You can't know what would you do because not many of us know how does it feel to lose everything. I mean you can try and predict, of course. But we don't know what we would do in Kenny's situation. Maybe we would try to talk with Jane and understand why she left a little baby or maybe we could try to kill her. I'm just saying that I understand Kenny was angry and all, though not exactly approve that he killed Jane. He is a broken man and he thought that he lost something again.
Yeah, I would be angry but when Clementine told me to listen to the explanation, I wouldn't shove her to the ground so I could keep trying t… moreo attack Jane. I would listen and try to understand what happened. After that, we'd see what happened but Kenny was just in a murderous rage at that point.
Jane lost everything she had too, everyone has lost the people they loved, Jane never actually said AJ was dead, she may have implied it but… more she even said that she DIDN'T kill AJ, Kenny accused her for killing the baby when she didn't(it was at least obvious for me that Jane was hiding the baby). She didn't intentionally try to kill Kenny, her intention was to convince Clementine to leave with her and not with Kenny, she obviously knew what she had done and that she didn't truly mean to get Kenny killed. So what if she lied? Most of the characters have lied, does that mean they deserve to die? Allot of characters manipulated others, does that mean they deserve to die? Anyone who resorts to killing a living being is disgusting, but do they still have to die for that? All of these traits are similar to many other characters, including determinantly Clementine AND Lee, Kenny himself has lied, used manipulative tactics and did disgusting things, … [view original content]
Of course all I can do is predict what I would do in a speculation based on what I know of myself and how I played the game. I know I would not act like Kenny because I have had a lot of disdain for his actions all the way back to in season one when he left Shawn to die. He has been breaking for a long long time and he is by no means the only person who has experienced a lot of horrible loss. They all have.
You can't know what would you do because not many of us know how does it feel to lose everything. I mean you can try and predict, of course.… more But we don't know what we would do in Kenny's situation. Maybe we would try to talk with Jane and understand why she left a little baby or maybe we could try to kill her. I'm just saying that I understand Kenny was angry and all, though not exactly approve that he killed Jane. He is a broken man and he thought that he lost something again.
I suppose you're right but not all of them lost everyone. Luke had Nick who was his friend, Nick had Pete, Rebecca and Alvin were together, Carlos had Sarah etc. I mean look at Christa for example. She lost Omid and after that I had a feeling that she's blaming Clementine. She definitely was kind of broken. With Kenny it's complicated but like I said earlier - no one is perfect. Kenny made a lot of mistakes of course but he also did a lot of good things - helped Lee in looking for Clementine, helped Rebbeca with the baby in episode 4. I'm not saying that because of that he's good or bad person. I'm just saying that he's complicated character. Sometimes Kenny do crazy things but also he helped in other situations.
Of course all I can do is predict what I would do in a speculation based on what I know of myself and how I played the game. I know I would… more not act like Kenny because I have had a lot of disdain for his actions all the way back to in season one when he left Shawn to die. He has been breaking for a long long time and he is by no means the only person who has experienced a lot of horrible loss. They all have.
Kenny lives to see AJ and Clem safe. He's a family man, a father and a husband more than anything else. When it's taken away from him, he shatters because that is his identity. Kenny finds something to live for when finding Sarita, he finds something worth living for when he has AJ. He's soft around Clem because he is, in his heart, a family man.
Joel, too, is a family man. A father with no daughter, holding onto the broken watch as a reminder of his loss. Once warming up to Ellie, Joel becomes her guardian, much like Kenny does for AJ and Clem. They both fight and survive for the ones they care most about, because them being together reinforces their identities as fathers. It's who they are, and they'd both kill whoever stands in their way when it comes to that.
I'm not calling him the devil. I think there's a decent man in there or he would not have married such a sweet woman as Katjaa. I just think he has a lot of faults, and so does everyone, but it kind of bothers me that some fans excuse everything he does and blame others for doing the same things.
I suppose you're right but not all of them lost everyone. Luke had Nick who was his friend, Nick had Pete, Rebecca and Alvin were together, … moreCarlos had Sarah etc. I mean look at Christa for example. She lost Omid and after that I had a feeling that she's blaming Clementine. She definitely was kind of broken. With Kenny it's complicated but like I said earlier - no one is perfect. Kenny made a lot of mistakes of course but he also did a lot of good things - helped Lee in looking for Clementine, helped Rebbeca with the baby in episode 4. I'm not saying that because of that he's good or bad person. I'm just saying that he's complicated character. Sometimes Kenny do crazy things but also he helped in other situations.
