Whether you like him or him, you cannot deny the fact Tripp was given way more screentime than was necessary. I do not abhor him as such, but think that was indisputably the case with his character.
Agreed! I know she isn't very popular here, (and you are all very much entitled to your opinions but hear me out) but I feel as though Eleanor deserved more screentime. Her "betrayal" was executed so terribly, it really did feel lacklustre.
Agreed! I know she isn't very popular here, (and you are all very much entitled to your opinions but hear me out) but I feel as though Eleanor deserved more screentime. Her "betrayal" was executed so terribly, it really did feel lacklustre.
Whether you like him or him, you cannot deny the fact Tripp was given way more screentime than was necessary. I do not abhor him as such, but think that was indisputably the case with his character.
Agreed! I know she isn't very popular here, (and you are all very much entitled to your opinions but hear me out) but I feel as though Eleanor deserved more screentime. Her "betrayal" was executed so terribly, it really did feel lacklustre.
Fair enough. I'm just sayin that Carver being a "gray antagonist" would've worked if it was Kenny as originally planned, since Carver himself was obviously evil and pastiche right off the bat that I almost question why people were so hyped about.
But Kenny wasn't "evil" though that's the thing. To have a character that he was in S1 to becoming like Carver in S2 would be such a huge jump in my opinion and i think it wouldn't go down well with everyone that's all I'm saying
Not to treat you like a moron, old man, but the edit button is a thing.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure some of Carver's psychopathy was added af… moreter it was decided to make him an original character. As I noted, Graysson recently confirmed the fact that the ending of All That Remains involved a sequence of Clementine fishing with Alvin and Luke and the final choice was between [one of] them and the Randalls, but this was cut fairly late in favor of just having it be between Nick and Pete to help build up Carver as a threat. Plus, Carlos slapping Sarah was probably something Pierre Shorette came up with.
I think the majority of fans and neutrals wouldn't have liked Kenny to have been what Carver was.
It would have to create a masterclass story for me to think it was believable
Fair enough. I'm just sayin that Carver being a "gray antagonist" would've worked if it was Kenny as originally planned, since Carver himself was obviously ev… [view original content]
But Kenny wasn't "evil" though that's the thing. To have a character that he was in S1 to becoming like Carver in S2 would be such a huge jump in my opinion and i think it wouldn't go down well with everyone that's all I'm saying
Carver apparently wasn't supposed to be either, but we know what a crock of shit that notion was. I can sorta see Kenny going in the vague territory of what they supposedly intended, but really it would ultimately come down to good writing to make the significant shift feel organic and believable.
Fair enough. I'm just sayin that Carver being a "gray antagonist" would've worked if it was Kenny as originally planned, since Carver himsel… moref was obviously evil and pastiche right off the bat that I almost question why people were so hyped about.
But Kenny wasn't "evil" though that's the thing. To have a character that he was in S1 to becoming like Carver in S2 would be such a huge jump in my opinion and i think it wouldn't go down well with everyone that's all I'm saying
Carver apparently wasn't supposed to be either, but we know what a crock of shit that notion was. I can sorta see Kenny going in the vague territory of what they supposedly intended, but really it would ultimately come down to good writing to make the significant shift feel organic and believable.
To be honest I wouldn't even call Carver evil to be fair. The thing with me is, the term "evil" for would be to describe people like Hitler or Saddam Hussein, or in fantasy land, Negan as these people enjoyed seeing people getting killed, millions in Hitler and Saddam's case. Saddam i hear used to lower people down into boiling water very slowly as way or torture for their crimes. I just can't label Kenny as someone evil like that. Carver did disgusting things with no remorse but he had a system he was trying to make work. He was just a psychopath with his methods though. I think evil is too strong a word.
