Telling Clementine to "keep an eye on him" doesn't mean that he's not taking responsibility. Luke has to think about the group rather than o… morene person if they have any chance of surviving. He can't watch Nick 24/7 so he is asking Clem to report back to him if she notices anything with Nick. Hiding the truth from Walter about Matthew to protect Nick doesn't make him a bad friend. He's just worried that Walter would kill Nick if he found out the truth and Walter actually could let Nick die after he hears the truth so in a way Luke was right. Luke makes Nick stay behind with the group at the bridge because he's worried about him and doesn't want to put him in danger in the state he's in. Which again, in a way he was right. Nick was too emotional and killed Matthew.
The most supportive thing that we've seen Luke do is going to look for Nick. The whole group doesn't seem to care if they find Nick or not, but Luke kept bringing it up to Clem at t… [view original content]
I only recently came to terms with the fact that Lee was dead.
December 2012 "GUYS! Lee's not dead! Clementine flinched and aimed to the right before she shot, and you can hear Lee breathing for 1.5 seconds after the screen goes black! He didn't get bitten, he got cut and he just is displaying the signs of a typical infection..."
July 2013 "Huh, I would have thought we'd have heard from Dave Fennoy by now... He's still alive, though."
I only recently came to terms with the fact that Lee was dead.
* December 2012 "GUYS! Lee's not dead! Clementine flinched and aimed t… moreo the right before she shot, and you can hear Lee breathing for 1.5 seconds after the screen goes black! He didn't get bitten, he got cut and he just is displaying the signs of a typical infection..."
* July 2013 "Huh, I would have thought we'd have heard from Dave Fennoy by now... He's still alive, though."
* March 2013 "But... Shit. I MISS YOU LEE!!!"
I never out and out cried at the ending of Season 1 (at least, not like, say, Cry did in his playthrough). I did (and still do) get watery eyes, and the first time I finished I was in a funk for several days.
Also, I keep waiting for one of the characters to take Nick's rifle away. It feels like a running joke at this point.
I hoped Lee punched Kenny for that "cause your urban" comment at the farm. I wanted to scream at Clem for using an infected pocket knife to open the can of beans. One wipe isn't enough, damnit!!!!
Kenny probably was fine after meeting Sarita.. Seeing Clementine again may have brought back old memories and open old wounds. This could have triggered or retriggered Kenny's PTSD.
I hoped Lee punched Kenny for that "cause your urban" comment at the farm. I wanted to scream at Clem for using an infected pocket knife to open the can of beans. One wipe isn't enough, damnit!!!!
I guess the thing is that I've kind of been in Nick's position--not literally, because, y'know, zombies--but I relate to him and I've had friends who act the way Luke does, and honestly they're just not very supportive and kind of end up making you feel worse. I get that it's not exactly an ideal environment to focus on mental health, but when Nick just unloads on Clementine all of these personal feelings, it's because he's been bottling it up and has no one else who wants to listen. It doesn't take a lot of effort to listen and I just don't see Luke as wanting to bother with that.
Confession: The moment I saw Luke, I have to admit, I thought he was pretty attractive. I'm not a Cluker though, I swear it.
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Oh yeah and... I cried at Duck's death, even more at Katjaa's, cried at Chuck's corpse, cried at Clem crying in season one and two, cried at Kenny's "death", cried at Ben's death, cried at Lee's death (obviously), cried at Omid's death, and I cried at Kenny's reappearance... even though I never really was a Kenny fan. At least i'm a girl so it's at least sort of acceptable.
I felt like that too. While I interpreted Luke's comment to Clem as him just telling her to give him a heads-up if Nick started acting strange, I feel like he could've showed more concern for Nick. He's obviously extremely depressed and probably blames himself for the death of his mom and Pete, and Luke brushed it off like it was nothing. I really, really hate to say it, but I feel like in EP2 there was a lot of foreshadowing to Nick possibly committing, or at least attempting, suicide in a later episode. Luke says that it's not the first time Nick has felt like that, and he also said Pete was Nick's "last anchor". And then there's Sarah's.. odd gesture with the gun she found.
Some people just aren't made for dealing with emotional matters, I guess. But when they don't even make an effort to listen, it's hard for me to sympathize with them. I've have family members and a few friends who honestly don't give a shit about my problems much less my mental and emotional health, hell, some have even told me to shut up right to my face when I voiced my opinion on something I thought was hurtful.
I guess the thing is that I've kind of been in Nick's position--not literally, because, y'know, zombies--but I relate to him and I've had fr… moreiends who act the way Luke does, and honestly they're just not very supportive and kind of end up making you feel worse. I get that it's not exactly an ideal environment to focus on mental health, but when Nick just unloads on Clementine all of these personal feelings, it's because he's been bottling it up and has no one else who wants to listen. It doesn't take a lot of effort to listen and I just don't see Luke as wanting to bother with that.
