Both Clementine and Kenny has suffered a lot. They are in this game since the first episode, they are the key characters of this series (and Lee obviously).
I don't see why people are getting into a fight to prove who suffered the most, they both have being through a lot, end of story.
And saying that Kenny was never there for Clementine, you are just ignoring a lot of things that happened in Season 1, especially Episode 5. "You don't just end it because it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about. So let's figure out a way out of here and get that little girl."
to take a crack at Clem's response (obviously this assumes certain choices made throughout s1&2):
"So you think the traumatic things … moreyou've seen and the losses you've endured are so much worse than anyone else? I saw Shaun get killed on the farm, right after you saved Duck, and then didn't even try to help Lee save him. I had to watch as Doug was torn apart at the drug store, because only Lee was there to help Carly and I couldn't do anything. I watched as you killed Larry. You didn't even consider if he might not be dead. When we were escaping the barn and Lee struggled with Danny, you didn't help him. Lily did. I was standing right there when Lily killed Carly. I didn't get a chance to be with my family all this time. I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. I had to look at my dead parents staggering around the streets outside the Marsh House, but I couldn't do anything to help them or end their misery, because Lee had already passed … [view original content]
Both Clementine and Kenny has suffered a lot. They are in this game since the first episode, they are the key characters of this series (and… more Lee obviously).
I don't see why people are getting into a fight to prove who suffered the most, they both have being through a lot, end of story.
And saying that Kenny was never there for Clementine, you are just ignoring a lot of things that happened in Season 1, especially Episode 5. "You don't just end it because it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about. So let's figure out a way out of here and get that little girl."
Wait, are people seriously giving Kenny shit for what he said to Clem? I mean, yes, he was pretty hard on her, but can you really blame him?… more Like most, I chose to cut Sarita's arm off, so to me his reaction was completely understandable. Even though I don't like what he said to Clem, after everything the guy's been through, I can't fault him at all. First his kid gets bit, and he sees it as punishment for not helping Shawn, whilst wrestling with that guilt his wife kills herself right in front of him, leaving him to put down Duck or watch his best friend(in my playthrough Lee and Kenny were Bros) put down his son. He tries to honor the decision he made with his family to get to a safe place on a boat, only to find out there are none left. He later finds out it all happened because of some scared punkass kid(I like Ben, but he screwed up so much, there's no denying that.) They find a boat only to have it snatched away by another group that he … [view original content]
Clem's had it worse, because she's a kid and she's burdened with shit nobody deserves. Listing down all the traumas she undergoes in Season 1 alone could take just as long, and that's not to mention what she's currently gone through in Season 2. Kenny's a big tough guy, Clem's a vulnerable and sensitive child who is no longer recognized as such.
I guess I find it easier to empathize with the anguish of a mature little girl than it is with an abrasive, grown-ass adult who throws temper tantrums and is way too clingy. But then again it seems to be a common theme of Season 2 - Clem is handling the insanity of civilization's collapse with a lot more grace than any adult she knows, but nobody else is willing to give her the same courtesy.
Wait, are people seriously giving Kenny shit for what he said to Clem? I mean, yes, he was pretty hard on her, but can you really blame him?… more Like most, I chose to cut Sarita's arm off, so to me his reaction was completely understandable. Even though I don't like what he said to Clem, after everything the guy's been through, I can't fault him at all. First his kid gets bit, and he sees it as punishment for not helping Shawn, whilst wrestling with that guilt his wife kills herself right in front of him, leaving him to put down Duck or watch his best friend(in my playthrough Lee and Kenny were Bros) put down his son. He tries to honor the decision he made with his family to get to a safe place on a boat, only to find out there are none left. He later finds out it all happened because of some scared punkass kid(I like Ben, but he screwed up so much, there's no denying that.) They find a boat only to have it snatched away by another group that he … [view original content]
Christa lost a child, right after the death of her loved one.
