Rick at that point hadn't been that long into the apocalypse yet.
Give him the same time Kenny has been in the apocalypse for, about 2-3ish years, and that would be about the time Rick bites a man's throat out and guts another like a fish after he'd surrendered for threatening his boy.<
The example is way off because Jane wasn't trying to rape kill then eat Clem in front of Kenny then kill Kenny and Clem. Jane doesn't even say she killed the baby, Kenny just assumes that she does. Its also way off because 2-3 years in the apocalypse Rick is watching passively as Negan bashes in Glenn's skull with a baseball bat covered in barbed wire and cant do anything about where as Kenny would probably try to fight Negan in that instance getting the whole group killed.
Also if you want to take the future in consideration the world outside of wellingtons community is harsher than its inside. Kenny only sacrifices their safety if he takes the baby and Clem with him. Thats just as bad as Jane leaving the baby in the car but thats cool with Kenny
And If Jane would of killed the baby on purpose then she would of killed the baby.
It's not way off. Killing the last bandit and making him suffer slowly with the knife after he surrendered is a sane thing to do right?That … moreparticular bandit hadn't actually harmed anyone yet by the time Rick got to him. The point is, each person has a different trigger. Threatening Carl was Rick's, killing the baby was Kenny's. Hell, if Christa were in that situation and Jane told her another baby died, I can see that being her breaking point too.
Also if you wanna take the future into consideration, if Kenny stays with Clem he gets her to Wellington and sacrifices his safety to keep her and AJ alive. Jane said he was becoming like Carver... Carver would NEVER have done something like that.
If you pick "you were right about Jane" option Clem and Kenny point out how they thought she could have done it on purpose because Jane seemed like she was never comfortable with the baby to begin with, and her fame with leaving loved ones behind, which you know is true.
No he did not. They had already failed 12 times to find the cure using immune people. They did not even ask Ellie if she wanted to be die or not, that's fucked up.
Good GAWD I'm just saying. Joel saved Ellie at the cost of humanity's future. (Possibly, there's no way to say this actually could've worked… more.) I'm not gonna debate what it could've done, other than people do things much worse for the sake of someone/something they love. And what Joel did was far worse in comparison to Kenny killing Jane.
I love Joel, and I would've done the same if I were in his shoes.
I love Kenny, and I would've handled things the same way as Kenny more than likely.
And of course they could've used it as leverage, they were possibly holding humanity's future in their hands.
The fact is, all these games/movies/comics seem to teach us one very important thing.
Family is important if not the most important thing in a dying world. At the end of the day, at the end of everything, it's all we have left. And it doesn't matter if they share the same blood.
Lee did beat a man to death over his cheating woman, for example, and that was before the apocalypse. Think about it, if the ZA never happened, Lee would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Despite all that, he's still a great man.
His speech at the RV gives some great insight on Kenny and himself, and a lot of other people.
"Lilly was sad, Clem. That can make people angry sometimes."
"Have you ever been that angry?"
"One time... Clem, people don't always make sense."
"How come?"
" 'Cause bad things happen to everyone one. And it's hard to keep being yourself after they do."
I saw men beat shit out of each other for a cheating woman, whom they know isnt worth it. And you think that anyone would just shrug off the… more death of a baby like it doesnt matter, and just say its OK, we'll bang again and make another one?
I also saw people lose their child. They sent their child for a swim with their friends (parents friends) and child drowned.
When that happens you see red.
And if you believe that your family would simply be just stern with you, you are fooling yourself.
The best thing you can hope for is that they refuse any further contact with you.
Kenny would never have gotten to the point where Carver was. That's completely out of character for him.
Carver would never have sacrificed himself for another person, and Kenny would never abuse shoot a kid like Carver does if Clem fails certain quicktimes.
First off, I loved how you referenced that wish Lee had, of wanting Kenny to be Clementine's guardian.
I as Lee, also picked Kenny to look after Clem.
Not just because Lee and Kenny were pals in my game, but also after I saw how far he was willing to go to protect his family, there was no one I trusted more.
And also, I personally let Kenny kill Jane.
And I supported it
I could tell Jane was manipulative and self-centered.
She abandoned Clementine and the group before, and I knew she would do it again at the next opportunity.
And the fact that she left little Alvie in a freezing car, while she played her sick little game, showed just how crazy she was.
Kenny would never have gotten to the point where Carver was. That's completely out of character for him.
Carver would never have sacrific… moreed himself for another person, and Kenny would never abuse shoot a kid like Carver does if Clem fails certain quicktimes.
I am just saying to hide the baby and come back saying it was an accident. When asked where the baby is continue saying it was an accident and cry.
See what happens
Kenny would never have gotten to the point where Carver was. That's completely out of character for him.
Carver would never have sacrific… moreed himself for another person, and Kenny would never abuse shoot a kid like Carver does if Clem fails certain quicktimes.
