The disbelief/dejection that Carlos actually hit her(and really hard too) and the fear of messing up, thus risking earning Carver's [easy to get] wrath again. It's also implied that, whether due to legitimate inexperience or simply not actually paying attention to Reggie's quick explanation, she didn't actually know what she was doing there.
Great. She messes because she's afraid of messing up. That sort of indecisiveness doesn't speak well for her. And she might have trouble concentrating. Another brownie point in her favor.
Yeah I don't really hate Gabe anymore. He was just a young troubled boy who's potential character development was dashed by rewrites, a forced shipping and (debatable) character inconsistencies.
I've seen people say this a few times and aside from suddenly being described as "just playing it cool" and the Shooting Conrad thing(which is caused Season 2-esque choice priority), I don't know what their talking about.
Yeah I don't really hate Gabe anymore. He was just a young troubled boy who's potential character development was dashed by rewrites, a forced shipping and (debatable) character inconsistencies.
Yes the shoot Conrad choice where he calls you out on both choices and leaving with David despite voicing his preference towards Javi beforehand. There are probably more but those are the two that first come to mind
Again these are debatable and I can see why people think Gabe was being in character. Though the fact that some people have to question if those actions and decisions are in character at all is somewhat telling.
(debatable) character inconsistencies.
...Such as?
I've seen people say this a few times and aside from suddenly being described … moreas "just playing it cool" and the Shooting Conrad thing(which is caused Season 2-esque choice priority), I don't know what their talking about.
Yes the shoot Conrad choice where he calls you out on both choices and leaving with David despite voicing his preference towards Javi before… morehand. There are probably more but those are the two that first come to mind
Again these are debatable and I can see why people think Gabe was being in character. Though the fact that some people have to question if those actions and decisions are in character at all is somewhat telling.
He never killed a walker through the entire season. What are you talking about?
He also puts/takes down David and had to fight off several walkers if Clementine and/or Javier didn't go after them, which is why he got bitten and just decided to go into the nearby alleyway to collect himself before he dies.
Gabe does, at one point, kill a walker - some time after Francine's death.
He never killed a walker through the entire season. What … moreare you talking about?
Gabe was a POS, no doubt about it, but he had far more potential to be useful.
He had 4 years of spending his life in apocalypse and he still acts like a liability. Also, as I said, he threw me under the bus for saving his stupid life. Also also, he calls you a coward for sparing Conrad's life.
Sarah was pretty damn useless.
You say she is useless right when she wanted to learn how to shoot and helped Clem cure her wound.
didn't do what she was supposed to do on the rooftop of Howes (trimming dead foliage off of plants for crying out loud) and that whole wouldn't get up and move while Luke was imploring her to do so.
You pretty much don't know what it is like to have PTSD.
Kenny - I can't stand hot-headed fools like Kenny. He may have been responsible for Walter's death. He irrationally blames Clementine in multiple scenarios for Sarita's death even though it was Sarita who panicked and got bitten. Clem was trying to help.
In which he apologised for and knew how wrong he was as it shows in NGB. Sure it doesn't make it ok, but would have been worse if he hadn't said sorry.
Anyway i do agree that they ruined his character in Season 2 making those that hate him, hate him even more.
Who I hate most
Season one:
~~Hate: the St. Johns, all three of them, for luring people in with southern hospitality and then betraying… more them for meat.
~~Larry for being an jerk to Lee. Had it been up to me, I would not have risked my life to find meds for that asshole.
Dislike: Lily - for getting all paranoid and falling apart. For killing Carley.
Duck - for essentially getting Shawn killed through his carelessness. Noise attracts the walkers, you dumb dumb, you should have learned that by that point and not been fiddling with things you didn't understand.
Season Two:
Hate:
~~ Carver - for obvious reasons.
~~ Kenny - I can't stand hot-headed fools like Kenny. He may have been responsible for Walter's death. He irrationally blames Clementine in multiple scenarios for Sarita's death even though it was Sarita who panicked and got bitten. Clem was trying to help. He was clearly losing his mind and endangering … [view original content]
I thought Kenny was sometimes irritating in season one but I didn't hate him, but boy did I want to get away from him in season two. I agree, they ruined his character. Too bad psychiatrists and psychologists didn't survive in the Zombie apocalypse. So many people would have benefitted from treatment and therapy. Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD.