As cold as it is, the attitude espoused by many characters - even Clementine - is that everybody's lost someone. Kenny's pain doesn't make him unique or give him any more right to shit on younger people, first with Ben and now with Clem. Clem is arguably more deserving of calling out her fellow survivors on not giving a crap about who she is, but she's too mature and broken down for that.
The one argument against Kenny is that everyone has lost people, lost family. But Kenny is the only one who has lost a child. Most men, wh… moreen asked. Say they feel they have an obligation to be the protector. Kenny sees himself in having failed to protect his family. Not only did his wife and child die. He feels he failed them.
So yes, his losses are on another level.
Unfortunately I learnt last week that there is no pain like losing a child. Not me.... my next door neighbours 18 month old son drowned in the garden pond. We heard her discover him. As you can imagine they feel their lives are over. It's different to.losing a friend, .or a parent
Yes, when you put it that way Clem has had it worse, but she's not the one who is constantly getting hated on for every single thing she says or does to a ridiculous degree. And seeing as she is the playable character in season 2, I don't think comparing her with Kenny is completely fair. The point of my post wasn't to say Kenny has had it the worst and therefore should be excused for every blunder he makes, but to emphasize when you take everything into account that has happened to him, his reaction is understandable. And if you look at him as a real human being, I honestly cannot blame him for his anger. I find Kenny to be an extremely realistic character, and I love that he has so many flaws. But if you don't like him, then whatever floats your boat I guess.(lol boat.)
Clem's had it worse, because she's a kid and she's burdened with shit nobody deserves. Listing down all the traumas she undergoes in Season… more 1 alone could take just as long, and that's not to mention what she's currently gone through in Season 2. Kenny's a big tough guy, Clem's a vulnerable and sensitive child who is no longer recognized as such.
I guess I find it easier to empathize with the anguish of a mature little girl than it is with an abrasive, grown-ass adult who throws temper tantrums and is way too clingy. But then again it seems to be a common theme of Season 2 - Clem is handling the insanity of civilization's collapse with a lot more grace than any adult she knows, but nobody else is willing to give her the same courtesy.
THIS. I never understood why people are blaming Kenny for this. No, not because I'm a Kenny fangirl and forgive him everything. Because I understand people with temper. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, I grew up in a family where everyone, except me, has temper. It's like being locked in one house with three Kennys. Can you imagine how it is? But I never blamed my mother, my father or my sister. Yes, I wish them to be more calm and tolerant to eachother. But I learned one important lesson from them - everyone is different. Someone can just swallow their feelings and be alone all the day. And someone like Kenny should throw their feelings out, blame someone. Like Rebecca said, you shouldn't expect him to just bounce back. Just wait a little and Kenny will be okay.
That's why I don't blame him. I only feel sorry for him.
to take a crack at Clem's response (obviously this assumes certain choices made throughout s1&2):
"So you think the traumatic things … moreyou've seen and the losses you've endured are so much worse than anyone else? I saw Shaun get killed on the farm, right after you saved Duck, and then didn't even try to help Lee save him. I had to watch as Doug was torn apart at the drug store, because only Lee was there to help Carly and I couldn't do anything. I watched as you killed Larry. You didn't even consider if he might not be dead. When we were escaping the barn and Lee struggled with Danny, you didn't help him. Lily did. I was standing right there when Lily killed Carly. I didn't get a chance to be with my family all this time. I didn't get a chance to say goodbye. I had to look at my dead parents staggering around the streets outside the Marsh House, but I couldn't do anything to help them or end their misery, because Lee had already passed … [view original content]
THIS. I never understood why people are blaming Kenny for this. No, not because I'm a Kenny fangirl and forgive him everything. Because I un… morederstand people with temper. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, I grew up in a family where everyone, except me, has temper. It's like being locked in one house with three Kennys. Can you imagine how it is? But I never blamed my mother, my father or my sister. Yes, I wish them to be more calm and tolerant to eachother. But I learned one important lesson from them - everyone is different. Someone can just swallow their feelings and be alone all the day. And someone like Kenny should throw their feelings out, blame someone. Like Rebecca said, you shouldn't expect him to just bounce back. Just wait a little and Kenny will be okay.