He didn't. But he will.
This is why I finished my post with "you're lying to yourself" you Kenny fans think whatever you want. Kenny would never hurt a fly!
Kenny is similar to both of them, yet very different in a lot of ways. It's fair to compare and contrast them, but not to say that any of them is equal to another.
No arguments here, from what we know of Jamie via dialogue with Jane, Jamie and Clem are nothing alike. We also know that the decision to leave Jamie behind still haunts her, I can't recall off the top of my head but doesn't Rebecca diss her about this and which leads to Jane walking away upset. In addition, she doesn't really want to me alone despite what she says, you can hear this dialogue if you choose not to forgive her after shooting Kenny, these are the only times when she appears vunerable.
Enter Clem, a young girl who may have been the same age as Jamie at some stage, we do know Jamie's leather jacket would of fit her so it is possible (but just speculation) and is a more idealised version of what Jane would want Jamie to be during the current world state. So not only does Jane get to relive the older/younder sister dynamic, she won't be alone either. You could also, argue the fact that by having Clem at her side she no longer feels the guilt she does by leaving Jamie beihind, hence she is is Jane's placebo pill.
Joel is the same as Jane, he knows that Ellie and Sarah are not the same person, but this is a way for him to cope with the survivors guilt that he's held onto for a very long time.
Kenny & Joel are interesting, I would argue that Kenny needs a reason to survive and motivate (like S1 family, Sarita, AJ, Clem ect) whilst Joel is pretty much broken and going through the motions but I will agree that Joel at the end of the game has aligned to Kenny's outlook on post-apocolypse life. Personality wise I agree, Kenny and Joel are nothing alike.
But this is really putting these characters under a microscope because I think at the end of the day, Kenny, Jane, Joel and Rick are all very unique and wonderfully written.
I liked the ending of Last of Us. I actually thought the Fireflies were just as messed up as the "goverment" they were fighting. The world o… moref "the last of us" didn't need a cure, the zombies there were the least of the world's problem. It was people killing each other that was the problem.
Back to the game, I don't think Jane was seeing Jamie in Clem. Yes, leaving Jamie behind weighed on her, but Clem was nothing like Jamie. Jamie was a constant drag, Clem could hold her own. Jane even taught Clem a few tricks, which is something she could have never shared with Jamie. Jane genuinely liked Clem for who she was, not as a stand in for Jamie. Jane left Jamie behind. She didn't lose her like Kenny lost Duck or Katja. She was forced by circumstance, yes, but I imagine Kenny would have stayed and died before leaving Duck.
In contrast, Clem and AJ are straight up stand ins for Kenny. It's most obvious when he calls her Duck, but its evident in… [view original content]
Im pretty sure if anyone was going to rape your son in front of your face and kill your group clearly having intent to do just so, anyone would try stop them at all cost. That's obviously not just a Kenny thing. That doesn't make Kenny a Rick.
Rick is Rick because of his willingness to work with others and his understanding of humanity. He knows that a group is stronger as a whole and will do almost everything to cool tensions among group members.
It is less he killed them (because any sane person would do the same). And more the method in how Rick killed them. He was an animal. He tore a man's throat out with his teeth and tore the other to pieces. It came up again when he and the group tortured and killed off the Hunters instead of simply killing them in self-defense. They were losing their humanity.
Of course every person in TWD is batshit crazy anyway.
Im pretty sure if anyone was going to rape your son in front of your face and kill your group clearly having intent to do just so, anyone wo… moreuld try stop them at all cost. That's obviously not just a Kenny thing. That doesn't make Kenny a Rick.
Rick is Rick because of his willingness to work with others and his understanding of humanity. He knows that a group is stronger as a whole and will do almost everything to cool tensions among group members.
Don't even think of comparing Kenny to the awesome Rick.
Rick would never have killed Jane, he would have maybe hit her or yelled but he … moredoesn't kill for fun or to satisfy anger management issues.
If anything Rick would have killed Kenny the moment he started going insane as he's a threat to everyone and causes the group to go to heck.
Also, Jane didn't say she killed the baby. She said it was an accident and the baby was gone. Stop trying to twist things, Kenny lover.
So much wrong with your comment. Rick wouldn't have killed Jane? The fuck? Have you read the comics? Also Kenny didn't know that she didn't … morekill it, she tried to provoke him... Rick has beaten people to a bloody pulp infront of his people, he bit a bandit's throat because he tried to rape Carl, he tried to fight Negan WITH ONE ARM, infront of all the armed Saviors. Yup, sounds like Kenny.
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The example is way off because Jane wasn't trying to rape kill then eat Clem in front of Kenny then kill Kenny and Clem. Jane doesn't even say she killed the baby, Kenny just assumes that she does. Its also way off because 2-3 years in the apocalypse Rick is watching passively as Negan bashes in Glenn's skull with a baseball bat covered in barbed wire and cant do anything about where as Kenny would probably try to fight Negan in that instance getting the whole group killed.
