Analysing end of episode 4.. Who will die..
Bonnie is going up against Russian lady here.... whoever shoots first at this close of a distance has a very high chance of winning..
In this picture Mike is squaring off against the shotgun guy... Shotgun guy clearly has advantage but If mike can shoot him first he might have a chance..
Things are not looking good for mike and Kenny here... Burikko (tattoo guy) is aiming his ak47 directly towards Mike and Kenny's direction... If Kenny doesn't shoot him first Mike could cop a few bullets...
In the following scene Now mike and Kenny have shifted spots.. Kenny is facing off against shotgun guy and mike is going up against Ak47 man.. If Kenny fires first he can kill shotgun guy... same goes for mike with Ak47 guy.. but Ak47 guy is the instigator that opens fire first..
Once again not looking good for mike.
Bonnie and Russian woman very close range here... Its 50% 50% between them... Can Bonnie pull through?
Right before Luke turns around and screams NO before screen cuts to black.. We hear Ak47 fire after this... could be tattoo man and luke firing at each other.. My guess is mike might take a bullet or two before Luke can shoot Burriko.
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I gotta feeling Clem will end up alone again.
i think everyone but clem and the baby will die
Same here or even worse captured. Plus I don't know if Luke will be much help in this situation since he could not kill Carver he probably never killed anyone before.
Pew pew Everybody gonna die tonight.
How oddly satisfying would it be if Clem and the baby survives and then we meet Christa alive and well close to Wellington?
My guess for the opening scene is Mike dies, Bonnie flips the fuck out and shoots the girl. Bonnie then gets executed. Kenny gets shot and doesn't die (he dies from his wounds later). Then they all get captured.
That would be an interesting third season.
I had a feel (and I still have) that Mike will maybe die in the shootout, but even if nobody dies there would still be some wounded, maybe Kenny or Luke, or Mike himself.
Anyway! Back on the road again... We're back on the road again.
Going to predict 1 group death and one injury... Maybe 1 group death.. one injury and one determinant depending on your actions... Actually im not sure if having another determinant character is good for the final episode...
I think at some point Clementine will end up alone but I would be surprised if it was this soon.
I hope they don't get captured again. Ep3 was enough.
-I think, if you listen, you can hear some certain gunshots out of the right speaker (or right ear bud, whatever) at certain times and different ones out of the left speaker (left earbud etc.) at different times. I don't know if right is supposed to represent the Russians and left is supposed to represent Clem's group or vice versa, or if the shots are just random as if you were Clem with the shots fired all around you in a circle. (Leaning towards the latter.) Somehow I doubt TT would go to all that trouble and put in that much detail, but maybe they did?
-Idk if Bonnie's vest was actually bulletproof or not; some people said this before. Where did it say this in the episode though?
-I think the baby likely survived; although some pointed out in an older thread that it was probably well covered from fire by Rebecca's body, but it kinda wasn't:
Maybe for 180 degrees, but not the other 180. But still I doubt they would aim at it when there are other armed people to shoot at.
-Next, how committed was each Russian person to shooting?
Copy paste from my old comment concerning what the Russians were saying:
Some highlights from the game files here:
The Russian man with hair, named Vitali says, "Buricko! Buricko! We can take them! I can kill any three of them with my bare hands, we don't even need the weapons! That's right, I mean you, eyepatch man, you're weak and I could tear out your throat with my teeth, who needs to use bullets for the likes of you? I'll kill you all and eat your entrails for breakfast!" yikeesss. But he also says or could say, "What the hell is going on?! This is too much! Buricko, back down!" and also, "Buricko STOP! You're going to get us ALL killed!!" Probably he was saying this stuff after they found out about the baby. Vitali was on Mike/Kenny and maybe also Bonnie:
Buricko (the bald one) says, "So, this is how it's going to be, is it? That's fine! This is as good a day to die as any other! You don't scare me, you pathetic scavengers! Just bring it on! Bring it on! Bring it on!" Buricko looked like he had a few ppl in sight--Kenny and Luke, possibly Mike?
Maud says, "Just get the medicine back! this is crazy!" She had Bonnie.
It looks like Buricko wasn't backing down even after hearing about the baby, but the rest were.
-How committed was each person in Clem's group to shooting?
Bonnie was ready to shoot two people! Read her lines below:
"You! Don't even try it, motherfucker! I guarantee I'm a better shot than you are! I'll drop you both before you can blink!" That would be Maud and Arvo who were both in her sights.
Mike similarly was ready to kill someone if he was forced to. "Look, I don't wanna have to do this, but I will if you make me! Don't make me do it! Look at me! Do you hear me? I will kill you if I have to!" He was facing Vitali, but also Buricko like the OP said.