That's why I don't blame him. I only feel sorry for him.
Yes, when you put it that way Clem has had it worse, but she's not the one who is constantly getting hated on for every single thing she say… mores or does to a ridiculous degree. And seeing as she is the playable character in season 2, I don't think comparing her with Kenny is completely fair. The point of my post wasn't to say Kenny has had it the worst and therefore should be excused for every blunder he makes, but to emphasize when you take everything into account that has happened to him, his reaction is understandable. And if you look at him as a real human being, I honestly cannot blame him for his anger. I find Kenny to be an extremely realistic character, and I love that he has so many flaws. But if you don't like him, then whatever floats your boat I guess.(lol boat.)
Of course Kenny cares for Clem. He said mean things yes but in grief. Look how much he cared for in Episode 2 and how he took the beating off Carver for her in Ep3? Im pretty sure he will make amends in ep5
then later after he cooled off he should of told clem he was sorry he never tells clem he was sorry for blaming her for sareta's death in t… morehe tent he can say sorry but not for sareta just for what he just said so he put another death on her she is blaming herself for lee omid reggie sarah thanks kenneth ........oh and i didn't cut off her arm i killed the walker
Because of Clementine he goes with them, and almost gets beaten to death, and loses his girl. Because of Clementine. Because god knows, if she wasnt with them, they wouldnt have stayed with Luke and co.
No, not because of Clementine. Kenny is an adult, he is old enough to make decisions himself. Because of Kenny is why he went with the cabin group (really it was Carver but still). Don't blame that on Clementine. She didn't say "Kenny I found you! Now you have to stay with me and my new group.". Kenny made a choice and took the beating for Clementine (which I respect him for). If you MUST blame someone for that, blame Luke for getting caught. I blame Sarita for getting bitten but if you MUST blame someone else blame Carver. Clementine did not cause any of these things, other people did. But Kenny blames her and only her, and that's not okay with me. I know Kenny is an emotional man and her deals with pain that way. But its not right to treat someone that way just because its "how he deals with it".
Yes, but he lost her either 5 minutes before, or was still losing her. Hell, when Nick lost Pete, he killed Matthew because he wasn't thinki… moreng straight... its not like he lost her hours before, or days or weeks. He had lost her, right then and there. They've all had losses, though you must remember that this is doubly traumatic for Kenny, he lost his family. Then managed to move on from that, made a new life with Sarita. He was happy. Then these guys disrupt his life, get him involved in their troubles. Because of Clementine he goes with them, and almost gets beaten to death, and loses his girl. Because of Clementine.
Because god knows, if she wasnt with them, they wouldnt have stayed with Luke and co.
So yeah, I understand why he's pissed. This group have ruined his life, for the second time.
Thank you! Its like he was trying to find all the cracks in Clementine's decision making confidence. He was trying to tear her down, and you could see it worked. I mean JANE she was better than Kenny "You did what you thought was right. That's all anyone could have done in that moment"
I didnt expect him to get over it, just not take it out on Clementine. He wasnt just being angry either, he was deliberately trying to hurt her. Thats what made me upset.
I personally love how people complain about the lack of emotion that characters show when other characters die, yet hate on the one character who actually does show realistic emotion when dealing with the death of another character.
People show grief in different ways. Some throw screaming tantrums, others turn to drink, or become catatonic, or bottle it up for the sake of moving on. I don't dislike Kenny for making children share his misery because I understand it to be his grieving mechanism, but I do dislike how his behavior is vehemently defended and excused by fans while other characters' reactions are undermined. People can do shitty things without having it be twisted into something excusable.
I personally love how people complain about the lack of emotion that characters show when other characters die, yet hate on the one character who actually does show realistic emotion when dealing with the death of another character.
Love this comment! Kenny acted how 99% of us would. No matter how much you deny you'd be that cruel. It was realistic. Yes I was hurt. Yes I was angry. Yes I understood 100% where he was coming from. And yes it was 100% justified
I personally love how people complain about the lack of emotion that characters show when other characters die, yet hate on the one character who actually does show realistic emotion when dealing with the death of another character.