How do you know that Luke didn't comfort or at least attempt to comfort Nick during the 5 day skip? Here's the two scenarios that I thought made him a good friend.
Nick scenario: We see Luke worrying about Nick and keeps bringing it up to Clem that they need to find him. Once they get to the shed, Luke enraged (as you can tell by his facial expression) kill the two walkers without hesitation. On the bridge he talks to Clem about what they should do about the two walkers that were at the same state the walkers at the shed were and seems alarmed when there were walkers surrounding them at the bridge, but when Nick was on the line, Luke killed those walkers like nothing. Did you not see Luke's facial expression when he thought Nick was dead? It shows that he does care. He helps Nick up to his feet then when Nick looks sad, Luke has a heartbroken look and gives Nick a hug. So far all I see is Luke being the best friend that he can be.
Pete scenario: Luke went out to look for Nick and Clem. He found Nick and helps Nick find Pete. After finding the body, Luke gives Nick a hug then sympathetically grabs Nick and brings him along with the group because Luke won't leave Nick behind. Luke being a good friend again.
Again, how do you know that Luke didn't console Nick during the 5 day skip? Luke telling Nick to stay behind with the group when Nick wanted to come with them to the bridge shows that he cares about him and doesn't want to put him in danger in the condition that he is in. Also Luke asked Nick if he was okay at the lodge and Nick only talked about shooting Matthew. Nick didn't talk about Pete, his mom, etc. which leads me to believe that they probably already talked about it. Finally, remember in the first episode when you accept Nick's apology and Luke started talking about what happened to Nick's mom? Nick said it was his fault and Luke said it wasn't his fault at all, it was no one's fault. After that, Nick seems relatively happy about Clem accepting his apology and was glad that Luke explained his situation to Clem. Luke was consoling Nick at the table scene so I don't know what you're talking about, Luke was very sympathetic to Nick. If Clem refuses Nick's apology, Luke begs Clem to forgive him, don't hold it against him and take it easy on him. That right there is what I consider a good friend.
I felt like that too. While I interpreted Luke's comment to Clem as him just telling her to give him a heads-up if Nick started acting stran… morege, I feel like he could've showed more concern for Nick. He's obviously extremely depressed and probably blames himself for the death of his mom and Pete, and Luke brushed it off like it was nothing. I really, really hate to say it, but I feel like in EP2 there was a lot of foreshadowing to Nick possibly committing, or at least attempting, suicide in a later episode. Luke says that it's not the first time Nick has felt like that, and he also said Pete was Nick's "last anchor". And then there's Sarah's.. odd gesture with the gun she found.
Some people just aren't made for dealing with emotional matters, I guess. But when they don't even make an effort to listen, it's hard for me to sympathize with them. I've have family members and a few friends who honestly don't give a shit about my problems much les… [view original content]
Remember the table scene in episode one where he tells Nick's story to Clem so Clem can forgive Nick? Remember when Nick blamed himself and Luke said that it wasn't his fault, he said it was no one's fault. How do you know that Luke didn't console Nick during the 5 day skip? If anything Nick was repressing his feelings. Maybe he let his feelings out to Clem in the shed because he was drunk. He didn't even want to even talk to Clem at the shed and was blocking her out at the beginning of episode 2. Have you ever thought that maybe Nick was blocking everyone out, but Pete dying and being in the shed with Clementine was sort of an epiphany to him? That blocking people out and repressing your feelings was not the way to go? Talking about your problems was better than keeping it to yourself. Remember when Pete shot the deer and Nick didn't talk to Pete for weeks? That another example of Nick repressing his feelings rather than talk about them to Pete and why he was mad that Pete killed the deer. Maybe Luke has tried to console Nick before, but Nick blocked him out until now since Luke is all he has now and vice versa.
I guess the thing is that I've kind of been in Nick's position--not literally, because, y'know, zombies--but I relate to him and I've had fr… moreiends who act the way Luke does, and honestly they're just not very supportive and kind of end up making you feel worse. I get that it's not exactly an ideal environment to focus on mental health, but when Nick just unloads on Clementine all of these personal feelings, it's because he's been bottling it up and has no one else who wants to listen. It doesn't take a lot of effort to listen and I just don't see Luke as wanting to bother with that.
I made a thread on here actually theorizing Nick's possible suicide. I'm not a fan of the idea myself but it kinda of seemed to add up to me. I didn't even take the thing with Sarah into account but you're right, that could be foreshadowing too.
