I have a feeling that the Save Lots Bandits have something to do with their resort to cannibalism, considering that they only had one cow and the bandits were threatening their lives for food, supposedly the bandits wanted meat, so considering they just can't give maybelle to the bandits they resorted to cannibalism, yeah they certainly could have hunted deer or other things, but perhaps that was too risky and a waste of time, as gunfire can potentially draw in dozens of walkers at you, then it probably got to the point where they got used to eating human meat and selling it, as far as 90 days goes, perhaps the outbreak started small, but then grew as time went on and not a whole lot of people knew about in the north until then, though I could be wrong.
It's a bit unrealistic it happened so fast after the outbreak, though. In the comic, we meet cannibals way over a year after the Zombie apocalypse started. In the game, it's about 90 Days.
He should know better than to beat up a fan favorite, force someone to slap a 15 year old, and kill an amputated man, not really smart, more generic, lazy, and really, really, idiotic.
Probably the Saint Johns. One episode and we're given time to talk to all three of them and see a bit of who they were before the outbreak. … moreThey served as a legitimate threat, drove everyone to the brink with choices like the meatlocker ultimatum, and had a satisfying final showdown involving the whole group.
The Stranger worked on me, and really made me question some of my actions, but I think the impact he has will definitely vary depending on your personal choices. (Especially if you didn't even want to steal from him in the first place)
Carver had the most potential to be a bit more complex and work through a group dynamic of his own, but he degenerated too quickly into a violent tyrant for my taste, and his story arc ended too soon, considering the amount of build-up he had.
He should know better than to beat up a fan favorite, force someone to slap a 15 year old, and kill an amputated man, not really smart, more generic, lazy, and really, really, idiotic.
You do that kind of shit, your people are going to hate you and call you 100% evil and want to kill you, would've been better if he were more interesting and less generic or cartoonish.
He should no better than to beat up a fan favorite, force someone to slap a 15 year old, and kill an amputated man
Carver was not an idiot, and how does any of that prove that he is?
Yet he really is pragmatic when it comes to the crimes you mentioned. A lot of people believe in corporal punishment towards grown men and children, and posture about being able to kill off weak links. That "cartoonish evil" is more the behavior of the kind of dictator who already exists in many countries.
You do that kind of shit, your people are going to hate you and call you 100% evil and want to kill you, would've been better if he were more interesting and less generic or cartoonish.
I don't know I guess the Stranger. He seemed the most human to me.
You have Carver, this psychopathic leader who rules a group with fear and keeping them alive. Bonnie at first thought he was good, and thought everything he did was justified, but he was acting the whole time. Heck, I think Luke suggested staying because Carver had supplies and they would have a better chance at surviving at Howe's Hardware, then out in the wilderness. Most of us remember what happened to Kenny, Walter, Reggie, and Alvin.
I wouldn't really touch on the Russian's yet since they may not have evil intentions and we no little of them at the moment.
The St Johns were cannibals who lured people in and ate them, and I guess send the leftovers to the bandits so they could leave them alone. I can't find any justification for eating people. When humans start eating humans, then they have become zombies.
Crawford doesn't really count, but after what we heard from Molly, and Vernon and Co, they weren't good.
But Stranger (Ugh why did they not give him a name) was "just a dad." He wasn't a smart crazy guy, a cannibal, a rapist, a theif or a killer for that matter. Some may argue he got most of the group killed, but I believe it unintentional, in the conversation with Lee, he seemed to be only interesting in hurting Lee bad. Plus if it was intentional to get the group killed, it would be kind of understandable as his wife, and daughter were killed because of them. When Lee told him he was bitten, the Stranger pitied him, and felt sorry. He also warned the group to get off the street.
I think he seemed the most realistic villain to me, and I know the other villains are probably better, and possibly could become real, but Stranger by far is one of my favorites villains of the series right now.
-The st. Johns and Carver scared me the most, both got in my head a bit.
-The Russians I don't have a view of, I need more time to make a judgement.
