Agreed. Also, the Jane endings are either "Clem's becoming a worse person for leaving a family out to die" or "Jane's becoming a better person." Neither of those ends with a positive note on Clementine, which is wrong seeing how she was the primary focus in S2.
Exactly.
Far from being "sugarcoated", it's exactly the opposite : Kenny's endings are the logical completion of Kenny's story arc.
I … morethink people who complain about Kenny endings being sugarcoated, or too happy, etc. are envious of the feelings Kenny lovers get from them, and that they're better written. While Jane endings are either a completely depressing "we went full cynical and selfish" ending (which you can appreciate if you were one of those "survival at all costs, fuck friends and values" players, but provides no good feels) or a more optimistic feeling where you can see that Jane is becoming a better person, but who still ends on an ambiguous note because you can't feel entirely happy of your choice because of the dad (see all those threads where people don't trust him or had a bad feeling as soon as they saw the gun). Besides, being told "nice hat" by a boy as ultimate scene before credits roll, it can bring a smile at best, but it's kinda anti-climatic and falls flat somehow.
I just don't like how the Kenny endings are such sunshine and rainbow, when we're talking about a character with some pretty deep issues. I don't hate Kenny but surely no one is gonna deny that he's got some problems, right?
I think it just would have been cooler if the endings somehow displayed the darker side of him more. I was honestly kinda scared of him throughout the second season.. He had already attacked Clem verbally, and I don't think it would have been impossible for him to snap and actually hurt her physically.. An apologizy would not have gotten him out of that one.
OP you assume Kenny's intention for the baby was to have him for himself all along.
You make it sound like at any point he had been going… more full Gollum "my AJ, my own, my preciousss", not bearing that anyone but him would even touch AJ.
Actually you can see on plenty occasions he was always comfortable with other members of the group holding the baby, even those he didn't personally get along with. Which is something knowing Kenny. And why ? Because he knows the baby is safe with them and THAT's what's important, more than his own personal feelings towards this or that person. For that, he is able to swallow his pride.
And that was his obsession at the end of the season : the survival of children, Clem and the baby, and that they might live a good life or at the very least get a fighting chance in this world. He focused more on the baby because he's completely vulnerable, while Clem has already proven on a lot of instances that she doe… [view original content]
Maybe. But I feel Kenny was far too shell-shocked by what he did, and figured there and then he wanted the best for Clemetine. In the Wellington ending, he mentions how he feels guilty for what he put Clementine through. So perhaps he thought the same thing Jane did, Clementine can and will survive on her own with little to no problem.
I think that bringing back Kenny in the first place was slightly questionable. I just really didnt think they'd give him that type of Superhero survival uknow. Allthough I am more than happy with the kind of character developement he went through, he really was a changed man this season.
Exactly the problem is that the season 2 never felt harsh not even episode 3.The thing is season 2 presented plots in terms of shock value and it may work sometimes(spectacularly even).But that was exactly what season 1 did "NOT" do it didnt try to surprise you .You knew duck and lee were going to die at least an episode before and the depression came as they gradually progressed to their deaths sure katjaa and carley/doug death may have been shocking but atleast you connected with them brfore.In s2 i had no feeling whatsoever for carlos sarah and alvin,s death as i never got to connect with them(really i got maybe 2 scenes to talk with them).Season 1 imo balanced the inevitable and the unexpected perfectly to give us a harsh unforgiving experience but season 2 never felt like that not even at the end it was emotional true but kenny,s relationship with clementine was beginning to break after episode 3.And hence I never felt depressed rather i felt conflicted about the endings i taken because the endings were spectacularly crap(mine atleast)Really telltale if you want show a throwback scene telling us no decision is right/wrong then you should have tried to make all the endings as good as the another.
I think that bringing back Kenny in the first place was slightly questionable. I just really didnt think they'd give him that type of Superh… moreero survival uknow. Allthough I am more than happy with the kind of character developement he went through, he really was a changed man this season.
He might've come over as a mean redneck insulting person. But that's because he lost his girlfriend AGAIN and was depressed. He didn't mean the things he said.
Kenny is a caring man that wants the best for the kids. My ending proved it .
I just don't like how the Kenny endings are such sunshine and rainbow, when we're talking about a character with some pretty deep issues. I … moredon't hate Kenny but surely no one is gonna deny that he's got some problems, right?
I think it just would have been cooler if the endings somehow displayed the darker side of him more. I was honestly kinda scared of him throughout the second season.. He had already attacked Clem verbally, and I don't think it would have been impossible for him to snap and actually hurt her physically.. An apologizy would not have gotten him out of that one.