Like I said, I've been in Nick's shoes and had friends like Luke and they're not people you can rely on. It's subtle, but when you've lived through that you can see the patterns and to me it seems so real that it's got to be intentional on Telltale's part. It's a big reason why I don't trust Luke, because of how he treats Nick.
I felt like that too. While I interpreted Luke's comment to Clem as him just telling her to give him a heads-up if Nick started acting stran… morege, I feel like he could've showed more concern for Nick. He's obviously extremely depressed and probably blames himself for the death of his mom and Pete, and Luke brushed it off like it was nothing. I really, really hate to say it, but I feel like in EP2 there was a lot of foreshadowing to Nick possibly committing, or at least attempting, suicide in a later episode. Luke says that it's not the first time Nick has felt like that, and he also said Pete was Nick's "last anchor". And then there's Sarah's.. odd gesture with the gun she found.
Some people just aren't made for dealing with emotional matters, I guess. But when they don't even make an effort to listen, it's hard for me to sympathize with them. I've have family members and a few friends who honestly don't give a shit about my problems much les… [view original content]
I'm not saying Luke doesn't care about Nick. I'm saying he's not a good friend. You can care about someone and not be good at supporting someone. I think Luke cares about Nick but he gets very easily frustrated with him and doesn't know how to communicate with him, so he treats him like a kid and makes decisions for him, which isn't good.
As for the 5 day skip comment: by that argument it's also possible for me to say "How do you know he didn't treat him like shit?" There's no indication of how Luke treated him during that time so it's a moot point.
How do you know that Luke didn't comfort or at least attempt to comfort Nick during the 5 day skip? Here's the two scenarios that I thought … moremade him a good friend.
Nick scenario: We see Luke worrying about Nick and keeps bringing it up to Clem that they need to find him. Once they get to the shed, Luke enraged (as you can tell by his facial expression) kill the two walkers without hesitation. On the bridge he talks to Clem about what they should do about the two walkers that were at the same state the walkers at the shed were and seems alarmed when there were walkers surrounding them at the bridge, but when Nick was on the line, Luke killed those walkers like nothing. Did you not see Luke's facial expression when he thought Nick was dead? It shows that he does care. He helps Nick up to his feet then when Nick looks sad, Luke has a heartbroken look and gives Nick a hug. So far all I see is Luke being the best friend that he can be.
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When people with depression don't talk about their feelings it's because they know they're not going to be taken seriously. This isn't to rag on Uncle Pete or Luke or anyone else but we live in a society where it's not taken seriously and I wouldn't be surprised if he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things. I got the feeling he unloaded on Clem because there's something about her that makes him feel unafraid to talk to her. Personally I'm glad to play as a sympathetic Clem but it bothers me that he'd need to resort to an 11-year-old stranger for that.
Also, in my game I went with Uncle Pete so he didn't talk to her until after the bridge. Dunno if that makes me interpretation any different or what.
Remember the table scene in episode one where he tells Nick's story to Clem so Clem can forgive Nick? Remember when Nick blamed himself and … moreLuke said that it wasn't his fault, he said it was no one's fault. How do you know that Luke didn't console Nick during the 5 day skip? If anything Nick was repressing his feelings. Maybe he let his feelings out to Clem in the shed because he was drunk. He didn't even want to even talk to Clem at the shed and was blocking her out at the beginning of episode 2. Have you ever thought that maybe Nick was blocking everyone out, but Pete dying and being in the shed with Clementine was sort of an epiphany to him? That blocking people out and repressing your feelings was not the way to go? Talking about your problems was better than keeping it to yourself. Remember when Pete shot the deer and Nick didn't talk to Pete for weeks? That another example of Nick repressing his feelings rather than talk about them to P… [view original content]
I don't know why, but each time someone says "shoot me", I cringe and start crying. I don't think any other game has fucked me up emotionally like that, and it's been a good long while since that last episode, and I still cry like a baby. Great job, Telltale. I applaud you.
Luke did save Nick so does that count as supporting someone? If you meant emotionally, are you forgetting about the table scene and even though we may not know what happened during the 5 days, we shouldn't assume that Luke didn't support Nick at all during that time skip because if he didn't then Nick probably wouldn't have made those 5 days. Very easily frustrated? When? You mean when Nick ran up and shot Matthew even though Luke, Clem, hell even Matthew was trying to reason with him. He killed an innocent person. Yeah, I think I would be frustrated with my friend too, especially if I told him to stay with the group. The only decision that Luke made for Nick was for him to stay with the group and for good reason. Nick was also the one with the gun so Luke basically gave Nick a job to protect the group. Nick wasn't in the condition to make rational choices as shown with the Matthew incident. After the incident Nick was trying to play the victim as if Matthew pointed his gun at Nick first and was about to shoot him when that was far from the truth. He was even calling Luke an asshole because Luke thought that he wasn't going to shoot.