People show grief in different ways. Some throw screaming tantrums, others turn to drink, or become catatonic, or bottle it up for the sake… more of moving on. I don't dislike Kenny for making children share his misery because I understand it to be his grieving mechanism, but I do dislike how his behavior is vehemently defended and excused by fans while other characters' reactions are undermined. People can do shitty things without having it be twisted into something excusable.
Comparing losing Clematis parents, to katjaa and duck is not the same. It's pizza and ice cream again. Everyone knows they'll lose their parents at some point. Yes it was traumatic for an 8yr old to lose both. But she never saw their deaths. Kenny lost his child and the woman he intended to spend his whole life with. As hard as losing Lee was. At the end of the day, she'd only known him a few months. Not even on the same level of emotional attachment as a wife and child
Worse than Clementine, a child, losing her parents, seeing that theyve been turned, getting kidnapped, having to shoot her surrogate father … moreas she watches him die, watching another surrogate father die trying to protect her, having her surrogate mother get attacked and disappear, get bitten by a dog she tried to be befriend, almost die from the bite and thats not counting everything that went on with the Carver group. I dont think you can say my tragedy is more than yours. They have all suffered terribly. Its how they handle it that counts.
Love this comment! Kenny acted how 99% of us would. No matter how much you deny you'd be that cruel. It was realistic. Yes I was hurt. Yes I was angry. Yes I understood 100% where he was coming from. And yes it was 100% justified
Of course Kenny cares for Clem. He said mean things yes but in grief. Look how much he cared for in Episode 2 and how he took the beating off Carver for her in Ep3? Im pretty sure he will make amends in ep5
And? I still don't see the point in comparing them, they are both drastically different characters with different backgrounds. Nobody's going to hate the character they are playing as..if they did it would be pretty hard to enjoy the game haha.
The "Clem response" made by The Zombie Flanders, it seems more influenced by personal opinion than an actual response I can hear Clem saying. Without our influence, I think Clem would be more neutral and less confrontational, especially with members of her group.
I can say the exact same thing about everyone being upset with Luke for porking Jane instead of keeping an eye out for walkers. Not every character that fans keep putting on pedestals is a saint, but you know what? That's what makes them more relatable and therefore more interesting as characters. People make mistakes and when they feel they're at their lowest low, they feel they need to do something to relieve themselves of their stress...
Kenny lost yet another person whom he felt close to so he blamed Clementine for (indirectly) getting her killed.
Luke and Jane felt the need to share a moment with each other after everything they've been through (Carver, the trailer park, Nick's death)
Oh yeah. And not to mention CLEMENTINE for leaving Lee's group for a stranger who claimed that he had her parents...or is she off limits just because everyone loves her...?
Why would we want to waste our time with a story where every character is perfect and everything is all fine and dandy? Because that's what a boring story filled with boring characters is.
if you do the 'oppose Kenny' playthrough in s1, Kenny's actions/responses to Lee would impact Clem accordingly, and thus, could cause her to blow up at him just like he did at her (which is why I put "obviously this assumes certain choices made throughout s1&2" to start).
when you get down to it, if it didn't actually happen in-game, then everything here is just a matter of personal opinion.
The "Clem response" made by The Zombie Flanders, it seems more influenced by personal opinion than an actual response I can hear Clem saying… more. Without our influence, I think Clem would be more neutral and less confrontational, especially with members of her group.
if you do the 'oppose Kenny' playthrough in s1, Kenny's actions/responses to Lee would impact Clem accordingly, and thus, could cause her to… more blow up at him just like he did at her (which is why I put "obviously this assumes certain choices made throughout s1&2" to start).
when you get down to it, if it didn't actually happen in-game, then everything here is just a matter of personal opinion.
The one argument against Kenny is that everyone has lost people, lost family. But Kenny is the only one who has lost a child. Most men, wh… moreen asked. Say they feel they have an obligation to be the protector. Kenny sees himself in having failed to protect his family. Not only did his wife and child die. He feels he failed them.