I don't see Kenny getting 'out of character' for letting them walk away. Even less for leaving them at Wellington. You really think Kenny won't be following them from far away? Or camping near Wellington? Plus the reason Kenny never argued against Clementine, was because she was different than the others. She is a child first, and second, the only thing he cares about, besides Saritah and AJ. It can be argued he cares more about Clementine than those two.
Is it out f character that he gave his life for Clem in Carver's? Asking the question you ask feels like that one.
Anyway, I think Kenny would be following Clementine for far away. Unfortunately for me, I think that about Jane too. And I hate Jane.
A train was a great idea. Sure it makes a lotta noise, but he didn't think he would had stayed in Savanah that long. The boat was also a great idea, go North in the water where Walkers can't get to you. ut not into the open ocean, but close to land, so whenever they need to stack up, hey can go.
Are you stupid? Both the boat and the train were good ideas! If fucking Vernon hadn't stolen the boat and the stranger hadn't shown up, they could have all taken off together. Also, how was the train a bad idea? Everyone in the group agreed to go to Savannah by train (including Lee) and without it, itwould have took forever to get there.
A train was a great idea. Sure it makes a lotta noise, but he didn't think he would had stayed in Savanah that long. The boat was also a gre… moreat idea, go North in the water where Walkers can't get to you. ut not into the open ocean, but close to land, so whenever they need to stack up, hey can go.
The train took them straight to Savannah, and the boat was in Savannah, these two things made Savannah their priority, they went to Savannah and.... Lee got bitten, Kenny got separated, Ben died, Clementine went to The Stranger, Christa had to take care of Omid, the group met Molly and nearly faced death in her hands, Vernon stole the boat, they found out that Crawford was dead, Bree got devoured, Chuck committed suicide.
Are you stupid? Both the boat and the train were good ideas! If fucking Vernon hadn't stolen the boat and the stranger hadn't shown up, they… more could have all taken off together. Also, how was the train a bad idea? Everyone in the group agreed to go to Savannah by train (including Lee) and without it, itwould have took forever to get there.
Not really true though. Omid and Christa in Ep1 was relentless, all the characters whom were killed made it feel more relentless than S1 to me, there were less positive scenes and determinants don't even last two eps. Kenny coming back isn't that odd, there was always speculation and ways he could've escaped
I think that bringing back Kenny in the first place was slightly questionable. I just really didnt think they'd give him that type of Superh… moreero survival uknow. Allthough I am more than happy with the kind of character developement he went through, he really was a changed man this season.
He started to feel guilty after killing Jane and realizing AJ was still alive. Like, he killed a person who didn't actually do anything wrong (except lie).
...what was my point again? xD
After the Arvo beating, he specifically promised my Clem that we would never do anything like that again. Well, some hours later hes duking it out with Jane, and refuses to listen to my pleas to stop. Sure its a different situation, but I had no trust left for the guy.
Its not that hes a bad person, I was just afraid he couldn't control himself anymore. What if Wellington didn't exist afterall? What if the baby gets hurt on the way there? There is only one person that he can take his agressions out on, and thats Clem. Sure he swears he would never do that, but his word wasn't worth much to me anymore.
You think Kenny is satan lmao?
He might've come over as a mean redneck insulting person. But that's because he lost his girlfriend AGAIN … moreand was depressed. He didn't mean the things he said.
Kenny is a caring man that wants the best for the kids. My ending proved it .
The train took them straight to Savannah, and the boat was in Savannah, these two things made Savannah their priority, they went to Savannah… more and.... Lee got bitten, Kenny got separated, Ben died, Clementine went to The Stranger, Christa had to take care of Omid, the group met Molly and nearly faced death in her hands, Vernon stole the boat, they found out that Crawford was dead, Bree got devoured, Chuck committed suicide.
No I think they fit perfectly with his character. Kenny's character have always been about helping those you care about, like he says in season 1 when you encounter the dead couple in the mansion. Or when he tells you "you fed the children and that is what a real man does" when you give food to Duck and Clementine but not him and Katjaa.
Kenny willingly sacrificed himself to help a person he wronged and save Lee, or save Christa when he made a mistake. And he wilfully sacrificed himself to give the children a chance to live.
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Agreed. Also, the Jane endings are either "Clem's becoming a worse person for leaving a family out to die" or "Jane's becoming a better person." Neither of those ends with a positive note on Clementine, which is wrong seeing how she was the primary focus in S2.
I just don't like how the Kenny endings are such sunshine and rainbow, when we're talking about a character with some pretty deep issues. I don't hate Kenny but surely no one is gonna deny that he's got some problems, right?
I think it just would have been cooler if the endings somehow displayed the darker side of him more. I was honestly kinda scared of him throughout the second season.. He had already attacked Clem verbally, and I don't think it would have been impossible for him to snap and actually hurt her physically.. An apologizy would not have gotten him out of that one.