Kenny - I can't stand hot-headed fools like Kenny. He may have been responsible for Walter's death. He irrationally blames Clementine in mul… moretiple scenarios for Sarita's death even though it was Sarita who panicked and got bitten. Clem was trying to help.
In which he apologised for and knew how wrong he was as it shows in NGB. Sure it doesn't make it ok, but would have been worse if he hadn't said sorry.
Anyway i do agree that they ruined his character in Season 2 making those that hate him, hate him even more.
Admittedly, while I was generally neutral on him up until a couple of months ago, I honestly didn't care much for his presence in Season 2 proper even back then.
Kenny - I can't stand hot-headed fools like Kenny. He may have been responsible for Walter's death. He irrationally blames Clementine in mul… moretiple scenarios for Sarita's death even though it was Sarita who panicked and got bitten. Clem was trying to help.
In which he apologised for and knew how wrong he was as it shows in NGB. Sure it doesn't make it ok, but would have been worse if he hadn't said sorry.
Anyway i do agree that they ruined his character in Season 2 making those that hate him, hate him even more.
The way i see it is, put yourself in Kenny's shoes in Season 2 which may help people understand more about the way he was:
He was happily surviving in the ski lodge with a new girlfriend who effectively saved his life when she found him holed up in a restaurant, then the cabin crew gang show up and are indirectly the cause for him and Sarita being captured, he's hostile in the truck towards the group because he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know. Kenny always goes off on one with people when he's angry or scared but never means it and most of the time he apologises and calms down. I also think getting an eye bashed in and having to struggle seeing things through one eye must have been frustrating which is another reason for his anger in the latter part of S2, then then stress of dealing with surviving out in the cold blizzard that was happening, finding the newborn baby somewhere safe.
I know the whole group contributed but at the same time, you can understand why from Kenny's POV, things were more frustrating for him given how things turned out and also losing Sarita set him off on a bad road again like when his family died. Everyone deals with grief differently.
Just giving you my view as to how i understand his S2 character. They were originally going to have Kenny as the antagonist but im so glad they didn't do that because that really would have made his character a million times worse
I thought Kenny was sometimes irritating in season one but I didn't hate him, but boy did I want to get away from him in season two. I agree… more, they ruined his character. Too bad psychiatrists and psychologists didn't survive in the Zombie apocalypse. So many people would have benefitted from treatment and therapy. Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD.
Admittedly, while I was generally neutral on him up until a couple of months ago, I honestly didn't care much for his presence in Season 2 proper even back then.
She was trying to "rescue" Clementine when she had a chance to kind of replace her daughter. She was like a 0.5v of Stranger or foreshadowing of Stranger to come. I think the developers were thinking of designing Stranger at that part of the game when they made the crazy Save Lots mother.
Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD
What's funny about this is that there is a post talking about a determinant dialogue choice for those who stole Natasha's medcine: Clementine and Jane ask Sarah for any faux-educated advice on how to use the medicine effectively and she does so with the incentive of taking a pill herself to help her feel better, asking to determinately be given another.
Cue Clementine and whoever is available having to carry her knocked out bod like a treasure chest if you complied when the herd catches up.
I thought Kenny was sometimes irritating in season one but I didn't hate him, but boy did I want to get away from him in season two. I agree… more, they ruined his character. Too bad psychiatrists and psychologists didn't survive in the Zombie apocalypse. So many people would have benefitted from treatment and therapy. Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD.
he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know.
Was he?
Just giving you my view as to how i understand his S2 character. They were originally going to have Kenny as the antagonist but im so glad they didn't do that because that really would have made his character a million times worse
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, for example.
The way i see it is, put yourself in Kenny's shoes in Season 2 which may help people understand more about the way he was:
He was happily… more surviving in the ski lodge with a new girlfriend who effectively saved his life when she found him holed up in a restaurant, then the cabin crew gang show up and are indirectly the cause for him and Sarita being captured, he's hostile in the truck towards the group because he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know. Kenny always goes off on one with people when he's angry or scared but never means it and most of the time he apologises and calms down. I also think getting an eye bashed in and having to struggle seeing things through one eye must have been frustrating which is another reason for his anger in the latter part of S2, then then stress of dealing with surviving out in the cold blizzard that was happening, finding the newborn baby somewhere safe.