So yes, his losses are on another level.
Unfortunately I learnt last week that there is no pain like losing a child. Not me.... my next door neighbours 18 month old son drowned in the garden pond. We heard her discover him. As you can imagine they feel their lives are over. It's different to.losing a friend, .or a parent
Kenny is responsible for his actions. He yelled at and unfairly blamed a little girl who is his only family now.
Adults are accountable to act like adults. Part of that is treating people right, even when you're hurting.
Kenny was hurting. He should have given Clem a hug and said he knew it wasn't her fault. That's what family does. They support each other, not emotionally abuse each other. They cope in tough situations by caring for each other instead of only themselves.
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) instead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
I agree it's realistic and natural for Kenny to act like he did, because Kenny is often emotionally abusive. Clem should realize that she can't trust or be family with someone like Kenny and keep her distance.
I know. I don't get all these Kenny and Luke hate threads. Kenny essentially lost his eye for Clementine. Luke has been too nice this season anyways. Everyone got so pissed with them making one mistake.
The beating seems astoundingly heroic... until you realise he was the one who forced the walkie talkie into her pocket regardless of what she said. That led to her needing to check on Luke, then getting either slapped or manhandled by Troy. If Kenny didn't take responsibility after he forced her to take the walkie talkie, he'd have been a huge piece of shit. It's still heroic on some level that he took responsibility there knowing how crazy Carver was but it's hardly some giant landmark of awesomeness like it first appears. Oh yeah, smashing the face of a guy who was already dead by the second hit into mush right in front of a little girl you swore to protect is real heroic. Not going to fuck her up or anything. Lee MIGHT be proud of him for taking the beating, if he can get past Kenny forcing the talkie on her in the first place. He'd want to slap the shit out of him for wasting time killing Carver, especially with Clem there. And he'd just beat the shit out of him on the spot for saying what he did to Clem. Kenny is weak, he can't control his anger and spite and his love is only conditional.
No my friend no they haven't
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The beating seems astoundingly heroic... until you realise he was the one who forced th… moree walkie talkie into her pocket regardless of what she said. That led to her needing to check on Luke, then getting either slapped or manhandled by Troy. If Kenny didn't take responsibility after he forced her to take the walkie talkie, he'd have been a huge piece of shit. It's still heroic on some level that he took responsibility there knowing how crazy Carver was but it's hardly some giant landmark of awesomeness like it first appears. Oh yeah, smashing the face of a guy who was already dead by the second hit into mush right in front of a little girl you swore to protect is real heroic. Not going to fuck her up or anything. Lee MIGHT be proud of him for taking the beating, if he can get past Kenny forcing the talkie on her in the first place. He'd want to slap the shit out of him for wasting time killi… [view original content]
And? I still don't see the point in comparing them, they are both drastically different characters with different backgrounds. Nobody's going to hate the character they are playing as..if they did it would be pretty hard to enjoy the game haha.
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Both Clementine and Kenny has suffered a lot. They are in this game since the first episode, they are the key characters of this series (and Lee obviously).
I don't see why people are getting into a fight to prove who suffered the most, they both have being through a lot, end of story.
And saying that Kenny was never there for Clementine, you are just ignoring a lot of things that happened in Season 1, especially Episode 5. "You don't just end it because it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about. So let's figure out a way out of here and get that little girl."
And that's still him, who he is. Despite everything
why are you taking this game way to serious?
He does apology, just choose the silence option at the tent
Clem's had it worse, because she's a kid and she's burdened with shit nobody deserves. Listing down all the traumas she undergoes in Season 1 alone could take just as long, and that's not to mention what she's currently gone through in Season 2. Kenny's a big tough guy, Clem's a vulnerable and sensitive child who is no longer recognized as such.
