What happend to Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo? EP5 SPOILERS

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  • I didn't say that Arvo wanted nothing to do with his group, although it is very possible.

    My point is that the dialogue translation shows that Arvo and Natasha wanted Buricko to back off of our group. That isn't interpreting anything, nor a theory. Now, if the actual translations were available right now, I'd be happy to add a link so that you could see it for yourself.

    Arvo leads them to us with the intention to rob, nobody is there without him. Arvo mocks clementine and her group (either im sorry clemen

  • Clem would have died and end the series. THANKS TO YOU.

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    AronDracula posted: »

    Arvo had every right to shoot Clementine My reaction when you said that: enter link description here What do you mean he was r

  • Thank you, BetterToSleep.

    It's not like Arvo lead his group to Clementine's with the full intention to rob them -- Buricko seemed to be the one pulling all the strings. Heck, Arvo wasn't even armed which could mean one of two things: 1. The gun Arvo had was one of the only four guns they were carrying. 2. Buricko didn't care enough to actually give Arvo a gun when he was sent to confront Clementine's group. Either way, it's not entirely Arvo's fault as to why the Russians came after the group in the first place... (Not saying it's also not his fault, as he probably told them his gun was stolen no matter what.)

    By the way, how did you find out that Kenny was the one who shot Natasha? Was it, or did he, mention it somewhere? o:

    Did you know that the translation of the dialogue tells us that both Arvo and Natasha opposed to the idea of ambushing the group, while Vita

  • They want them to not shoot and calm down, there still showing up there to rob the group, arvo is the whole reason they are there in the first place

    I didn't say that Arvo wanted nothing to do with his group, although it is very possible. My point is that the dialogue translation shows

  • dojo32161dojo32161 Moderator

    Personally, I don't blame them for leaving, but leaving no supplies behind was just cold and bad writing.

    I don't think it's completely bad writing, but it's just weird that if Bonnie's dead they only take one bag yet somehow they took both. I like to imagine Arvo hurriedly rushing back and snatching the last bag.

  • Arvo lead his group to attack us because Jane disarmed, robbed, and threatened him. I think he had every intention of killing Clementine, and it was a slime-ball move, considering I turned over my gun to Mike. I'm not excusing him, but Jane did set the chain of events in motion. If she had let him go, they probably wouldn't have bothered us or if we encountered them, they wouldn't have been immediately hostile.

    They want them to not shoot and calm down, there still showing up there to rob the group, arvo is the whole reason they are there in the first place

  • We don't know what they took, if anything. It happened offscreen.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Personally, I don't blame them for leaving, but leaving no supplies behind was just cold and bad writing. I don't think it's complet

  • Mike was the weakest, most underdeveloped character in the whole game. He had the least dialogue of any of the characters, expect maybe Alvin. I couldn't care less if he comes back or not. It takes all types but he was just boring and an extra body for the escapee group. It was clear from the beginning that Jane was the one we were supposed to care about and would be important to the plot. If anyone from Season 2 comes back, I hope it's Christa. A Season 3 subplot with Arvo could potentially be cool, but people who were sympathetic toward him seem to be in the minority, whereas characters like Kenny, Jane, and Lilly have as many supporters as detractors. For that reason, I don't think Arvo will be back, at least not in a big way. Bonnie is not dead, she is determinant.

  • The group leader, presumably Buricko, ordered the ambush/attack. Arvo probably told his group Jane took his gun and the medicine, but as a teen boy, I doubt he was calling the shots. They made the choice to be there.

    Oh please he is beyond stupid for thinking that, its still all his fault for her being there in the first place

  • Agreed, @zombiebonnie.

    Jane is one of my favorite characters, but I've always said that Arvo's crew ambushing our own group is on Jane, and determinantly Clementine. His crew doesn't strike me as the kind that hides in the bushes for days until somebody who they can rob walks by. That was retaliation, more than anything.

    Arvo lead his group to attack us because Jane disarmed, robbed, and threatened him. I think he had every intention of killing Clementine, an

  • I recall that Arvo himself mentioned it somewhere, though I am not sure if it was part of the translations in question. It would make sense if Arvo despises Kenny because of that, though. However, given that it happened off-screen, and that the entire stand-off and firefight was messy as hell, I never know if you should take it seriously.

    Auruo posted: »

    Thank you, BetterToSleep. It's not like Arvo lead his group to Clementine's with the full intention to rob them -- Buricko seemed to be t

  • It was so unrealistic that no one in Clementine's group died in the firefight or was even injured (except Luke and only because he left cover). It was almost point blank range.

    I recall that Arvo himself mentioned it somewhere, though I am not sure if it was part of the translations in question. It would make sense

  • And we can't forget the following either…

    • Buricko never did shoot at our group's general direction.

    • Buricko and Vitali took a break to exchange weapons.

    • AJ, who was lying on Rebecca's corpse's lap, flew ten feet and landed onto the ground.

