Does Kenny even care about Clem anymore?
I'm wondering, does Kenny even care about Clementine anymore after the Sarita incident? Think about it. After the incident, Kenny leaves Clementine alone in the walker hoard to fend for herself which she could have died from and Kenny probably wouldn't have care. After fortunately surviving the hoard with some help (Jane), Clementine confronts Kenny which he didn't even seemed worried about her survival. If Clementine would've died in that herd, Kenny wouldn't have even cared. When Clementine talks to Kenny, he gives Clementine shit and tells her that it's all her fault that Sarita died and if she thinks that she can get people killed and get away with it then she has another thing coming (It's bad enough since Clementine blames herself for Lee's and Omid's death, but now Kenny is reinforcing that burden on Clementine which is going to make her feel worse).
When you talk to Kenny in the tent. If you tell him about Lee, he says that he can't even look at Clem. Kenny doesn't even seemed concerned about Clementine throughout the whole episode while Luke at least checks on Clementine at the observation deck to see if she's okay. When Luke fucks up and they fight off the lurkers until the baby is born, Kenny is only upset about the baby being put in danger because of Luke and doesn't even think about Clementine's safety. He also says to Luke that the baby's safety is the only thing that matters. I guess Clementine's safety doesn't matter to Kenny anymore.
Finally, during the showdown Kenny says that he will not let them touch that baby while Clementine is in the middle unarmed and scared. At least when Arvo starts walking towards Clementine, Luke quickly aims his rifle at Arvo to make him back off.
Basically my question is, did Kenny replace Clementine/Duck with Rebecca's baby because Clementine did something that Kenny didn't agree with?
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I imagine this is what Ben felt like
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I told Kenny he helps me all the time
Now im going to make Clementine Jelly kill the baby and be with Kenny happily ever after
Nobody will know.
We will.
YOU TOLD US.
And together we will travel towards Wellington, find Christa there and live happily ever after. A man can dream...a man can dream.
Well we cant have that now can we
At least he died a hero for me
Do you still care about Kenny? Because I sure don't. That guy sucks. Been a psycho since he was reintroduced. I hope those Ruskies pumped him full of lead
I really think Kenny is all about that baby now, I told myself I'm gonna stick with Luke, I know Kenny stuck up for clem and took the blame for the radio for her but he left her in the middle of a horde knowing where she was, Kenny sticks to the person who does what he says, katjaa and duck did that, sarita did that and the baby's not going to have a say...
So yeah Kenny's not thinking about Clem at all
I think she's totally been replaced. I never bought into this whole deep connection Kenny and Clem supposedly had, and most of what there was (enough to say, have him take that beating from Carver) certainly seems like it went out the window this episode. While I have plenty of problems with Luke's attitude and actions this ep, for example. his caring more about trash-talking people and boning Jane than Clementine's emotional well-being (or you know, his lifelong best friend's death, or you know, making sure people he is supposed to care about, one of whom is a pregnant woman in labor, are not dying on his watch), at least he makes a couple of quick efforts to connect with her.
Kenny on the other hand could give two fucks whether or not Clementine is okay unless she goes out of her way to stroke his ego and let him pummel her emotionally. She was the world to him when she was the best candidate to replace Duck, but now that he has a more suitable version that will be totally dependent on him and unable to do or say things he won't like, she's yesterday's news. If he even thought that leaving her for dead would maybe help him get away with the baby, I feel like he'd do it with maybe a couple seconds hesitation. Such is the world of Kenny.
People say shit they really didn't mean to say when they're really pissed. Kenny was really pissed.
The OP makes a very good point. But it just goes to show NO ONE right now will ever care about clem like Lee did.. Its not Clementine its kenny.. Even if you dont chop off Sarita's arm Kenny still shuts you down emotionally.. He still does care about her... He took the beating from Carver for her and sacrificed himself for her in season one.. He was just so distraught about Sarita he just forgot how much Clem needed him at that moment.
Thats stupid
I was really looking foward to seeing Kennys badass eye
I don't know, Kenny seemed really happy with Clementine when comforting the baby
I think he still cares about Clem, but I'm also certain that the baby is currently his top priority.