I guess I find it easier to empathize with the anguish of a mature little girl than it is with an abrasive, grown-ass adult who throws temper tantrums and is way too clingy. But then again it seems to be a common theme of Season 2 - Clem is handling the insanity of civilization's collapse with a lot more grace than any adult she knows, but nobody else is willing to give her the same courtesy.
Christa lost a child, right after the death of her loved one.
As cold as it is, the attitude espoused by many characters - even Clementine - is that everybody's lost someone. Kenny's pain doesn't make him unique or give him any more right to shit on younger people, first with Ben and now with Clem. Clem is arguably more deserving of calling out her fellow survivors on not giving a crap about who she is, but she's too mature and broken down for that.
He was a dick to Clem, to Lee, to everybody. FUCK KENNY!
good job CLAP CLAP CLAP
thank you
Yes, when you put it that way Clem has had it worse, but she's not the one who is constantly getting hated on for every single thing she says or does to a ridiculous degree. And seeing as she is the playable character in season 2, I don't think comparing her with Kenny is completely fair. The point of my post wasn't to say Kenny has had it the worst and therefore should be excused for every blunder he makes, but to emphasize when you take everything into account that has happened to him, his reaction is understandable. And if you look at him as a real human being, I honestly cannot blame him for his anger. I find Kenny to be an extremely realistic character, and I love that he has so many flaws. But if you don't like him, then whatever floats your boat I guess.(lol boat.)
THIS. I never understood why people are blaming Kenny for this. No, not because I'm a Kenny fangirl and forgive him everything. Because I understand people with temper. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, I grew up in a family where everyone, except me, has temper. It's like being locked in one house with three Kennys. Can you imagine how it is? But I never blamed my mother, my father or my sister. Yes, I wish them to be more calm and tolerant to eachother. But I learned one important lesson from them - everyone is different. Someone can just swallow their feelings and be alone all the day. And someone like Kenny should throw their feelings out, blame someone. Like Rebecca said, you shouldn't expect him to just bounce back. Just wait a little and Kenny will be okay.
That's why I don't blame him. I only feel sorry for him.
this is pretty biased tbh.
Because just because somebody understands, doesn't mean that justifies it
Kenny has earned all the ire he gets from his actions and because he's selfish, impulsive, hot-tempered and mean, all the things Clementine isnt.
Of course Kenny cares for Clem. He said mean things yes but in grief. Look how much he cared for in Episode 2 and how he took the beating off Carver for her in Ep3? Im pretty sure he will make amends in ep5
No, not because of Clementine. Kenny is an adult, he is old enough to make decisions himself. Because of Kenny is why he went with the cabin group (really it was Carver but still). Don't blame that on Clementine. She didn't say "Kenny I found you! Now you have to stay with me and my new group.". Kenny made a choice and took the beating for Clementine (which I respect him for). If you MUST blame someone for that, blame Luke for getting caught. I blame Sarita for getting bitten but if you MUST blame someone else blame Carver. Clementine did not cause any of these things, other people did. But Kenny blames her and only her, and that's not okay with me. I know Kenny is an emotional man and her deals with pain that way. But its not right to treat someone that way just because its "how he deals with it".
Thank you! Its like he was trying to find all the cracks in Clementine's decision making confidence. He was trying to tear her down, and you could see it worked. I mean JANE she was better than Kenny "You did what you thought was right. That's all anyone could have done in that moment"
I personally love how people complain about the lack of emotion that characters show when other characters die, yet hate on the one character who actually does show realistic emotion when dealing with the death of another character.
People show grief in different ways. Some throw screaming tantrums, others turn to drink, or become catatonic, or bottle it up for the sake of moving on. I don't dislike Kenny for making children share his misery because I understand it to be his grieving mechanism, but I do dislike how his behavior is vehemently defended and excused by fans while other characters' reactions are undermined. People can do shitty things without having it be twisted into something excusable.
Love this comment! Kenny acted how 99% of us would. No matter how much you deny you'd be that cruel. It was realistic. Yes I was hurt. Yes I was angry. Yes I understood 100% where he was coming from. And yes it was 100% justified
Who's reactions have been undermined?
