. She was told along with all the other citizens of Woodbury that Rick's people were dangerous and were coming back to their town to harm them. Yes,the Governor lied to her. He manipulated her like a pawn for his revenge. He ordered her to kill Lori so she wouldn't escape and endanger their community. When Lily realised the Governor lied to her and Lori was an unarmed woman with a baby she was furious. She was in tears,hardly the reaction of the wicked.
Probably not. It's stated in the game itself that it's based on the comic book, and has no mention of the TV series anywhere. Is she even in the TV version? She played a relatively minor role in the comic. I think that's the main reason Telltale used her, so they could have some flexibility. If she's much more prominent in the TV show it wouldn't be a very good idea to use the character.
No, I meant that book is supposed to be the "television" version of Lilly. I only bring this up because it might be a marketing tool for the Prison Arch where the TV series is at now. The cover reminds me a lot of the TV series.
She is rumored to be appearing on the show, so this idea isn't totally off. But it would be really weird to have one book based on the comic's canon and one book based on the TV's canon it's a bit indecisive and weird to just change up the canon your writing for(but so goes the Walking Dead universe I guess). It's up to Kirkman of what ends up being canon to what media, and honestly deciding that this novel is canon for TV Lilly might somewhat fix the situation for the people who indulge themselves on canon.
I'm only assuming it, because it seems a perfect way to fix the inconsistency for the game, but we won't know anything for sure until Kirkman gives us answers. I do know that he is well aware of all of his adaptations...he just simply doesn't involve himself with the creative processes.
Either that or the game inspired him to come up with his own background for Lilly. I mean using the name Everett can't be a coincidence, can it?
Lily was supposed to be the Lily from the comics and Kirkman ok'd the story. And telltale advertised it and everything. The chapter when Lily leaves was originally called Woodbury Bound but it was changed just before the release of the episode. So Telltale was still under the impression that she was while the game was already released.
Yeah this is true, but it's pretty obvious it was intended to be the same character. It doesn't bother me too much.
That's a shame, I can't stand inconsistent writers.
This. I know the game is supposed to be canon, but when there's a conflict I usually stick to anything he put out 1st and everything else as supplemental.
I'm just gonna ignore what Kirkman says about Lilly. He's a decent writer, and the comics are good but he seems like he is so far up his ass.
It's unfortunate that he collaborated with Telltale on the matter in the beginning but then threw them under the bus with no hesitation. Well, i suppose money is money.
Both stories are good either way.
I have not read it, i meant both versions of Lilly's story(a part of the comics or a separate character altogether) were acceptable.
I was relieved when Telltale had to change their Lilly to a game only character since she behaved more like a video game antagonist than a character from the comics. I didn't buy her exit scene for one second. It seemed to forced and didn't seem to fit, to me. Lilly shows great restraint in holding back from killing Kenny or attempting to kill Kenny even though he has been goading her and arguing with her constantly since killing her dad and never showed any regret, remorse and even attempted to drive off at the motor inn without her but she kills Carly after one argument....Didn't buy it. Enjoyed the game on the whole but that scene was forced.
I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they
Your opinion is that the argument on the road was forced. My opinion was that it fit her character in the comic to a perfect T, with what little we saw of it. Neither can be right or wrong.
It wouldn't have been too upsetting if Kirkman did not give the go ahead to include such characters in the game to begin with, then change them afterward. A simple "we're writing something new that gives this character this specific back story, so don't make her like this or etc." could have been enough. Imagine if Hershel Greene was portrayed as a 10 year old child, or Glenn was an African American bodybuilder.
I doubt they could have even used these characters without Kirkman's permission at the start.
common consensus? what is this consensus you speak of? I've read all of the comics and the Negan arc is fair from uninteresting.
I'm not sure, but of the times when I'm perusing general comments about it(various places), i always see people complaining that the quality has faltered since then. I still enjoy them myself, though.
Most of TT's problems were technical, and that kind of thing is probably a rarity for comics.
Maybe because he want to add her in season two? It's logical.
Nonsense. Everybody has the right - literally. It's actually in the Bill of Rights (hint, it comes before the 2nd Amendment).
One Word: Tigers.
Well...Tigers DO exist in real life, you know.
so you've suspended belief for 107 issues and believed zombies have infested the earth, but now you have problem with a guy who owns a tiger?
Well that and the fact that the survivors are acting like medieval knights from my understanding. I really want to know the backstory there.
Maybe they just really loved medieval stuff, and secretly always wanted to have a monarchy of their own. Now that the zombie apocalypse has happened, no one can stop them from doing just that.
A full suit of medieval armor would actually be pretty cool to see in a zombie attack. No teeth are getting through that, so no worry about bites... but they could also just pile on top of you and you'd be stuck, so maybe it's not the best idea...
i think Kenny and Lilly argued so much because they were similar and they could both argue forever if they wanted to, i think they even had a sort of mutual respect by the time she killed Doug/Carley (they still hated each other but a bit of respect for each other as well) because they both new that each other were trying to protect the group in their own way they just disagreed on how, whereas in the Doug/Carly situation Lilly suspected someone was actively trying to hurt the group and that sent her over the edge.
Lilly from the game is not the Lilly in the book. Two different people.
But the fanbase for the comics on the comic forums are split between "WTF is this shit Tigers in an apocalypse!!" and "Tigers=Ultimate Badassery."