True, but who's to say that the cure would have helped anyone other than the fireflies? I bet that if they had killed Ellie and found the cure, they would have used it as leverage to get more power.
Does anyone remember that Joel possibly killed the last possible saviors of humanity (the brain surgeons who were about to cure humanity) wh… moreen they were about to operate on Ellie? And some people are comparing Kenny to him for killing Jane for wanting to fight him in a death match, and she lost.
Yep. I'm done.
Well, I already said that I don't like that he killed Jane. I don't. I understand his point of view in that situation but I don't support his action. I just couldn't kill him in that moment, you know? I had so much history with him and in my opinion he's a nice guy sometimes but not always. Sometimes he's just losing but that's what apocalypse does to some people after 2 years. For example I'm a little angry at him because of Walter. It's not entirely his fault but he caused it indirectly. I'm also upset about how he treat me in episode 4. I understand what he felt but I'm still a uncomfortable with it.
So like I said - I'm not making excuses for him. I know how he act. Sometimes he's a good man but in other situations he's acting like ass****. It's who he is and he has reasons to be like that sometimes.
I'm not calling him the devil. I think there's a decent man in there or he would not have married such a sweet woman as Katjaa. I just think… more he has a lot of faults, and so does everyone, but it kind of bothers me that some fans excuse everything he does and blame others for doing the same things.
No, Jane is Shane. She pushed Kenny's buttons to try and trick Clem into thinking he's the bad guy. All because she wants Clem to herself. Sounds like something Shane would do.
No, Jane is Shane. She pushed Kenny's buttons to try and trick Clem into thinking he's the bad guy. All because she wants Clem to herself. Sounds like something Shane would do.
I would have killed her too, the only thing that is driving Kenny to live is AJ and Kenny, and then she kills a fucking baby? Nothing to reason with, she admit that it was a bad plan, she was looking for a fight.
Joel possibly killed the last hope of humanity because he couldn't let go of Ellie. And yet I never, ever see anyone criticizing him for choosing family above all, and killing anyone that gets in-between them.
If it was Joel or Rick in the same situation, where someone told them they killed their kid, they WOULD have tried to kill them too.
Would you have the guts to come up to Joel or Rick and tell them you killed their kids? It's clear to me what they'd try to do to you.
Kenny was erratic and hot tempered. He removed his restraints in episode 3 in the back of the truck in spite of everyone's objections - they knew it could lead to collective punishment but did he listen? No. He attacked Mike at Howes even though Mike was just trying to keep him out of trouble. He tortured a kid who was completely at his mercy.
All Shane qualities.
Rick preferred to talk over violence. Kenny never talked anything out. Rick tried to bring Shane back into the fold no matter what Shane did wrong. Kenny wrote people off if they ever disagreed with him. Rick listened to the group and tried to keep the peace. Kenny instigates arguments and never listened to anyone.
No, Jane is Shane. She pushed Kenny's buttons to try and trick Clem into thinking he's the bad guy. All because she wants Clem to herself. Sounds like something Shane would do.
Hitting someone with a fist in anger is not the same as pulling out a knife and slashing someone. That is escalating a fight.
If Jane wasnt a woman, or if this happened in front of you - someone provoking someone into attacking them, and then pulling out a deadly weapon against an unarmed person... yeah I see all the support she would receive.
Kenny was erratic and hot tempered. He removed his restraints in episode 3 in the back of the truck in spite of everyone's objections - they… more knew it could lead to collective punishment but did he listen? No. He attacked Mike at Howes even though Mike was just trying to keep him out of trouble. He tortured a kid who was completely at his mercy.
All Shane qualities.
Rick preferred to talk over violence. Kenny never talked anything out. Rick tried to bring Shane back into the fold no matter what Shane did wrong. Kenny wrote people off if they ever disagreed with him. Rick listened to the group and tried to keep the peace. Kenny instigates arguments and never listened to anyone.
All Shane qualities.
In Shane's eyes Rick was going to get Carl and Lori killed. He had every right to be angry with Rick and Lori. They were going to pretend like the baby wasn't Shane's when everybody knew it was Shane's baby. There are a lot of legitimate reasons why Shane lost his marbles. But in the end it didn't matter what his reasons were, it mattered what his actions were.
His ultimate goal was selfless though, unlike Shane.
Shane wanted Rick dead because HE wanted to be with Lori. "You ruined everything, Rick!" - It was kind of a selfish reason.