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He killed Larry out of fear. Being a prisoner back then was naturally also terrifying as they were due to be food. With Carver, heading to his camp, not knowing what awaited him ahead, you damn right he was scared! Who wouldn't be? Just because he didn't go "oh god oh god we have to get out of here, shit shit shit" type panicking way doesn't mean he wasn't scared. In fact i think most of Kenny's hostile actions are out of fear. He's a cowardly character at times
he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know.
Was he?
Just giving you my view as to how i unders… moretand his S2 character. They were originally going to have Kenny as the antagonist but im so glad they didn't do that because that really would have made his character a million times worse
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, for example.
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, for example
Not really. Not for me. I wouldn't buy into that at all. For the man we knew Kenny as especially for those that got the alleyway Ben scene to change so dramatically to want to kidnap a bunch of people who ran from him or to be willing to slap Clementine (you know a child that he was shown to always put the kids first in season 1?) or to force Carlos to slap his daughter for enjoyment just because she was talking out of line? I think the majority of fans and neutrals wouldn't have liked Kenny to have been what Carver was.
It would have to create a masterclass story for me to think it was believable
he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know.
Was he?
Just giving you my view as to how i unders… moretand his S2 character. They were originally going to have Kenny as the antagonist but im so glad they didn't do that because that really would have made his character a million times worse
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, for example.
Well, I was specifically positively neutral as in i thought he was a good enough character, just not one that I found particularly interesting. In fact, as I recently noted, Kenny's about as "complex" as an arithmetic problem, since he's just your typical family man except that he's a redneck that married a Belgian that tried and eventually failed to protect them in a zombie apocalypse.
As for what's changed, I think that can be summed up by saying I just got sick of him. His purpose for existing was to be a Shadow Archetype and determinate friend of Lee and it's a role he served well ...in Season 1. When I accidentally learned he was still alive in Season 2(sometime after In Harm's Way, since he had the eyebandage already), I just kinda rolled with it; particularly since I recall being under the impression that he would act as an unorthodox mentor figure for Clementine, which sounded like an interest role for him. So as you know, I finally experienced Season 2 for myself last June and while I didn't particularly care about him much and in fact saw him as holding Clementine back from truly being her own person with her own experiences, I didn't dislike him yet.
Like, I already considered him to be bordering on unlikable by No Going Back, but I was still mostly indifferent thanks in part due to being fairly more patient than most. It was letting the Season stew in my mind over several months, having to deal with the constant occasionally derailing arguments about him on a semi-regular basis here, learning/theorizing about what could've been, and noticing just how much screentime, love, and focus was given to him by the writers compared to most of the other characters that slowly but surely edged him into official dislike territory.
And ANF really didn't help his case since it's become increasingly clear that Telltale(and many of the fans, but they're fine for the most part) can't seem to just let him go, creating characters that blatantly repeat his shtick with little in the way of adequate variation in David(another angry, somewhat abusive family man who really just serves to underline why Kenny was the more sympathetic, likable, and even tragic character--things I really don't think needed to be displayed for the umpteenth time) and especially Tripp(rural accented, crass, wise-cracking, bearded so-called best friend that is quickly derailed into the cheapest clone of Kenny yet the most unnecessarily bland character we've had, not to mention being redundant, , and damn near useless despite that). Also, his and especially Jane's second flashbacks in Thicker than Water were mostly wasted effort.
I swear, if I see him or another blatant clone in a Clementine-focused game one more fuckin time...
Was he?
He killed Larry out of fear. Being a prisoner back then was naturally also terrifying as they were due to be food. With Carv… moreer, heading to his camp, not knowing what awaited him ahead, you damn right he was scared! Who wouldn't be? Just because he didn't go "oh god oh god we have to get out of here, shit shit shit" type panicking way doesn't mean he wasn't scared. In fact i think most of Kenny's hostile actions are out of fear. He's a cowardly character at times
For those of you that dislike characters for whatever absurd ableist reasoning, please consider taking a step back to reflect on yourselves. Thank you. I need not say anymore.
Was he?
He killed Larry out of fear. Being a prisoner back then was naturally also terrifying as they were due to be food. With Carv… moreer, heading to his camp, not knowing what awaited him ahead, you damn right he was scared! Who wouldn't be? Just because he didn't go "oh god oh god we have to get out of here, shit shit shit" type panicking way doesn't mean he wasn't scared. In fact i think most of Kenny's hostile actions are out of fear. He's a cowardly character at times
Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD
… more
What's funny about this is that there is a post talking about a determinant dialogue choice for those who stole Natasha's medcine: Clementine and Jane ask Sarah for any faux-educated advice on how to use the medicine effectively and she does so with the incentive of taking a pill herself to help her feel better, asking to determinately be given another.