You get what I'm saying though? There are far worse people
But Kenny wasn't "evil" though that's the thing. To have a character that he was in S1 to becoming like Carver in S2 would be such a huge ju… moremp in my opinion and i think it wouldn't go down well with everyone that's all I'm saying
Carver apparently wasn't supposed to be either, but we know what a crock of shit that notion was. I can sorta see Kenny going in the vague territory of what they supposedly intended, but really it would ultimately come down to good writing to make the significant shift feel organic and believable.
Carver apparently wasn't supposed to be either, but we know what a crock of shit that notion was. I can sorta see Kenny going in the vague t… moreerritory of what they supposedly intended, but really it would ultimately come down to good writing to make the significant shift feel organic and believable.
To be honest I wouldn't even call Carver evil to be fair. The thing with me is, the term "evil" for would be to describe people like Hitler or Saddam Hussein, or in fantasy land, Negan as these people enjoyed seeing people getting killed, millions in Hitler and Saddam's case. Saddam i hear used to lower people down into boiling water very slowly as way or torture for their crimes. I just can't label Kenny as someone evil like that. Carver did disgusting things with no remorse but he had a system he was trying to make work. He was just a psychopath with his methods though. I think evil is too strong a word.
You get what I'm saying though? There are far worse people
Season One: The Stranger - He was the only protagonist without a justified reason to bat Clementine and take vengeance on the group. At least Larry's treatment of Lee was reasonable as he knew Lee was a murderer, the St. John's were cannibals but they did it for survival, the people of Crawford were totalitarians refusing to care for what they perceived to be liabilities but they did it to ensure their long-lasting survival, even Vernon's group stole the boat to ensure their survival as they never felt safe in Savannah which was being surrounded by walkers at the time, Kenny and Lilly were emotionally devastated due to their losses which resulted in rash actions but when it comes to the Strangers, his dialogue tells us that he was seeking out the group even before the events of Season 2, he wanted to kill a group solely based on what Clementine supposedly told him using her part as an observer of the drastic events that perspired as an excuse to falsely lure a child to him with lies in an attempt to force himself onto her as a father figure and he wanted to harm people he'd never even met, sure, one of his reasons for going after the group was the fact that he lost his family due to the group taking their supplies but in a post apocalyptic world were food is scarce, it was an idiotic thing to leave a working car filled with resources unattended in the open.
His actions were not driven by the will to survive but by seeking revenge even before he suffered the loss of his family due to his mistakes. I can sympathize with him but out of everyone, he has the least justification for his actions in my opinion.
Season Two: Carver, then Kenny - I was debating to myself which was worse and I wasn't going to put Kenny in because Carver is the root cause of the conflicts in Season Two, but Kenny ended up being the more antagonistic character throughout the season who ended up being the primary cause of fallout between the group.
Carver's totalitarianism is what drove away people from his community and he was filled with vengeance and likely lust to re-imprison his group, not just to regain his beloved Rebecca, who was alluded to have been forced into an intimate relationship with Carver. Being the leader of a productive community wasn't enough for him, he had to imprison every person who came across his border and went to great lengths to hunt down run-aways, it insinuates in the game that Rebecca is the primary reason for his actions but I think it's more to do with his sickening lust for power and the position of the oppressor, he makes it clear to Clementine that he thinks everyone else is below him and acts as though his actions don't have consequences. He's pretentious and likely a psychopath.
Now as for Kenny, he started off as one of my favorites in Season Two, I cried seeing him again, but even before Carver's death, I started to see Kenny as more of an antagonist. Don't get me wrong, his attitude was understandable considering he lived in solitude prior to Sarita finding him and he had suffered the loss of practically everyone he ever knew to his knowledge so his erratic and aggressive behavior was understandable. Going forward though, particularly in Episode 3, he seemed to constantly be frustrated towards Clementine for simply having a different opinion but that wasn't anything new. In Episode 4 was the real kicker, blaming Clementine for Sarita's inevitable death regardless of what she does in the situation, it's understandable to assign blame to someone when you're angry but he assigned it towards the only person who tried to help in that scenario, he wasn't even there for Sarita at that moment in time and if Sarita lived, it is clearly evident that she doesn't assign blame towards Clementine but Kenny is ignorant of that. Don't get me wrong, these are very human characteristics he portrays and it's why I love him as a complex character but it's Episode 5 that makes me hate him.