What about the aftermath? It seems like Rebecca's baby is Kenny's top priority. Kenny is only mad at Luke for the baby's safety and not Clementine's. Also it seems like Kenny can't let go of the baby because the baby is a fresh start to a new Duck that he can mold him into while Clementine is yesterday's news.
That doesn't mean that he doesn't care about the baby more than Clementine. Kenny has been distancing himself from Clementine and latching himself onto the baby.
So if it came down to it and Kenny could only save one. Who would he save? Clementine or the baby?
Yeah.. I agree. : /
That is an unfair choice even for Kenny to make..
I still think he does. From what I've seen, Kenny needs somebody to depend on him. Clem is good with or without him. The baby give him hope and a new start.
Basically this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfdYZmxuH9o
Clem is the first lamb.
Fine, how about this. If Luke could only save one. Who would he save? Clementine or the baby. Just a hypothetical.
I really don't know.. Luke seems to care about Clem but then again.. How could you abandon a baby? I dont know honestly.. If I was playing as Luke i might go for Clem.
Actually yea... Baby= Liability... Clem = Lee's Legacy.. so take that for what its worth..
I feel like that's the difference between Kenny and Luke. Kenny would pick the baby over Clementine while I believe that Luke would choose Clementine over the baby. Still, both of them are not the best guardians.
Lol thank you. I laughed way more than I should have.
Honestly,I always liked Kenny.And at the choices ice cream or pizza(luke or Kenny) I was always take Kenny's side.I was so happy I had an option "Luke,shut up!" at the arguement after luke and jane..ehm,you know...The way I see it,Kenny seemed to care A LOT at episode 2 and 3.Maybe the new writters didnt care about the character's feelings and this is so sad for me.But well,I think Kenny would risk his own life for Clem(The walkie talkie scene with Carver,everyone forgot that?)Honestly,Kenny is from the characters that you can either love,or hate and I dont think he will die in episode 5.If someone gets down,I want it to be dramatic.Like lee's death.Thats the walking dead.(Sarah's death,nobody never cared..I dont say the writters of ep 4 sucked,they were cool but for action.For drama,no.)
If Kenny went for the baby I would honestly feel very betrayed, I treated him like a bro in the first season and I have been kissing his ass and supporting him as Clem this season.. If he starts to push me and pissing me off more I hope they give us a slap kenny option.. Like he starts wagging his mouth at Clem and Clem slaps him and tells him he doesn't have a right to scream at her after all she supported him.. and kenny just shuts up, Stands there and looks at the ground. Would be kinda funny
That would be since Kenny told me that he couldn't even look at my Clem when I told him about Lee. I think that Kenny only wants a Duck 2.0 and Clementine is not doing it for him. At first he thought he could make it work, but now he tossed Clementine to the side for the baby since he would have a better chance of getting what he wants from Rebecca's baby than Clementine herself. :c
hahahahahah feels so true
Kenny ran off without Clementine in the herd, yes, but SO DID EVERYONE ELSE. Literally, the only two people who stayed with Clementine were Rebecca because SHE needed CLEMENTINE, not the other way around, and Jane, because Rebecca needed help. I think no one stayed to help Clementine because everyone knew she could make it without their help and everyone else had someone who needed more help than Clementine to worry about or just couldn't fine Clementine.
Also, can you really blame Kenny for getting mad at Clementine? He was apparently lashing out at everyone and for a decent reason, he had found another love interest and she died. It's not like he was specifically directing his anger at Clementine. Also, apparently if you just let Kenny talk he doesn't get as pissy and even apologizes to Clementine in the tent, and if you tell Kenny you need him in the tent, he says something along the lines of "You're more capable than any three adults put together, you don't need me....but thanks I guess." Not to mention he almost got beat to death for Clementine's sake one episode earlier and didn't even hesitate.
So he's honestly not that bad. I mean, don't get me wrong, getting so mad at Clementine was wrong, but a lot of people would be lashing out at random people for no reason in his situation.