So who hasn't been a good friend because I could argue that Nick hasn't been a good friend to Luke.
I'm not saying Luke doesn't care about Nick. I'm saying he's not a good friend. You can care about someone and not be good at supporting som… moreeone. I think Luke cares about Nick but he gets very easily frustrated with him and doesn't know how to communicate with him, so he treats him like a kid and makes decisions for him, which isn't good.
As for the 5 day skip comment: by that argument it's also possible for me to say "How do you know he didn't treat him like shit?" There's no indication of how Luke treated him during that time so it's a moot point.
If he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things then how is that Luke's fault? They're in a middle of a zombie apocalypse and Luke has enough on his plate with protecting the group from Carver while trying to find a safe place where they can lose him. Its also been shown that Luke is one of the more capable members so he has to be on a constant lookout for any danger because Rebecca's pregnant, Alvin's sort of on the chubby side, Sarah is a kid, Nick is emotionally unstable, Clem's also a kid, (even though she's a hell of a cable one, she's a kid nonetheless) and Carlos is too worried about his daughter at times and would probably put the group in danger to protect her. Luke has to step up if he's going to lead this group from Carver.
I know I've said this several times, but Luke was comforting and sympathizing with Nick in episode 1 at the dinner table. In episode 2 at the dinner table he asked him if he was okay. Luke obviously supports Nick to the best of his ability while still burdened with the responsibilities of leading the group away from Carver.
When people with depression don't talk about their feelings it's because they know they're not going to be taken seriously. This isn't to ra… moreg on Uncle Pete or Luke or anyone else but we live in a society where it's not taken seriously and I wouldn't be surprised if he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things. I got the feeling he unloaded on Clem because there's something about her that makes him feel unafraid to talk to her. Personally I'm glad to play as a sympathetic Clem but it bothers me that he'd need to resort to an 11-year-old stranger for that.
Also, in my game I went with Uncle Pete so he didn't talk to her until after the bridge. Dunno if that makes me interpretation any different or what.
I'm not trying to defend Nick's behavior. There's no excuse for him killing Matthew and there's not excuse for him calling Luke an asshole. Those are dick moves.
It's kind of a low blow to claim Nick was playing "victim" here because he wouldn't have been there unless he thought Luke and Clem were being threatened. His comment about Matt pointing a gun at him seemed to be about how Matt reacted when he had already come over. Again, not defending his actions, but considering Uncle Pete's recent death it's kind of clear that his intent was to protect Clem and Luke, not necessarily himself.
This is kind of twisting really far away from what it once was. My original argument is that Luke has used very patronizing language to refer to Nick and he's tried to lie to him and forced him into lying "for his own good". Nick has literally expressed to us that Luke pushes him in ways that make him uncomfortable and it's clear that he resents it, but he feels jealous because he wants to be like Luke, which means that he feels ashamed of the way he is now, the way he's "built". He hasn't out and out said it but he himself heavily implies that Luke doesn't understand his depression and doesn't deal with it very well.
Luke did save Nick so does that count as supporting someone? If you meant emotionally, are you forgetting about the table scene and even tho… moreugh we may not know what happened during the 5 days, we shouldn't assume that Luke didn't support Nick at all during that time skip because if he didn't then Nick probably wouldn't have made those 5 days. Very easily frustrated? When? You mean when Nick ran up and shot Matthew even though Luke, Clem, hell even Matthew was trying to reason with him. He killed an innocent person. Yeah, I think I would be frustrated with my friend too, especially if I told him to stay with the group. The only decision that Luke made for Nick was for him to stay with the group and for good reason. Nick was also the one with the gun so Luke basically gave Nick a job to protect the group. Nick wasn't in the condition to make rational choices as shown with the Matthew incident. After the incident Nick was trying to play the vict… [view original content]
I'm not a fan of the idea either seeing as I would like for Nick to survive the whole season, or at least a few more episodes, but I couldn't help but notice small implications throughout the episode that seemed to subtly hint that things would only get worse for Nick. Sarah's headshot gesture was very strange to me, I honestly can't figure out why TTG would stick that in there if it isn't foreshadowing or some sort of implication that Sarah is unstable.
Luke seems like the type of friend you'd go to to have a good time with, not to empty out your emotional issues onto. That's just the vibe I get from him.
I made a thread on here actually theorizing Nick's possible suicide. I'm not a fan of the idea myself but it kinda of seemed to add up to me… more. I didn't even take the thing with Sarah into account but you're right, that could be foreshadowing too.