In Episode 5, he constantly incites violence, both verbal and physical towards enemy and towards his own group. He continued to express his mentality of blaming others for problems that affect himself (Beating Arvo because Luke and possibly Bonnie died), becoming a dictator when he manages to start the car as he refuses to even take into account the opinions of the group, whom by the way, were the ones who wanted to follow Arvo in the first place. He even tries to paint other characters as bad influences hypocritically. Due to his attitude and actions, he tore the group apart. It was clear that Mike and Bonnie left with Arvo out of sympathy (possibly empathy) for his situation and out of fear for Kenny, they did a shit thing, I wholeheartedly agree, but it was Kenny who motivated them to take this stance by refusing to take Arvo with them, refusing to listen to their opinions and refusing to be all around rational with the people he's meant to be surviving with. I do paint them as villains too considering that they stole all the supplies. Anyways, back to Kenny, it was during and after the fight with Jane that I disliked him as a character (I still like him for his complexity), he made accusations with no basis and incited a fight without even asking Jane what happened he just jumps to assumptions, then he attacks her as soon as she sheaths her weapon and afterwards proclaims that Jane had the ability to stop the fight had she told him that AJ was alive - which due to his past behavior and actions, I highly doubt he would've, considering he jumped to the assumption that he had died as soon as he got back from looking around the area outside. He just lost my respect and favoritism by the way he treated other characters whom he had wronged and it makes me feel disappointed that he's given a pass by some for his behavior due to those characters treating him negatively afterwards.
He’s just a moron, and I wish I had the ability to tell him that. Like, you’re going to make me feel like I can’t protect Clementine when you friggin misplaced your son in the woods? Just come at me, bro, I’m bitten anyways. Also, if you’re going to pick and choose my faults for me at least pick the things I actually did wrong. You just kept pointing out instances in which I “wronged” a character who had already wronged someone else.
400 Days: Becca
She’s a lost cause, Shel. She’s a brat with no humanity, and she gives up on her “friends” way too quickly.
Season 2: Bonnie
I didn’t mind her so much in 400 Days, although I definitely knew there was something flakey about her. She’s kind of like Ben; she just keeps effing things up and moping about it, except she’s probably way older than Ben and therefore has much less of an excuse; she doesn’t have youthful ignorance on her side.
“Wah Wah. People are dead and it’s my fault.”
Yeah, and then what do you do? You get pissed at a child for not risking her life to save your not-boyfriend, and then you leave that child to die because you want to rescue the kid who held you at gun-point.
Season 3: David
Your wife is literally cheating on you, and yet you’re the one with no loyalty. You don’t even give a shit about your brother, do you?
I read this almost a month ago, knew I was one of the people this was aimed at... have had time to think about it. And? Nope. No shame. Trying to protect Sarah would have ultimately gotten people killed. Didn't dislike her the way I did Kenny (whose actions people try to rationalize by saying he had ptsd), but definitely was not a fan. In the real world, I support providing people with disabilities with welfare assistance if they can't find work or can't make ends meet from what they make. I definitely think kids should be taken care of whether they are disabled or not, if they for whatever reason need it. This story takes place during a zombie apocalypse. Survival of the fittest and all that. Sarah contributed next to nothing. Kenny was mentally unhinged and often a threat to the group. Good riddance to Kenny. Not at all sorry about Sarah.
For those of you that dislike characters for whatever absurd ableist reasoning, please consider taking a step back to reflect on yourselves. Thank you. I need not say anymore.
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Yeah, given his screentime, he doesn't develop at all.
Agreed! I know she isn't very popular here, (and you are all very much entitled to your opinions but hear me out) but I feel as though Eleanor deserved more screentime. Her "betrayal" was executed so terribly, it really did feel lacklustre.