-Crawford - Hell on earth
-Bandits - every time they up, bad things happen. Its either the bandits do the bad stuff or aftwards the people left alive are put on edge after the attack and do the bandit's work.
It's just I don't find "dictator Carver" to be interesting and also I find him to be a missed opportunity when it comes to writing a character, TT build this character up to be a morally gray antagonist which may have an interesting backstory, but instead he's nothing more than a standard Walking Dead villain, doesn't help that episode 3 spends alot of time making sure you hate Carver's guts rather than build him up to be an interesting, tragic character that made decisions that would certainly be in the gray area, and I think alot of people are sick of the whole "only the strongest will survive" and it's not even that well handled in episode 3. As far as dictator's go, heh, come to think of it, dictators probably are 100% evil nut jobs who aren't interesting, although that's probably not even true.
Yet he really is pragmatic when it comes to the crimes you mentioned. A lot of people believe in corporal punishment towards grown men and … morechildren, and posture about being able to kill off weak links. That "cartoonish evil" is more the behavior of the kind of dictator who already exists in many countries.
That's true, meeting him in episode 2 gave me an impression that he will be much more interesting than he came out in ep3. We have what we have. He's a lil shit, but I like him.
It's just I don't find "dictator Carver" to be interesting and also I find him to be a missed opportunity when it comes to writing a charact… moreer, TT build this character up to be a morally gray antagonist which may have an interesting backstory, but instead he's nothing more than a standard Walking Dead villain, doesn't help that episode 3 spends alot of time making sure you hate Carver's guts rather than build him up to be an interesting, tragic character that made decisions that would certainly be in the gray area, and I think alot of people are sick of the whole "only the strongest will survive" and it's not even that well handled in episode 3. As far as dictator's go, heh, come to think of it, dictators probably are 100% evil nut jobs who aren't interesting, although that's probably not even true.
I'm joking. Well, if Carver would've been pretty much the same one that was introduced to us in episode two, I would've gone for him. However, since that wasn't the case....I'm gonna go for the St. Johns, their purpose was exact and perfectly executed. Also, let's not forget that dinner scene which always reminds me of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie(the first one) for some reason.
I never considered the stranger to be a villain and I pretty much ruled Crawford out from the start.
I think people had expected more from Telltale than what Episode 2 actually provided us with. Carver reeked of evil in his first appearance - ominous music, slimy voice, casual lying, feigned friendliness, torture, murder - and his characterization in Episode 3 was consistent with that. I bet the writers went down a check-list of how to write sociopaths because his character fits that mold perfectly.
However, if their intention really was to make him seem like a tragic villain/man broken under stress, they failed. We never see any glimmers of his humanity in Episode 3, and are forced to take Bonnie's word for it.
It's just I don't find "dictator Carver" to be interesting and also I find him to be a missed opportunity when it comes to writing a charact… moreer, TT build this character up to be a morally gray antagonist which may have an interesting backstory, but instead he's nothing more than a standard Walking Dead villain, doesn't help that episode 3 spends alot of time making sure you hate Carver's guts rather than build him up to be an interesting, tragic character that made decisions that would certainly be in the gray area, and I think alot of people are sick of the whole "only the strongest will survive" and it's not even that well handled in episode 3. As far as dictator's go, heh, come to think of it, dictators probably are 100% evil nut jobs who aren't interesting, although that's probably not even true.
Carver, an extremely intelligent and psychotic man with a thirst for power. the disturbing way in which he lures in his followers with his charisma, and then traps them with fear tactics reminds me a lot of how Charlie Manson operated with his "family".
The racoon had its reasons! Clem's hammer was worse, he just left her alone on the bridge while saving his ass by jumping into the river. I hope he's dead.
To each their own I guess, Carver in episode 2 was a better, more interesting antagonist than what we end up getting in episode 3, waste of interesting potential in my eyes.
I think people had expected more from Telltale than what Episode 2 actually provided us with. Carver reeked of evil in his first appearance… more - ominous music, slimy voice, casual lying, feigned friendliness, torture, murder - and his characterization in Episode 3 was consistent with that. I bet the writers went down a check-list of how to write sociopaths because his character fits that mold perfectly.