Kenny's goal was always the safety of the kids, despite his means.
And she might have lived if she would've mentioned the baby was alive when he had a knife to her chest. However that wasn't good enough for her. Instead she decided it was gonna be her or Kenny. Glad I didn't get suckered in.
I think an experiment is a best thing.
All the Jane people, go with your family member who has a baby near a river. Ask to carry a baby just for a little while.
Get out of sight and hide the baby.
Come back and say It was an accident when they ask you where the baby is
Then tell us how your relatives reacted.
Joel possibly killed the last hope of humanity because he couldn't let go of Ellie. And yet I never, ever see anyone criticizing him for cho… moreosing family above all, and killing anyone that gets in-between them.
If it was Joel or Rick in the same situation, where someone told them they killed their kid, they WOULD have tried to kill them too.
Would you have the guts to come up to Joel or Rick and tell them you killed their kids? It's clear to me what they'd try to do to you.
No, Jane is Shane. She pushed Kenny's buttons to try and trick Clem into thinking he's the bad guy. All because she wants Clem to herself. Sounds like something Shane would do.
I don't know if I would really draw parallels between Kenny/Rick Grimes apart from their need to protect their kin. Kenny throughout the series has shown to be somewhat biast based on what he thinks is the correct choice, where as Rick (who also has his moments of selfishness), has shown the majority of his decisions are based on what would be the most positive outcome for the greater group. Lee would arguably be more aligned to Rick than Kenny is.
FYI - Assuming this is Graphic Novel Rick? I haven't seen the TV version of Walking dead, are they potrayed the same? is the TV show any good?
Joel is a closer match to Kenny, but even more of a reflection of Jane. They are both loners, self-serving and pretty much broken until they find their placebo's to fill the voids in their life e.g. Sarah/Ellie, Jamie/Clem. They both even end up lying in the end to get what they want (I'm actually quite shocked that everyone was disappointed with the ending of the Last of Us, I thought it fit his character perfectly).
She was as much in that fight. She provoked it, she brought the knife in, she refused when Clem told her to run. She got to finish that fight and that ended up with her dead.
* Kenny became possessive of a kid that wasn't his. Like Shane with Carl.
* Kenny was in constant conflict with the group. Like Shane.
* K… moreenny was argumentative and hot tempered. Like Shane.
* Kenny was becoming increasingly erratic. Like Shane.
* Kenny tortured a defenseless teenager. Like Shane.
* Kenny was angry and reckless. Like Shane.
Does anyone remember that Joel possibly killed the last possible saviors of humanity (the brain surgeons who were about to cure humanity) wh… moreen they were about to operate on Ellie? And some people are comparing Kenny to him for killing Jane for wanting to fight him in a death match, and she lost.
Yep. I'm done.
I think an experiment is a best thing.
All the Jane people, go with your family member who has a baby near a river. Ask to carry a baby ju… morest for a little while.
Get out of sight and hide the baby.
Come back and say It was an accident when they ask you where the baby is
Then tell us how your relatives reacted.
Yeah, Except when he murders a shit ton of fireflies and destroys even the slightest chance of a cure. (I would too if I had been through that much with a person)
Good GAWD I'm just saying. Joel saved Ellie at the cost of humanity's future. (Possibly, there's no way to say this actually could've worked.) I'm not gonna debate what it could've done, other than people do things much worse for the sake of someone/something they love. And what Joel did was far worse in comparison to Kenny killing Jane.
I love Joel, and I would've done the same if I were in his shoes.
I love Kenny, and I would've handled things the same way as Kenny more than likely.
And of course they could've used it as leverage, they were possibly holding humanity's future in their hands.
The fact is, all these games/movies/comics seem to teach us one very important thing.
Family is important if not the most important thing in a dying world. At the end of the day, at the end of everything, it's all we have left. And it doesn't matter if they share the same blood.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried to find a cure here but, Joel saw his daughter in Ellie, and wouldn't be able to deal with her loss. If you had a daughter, would you sacrifice her to save humanity?
Good GAWD I'm just saying. Joel saved Ellie at the cost of humanity's future. (Possibly, there's no way to say this actually could've worked… more.) I'm not gonna debate what it could've done, other than people do things much worse for the sake of someone/something they love. And what Joel did was far worse in comparison to Kenny killing Jane.
I love Joel, and I would've done the same if I were in his shoes.
I love Kenny, and I would've handled things the same way as Kenny more than likely.