I agree with everything you said! They should have given most of Tripp's screentime to Eleanor because she deserved it more.
Yes, my thoughts exactly! If not, then it should have been distributed equally between them.
That would've been the most fair, yes.
Exactly.
Same. She was far more interesting on arrival, honestly.
But Kenny wasn't "evil" though that's the thing. To have a character that he was in S1 to becoming like Carver in S2 would be such a huge jump in my opinion and i think it wouldn't go down well with everyone that's all I'm saying
Carver apparently wasn't supposed to be either, but we know what a crock of shit that notion was. I can sorta see Kenny going in the vague territory of what they supposedly intended, but really it would ultimately come down to good writing to make the significant shift feel organic and believable.
To be honest I wouldn't even call Carver evil to be fair. The thing with me is, the term "evil" for would be to describe people like Hitler or Saddam Hussein, or in fantasy land, Negan as these people enjoyed seeing people getting killed, millions in Hitler and Saddam's case. Saddam i hear used to lower people down into boiling water very slowly as way or torture for their crimes. I just can't label Kenny as someone evil like that. Carver did disgusting things with no remorse but he had a system he was trying to make work. He was just a psychopath with his methods though. I think evil is too strong a word.
You get what I'm saying though? There are far worse people
Eh, if you say so.
sigh
Oh no, it was mainly just a little side quest with a funny little aftereffect that someone suggested.
Carver. His actions speak for itself.
Yep. Though his personality definitely helps too.
Personally for me:
Season One: The Stranger - He was the only protagonist without a justified reason to bat Clementine and take vengeance on the group. At least Larry's treatment of Lee was reasonable as he knew Lee was a murderer, the St. John's were cannibals but they did it for survival, the people of Crawford were totalitarians refusing to care for what they perceived to be liabilities but they did it to ensure their long-lasting survival, even Vernon's group stole the boat to ensure their survival as they never felt safe in Savannah which was being surrounded by walkers at the time, Kenny and Lilly were emotionally devastated due to their losses which resulted in rash actions but when it comes to the Strangers, his dialogue tells us that he was seeking out the group even before the events of Season 2, he wanted to kill a group solely based on what Clementine supposedly told him using her part as an observer of the drastic events that perspired as an excuse to falsely lure a child to him with lies in an attempt to force himself onto her as a father figure and he wanted to harm people he'd never even met, sure, one of his reasons for going after the group was the fact that he lost his family due to the group taking their supplies but in a post apocalyptic world were food is scarce, it was an idiotic thing to leave a working car filled with resources unattended in the open.
His actions were not driven by the will to survive but by seeking revenge even before he suffered the loss of his family due to his mistakes. I can sympathize with him but out of everyone, he has the least justification for his actions in my opinion.
Season Two: Carver, then Kenny - I was debating to myself which was worse and I wasn't going to put Kenny in because Carver is the root cause of the conflicts in Season Two, but Kenny ended up being the more antagonistic character throughout the season who ended up being the primary cause of fallout between the group.
Carver's totalitarianism is what drove away people from his community and he was filled with vengeance and likely lust to re-imprison his group, not just to regain his beloved Rebecca, who was alluded to have been forced into an intimate relationship with Carver. Being the leader of a productive community wasn't enough for him, he had to imprison every person who came across his border and went to great lengths to hunt down run-aways, it insinuates in the game that Rebecca is the primary reason for his actions but I think it's more to do with his sickening lust for power and the position of the oppressor, he makes it clear to Clementine that he thinks everyone else is below him and acts as though his actions don't have consequences. He's pretentious and likely a psychopath.