Like I said, I've been in Nick's shoes and had friends like Luke and they're not people you can rely on. It's subtle, but when you've lived through that you can see the patterns and to me it seems so real that it's got to be intentional on Telltale's part. It's a big reason why I don't trust Luke, because of how he treats Nick.
Okay, I understand. You do have a point, but I don't think that's Luke's intention at all. I don't think Luke considers himself superior to Nick. I just think that he's just trying to protect Nick, but unfortunately Luke is still a kid too (or young adult, whichever) and still has a lot left to learn. I think because Luke has a moving on attitude that he forgets that Nick isn't "built" like him. Luke has good intentions, but his character is flawed by his lack of empathy.
I'm not trying to defend Nick's behavior. There's no excuse for him killing Matthew and there's not excuse for him calling Luke an asshole. … moreThose are dick moves.
It's kind of a low blow to claim Nick was playing "victim" here because he wouldn't have been there unless he thought Luke and Clem were being threatened. His comment about Matt pointing a gun at him seemed to be about how Matt reacted when he had already come over. Again, not defending his actions, but considering Uncle Pete's recent death it's kind of clear that his intent was to protect Clem and Luke, not necessarily himself.
This is kind of twisting really far away from what it once was. My original argument is that Luke has used very patronizing language to refer to Nick and he's tried to lie to him and forced him into lying "for his own good". Nick has literally expressed to us that Luke pushes him in ways that make him uncomfortable and it's clear that he resents it, but… [view original content]
I cried when Kenny came back and I also had to pause the game when Lee was walking through the walker horde with Clementine in order to build up the emotional confidence to bear what was going to happen next.
Yeah, well, Nick is determinant so we know he's probably not going to last long, unfortunately. I kind of thought maybe it was to imply Sarah just isn't aware of the horrors going on--to her maybe suicide was a foreign concept in films and books but poor Clementine has seen real people being shot, and (I think?) she knew Katjaa killed herself the same way. But it could be foreshadowing as well.
Agreed with Luke. he's not emotionally supportive. He's a friend you have fun with.
I'm not a fan of the idea either seeing as I would like for Nick to survive the whole season, or at least a few more episodes, but I couldn'… moret help but notice small implications throughout the episode that seemed to subtly hint that things would only get worse for Nick. Sarah's headshot gesture was very strange to me, I honestly can't figure out why TTG would stick that in there if it isn't foreshadowing or some sort of implication that Sarah is unstable.
Luke seems like the type of friend you'd go to to have a good time with, not to empty out your emotional issues onto. That's just the vibe I get from him.
I feel like you kind of have to be familiar with depression to understand why some of the words Luke uses and the choices he makes are hurtful to people who are struggling. It's hurtful to be called a "kid" by someone the same age as you, it's hurtful to know you're capable and to have someone say "no, you're not" and make you stay back, it's hurtful to be lied to because someone thinks you wouldn't be able to handle the truth. Luke can dole out hugs and say "Are you ok?" all he likes but he's done a lot of subconsciously toxic things that really do not help someone that's in a depressive state.
If he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things then how is that Luke's fault? They're in a middle of a zombie apocalypse … moreand Luke has enough on his plate with protecting the group from Carver while trying to find a safe place where they can lose him. Its also been shown that Luke is one of the more capable members so he has to be on a constant lookout for any danger because Rebecca's pregnant, Alvin's sort of on the chubby side, Sarah is a kid, Nick is emotionally unstable, Clem's also a kid, (even though she's a hell of a cable one, she's a kid nonetheless) and Carlos is too worried about his daughter at times and would probably put the group in danger to protect her. Luke has to step up if he's going to lead this group from Carver.
I know I've said this several times, but Luke was comforting and sympathizing with Nick in episode 1 at the dinner table. In episode 2 at the dinner table he asked him if he was okay. Luke o… [view original content]
Yeah, well, Nick is determinant so we know he's probably not going to last long, unfortunately. I kind of thought maybe it was to imply Sara… moreh just isn't aware of the horrors going on--to her maybe suicide was a foreign concept in films and books but poor Clementine has seen real people being shot, and (I think?) she knew Katjaa killed herself the same way. But it could be foreshadowing as well.
Agreed with Luke. he's not emotionally supportive. He's a friend you have fun with.
Clementine was an 11-year-old stranger he'd met for the first time. It's easy for him to be patient because she's a little girl (making him automatically more sympathetic) and he probably doesn't anticipate ever having to do this for her again. With someone like Nick he probably felt as though he was expected to listen over and over and over again and when you know someone for a long time it becomes a pattern that you might grow sick of.
I don't think he means to be that way either. We live in a society that's just not very tolerant of depression and there are a lot of people in this world like Luke. They're not bad people, but they can be subconsciously harmful.