And of course they could've used it as leverage, they were possibly holding humanity's future in their hands.
The fact is, all these games/movies/comics seem to teach us one very important thing.
Family is important if not the most important thing in a dying world. At the end of the day, at the end of everything, it's all we have left. And it doesn't matter if they share the same blood.
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You can't know what would you do because not many of us know how does it feel to lose everything. I mean you can try and predict, of course.
But we don't know what we would do in Kenny's situation. Maybe we would try to talk with Jane and understand why she left a little baby or maybe we could try to kill her. I'm just saying that I understand Kenny was angry and all, though not exactly approve that he killed Jane. He is a broken man and he thought that he lost something again.
"How could you kill a f*ckign child"
"It was an accident"
That's confirmation right there, afterwards she never denies being a babykiller.
Of course all I can do is predict what I would do in a speculation based on what I know of myself and how I played the game. I know I would not act like Kenny because I have had a lot of disdain for his actions all the way back to in season one when he left Shawn to die. He has been breaking for a long long time and he is by no means the only person who has experienced a lot of horrible loss. They all have.
The amount of idiocy in this thread, we are talking about a BABY who was lost, Jane never mentioned that she killed it or anything.
Kenny season 3.
I suppose you're right but not all of them lost everyone. Luke had Nick who was his friend, Nick had Pete, Rebecca and Alvin were together, Carlos had Sarah etc. I mean look at Christa for example. She lost Omid and after that I had a feeling that she's blaming Clementine. She definitely was kind of broken. With Kenny it's complicated but like I said earlier - no one is perfect. Kenny made a lot of mistakes of course but he also did a lot of good things - helped Lee in looking for Clementine, helped Rebbeca with the baby in episode 4. I'm not saying that because of that he's good or bad person. I'm just saying that he's complicated character. Sometimes Kenny do crazy things but also he helped in other situations.
Kenny lives to see AJ and Clem safe. He's a family man, a father and a husband more than anything else. When it's taken away from him, he shatters because that is his identity. Kenny finds something to live for when finding Sarita, he finds something worth living for when he has AJ. He's soft around Clem because he is, in his heart, a family man.
Joel, too, is a family man. A father with no daughter, holding onto the broken watch as a reminder of his loss. Once warming up to Ellie, Joel becomes her guardian, much like Kenny does for AJ and Clem. They both fight and survive for the ones they care most about, because them being together reinforces their identities as fathers. It's who they are, and they'd both kill whoever stands in their way when it comes to that.
He's not really like Joel....
Joel stays calm most of the time.
I'm not calling him the devil. I think there's a decent man in there or he would not have married such a sweet woman as Katjaa. I just think he has a lot of faults, and so does everyone, but it kind of bothers me that some fans excuse everything he does and blame others for doing the same things.
True, but who's to say that the cure would have helped anyone other than the fireflies? I bet that if they had killed Ellie and found the cure, they would have used it as leverage to get more power.
Well, I already said that I don't like that he killed Jane. I don't. I understand his point of view in that situation but I don't support his action. I just couldn't kill him in that moment, you know? I had so much history with him and in my opinion he's a nice guy sometimes but not always. Sometimes he's just losing but that's what apocalypse does to some people after 2 years. For example I'm a little angry at him because of Walter. It's not entirely his fault but he caused it indirectly. I'm also upset about how he treat me in episode 4. I understand what he felt but I'm still a uncomfortable with it.
So like I said - I'm not making excuses for him. I know how he act. Sometimes he's a good man but in other situations he's acting like ass****. It's who he is and he has reasons to be like that sometimes.
Kenny was Shane, not Rick. He acted like Clem and AJ were his when they weren't. He became possessive to the point of madness.
I didn't read that...
No, Jane is Shane. She pushed Kenny's buttons to try and trick Clem into thinking he's the bad guy. All because she wants Clem to herself. Sounds like something Shane would do.
You should really try that way, killed my feels..
Well put Tasty
I would have killed her too, the only thing that is driving Kenny to live is AJ and Kenny, and then she kills a fucking baby? Nothing to reason with, she admit that it was a bad plan, she was looking for a fight.
Joel possibly killed the last hope of humanity because he couldn't let go of Ellie. And yet I never, ever see anyone criticizing him for choosing family above all, and killing anyone that gets in-between them.
If it was Joel or Rick in the same situation, where someone told them they killed their kid, they WOULD have tried to kill them too.
Would you have the guts to come up to Joel or Rick and tell them you killed their kids? It's clear to me what they'd try to do to you.