Cue Clementine and whoever is available having to carry her knocked out bod like a treasure chest if you complied when the herd catches up.
Not to treat you like a moron, old man, but the edit button is a thing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure some of Carver's psychopathy was added after it was decided to make him an original character. As I noted, Graysson recently confirmed the fact that the ending of All That Remains involved a sequence of Clementine fishing with Alvin and Luke and the final choice was between [one of] them and the Randalls, but this was cut fairly late in favor of just having it be between Nick and Pete to help build up Carver as a threat. Plus, Carlos slapping Sarah was probably something Pierre Shorette came up with.
I think the majority of fans and neutrals wouldn't have liked Kenny to have been what Carver was.
It would have to create a masterclass story for me to think it was believable
Fair enough. I'm just sayin that Carver being a "gray antagonist" would've worked if it was Kenny as originally planned, since Carver himself was obviously evil and pastiche right off the bat that I almost question why people were so hyped about.
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, fo… morer example
Not really. Not for me. I wouldn't buy into that at all. For the man we knew Kenny as especially for those that got the alleyway Ben scene to change so dramatically to want to kidnap a bunch of people who ran from him or to be willing to slap Clementine (you know a child that he was shown to always put the kids first in season 1?) or to force Carlos to slap his daughter for enjoyment just because she was talking out of line? I think the majority of fans and neutrals wouldn't have liked Kenny to have been what Carver was.
It would have to create a masterclass story for me to think it was believable
For those of you that dislike characters for whatever absurd ableist reasoning, please consider taking a step back to reflect on yourselves. Thank you. I need not say anymore.
For those of you that dislike characters for whatever absurd ableist reasoning, please consider taking a step back to reflect on yourselves. Thank you. I need not say anymore.
Is there a problem? I do not mean to sound rude, but I am puzzled to what your message is supposed to imply? I'm simply expressing my concern with the amount of ableist comments I see within a single thread when really that should not be the case. I won't name names for fear of causing a stir, but I'm certain they know who they are. I find it incredibly unpleasant, and do happen to take it very personally, so I'm sorry if my comment deems an issue.
Is there a problem? I do not mean to sound rude, but I am puzzled to what your message is supposed to imply? I'm simply expressing my concer… moren with the amount of ableist comments I see within a single thread when really that should not be the case. I won't name names for fear of causing a stir, but I'm certain they know who they are. I find it incredibly unpleasant, and do happen to take it very personally, so I'm sorry if my comment deems an issue.
Yes, I do!! My apologies. My computer doesn't read 'ableist' as a word for some reason, but I hope you understood what I meant anyhow. I'll try and edit my original comment, because it only works when I copy and paste the word. Sorry for the inconvenience; I should have spotted that sooner... I feel like a fool now.
Yes, I do!! My apologies. My computer doesn't read 'ableist' as a word for some reason, but I hope you understood what I meant anyhow. I'll … moretry and edit my original comment, because it only works when I copy and paste the word. Sorry for the inconvenience; I should have spotted that sooner... I feel like a fool now.
While I strongly abhor Nate, I felt he was a fantastic antagonist. I think it's important that one is able to differentiate between the writing of a character and the way they as a player perceive them.
I never said he gets a free pass. I'm giving insight to his reasons/actions. And i am someone who shows forgiveness depending on the situation. Otherwise i just agree with something if it is what i would also do in the same position, that's all
Whether you like him or him, you cannot deny the fact Tripp was given way more screentime than was necessary. I do not abhor him as such, but think that was indisputably the case with his character.
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ok. I thought it might have been a reference to that obscure b horror movie about the couple who get trapped in an old apartment building. lol
Understandable.
Great. She messes because she's afraid of messing up. That sort of indecisiveness doesn't speak well for her. And she might have trouble concentrating. Another brownie point in her favor.
Yeah I don't really hate Gabe anymore. He was just a young troubled boy who's potential character development was dashed by rewrites, a forced shipping and (debatable) character inconsistencies.
...Such as?
I've seen people say this a few times and aside from suddenly being described as "just playing it cool" and the Shooting Conrad thing(which is caused Season 2-esque choice priority), I don't know what their talking about.