However, if their intention really was to make him seem like a tragic villain/man broken under stress, they failed. We never see any glimmers of his humanity in Episode 3, and are forced to take Bonnie's word for it.
Carver, an extremely intelligent and psychotic man with a thirst for power. the disturbing way in which he lures in his followers with his c… moreharisma, and then traps them with fear tactics reminds me a lot of how Charlie Manson operated with his "family".
I don't know how the season would have turned out if they hadn't dropped the Carver plotline halfway through, but he died before we really got to explore much depth to his character or the potentially good people of his community.
We could have seen reasons on why people believed that he was worth following and faced choices that concerned the moral ambiguity of his pragmatism, but he was just another madman in the end.
Carver, an extremely intelligent and psychotic man with a thirst for power. the disturbing way in which he lures in his followers with his c… moreharisma, and then traps them with fear tactics reminds me a lot of how Charlie Manson operated with his "family".
Carver. Or at least A House Divided Carver. I still thought he was a great villain in In Harm's Way, but he wasn't as intimidating as he was in 202 IMO.
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Buricko is pretty bad ass.
Carver
Crawford. He is never seen alive, but he was fucked up and his community was much worse than Carver's.
Andy St. John is one of my favorite characters, so I guess him as well.
I have a feeling that the Save Lots Bandits have something to do with their resort to cannibalism, considering that they only had one cow and the bandits were threatening their lives for food, supposedly the bandits wanted meat, so considering they just can't give maybelle to the bandits they resorted to cannibalism, yeah they certainly could have hunted deer or other things, but perhaps that was too risky and a waste of time, as gunfire can potentially draw in dozens of walkers at you, then it probably got to the point where they got used to eating human meat and selling it, as far as 90 days goes, perhaps the outbreak started small, but then grew as time went on and not a whole lot of people knew about in the north until then, though I could be wrong.
Carver. The intelligent evil is the most terrifying.
yeah, nate was just awesome, i would say he was chaotic neutral rather than evil or a villain
He's an idiot.
He definitely is not an idiot. He's an asshole, but not an idiot.
He should know better than to beat up a fan favorite, force someone to slap a 15 year old, and kill an amputated man, not really smart, more generic, lazy, and really, really, idiotic.
Winston…. He was the most fearsome villain!
His "Jesus, are you fucking kidding me" haunts me to this day!
I feel like it ended at the perfect time. If Carver would have survived, and if he hunted down the cabin group again, it would get stale.
Why not Sam? He betrayed Clementine ;-; lol
Carver was not an idiot, and how does any of that prove that he is?
You do that kind of shit, your people are going to hate you and call you 100% evil and want to kill you, would've been better if he were more interesting and less generic or cartoonish.
Carver no doubt.
Yet he really is pragmatic when it comes to the crimes you mentioned. A lot of people believe in corporal punishment towards grown men and children, and posture about being able to kill off weak links. That "cartoonish evil" is more the behavior of the kind of dictator who already exists in many countries.
Kenny
I don't know I guess the Stranger. He seemed the most human to me.
You have Carver, this psychopathic leader who rules a group with fear and keeping them alive. Bonnie at first thought he was good, and thought everything he did was justified, but he was acting the whole time. Heck, I think Luke suggested staying because Carver had supplies and they would have a better chance at surviving at Howe's Hardware, then out in the wilderness. Most of us remember what happened to Kenny, Walter, Reggie, and Alvin.
I wouldn't really touch on the Russian's yet since they may not have evil intentions and we no little of them at the moment.
The St Johns were cannibals who lured people in and ate them, and I guess send the leftovers to the bandits so they could leave them alone. I can't find any justification for eating people. When humans start eating humans, then they have become zombies.
Crawford doesn't really count, but after what we heard from Molly, and Vernon and Co, they weren't good.