Luke however has been shown to be reluctant to kill others before, no matter who they are (Carver). He could've possibly shot them in the knees or something less fatal though. I actually don't think Luke was saying much dialogue right before he said, "Nooo!" But he did say, "Don't shoot! Just wait!" He looked to be backing up. Probably because he didn't want his gun pointed at the only one of their assailants with no gun, Arvo. I doubt he was pointing his gun at anyone when Buricko's gun first went off (maybe Maud?), but you can't really tell for sure-it might’ve been lowered. Before that, he's the only one with a gun besides Clem that's not pointed at someone's head. I have to point out though that Luke was the first to raise his gun after Arvo says, "Buricko says we take everything," causing the domino effect of making everyone else raise their guns.
Kenny is Kenny. He'll shoot whoever he needs to. ** Edit: I forgot how much Kenny cares about the baby. He’ll die for it if he has to I bet. Also if you chose to call out for help, Kenny just shot his Rebecca, and his gun isn’t on Buricko etc. anymore. ** His gun was trained on the ruthless Buricko, and Vitali.
Clem herself had her gun at the ready if she shot Rebecca, but she had it lowered in one hand if she didn't shoot her. But if she shot her, she didn't have her gun raised at anyone else. Just a hunch, but I don't think Clem will have shot anyone living either way. We control her right? Would she shoot anyone without our say-so? ** Edit: It would actually be pretty awesome if they left the first scene of 205 as a playable scene where we can shoot, and our decisions determine the rest of the episode. This was suggested by others before. **
-I slowed down the video during the blackout and counted about 11-13 shots fired ** Edit: On HD, I heard a lot more, up to 20? O.O But they could be echoes...) **; I'm not entirely sure. If you listen it sounds like two (maybe three?) different stock-gunshot sounds are used over and over. There were 8 people with guns (Luke, Kenny, Bonnie, Mike, Clem, Vitali, Buricko, Maud.) So assuming TT is consistent with their audio, it sounds like each person could've fired at least once, though I'm not sure if Clem and Luke would've or not. We know Buricko shot at least once; his was the first after Rebecca was killed no matter your decision.** Edit: I might make a separate thread on the gun shot sounds and their actual weapons but I’m not sure it’ll be worth it, especially if TT just put in some random audio for the blackout. The sounds seem to be inconsistent...
But then again, I don’t know much about guns. **
-Also, I don't think they'd have the pizza vs. ice cream decision that they've been hyping so much right in the first scene of 205, so I doubt Kenny/Luke will outright die in the beginning. ** Edit: (Even if Kenny/Luke isn’t the pizza/ice cream, I still doubt they’d die right in the beginning. We’re not on the best of terms with both of them right now so killing them wouldn’t work plotwise. Though, TT has killed characters with plot potential before, so I might eat my words…) ** I'm guessing the pizza/ice cream will be eaten near the climax of the episode instead.
Update:
Mike probably shot and killed Vitali. After all, he said, “I will kill you if I have to!”
-So added some actual conclusions lol in addition to some other edits. From all this, I think Clem's group has the advantage of more people living because they're ready to defend the baby and have more guns while the Russians are reconsidering the baby factor. Also Clem's group was probably more aiming to kill than Arvo's group was. Neither Kenny nor Luke will die, though they could be injured non-fatally. Clem is alive duh though we don't know if she's been shot at all-if so also non-fatally. The baby's alive as was explained before. Then I think we can make predictions for the first couple seconds but not much after that (they were only shooting for five seconds), since they’re all so close together.
Buricko looked like he could've been aiming at Kenny or Luke first. I'm guessing Buricko shot at Luke first because Luke yelled “No!”, calling attention to himself and so then Luke’s injured. Don't think Luke will get around to shooting, since he might be hurt and he's usually against it. Fairly-wreckless-Kenny probably shot Buricko right after. Bonnie I think will shoot Maud because she seems more prone to shoot than Maud, according to their dialogue. It sounds like Bonnie could easily kill Maud and Arvo, but I think maybe she got Arvo in the uninjured leg or something so he couldn’t move to help his friends….Also there are no other close guns on her, except Vitali, and he’s preoccupied with Mike first. If Bonnie only injured Arvo, he could’ve also grabbed Maud’s fallen gun.
Then…who knows? 11-13 (or up to 20) shots over 5 seconds are a lot for 10 potentially shootable people and 6 guns, (I don't think 2 guns--Clem’s and maybe Luke's--are being fired). Even if we count all the shots used supposedly on the Russians as well as Buricko's shot we actually saw, that's only 5 shots. Then there will be double-taps and misses [though many shots wouldn’t miss at such close range, meaning more certain death for head-shots.
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too too long; didn’t read: Pretty sure all the Russians will be dead by the end of it except maybe Arvo. Kenny/Luke, Clem, and baby will still be alive, though the first three are probably injured non-fatally. Mike and Bonnie? I really don’t know. Bonnie could’ve started out strong taking out Maud and Arvo, but things may not have ended well for her. And Mike? Let’s just hope they both survive, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Other conclusions: I really like to overanalyze. Can you guys tell?