Yes the shoot Conrad choice where he calls you out on both choices and leaving with David despite voicing his preference towards Javi beforehand. There are probably more but those are the two that first come to mind
Again these are debatable and I can see why people think Gabe was being in character. Though the fact that some people have to question if those actions and decisions are in character at all is somewhat telling.
Yeah, despite the fact that I actually still like that episode, the writing and direction choices in it left quite a bit to be desired.
Jane
He also puts/takes down David and had to fight off several walkers if Clementine and/or Javier didn't go after them, which is why he got bitten and just decided to go into the nearby alleyway to collect himself before he dies.
In which he apologised for and knew how wrong he was as it shows in NGB. Sure it doesn't make it ok, but would have been worse if he hadn't said sorry.
Anyway i do agree that they ruined his character in Season 2 making those that hate him, hate him even more.
I thought Kenny was sometimes irritating in season one but I didn't hate him, but boy did I want to get away from him in season two. I agree, they ruined his character. Too bad psychiatrists and psychologists didn't survive in the Zombie apocalypse. So many people would have benefitted from treatment and therapy. Sarah could have gotten her anti-anxiety meds, or whatever it was that she needed... and everyone could have gotten treatment for PTSD.
Admittedly, while I was generally neutral on him up until a couple of months ago, I honestly didn't care much for his presence in Season 2 proper even back then.
The way i see it is, put yourself in Kenny's shoes in Season 2 which may help people understand more about the way he was:
He was happily surviving in the ski lodge with a new girlfriend who effectively saved his life when she found him holed up in a restaurant, then the cabin crew gang show up and are indirectly the cause for him and Sarita being captured, he's hostile in the truck towards the group because he's scared of what is to come as he had been a prisoner before as we know. Kenny always goes off on one with people when he's angry or scared but never means it and most of the time he apologises and calms down. I also think getting an eye bashed in and having to struggle seeing things through one eye must have been frustrating which is another reason for his anger in the latter part of S2, then then stress of dealing with surviving out in the cold blizzard that was happening, finding the newborn baby somewhere safe.
I know the whole group contributed but at the same time, you can understand why from Kenny's POV, things were more frustrating for him given how things turned out and also losing Sarita set him off on a bad road again like when his family died. Everyone deals with grief differently.
Just giving you my view as to how i understand his S2 character. They were originally going to have Kenny as the antagonist but im so glad they didn't do that because that really would have made his character a million times worse
So why neutral but not now? What's changed?
Larry is like the upfront bonafide hated guy. Anybody would hate him on the first meeting of him. It's like hate at first sight.
She was trying to "rescue" Clementine when she had a chance to kind of replace her daughter. She was like a 0.5v of Stranger or foreshadowing of Stranger to come. I think the developers were thinking of designing Stranger at that part of the game when they made the crazy Save Lots mother.
That walker was like one of the most anti-climactic way to get bit by a walker.
Did you all forget that this little shit bit Lee?
What's funny about this is that there is a post talking about a determinant dialogue choice for those who stole Natasha's medcine: Clementine and Jane ask Sarah for any faux-educated advice on how to use the medicine effectively and she does so with the incentive of taking a pill herself to help her feel better, asking to determinately be given another.
Cue Clementine and whoever is available having to carry her knocked out bod like a treasure chest if you complied when the herd catches up.
Was he?
Eh, that's somewhat up for debate. It probably helps that the North Carolina Scavengers being by the river was a fairly late development, for example.
He killed Larry out of fear. Being a prisoner back then was naturally also terrifying as they were due to be food. With Carver, heading to his camp, not knowing what awaited him ahead, you damn right he was scared! Who wouldn't be? Just because he didn't go "oh god oh god we have to get out of here, shit shit shit" type panicking way doesn't mean he wasn't scared. In fact i think most of Kenny's hostile actions are out of fear. He's a cowardly character at times
Not really. Not for me. I wouldn't buy into that at all. For the man we knew Kenny as especially for those that got the alleyway Ben scene to change so dramatically to want to kidnap a bunch of people who ran from him or to be willing to slap Clementine (you know a child that he was shown to always put the kids first in season 1?) or to force Carlos to slap his daughter for enjoyment just because she was talking out of line? I think the majority of fans and neutrals wouldn't have liked Kenny to have been what Carver was.