Now as for Kenny, he started off as one of my favorites in Season Two, I cried seeing him again, but even before Carver's death, I started to see Kenny as more of an antagonist. Don't get me wrong, his attitude was understandable considering he lived in solitude prior to Sarita finding him and he had suffered the loss of practically everyone he ever knew to his knowledge so his erratic and aggressive behavior was understandable. Going forward though, particularly in Episode 3, he seemed to constantly be frustrated towards Clementine for simply having a different opinion but that wasn't anything new. In Episode 4 was the real kicker, blaming Clementine for Sarita's inevitable death regardless of what she does in the situation, it's understandable to assign blame to someone when you're angry but he assigned it towards the only person who tried to help in that scenario, he wasn't even there for Sarita at that moment in time and if Sarita lived, it is clearly evident that she doesn't assign blame towards Clementine but Kenny is ignorant of that. Don't get me wrong, these are very human characteristics he portrays and it's why I love him as a complex character but it's Episode 5 that makes me hate him.
In Episode 5, he constantly incites violence, both verbal and physical towards enemy and towards his own group. He continued to express his mentality of blaming others for problems that affect himself (Beating Arvo because Luke and possibly Bonnie died), becoming a dictator when he manages to start the car as he refuses to even take into account the opinions of the group, whom by the way, were the ones who wanted to follow Arvo in the first place. He even tries to paint other characters as bad influences hypocritically. Due to his attitude and actions, he tore the group apart. It was clear that Mike and Bonnie left with Arvo out of sympathy (possibly empathy) for his situation and out of fear for Kenny, they did a shit thing, I wholeheartedly agree, but it was Kenny who motivated them to take this stance by refusing to take Arvo with them, refusing to listen to their opinions and refusing to be all around rational with the people he's meant to be surviving with. I do paint them as villains too considering that they stole all the supplies. Anyways, back to Kenny, it was during and after the fight with Jane that I disliked him as a character (I still like him for his complexity), he made accusations with no basis and incited a fight without even asking Jane what happened he just jumps to assumptions, then he attacks her as soon as she sheaths her weapon and afterwards proclaims that Jane had the ability to stop the fight had she told him that AJ was alive - which due to his past behavior and actions, I highly doubt he would've, considering he jumped to the assumption that he had died as soon as he got back from looking around the area outside. He just lost my respect and favoritism by the way he treated other characters whom he had wronged and it makes me feel disappointed that he's given a pass by some for his behavior due to those characters treating him negatively afterwards.
Season 1: The Stranger
He’s just a moron, and I wish I had the ability to tell him that. Like, you’re going to make me feel like I can’t protect Clementine when you friggin misplaced your son in the woods? Just come at me, bro, I’m bitten anyways. Also, if you’re going to pick and choose my faults for me at least pick the things I actually did wrong. You just kept pointing out instances in which I “wronged” a character who had already wronged someone else.
400 Days: Becca
She’s a lost cause, Shel. She’s a brat with no humanity, and she gives up on her “friends” way too quickly.
Season 2: Bonnie
I didn’t mind her so much in 400 Days, although I definitely knew there was something flakey about her. She’s kind of like Ben; she just keeps effing things up and moping about it, except she’s probably way older than Ben and therefore has much less of an excuse; she doesn’t have youthful ignorance on her side.
“Wah Wah. People are dead and it’s my fault.”
Yeah, and then what do you do? You get pissed at a child for not risking her life to save your not-boyfriend, and then you leave that child to die because you want to rescue the kid who held you at gun-point.
Season 3: David
Your wife is literally cheating on you, and yet you’re the one with no loyalty. You don’t even give a shit about your brother, do you?
I read this almost a month ago, knew I was one of the people this was aimed at... have had time to think about it. And? Nope. No shame. Trying to protect Sarah would have ultimately gotten people killed. Didn't dislike her the way I did Kenny (whose actions people try to rationalize by saying he had ptsd), but definitely was not a fan. In the real world, I support providing people with disabilities with welfare assistance if they can't find work or can't make ends meet from what they make. I definitely think kids should be taken care of whether they are disabled or not, if they for whatever reason need it. This story takes place during a zombie apocalypse. Survival of the fittest and all that. Sarah contributed next to nothing. Kenny was mentally unhinged and often a threat to the group. Good riddance to Kenny. Not at all sorry about Sarah.