Okay, I understand. You do have a point, but I don't think that's Luke's intention at all. I don't think Luke considers himself superior to … moreNick. I just think that he's just trying to protect Nick, but unfortunately Luke is still a kid too (or young adult, whichever) and still has a lot left to learn. I think because Luke has a moving on attitude that he forgets that Nick isn't "built" like him. Luke has good intentions, but his character is flawed by his lack of empathy.
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If Luke had let Nick go on the bridge I doubt Matthew would have been killed.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I keep myself from getting mad towards Nick because I really really want Luke to be my Lee-ish protector guy. That beautiful drawn man.
I only recently came to terms with the fact that Lee was dead.
Because your name doesn't give that away.
I accept and acknowledge that he's dead, but I can't say I've 'come to terms with it.'
Every time Clementine is in trouble I'm still shouting "LEE IS GONNA FUCK YOU UP" at my screen like the daft git I am. But then he never comes.
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I never out and out cried at the ending of Season 1 (at least, not like, say, Cry did in his playthrough). I did (and still do) get watery eyes, and the first time I finished I was in a funk for several days.
Also, I keep waiting for one of the characters to take Nick's rifle away. It feels like a running joke at this point.
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I hoped Lee punched Kenny for that "cause your urban" comment at the farm. I wanted to scream at Clem for using an infected pocket knife to open the can of beans. One wipe isn't enough, damnit!!!!
Now, now. She may be tasty...but lets not get hasty.
Welp, time to abandon thread.
Kenny probably was fine after meeting Sarita.. Seeing Clementine again may have brought back old memories and open old wounds. This could have triggered or retriggered Kenny's PTSD.
If it made sense Clem would not make it through the night because of all the bacteria the walker's have.
I thought Ben was a good guy. He was just trying too hard.
Part of me is still waiting for the game over screen whenever Lee gets bit or when Omid gets shot...
I guess the thing is that I've kind of been in Nick's position--not literally, because, y'know, zombies--but I relate to him and I've had friends who act the way Luke does, and honestly they're just not very supportive and kind of end up making you feel worse. I get that it's not exactly an ideal environment to focus on mental health, but when Nick just unloads on Clementine all of these personal feelings, it's because he's been bottling it up and has no one else who wants to listen. It doesn't take a lot of effort to listen and I just don't see Luke as wanting to bother with that.
Confession: The moment I saw Luke, I have to admit, I thought he was pretty attractive. I'm not a Cluker though, I swear it.
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Oh yeah and... I cried at Duck's death, even more at Katjaa's, cried at Chuck's corpse, cried at Clem crying in season one and two, cried at Kenny's "death", cried at Ben's death, cried at Lee's death (obviously), cried at Omid's death, and I cried at Kenny's reappearance... even though I never really was a Kenny fan. At least i'm a girl so it's at least sort of acceptable.
I restarted the game four freaking times in order to decide about who to sit with.
I felt like that too. While I interpreted Luke's comment to Clem as him just telling her to give him a heads-up if Nick started acting strange, I feel like he could've showed more concern for Nick. He's obviously extremely depressed and probably blames himself for the death of his mom and Pete, and Luke brushed it off like it was nothing. I really, really hate to say it, but I feel like in EP2 there was a lot of foreshadowing to Nick possibly committing, or at least attempting, suicide in a later episode. Luke says that it's not the first time Nick has felt like that, and he also said Pete was Nick's "last anchor". And then there's Sarah's.. odd gesture with the gun she found.
Some people just aren't made for dealing with emotional matters, I guess. But when they don't even make an effort to listen, it's hard for me to sympathize with them. I've have family members and a few friends who honestly don't give a shit about my problems much less my mental and emotional health, hell, some have even told me to shut up right to my face when I voiced my opinion on something I thought was hurtful.
How do you know that Luke didn't comfort or at least attempt to comfort Nick during the 5 day skip? Here's the two scenarios that I thought made him a good friend.
Nick scenario: We see Luke worrying about Nick and keeps bringing it up to Clem that they need to find him. Once they get to the shed, Luke enraged (as you can tell by his facial expression) kill the two walkers without hesitation. On the bridge he talks to Clem about what they should do about the two walkers that were at the same state the walkers at the shed were and seems alarmed when there were walkers surrounding them at the bridge, but when Nick was on the line, Luke killed those walkers like nothing. Did you not see Luke's facial expression when he thought Nick was dead? It shows that he does care. He helps Nick up to his feet then when Nick looks sad, Luke has a heartbroken look and gives Nick a hug. So far all I see is Luke being the best friend that he can be.