It would have to create a masterclass story for me to think it was believable
Well, I was specifically positively neutral as in i thought he was a good enough character, just not one that I found particularly interesting. In fact, as I recently noted, Kenny's about as "complex" as an arithmetic problem, since he's just your typical family man except that he's a redneck that married a Belgian that tried and eventually failed to protect them in a zombie apocalypse.
As for what's changed, I think that can be summed up by saying I just got sick of him. His purpose for existing was to be a Shadow Archetype and determinate friend of Lee and it's a role he served well ...in Season 1. When I accidentally learned he was still alive in Season 2(sometime after In Harm's Way, since he had the eyebandage already), I just kinda rolled with it; particularly since I recall being under the impression that he would act as an unorthodox mentor figure for Clementine, which sounded like an interest role for him. So as you know, I finally experienced Season 2 for myself last June and while I didn't particularly care about him much and in fact saw him as holding Clementine back from truly being her own person with her own experiences, I didn't dislike him yet.
Like, I already considered him to be bordering on unlikable by No Going Back, but I was still mostly indifferent thanks in part due to being fairly more patient than most. It was letting the Season stew in my mind over several months, having to deal with the constant occasionally derailing arguments about him on a semi-regular basis here, learning/theorizing about what could've been, and noticing just how much screentime, love, and focus was given to him by the writers compared to most of the other characters that slowly but surely edged him into official dislike territory.
And ANF really didn't help his case since it's become increasingly clear that Telltale(and many of the fans, but they're fine for the most part) can't seem to just let him go, creating characters that blatantly repeat his shtick with little in the way of adequate variation in David(another angry, somewhat abusive family man who really just serves to underline why Kenny was the more sympathetic, likable, and even tragic character--things I really don't think needed to be displayed for the umpteenth time) and especially Tripp(rural accented, crass, wise-cracking, bearded so-called best friend that is quickly derailed into the cheapest clone of Kenny yet the most unnecessarily bland character we've had, not to mention being redundant, , and damn near useless despite that). Also, his and especially Jane's second flashbacks in Thicker than Water were mostly wasted effort.
I swear, if I see him or another blatant clone in a Clementine-focused game one more fuckin time...
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Oh, the St. John's Meat Locker! Right.
Anyway, I do know he was scared. Like you said, anyone would be.
Argh... a universally hated character I should hope.
For those of you that dislike characters for whatever absurd ableist reasoning, please consider taking a step back to reflect on yourselves. Thank you. I need not say anymore.
Just because he was scared doesn't mean he gets a free pass to be an asshole.
I didn't get that scenario... how strange.
Not to treat you like a moron, old man, but the edit button is a thing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure some of Carver's psychopathy was added after it was decided to make him an original character. As I noted, Graysson recently confirmed the fact that the ending of All That Remains involved a sequence of Clementine fishing with Alvin and Luke and the final choice was between [one of] them and the Randalls, but this was cut fairly late in favor of just having it be between Nick and Pete to help build up Carver as a threat. Plus, Carlos slapping Sarah was probably something Pierre Shorette came up with.
Fair enough. I'm just sayin that Carver being a "gray antagonist" would've worked if it was Kenny as originally planned, since Carver himself was obviously evil and pastiche right off the bat that I almost question why people were so hyped about.
Uh...what?
Is there a problem? I do not mean to sound rude, but I am puzzled to what your message is supposed to imply? I'm simply expressing my concern with the amount of ableist comments I see within a single thread when really that should not be the case. I won't name names for fear of causing a stir, but I'm certain they know who they are. I find it incredibly unpleasant, and do happen to take it very personally, so I'm sorry if my comment deems an issue.
"Ablest" meaning/speciftying...? Do you mean ableist?
Yes, I do!! My apologies. My computer doesn't read 'ableist' as a word for some reason, but I hope you understood what I meant anyhow. I'll try and edit my original comment, because it only works when I copy and paste the word. Sorry for the inconvenience; I should have spotted that sooner... I feel like a fool now.
Oh, okay. It's fine.
Sorry, once again!
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While I strongly abhor Nate, I felt he was a fantastic antagonist. I think it's important that one is able to differentiate between the writing of a character and the way they as a player perceive them.
I never said he gets a free pass. I'm giving insight to his reasons/actions. And i am someone who shows forgiveness depending on the situation. Otherwise i just agree with something if it is what i would also do in the same position, that's all
Whether you like him or him, you cannot deny the fact Tripp was given way more screentime than was necessary. I do not abhor him as such, but think that was indisputably the case with his character.