Also if you want to take the future in consideration the world outside of wellingtons community is harsher than its inside. Kenny only sacrifices their safety if he takes the baby and Clem with him. Thats just as bad as Jane leaving the baby in the car but thats cool with Kenny
And If Jane would of killed the baby on purpose then she would of killed the baby.
No he did not. They had already failed 12 times to find the cure using immune people. They did not even ask Ellie if she wanted to be die or not, that's fucked up.
Good point.
Lee did beat a man to death over his cheating woman, for example, and that was before the apocalypse. Think about it, if the ZA never happened, Lee would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Despite all that, he's still a great man.
His speech at the RV gives some great insight on Kenny and himself, and a lot of other people.
"Lilly was sad, Clem. That can make people angry sometimes."
"Have you ever been that angry?"
"One time... Clem, people don't always make sense."
"How come?"
" 'Cause bad things happen to everyone one. And it's hard to keep being yourself after they do."
Kenny would never have gotten to the point where Carver was. That's completely out of character for him.
Carver would never have sacrificed himself for another person, and Kenny would never abuse shoot a kid like Carver does if Clem fails certain quicktimes.
First off, I loved how you referenced that wish Lee had, of wanting Kenny to be Clementine's guardian.
I as Lee, also picked Kenny to look after Clem.
Not just because Lee and Kenny were pals in my game, but also after I saw how far he was willing to go to protect his family, there was no one I trusted more.
And also, I personally let Kenny kill Jane.
And I supported it
I could tell Jane was manipulative and self-centered.
She abandoned Clementine and the group before, and I knew she would do it again at the next opportunity.
And the fact that she left little Alvie in a freezing car, while she played her sick little game, showed just how crazy she was.
Agreed.
Kenny was nothing like Carver.
I would be so hard for me to kill my own familly, jesus man
I am just saying to hide the baby and come back saying it was an accident. When asked where the baby is continue saying it was an accident and cry.
See what happens
He didn't. But he will.
This is why I finished my post with "you're lying to yourself" you Kenny fans think whatever you want. Kenny would never hurt a fly!
Will what? You're not making any sense
Kenny is similar to both of them, yet very different in a lot of ways. It's fair to compare and contrast them, but not to say that any of them is equal to another.
Let's not forget Rick bit a bandit in the throat for threatening to kill carl, and stabbed another repeatedly for attempting to rape him.
No arguments here, from what we know of Jamie via dialogue with Jane, Jamie and Clem are nothing alike. We also know that the decision to leave Jamie behind still haunts her, I can't recall off the top of my head but doesn't Rebecca diss her about this and which leads to Jane walking away upset. In addition, she doesn't really want to me alone despite what she says, you can hear this dialogue if you choose not to forgive her after shooting Kenny, these are the only times when she appears vunerable.
Enter Clem, a young girl who may have been the same age as Jamie at some stage, we do know Jamie's leather jacket would of fit her so it is possible (but just speculation) and is a more idealised version of what Jane would want Jamie to be during the current world state. So not only does Jane get to relive the older/younder sister dynamic, she won't be alone either. You could also, argue the fact that by having Clem at her side she no longer feels the guilt she does by leaving Jamie beihind, hence she is is Jane's placebo pill.
Joel is the same as Jane, he knows that Ellie and Sarah are not the same person, but this is a way for him to cope with the survivors guilt that he's held onto for a very long time.
Kenny & Joel are interesting, I would argue that Kenny needs a reason to survive and motivate (like S1 family, Sarita, AJ, Clem ect) whilst Joel is pretty much broken and going through the motions but I will agree that Joel at the end of the game has aligned to Kenny's outlook on post-apocolypse life. Personality wise I agree, Kenny and Joel are nothing alike.
But this is really putting these characters under a microscope because I think at the end of the day, Kenny, Jane, Joel and Rick are all very unique and wonderfully written.
Im pretty sure if anyone was going to rape your son in front of your face and kill your group clearly having intent to do just so, anyone would try stop them at all cost. That's obviously not just a Kenny thing. That doesn't make Kenny a Rick.
Rick is Rick because of his willingness to work with others and his understanding of humanity. He knows that a group is stronger as a whole and will do almost everything to cool tensions among group members.
I'm pretty sure that happens in everyone's playthrough, other than the dying part.
It is less he killed them (because any sane person would do the same). And more the method in how Rick killed them. He was an animal. He tore a man's throat out with his teeth and tore the other to pieces. It came up again when he and the group tortured and killed off the Hunters instead of simply killing them in self-defense. They were losing their humanity.
Of course every person in TWD is batshit crazy anyway.
Have you even read the comics cause the comic Rick would of deffintley killed Jane if he found out she killed Carl
I think that Rick and Kenny would make a badass team.