Very good work! And I think that Luke and Kenny have to be alive and both more or less uninjured to make the Pizza vs. ice cream a fair pick, no? Bonny is a tough lady --- mo******cker!
Thank you!
Agreed, if Luke or Kenny are shot they're probably not fatally shot, just in a limb or something otherwise it wouldn't be fair! And yeah, wasn't expecting that from Bonnie. Go, Bonnie!
I don't think anyone's getting captured I think it's a battle to the death.
There's no way they all could've gotten out of that alive. I'm hoping Bonnie makes it but I'm sort of worried that the whole section with the museum with her and Mike was set up as a little 'sending off' where we get to spend time with them both because we won't ever get the chance again.
There it was something Bonnie said that led me to think that:
And poor Mike, doesn't even get a 'remember' message and for that I think it's possible he's a total goner, which really makes me sad because I really liked him this episode so much T_T him and Bonnie are rather cute.
But back to the shoot out, if anybody goes down, I got no doubts on it being them. Maybe Mike is killed straight away and Bonnie gets badly injured and bleeds out not long after. Kenny and Luke meanwhile, I'm pretty sure both or at least one of them will get shot but still be alive, and maybe even poor Clem too might get hit by a bullet.
I do hope the group gets in a good few shots though :S because Arvo's group seemed ready to kill.
i think clem well be the only one not hit, it would be a miracle but i think thats gonna happen, it would be so worse if it just clem and the baby.
Aww I hope that doesn’t happen to Bonnie or Mike but you might be right about that scene.
And actually, I don't think Arvo's group was ready to kill, if you read their dialogue here or in my essay
before it looks like most of them were ready to back down or maybe just settle for injuring and not killing them when hearing they had a baby (except Buricko) while Clem's group was angrily ready to defend that baby to the death.
p.s. Hey! I messaged you on fanfic.net, remember me?
Did anyone else think about this .... Pizza or Ice cream may not be just Kenny or Luke but..... choose THE BABE or Kenny & Luke(together)????
tell me your thoughts!
That could be possible! Or any decision that's not just "Luke or Kenny" is possible really. Whether pizza vs. ice cream is Luke vs. Kenny or not, I still don't think Luke or Kenny will be killed (if they are) at least until later in 205, not the beginning.
I think Kenny would want to hang on to the baby though; it seems like he's very attached to it and it gives him new purpose to keep going. So probably the baby would be with him, too? Kenny + Baby vs. Luke?
that's possible too. in case of this i think i would choose Kenny and the baby
That would be cool, and have a lot of potential. But there wouldn't be much dialogue at times though. There would be character interaction, but mostly just Clem talking to herself or the baby, similar to the scenes with Sam. I think most people prefer hubs with more two-way conversation, right?
I think Clem might get shot, for conflict, although it won't be fatal, or maybe it'll take a while for it to "set in".
I could see her taking a round to a limb or being grazed, it's going to be an insane gunfight. Even if nobody intentionally shoots at her, there's still a good chance of getting hit, given how close they are.
well you have a point there but goddamn it's so HARD to choose between them, even if it is the baby choise i would stop the game and take a biiiiiiiig looooong breath and think about this.
But think something else too what about the consequences
Why did'nt Luke aim at the AK guy? I mean AK vs AK has better chances than AK vs Glock. Why even aim at Arvo if he dosn't have a gun?
Probably.
The groups are going to rip each other to pieces....I can't see it going down any other way. A shootout at that close of range, with goddamn shotguns and no cover, could easily kill or injure everyone. To make things worse, the potential for friendly fire is very high. Luke could get gunned down and shoot Mike in an involuntary spasm. Arvo could shoot through Bonnie and hit his friend on the other side.
Don't forget the walkers either. With all those gunshots, they might as well by ringing the dinner bell.
Whoever wins, I have a feeling it will be brief and gruesome.
Even though Luke is a square ass bitch. I think he would kill people in self defense.
You seriously think they're gonna kill off everybody except Clem and the baby in the first few minutes of the episode?
Yeah, I think the same thing is gonna happen to Kenny. Like he can't go on anymore and Clem has to kill him.
I think some of them will stay behind and some will die in the fight and maybe kenny says to clem to hold the baby and simply run.
But I don't know.This ending was pretty vague in terms of making theories.
The ending kinda reminded me of Breaking Bad Episode 513.
Sry double post.
Well, the only hope is everyone is good at quick draws :L
Reminded me of Red Dead Redemption...except leveler heads prevailed in that case.
Moller: There must be a word for this.
Ricketts: An impasse, sir. An impasse.
Doesn't luke has something like ak47-m4?When he says "no" he turns his face towards burrico/rebecca.So I think burrico and luke shoot each other.
P.S:If you call for help,Kenny is distracted..But im happy I didnt shoot rebecca..Im preety sure Kenny would be mad..who knows