Pete scenario: Luke went out to look for Nick and Clem. He found Nick and helps Nick find Pete. After finding the body, Luke gives Nick a hug then sympathetically grabs Nick and brings him along with the group because Luke won't leave Nick behind. Luke being a good friend again.
Again, how do you know that Luke didn't console Nick during the 5 day skip? Luke telling Nick to stay behind with the group when Nick wanted to come with them to the bridge shows that he cares about him and doesn't want to put him in danger in the condition that he is in. Also Luke asked Nick if he was okay at the lodge and Nick only talked about shooting Matthew. Nick didn't talk about Pete, his mom, etc. which leads me to believe that they probably already talked about it. Finally, remember in the first episode when you accept Nick's apology and Luke started talking about what happened to Nick's mom? Nick said it was his fault and Luke said it wasn't his fault at all, it was no one's fault. After that, Nick seems relatively happy about Clem accepting his apology and was glad that Luke explained his situation to Clem. Luke was consoling Nick at the table scene so I don't know what you're talking about, Luke was very sympathetic to Nick. If Clem refuses Nick's apology, Luke begs Clem to forgive him, don't hold it against him and take it easy on him. That right there is what I consider a good friend.
Remember the table scene in episode one where he tells Nick's story to Clem so Clem can forgive Nick? Remember when Nick blamed himself and Luke said that it wasn't his fault, he said it was no one's fault. How do you know that Luke didn't console Nick during the 5 day skip? If anything Nick was repressing his feelings. Maybe he let his feelings out to Clem in the shed because he was drunk. He didn't even want to even talk to Clem at the shed and was blocking her out at the beginning of episode 2. Have you ever thought that maybe Nick was blocking everyone out, but Pete dying and being in the shed with Clementine was sort of an epiphany to him? That blocking people out and repressing your feelings was not the way to go? Talking about your problems was better than keeping it to yourself. Remember when Pete shot the deer and Nick didn't talk to Pete for weeks? That another example of Nick repressing his feelings rather than talk about them to Pete and why he was mad that Pete killed the deer. Maybe Luke has tried to console Nick before, but Nick blocked him out until now since Luke is all he has now and vice versa.
I made a thread on here actually theorizing Nick's possible suicide. I'm not a fan of the idea myself but it kinda of seemed to add up to me. I didn't even take the thing with Sarah into account but you're right, that could be foreshadowing too.
Like I said, I've been in Nick's shoes and had friends like Luke and they're not people you can rely on. It's subtle, but when you've lived through that you can see the patterns and to me it seems so real that it's got to be intentional on Telltale's part. It's a big reason why I don't trust Luke, because of how he treats Nick.
I'm not saying Luke doesn't care about Nick. I'm saying he's not a good friend. You can care about someone and not be good at supporting someone. I think Luke cares about Nick but he gets very easily frustrated with him and doesn't know how to communicate with him, so he treats him like a kid and makes decisions for him, which isn't good.
As for the 5 day skip comment: by that argument it's also possible for me to say "How do you know he didn't treat him like shit?" There's no indication of how Luke treated him during that time so it's a moot point.
When people with depression don't talk about their feelings it's because they know they're not going to be taken seriously. This isn't to rag on Uncle Pete or Luke or anyone else but we live in a society where it's not taken seriously and I wouldn't be surprised if he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things. I got the feeling he unloaded on Clem because there's something about her that makes him feel unafraid to talk to her. Personally I'm glad to play as a sympathetic Clem but it bothers me that he'd need to resort to an 11-year-old stranger for that.
Also, in my game I went with Uncle Pete so he didn't talk to her until after the bridge. Dunno if that makes me interpretation any different or what.
I don't know why, but each time someone says "shoot me", I cringe and start crying. I don't think any other game has fucked me up emotionally like that, and it's been a good long while since that last episode, and I still cry like a baby. Great job, Telltale. I applaud you.
Luke did save Nick so does that count as supporting someone? If you meant emotionally, are you forgetting about the table scene and even though we may not know what happened during the 5 days, we shouldn't assume that Luke didn't support Nick at all during that time skip because if he didn't then Nick probably wouldn't have made those 5 days. Very easily frustrated? When? You mean when Nick ran up and shot Matthew even though Luke, Clem, hell even Matthew was trying to reason with him. He killed an innocent person. Yeah, I think I would be frustrated with my friend too, especially if I told him to stay with the group. The only decision that Luke made for Nick was for him to stay with the group and for good reason. Nick was also the one with the gun so Luke basically gave Nick a job to protect the group. Nick wasn't in the condition to make rational choices as shown with the Matthew incident. After the incident Nick was trying to play the victim as if Matthew pointed his gun at Nick first and was about to shoot him when that was far from the truth. He was even calling Luke an asshole because Luke thought that he wasn't going to shoot.