But Stranger (Ugh why did they not give him a name) was "just a dad." He wasn't a smart crazy guy, a cannibal, a rapist, a theif or a killer for that matter. Some may argue he got most of the group killed, but I believe it unintentional, in the conversation with Lee, he seemed to be only interesting in hurting Lee bad. Plus if it was intentional to get the group killed, it would be kind of understandable as his wife, and daughter were killed because of them. When Lee told him he was bitten, the Stranger pitied him, and felt sorry. He also warned the group to get off the street.
I think he seemed the most realistic villain to me, and I know the other villains are probably better, and possibly could become real, but Stranger by far is one of my favorites villains of the series right now.
Probably Andy St. John.
"Boy, didn't you hear the bell? Dinner time!"
Carver was the scariest, but I hate the Stranger with my whole heart (don't touch my Clem) so I'm gonna go for him.
-The st. Johns and Carver scared me the most, both got in my head a bit.
-The Russians I don't have a view of, I need more time to make a judgement.
-Crawford - Hell on earth
-Bandits - every time they up, bad things happen. Its either the bandits do the bad stuff or aftwards the people left alive are put on edge after the attack and do the bandit's work.
This raccoon, is evil incarnate.
It's just I don't find "dictator Carver" to be interesting and also I find him to be a missed opportunity when it comes to writing a character, TT build this character up to be a morally gray antagonist which may have an interesting backstory, but instead he's nothing more than a standard Walking Dead villain, doesn't help that episode 3 spends alot of time making sure you hate Carver's guts rather than build him up to be an interesting, tragic character that made decisions that would certainly be in the gray area, and I think alot of people are sick of the whole "only the strongest will survive" and it's not even that well handled in episode 3. As far as dictator's go, heh, come to think of it, dictators probably are 100% evil nut jobs who aren't interesting, although that's probably not even true.
That's true, meeting him in episode 2 gave me an impression that he will be much more interesting than he came out in ep3. We have what we have. He's a lil shit, but I like him.
Hugh Bliss
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I'm joking. Well, if Carver would've been pretty much the same one that was introduced to us in episode two, I would've gone for him. However, since that wasn't the case....I'm gonna go for the St. Johns, their purpose was exact and perfectly executed. Also, let's not forget that dinner scene which always reminds me of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie(the first one) for some reason.
I never considered the stranger to be a villain and I pretty much ruled Crawford out from the start.
I think people had expected more from Telltale than what Episode 2 actually provided us with. Carver reeked of evil in his first appearance - ominous music, slimy voice, casual lying, feigned friendliness, torture, murder - and his characterization in Episode 3 was consistent with that. I bet the writers went down a check-list of how to write sociopaths because his character fits that mold perfectly.
However, if their intention really was to make him seem like a tragic villain/man broken under stress, they failed. We never see any glimmers of his humanity in Episode 3, and are forced to take Bonnie's word for it.
Carver, an extremely intelligent and psychotic man with a thirst for power. the disturbing way in which he lures in his followers with his charisma, and then traps them with fear tactics reminds me a lot of how Charlie Manson operated with his "family".
The racoon had its reasons! Clem's hammer was worse, he just left her alone on the bridge while saving his ass by jumping into the river. I hope he's dead.
To each their own I guess, Carver in episode 2 was a better, more interesting antagonist than what we end up getting in episode 3, waste of interesting potential in my eyes.
Kinda of reminds me of The Governor from the comics a little bit.
I don't know how the season would have turned out if they hadn't dropped the Carver plotline halfway through, but he died before we really got to explore much depth to his character or the potentially good people of his community.
We could have seen reasons on why people believed that he was worth following and faced choices that concerned the moral ambiguity of his pragmatism, but he was just another madman in the end.
Carver reminds me of my dad. He is a good guy as long as you don't piss him off.
Telltale sigh...
To be honest. Carver has been the only villian in the whole season.
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Lurkers, definetly Lurkers.
The St Johns were alot more interesting villains as a group, but as a singular villain, i would have to go with Carver.
Carver. Or at least A House Divided Carver. I still thought he was a great villain in In Harm's Way, but he wasn't as intimidating as he was in 202 IMO.