    • Mike was shot by an unseen sniper, since Natasha was dead, Arvo was performing chest compressions on her, a wounded Buricko was shooting at Luke, and Vitali was exchanging stray shots with Kenny.

    • Buricko was shooting with a shotgun at Luke with one fucking arm.

    • Luke says that it is a bad idea to let Buricko waste his ammunition.

    It was so unrealistic that no one in Clementine's group died in the firefight or was even injured (except Luke and only because he left cover). It was almost point blank range.

  • I'm hoping that the trio will make a return at some point in the series but considering how pretty big characters such as Lily, Molly and Christa haven't made a reappearance, there were only references towards them(although Lily can appear in S2E5 during the flashback), I don't think it's very likely.

  • edited July 2016

    So in your head their justified to steal all the groups supplies because jane takes the kids gun off him and tells him to leave? Most people didnt take anything from arvo and he still leads the group straight to clementine to rob them. He doesnt lead them to them because of Jane, if so why wouldnt he immediately notice jane is not there? If his entire focus is to get back at Jane he should notice this immediately, however his intention is likely to steal instead as given the groups organization it appears they have done this before. There was nothing nervous about arvo in the scene to begin with

    "Put down your guns so we can take your things"

    He only becomes nervous when our groups point guns at them... how dare we, poor arvo just wanted to steal. I admit he becomes a bit horrified whe he realizes his group is robbing another with an infant, clearly he isnt enough of a bandit yet to have got that cold.

    Honestly his group are a better written bandit group, unlike the faceless rapist druggies from the first season, this group were actual people.

    Agreed, @zombiebonnie. Jane is one of my favorite characters, but I've always said that Arvo's crew ambushing our own group is on Jane, a

  • The group leader, presumably Buricko, ordered the ambush/attack.

    Where is the proof of this, Buricko from the dialogue is basically there groups kenny who goes off and attacks, that doesnt mean the rest didnt plan the ambush out

    Arvo probably told his group Jane took his gun and the medicine,

    Again all probablies, maybe he just let them know about a new group of targets.

    The group leader, presumably Buricko, ordered the ambush/attack. Arvo probably told his group Jane took his gun and the medicine, but as a teen boy, I doubt he was calling the shots. They made the choice to be there.

  • Yeah when you think of it, if Clementine were in his situation she would be in the right.

    Chromid posted: »

    Jesus Christ, I'm reading through what everyone's saying and.... y'all are absolutely terrifying. This is Lilly from S1 all over again, you

  • I cannot speak Russian (if that was what you meant by mentioning me) although I know Natasha was Arvo's sestrushka (sister). B)

    I am from Balkan, sorry for not helping. There are some Russian members here though..

    Did you know that the translation of the dialogue tells us that both Arvo and Natasha opposed to the idea of ambushing the group, while Vita

  • I don't care what happens to Bonnie, but I'm willing to forgive Mike, since he is bae. Arvo though, we'll see. I'll probably let him live. I don't think he deserves to die.

  • I am disappointed that the Season3 had nothing to do with the last Season's. Every Gamer who played the first 2Season's wouldn't buy the Season3 when there's no includings about the continue.
    For me and ma friends was the The Walking dead so interesting because it wasn't a typical zombie game.. it was a game which bounds me on my Couch.. now the Season3 is an new idea without continues of the last Season's.. Clem is older.. your choices in the last season's where gone and what's with the characters ..
    When I came in contact with the first Season I was positive surprised that I couldn't wait and run to the Games Store and get the Second Season..
    And at that time I was so horny for the third Season.. but it hurts and disappoints me to see that 'The Walking Dead' died faster as it was born!

    What a great pity

    :(

  • I was so horny for the third Season.

    :/

    I am disappointed that the Season3 had nothing to do with the last Season's. Every Gamer who played the first 2Season's wouldn't buy the Sea

  • edited July 2016

    What are you talking about?

    I am disappointed that the Season3 had nothing to do with the last Season's. Every Gamer who played the first 2Season's wouldn't buy the Sea

  • Dude, Season 3 wasn't released and you're complaining for nothing. You just saw a teaser, a teaser trailer isn't supposed to answer all your questions, goddammit.

    I am disappointed that the Season3 had nothing to do with the last Season's. Every Gamer who played the first 2Season's wouldn't buy the Sea

  • edited July 2016

    Just wait until Season 3 comes out. You might be surprised. And don't forget the game is still in the works, so there is still time to make changes before it is released.

    I am disappointed that the Season3 had nothing to do with the last Season's. Every Gamer who played the first 2Season's wouldn't buy the Sea

  • There are some Russian members here though

    I imagine they're very pissed off.

    MarijaaNo7 posted: »

    I cannot speak Russian (if that was what you meant by mentioning me) although I know Natasha was Arvo's sestrushka (sister). I am from Balkan, sorry for not helping. There are some Russian members here though..