In my opinion it is good that Kenny pays more attention to the baby than Clementine. I mean, come on guys - Clem is 11 and is already a hardened survivor who knows how to handle herself, while the baby is just a baby that actually needs the care, needs the affection of those around it to survive.
//eh, sorry for the spoiler tag. New to the forum, and not sure how can i remove it now.
Kenny has gotten a bit side tracked with the baby's safety.. Its mainly because it reminds him of when Duck was born.. It breathed some humanity back in him and gave him flashbacks of his family.. So for now.. I will let him have that happiness because Clem needs Kenny to keep his shit together.. But I still believe Kenny cares for Clem.
Someone edit it and put Kenny's face on Homer.. Clems face on the first Lamb.. and The baby's face on the third lamb.
Yeah, but Kenny ran away to spite Clementine and didn't help her intentionally while everyone else was separated. Also, why shouldn't I blame Kenny for lashing out at an eleven year old girl who he knows has a heavy conscious because she told him that she feels like she's responsible for the deaths of her loved ones and yet he still insists to blame her for their deaths by saying that she can't get people killed and get away with it. Clementine almost burst into tears because of Kenny. Also, I'm sorry that my Clementine wasn't fortunate enough to get an apology because I didn't pick a specific dialogue choice. Kenny's priority has shifted onto Rebecca's baby. Clementine was Kenny's second choice until Duck died and now Clementine is Kenny's second choice until the baby dies.
I won't let Clementine be anyone's second choice. If that baby dies only then Kenny will crawl back to Clem, but until then expect Kenny to obsess over that baby's safety more than Clem's.
Well the baby's safety IS more important then Clems.. After all Clementine is getting older and Kenny knows she can fend for herself "I've seen you take care of yourself more than any 3 adults put together" so It makes sense Kenny doesn't baby Clem like Lee did.. even in episode 3 he was asking her to do all the dangerous shit..
Then again I don't think even Luke has held the baby yet.. and he knows Rebecca way more than Kenny... Kenny feels a connection to the baby because he helped deliver it.. i mean did you see the way he looked at it when it sprang back to life.. Kenny can care for the baby all he wants but I agree with you he shouldn't shut out Clem completely after all they have been through, Clem is basically the only one there defending him right now, if Kenny doesn't see how much of a good friend Clem is he is stupid.
Did Kenny ever really care for Clementine? How much Kenny "cared" about Clementine was always dependent on how useful Lee was to helping Kenny fulfill Kenny's goals.
I was abit angry at Kenny first when he blamed Clem for the death of sarita, but when he said "I can't be alone again" I understood that he didn't mean what he said. I don't think Kenny will die yet, he is an important character in the game and I think that it's not a proper send off to die in that gun fight. His death needs to be more meaningful.
He cares about the baby more than anyone
He doesn't run away to spite Clementine if she doesn't try to take the situation into her own hands. If you kill the zombie biting Sarita, Kenny runs off to try to protect Sarita. If you chop her arm off and convince Kenny to leave her willingly, he just kind of goes ADVENTURE TIME and runs off. He ran off to spite Clementine as much as Sarah did, in my opinion.
As for his outburst, like I said, he was out of line, it was wrong, but many people would behave similarly in his situation. And if you just let him get it all out, he does say sorry. Also, in his defense, Clementine IS the reason Lee died, Ben died(determinant) and Kenny almost died. And by consequence, the reason Omid and Christa were left without a group which could have easily saved both of them. So despite the fact that it was completely uncalled for, it's not like he was wrong and he was going through a lot of emotional trauma. He even requested Clementine to leave him alone and Clementine knows damn well how Kenny gets when he's upset, she knew what she was walking into. Hey, at least he has the OPTION to apologize. He is also still pretty nice to her near the end of the episode....And I still feel compelled to say he nearly got beat to death for her an episode earlier.
Also, of course his priority has shifted to the baby. It's a baby and Clementine can take care of her self better than most adults. Same goes with Duck, only Duck was also his son and pretty much retarded.