Kenny was erratic and hot tempered. He removed his restraints in episode 3 in the back of the truck in spite of everyone's objections - they knew it could lead to collective punishment but did he listen? No. He attacked Mike at Howes even though Mike was just trying to keep him out of trouble. He tortured a kid who was completely at his mercy.
All Shane qualities.
Rick preferred to talk over violence. Kenny never talked anything out. Rick tried to bring Shane back into the fold no matter what Shane did wrong. Kenny wrote people off if they ever disagreed with him. Rick listened to the group and tried to keep the peace. Kenny instigates arguments and never listened to anyone.
All Shane qualities.
Hitting someone with a fist in anger is not the same as pulling out a knife and slashing someone. That is escalating a fight.
If Jane wasnt a woman, or if this happened in front of you - someone provoking someone into attacking them, and then pulling out a deadly weapon against an unarmed person... yeah I see all the support she would receive.
His ultimate goal was selfless though, unlike Shane.
Shane wanted Rick dead because HE wanted to be with Lori. "You ruined everything, Rick!" - It was kind of a selfish reason.
Kenny's goal was always the safety of the kids, despite his means.
Amen brotha!
In Shane's eyes Rick was going to get Carl and Lori killed. He had every right to be angry with Rick and Lori. They were going to pretend like the baby wasn't Shane's when everybody knew it was Shane's baby. There are a lot of legitimate reasons why Shane lost his marbles. But in the end it didn't matter what his reasons were, it mattered what his actions were.
And she might have lived if she would've mentioned the baby was alive when he had a knife to her chest. However that wasn't good enough for her. Instead she decided it was gonna be her or Kenny. Glad I didn't get suckered in.
Kenny is not a Rick. Rick tries to unite the group if there's bad blood. Kenny would rather start shit than end it.
I think an experiment is a best thing.
All the Jane people, go with your family member who has a baby near a river. Ask to carry a baby just for a little while.
Get out of sight and hide the baby.
Come back and say It was an accident when they ask you where the baby is
Then tell us how your relatives reacted.
"I didn't kill him!" ~Jane
The line was "I didn't kill him, it was an accident."
yeah jane is shane, kenny is rick
Hey great topic.
I don't know if I would really draw parallels between Kenny/Rick Grimes apart from their need to protect their kin. Kenny throughout the series has shown to be somewhat biast based on what he thinks is the correct choice, where as Rick (who also has his moments of selfishness), has shown the majority of his decisions are based on what would be the most positive outcome for the greater group. Lee would arguably be more aligned to Rick than Kenny is.
FYI - Assuming this is Graphic Novel Rick? I haven't seen the TV version of Walking dead, are they potrayed the same? is the TV show any good?
Joel is a closer match to Kenny, but even more of a reflection of Jane. They are both loners, self-serving and pretty much broken until they find their placebo's to fill the voids in their life e.g. Sarah/Ellie, Jamie/Clem. They both even end up lying in the end to get what they want (I'm actually quite shocked that everyone was disappointed with the ending of the Last of Us, I thought it fit his character perfectly).
Thats not what happened in my playthrough.
Kenny has always reminded me of Shane. Its the people they care about first, everyone else be damned.
Totally agree. Kenny was in no way like Rick (not the tv version anyway) and everything like Shane.
When you put it that way... Lol.
Why do people keep suggesting this "experiment". No one is going to do anything of the kind.
Yeah, Except when he murders a shit ton of fireflies and destroys even the slightest chance of a cure. (I would too if I had been through that much with a person)
You're a genius, Flog..
Good GAWD I'm just saying. Joel saved Ellie at the cost of humanity's future. (Possibly, there's no way to say this actually could've worked.) I'm not gonna debate what it could've done, other than people do things much worse for the sake of someone/something they love. And what Joel did was far worse in comparison to Kenny killing Jane.
I love Joel, and I would've done the same if I were in his shoes.
I love Kenny, and I would've handled things the same way as Kenny more than likely.
And of course they could've used it as leverage, they were possibly holding humanity's future in their hands.
The fact is, all these games/movies/comics seem to teach us one very important thing.
Family is important if not the most important thing in a dying world. At the end of the day, at the end of everything, it's all we have left. And it doesn't matter if they share the same blood.
Don't forget he also killed the firefly leader, Marlene
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried to find a cure here but, Joel saw his daughter in Ellie, and wouldn't be able to deal with her loss. If you had a daughter, would you sacrifice her to save humanity?