  • Oh, interesting!

    I don't know where I took from that you were Russian though. You know, when you are in a forum, you have to try and collect as much information as possible to be talking to real people rather than handles with a picture. Maybe I made it up on the way, LOL.

    although I know Natasha was Arvo's sestrushka (sister). B)

    Im-pressed!

    MarijaaNo7 posted: »

    I cannot speak Russian (if that was what you meant by mentioning me) although I know Natasha was Arvo's sestrushka (sister). I am from Balkan, sorry for not helping. There are some Russian members here though..

  • edited July 2016

    its bigger than a shot to the shoulder. they took the ONLY food we have KNOWING we have a child. PLUS they wanted to take the car too! wtf is that? clem did NOTHING to arvo or mike or bonnie. the fact arvo shot A KID "clem" with NO reason. plus the rest flew with NO care in the world if clem makes it or not. they simply did not care enough and thought of themselves. this may differ as who each one of us playes clem, but I simply cared for everyone. so that betrayel was extra hard for me and a character like clem who I've built as caring as a person can be, its a betrayel. and if I saw them I wont choose mercy.

    Auruo posted: »

    So, just because Arvo shot Clementine in the shoulder, when he could have easily shot to kill her, means he deserves death? He's just a kid

  • I'd like to point out a small, yet significant detail in Arvo's expression at the end, right when he shot Clementine. Depending on WHAT YOU DID to him (try to speak to him, stop Kenny from bullying him etc.), Arvo will either glare at Clementine (shooting deliberately) or look quite shocked (he might have triggered the gun by accident or fear or quite both). So, it's either our fault or his for getting shot! xD

    Chromid posted: »

    Jesus Christ, I'm reading through what everyone's saying and.... y'all are absolutely terrifying. This is Lilly from S1 all over again, you

  • Hahaha, true! Kinda weird when your avatar is a zombie.. ●__●

    Oh, interesting! I don't know where I took from that you were Russian though. You know, when you are in a forum, you have to try and coll

  • edited October 2016

    My life will not be complete unless they return and I have the option to fucking execute them on the spot

    Edit: They were going to leave four people, two of whom were fucking children, in the middle of a winter wasteland with no food or transportation. If Clementine hadn't woken up and caught them, her and the baby would probably be fucking dead. If I ever see them again, the first thing I'm doing is pulling out whatever weapon I have on me.

  • My best friend is a native Ukrainian and is fluent in Russian. He could probably translate some of the dialogue.

    There are some Russian members here though I imagine they're very pissed off.

  • Cool

    My best friend is a native Ukrainian and is fluent in Russian. He could probably translate some of the dialogue.

  • Wait, seriously? Do you have screenshots?

    Lazy_DC posted: »

    I'd like to point out a small, yet significant detail in Arvo's expression at the end, right when he shot Clementine. Depending on WHAT YOU

  • Bonnie could have died back in the lake, but in my playthrough she is alive (I cracked the ice) and escaped on foot with Arvo and Mike.

  • I think that Kenny and Jane probably chased them away. I mean, they were afraid of Kenny so he could easily get them to run. I guess Jane and Kenny then put those bandages on Clementine and drove away. This seems to be a kind of unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't kill any of them unless it was neccessary. Would I kill them in self-defense? Yep. Would I just shoot them one million times with a machine gun and laugh as their bodies jump up and down from the bullets? No. I definitely get why you would want to get revenge, but that's not really my thing.

  • I think that maybe the remnants of the Carver group will separate Kenny from Clementine if you stayed with him. Although anything can happen.

    Clem: My boy

    Kenny726 posted: »

    I think that Kenny and Jane probably chased them away. I mean, they were afraid of Kenny so he could easily get them to run. I guess Jane an

  • Maybe. There is definitely a lot they could've done with the 400 Days characters. I can't wait any longer for Season 3. I hope we get a little more news at at Comic Con.

    I think that maybe the remnants of the Carver group will separate Kenny from Clementine if you stayed with him. Although anything can happen. Clem: My boy

  • And that means our final choices in s2 wont amount to much.

    Sincerely I want to ask—how is our choice's importance determined by whether a minute has passed or two years have passed? I can't see a way in which it correlates.

    Writers might sometimes use major time-skips in order to free themselves of the burden of making our choices matter, but that doesn't mean that all time-skips invalidate our choices.

  • edited July 2016

    Was there ever any footage of what the dialogue option is if you drown Bonnie and shoot Mike in the unpatched PS3 version? I always wondered what Clementine's dialogue option about Bonnie would change to if only Arvo survived.

  • I haven't seen any, but I could try it out if you want. I still have my [Shoot Mike] files on PC.

    Nikolaj-11 posted: »

    Was there ever any footage of what the dialogue option is if you drown Bonnie and shoot Mike in the unpatched PS3 version? I always wondered what Clementine's dialogue option about Bonnie would change to if only Arvo survived.

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