How??
Comparing losing Clematis parents, to katjaa and duck is not the same. It's pizza and ice cream again. Everyone knows they'll lose their parents at some point. Yes it was traumatic for an 8yr old to lose both. But she never saw their deaths. Kenny lost his child and the woman he intended to spend his whole life with. As hard as losing Lee was. At the end of the day, she'd only known him a few months. Not even on the same level of emotional attachment as a wife and child
It's your point of view. In my opinion, there's nothing to justify. But if you think wrong, I only respect it.
Luke's towards nick in episode 4
not by all i killed the walker and kenny still blamed clementine how can he blam her for getting bit he should have bin there not off with mike
My only problem with Kenny's apology is it takes being silent and not sticking up for yourself to get a small apology from him. That's the only way.
Shhhhhh. ....The anti Kenny folks have forgotten that!
And? I still don't see the point in comparing them, they are both drastically different characters with different backgrounds. Nobody's going to hate the character they are playing as..if they did it would be pretty hard to enjoy the game haha.
The "Clem response" made by The Zombie Flanders, it seems more influenced by personal opinion than an actual response I can hear Clem saying. Without our influence, I think Clem would be more neutral and less confrontational, especially with members of her group.
Exactly how I felt about Kenny.
I can say the exact same thing about everyone being upset with Luke for porking Jane instead of keeping an eye out for walkers. Not every character that fans keep putting on pedestals is a saint, but you know what? That's what makes them more relatable and therefore more interesting as characters. People make mistakes and when they feel they're at their lowest low, they feel they need to do something to relieve themselves of their stress...
Why would we want to waste our time with a story where every character is perfect and everything is all fine and dandy? Because that's what a boring story filled with boring characters is.
if you do the 'oppose Kenny' playthrough in s1, Kenny's actions/responses to Lee would impact Clem accordingly, and thus, could cause her to blow up at him just like he did at her (which is why I put "obviously this assumes certain choices made throughout s1&2" to start).
when you get down to it, if it didn't actually happen in-game, then everything here is just a matter of personal opinion.
That is a good point. I'll give you a thumbs up for that.
Why the fuck would anyone dislike this? I can't even begin to imagine what it'd be like to lose your own child.
Kenny is responsible for his actions. He yelled at and unfairly blamed a little girl who is his only family now.
Adults are accountable to act like adults. Part of that is treating people right, even when you're hurting.
Kenny was hurting. He should have given Clem a hug and said he knew it wasn't her fault. That's what family does. They support each other, not emotionally abuse each other. They cope in tough situations by caring for each other instead of only themselves.
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) instead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
I agree it's realistic and natural for Kenny to act like he did, because Kenny is often emotionally abusive. Clem should realize that she can't trust or be family with someone like Kenny and keep her distance.
I know. I don't get all these Kenny and Luke hate threads. Kenny essentially lost his eye for Clementine. Luke has been too nice this season anyways. Everyone got so pissed with them making one mistake.
No my friend no they haven't
The beating seems astoundingly heroic... until you realise he was the one who forced the walkie talkie into her pocket regardless of what she said. That led to her needing to check on Luke, then getting either slapped or manhandled by Troy. If Kenny didn't take responsibility after he forced her to take the walkie talkie, he'd have been a huge piece of shit. It's still heroic on some level that he took responsibility there knowing how crazy Carver was but it's hardly some giant landmark of awesomeness like it first appears. Oh yeah, smashing the face of a guy who was already dead by the second hit into mush right in front of a little girl you swore to protect is real heroic. Not going to fuck her up or anything. Lee MIGHT be proud of him for taking the beating, if he can get past Kenny forcing the talkie on her in the first place. He'd want to slap the shit out of him for wasting time killing Carver, especially with Clem there. And he'd just beat the shit out of him on the spot for saying what he did to Clem. Kenny is weak, he can't control his anger and spite and his love is only conditional.
This is how some people think and I can somewhat agree
You asked why Kenny gets more hate and I told you why I think that is. How he is as a person.