So who hasn't been a good friend because I could argue that Nick hasn't been a good friend to Luke.
If he trained himself from a young age to keep quiet about things then how is that Luke's fault? They're in a middle of a zombie apocalypse and Luke has enough on his plate with protecting the group from Carver while trying to find a safe place where they can lose him. Its also been shown that Luke is one of the more capable members so he has to be on a constant lookout for any danger because Rebecca's pregnant, Alvin's sort of on the chubby side, Sarah is a kid, Nick is emotionally unstable, Clem's also a kid, (even though she's a hell of a cable one, she's a kid nonetheless) and Carlos is too worried about his daughter at times and would probably put the group in danger to protect her. Luke has to step up if he's going to lead this group from Carver.
I know I've said this several times, but Luke was comforting and sympathizing with Nick in episode 1 at the dinner table. In episode 2 at the dinner table he asked him if he was okay. Luke obviously supports Nick to the best of his ability while still burdened with the responsibilities of leading the group away from Carver.
I'm not trying to defend Nick's behavior. There's no excuse for him killing Matthew and there's not excuse for him calling Luke an asshole. Those are dick moves.
It's kind of a low blow to claim Nick was playing "victim" here because he wouldn't have been there unless he thought Luke and Clem were being threatened. His comment about Matt pointing a gun at him seemed to be about how Matt reacted when he had already come over. Again, not defending his actions, but considering Uncle Pete's recent death it's kind of clear that his intent was to protect Clem and Luke, not necessarily himself.
This is kind of twisting really far away from what it once was. My original argument is that Luke has used very patronizing language to refer to Nick and he's tried to lie to him and forced him into lying "for his own good". Nick has literally expressed to us that Luke pushes him in ways that make him uncomfortable and it's clear that he resents it, but he feels jealous because he wants to be like Luke, which means that he feels ashamed of the way he is now, the way he's "built". He hasn't out and out said it but he himself heavily implies that Luke doesn't understand his depression and doesn't deal with it very well.
I'm not a fan of the idea either seeing as I would like for Nick to survive the whole season, or at least a few more episodes, but I couldn't help but notice small implications throughout the episode that seemed to subtly hint that things would only get worse for Nick. Sarah's headshot gesture was very strange to me, I honestly can't figure out why TTG would stick that in there if it isn't foreshadowing or some sort of implication that Sarah is unstable.
Luke seems like the type of friend you'd go to to have a good time with, not to empty out your emotional issues onto. That's just the vibe I get from him.
Okay, I understand. You do have a point, but I don't think that's Luke's intention at all. I don't think Luke considers himself superior to Nick. I just think that he's just trying to protect Nick, but unfortunately Luke is still a kid too (or young adult, whichever) and still has a lot left to learn. I think because Luke has a moving on attitude that he forgets that Nick isn't "built" like him. Luke has good intentions, but his character is flawed by his lack of empathy.
I cried when Kenny came back and I also had to pause the game when Lee was walking through the walker horde with Clementine in order to build up the emotional confidence to bear what was going to happen next.
Yeah, well, Nick is determinant so we know he's probably not going to last long, unfortunately. I kind of thought maybe it was to imply Sarah just isn't aware of the horrors going on--to her maybe suicide was a foreign concept in films and books but poor Clementine has seen real people being shot, and (I think?) she knew Katjaa killed herself the same way. But it could be foreshadowing as well.
Agreed with Luke. he's not emotionally supportive. He's a friend you have fun with.
I didn't cry in the end of Season 1
I think I'm a monster
A Cookie Monster??????
I feel like you kind of have to be familiar with depression to understand why some of the words Luke uses and the choices he makes are hurtful to people who are struggling. It's hurtful to be called a "kid" by someone the same age as you, it's hurtful to know you're capable and to have someone say "no, you're not" and make you stay back, it's hurtful to be lied to because someone thinks you wouldn't be able to handle the truth. Luke can dole out hugs and say "Are you ok?" all he likes but he's done a lot of subconsciously toxic things that really do not help someone that's in a depressive state.
I have a question if you don't mind. Wasn't Luke emotionally supportive for Clementine in Episode 1? When he brings her food and listens to her.
Clementine was an 11-year-old stranger he'd met for the first time. It's easy for him to be patient because she's a little girl (making him automatically more sympathetic) and he probably doesn't anticipate ever having to do this for her again. With someone like Nick he probably felt as though he was expected to listen over and over and over again and when you know someone for a long time it becomes a pattern that you might grow sick of.
I don't think he means to be that way either. We live in a society that's just not very tolerant of depression and there are a lot of people in this world like Luke. They're not bad people, but they can be subconsciously harmful.