Maybe. But I feel Kenny was far too shell-shocked by what he did, and figured there and then he wanted the best for Clemetine. In the Wellington ending, he mentions how he feels guilty for what he put Clementine through. So perhaps he thought the same thing Jane did, Clementine can and will survive on her own with little to no problem.
Okay. You will find my answer two posts below.
I think that bringing back Kenny in the first place was slightly questionable. I just really didnt think they'd give him that type of Superhero survival uknow. Allthough I am more than happy with the kind of character developement he went through, he really was a changed man this season.
You mean KENNY SHITTY ENDINGS?
Exactly the problem is that the season 2 never felt harsh not even episode 3.The thing is season 2 presented plots in terms of shock value and it may work sometimes(spectacularly even).But that was exactly what season 1 did "NOT" do it didnt try to surprise you .You knew duck and lee were going to die at least an episode before and the depression came as they gradually progressed to their deaths sure katjaa and carley/doug death may have been shocking but atleast you connected with them brfore.In s2 i had no feeling whatsoever for carlos sarah and alvin,s death as i never got to connect with them(really i got maybe 2 scenes to talk with them).Season 1 imo balanced the inevitable and the unexpected perfectly to give us a harsh unforgiving experience but season 2 never felt like that not even at the end it was emotional true but kenny,s relationship with clementine was beginning to break after episode 3.And hence I never felt depressed rather i felt conflicted about the endings i taken because the endings were spectacularly crap(mine atleast)Really telltale if you want show a throwback scene telling us no decision is right/wrong then you should have tried to make all the endings as good as the another.
You think Kenny is satan lmao?
He might've come over as a mean redneck insulting person. But that's because he lost his girlfriend AGAIN and was depressed. He didn't mean the things he said.
Kenny is a caring man that wants the best for the kids. My ending proved it .
I don't see Kenny getting 'out of character' for letting them walk away. Even less for leaving them at Wellington. You really think Kenny won't be following them from far away? Or camping near Wellington? Plus the reason Kenny never argued against Clementine, was because she was different than the others. She is a child first, and second, the only thing he cares about, besides Saritah and AJ. It can be argued he cares more about Clementine than those two.
Is it out f character that he gave his life for Clem in Carver's? Asking the question you ask feels like that one.
Anyway, I think Kenny would be following Clementine for far away. Unfortunately for me, I think that about Jane too. And I hate Jane.
A train was a great idea. Sure it makes a lotta noise, but he didn't think he would had stayed in Savanah that long. The boat was also a great idea, go North in the water where Walkers can't get to you. ut not into the open ocean, but close to land, so whenever they need to stack up, hey can go.
Are you stupid? Both the boat and the train were good ideas! If fucking Vernon hadn't stolen the boat and the stranger hadn't shown up, they could have all taken off together. Also, how was the train a bad idea? Everyone in the group agreed to go to Savannah by train (including Lee) and without it, itwould have took forever to get there.
Trains and Boats need fuel to run, not to mention they practically had no supplies left.
The train took them straight to Savannah, and the boat was in Savannah, these two things made Savannah their priority, they went to Savannah and.... Lee got bitten, Kenny got separated, Ben died, Clementine went to The Stranger, Christa had to take care of Omid, the group met Molly and nearly faced death in her hands, Vernon stole the boat, they found out that Crawford was dead, Bree got devoured, Chuck committed suicide.
Not really true though. Omid and Christa in Ep1 was relentless, all the characters whom were killed made it feel more relentless than S1 to me, there were less positive scenes and determinants don't even last two eps. Kenny coming back isn't that odd, there was always speculation and ways he could've escaped
He started to feel guilty after killing Jane and realizing AJ was still alive. Like, he killed a person who didn't actually do anything wrong (except lie).
...what was my point again? xD
After the Arvo beating, he specifically promised my Clem that we would never do anything like that again. Well, some hours later hes duking it out with Jane, and refuses to listen to my pleas to stop. Sure its a different situation, but I had no trust left for the guy.
Its not that hes a bad person, I was just afraid he couldn't control himself anymore. What if Wellington didn't exist afterall? What if the baby gets hurt on the way there? There is only one person that he can take his agressions out on, and thats Clem. Sure he swears he would never do that, but his word wasn't worth much to me anymore.
But the train or boat didn't cause any of that.
But the goal of trying to get the boat and using the train did lead to that.
No I think they fit perfectly with his character. Kenny's character have always been about helping those you care about, like he says in season 1 when you encounter the dead couple in the mansion. Or when he tells you "you fed the children and that is what a real man does" when you give food to Duck and Clementine but not him and Katjaa.
Kenny willingly sacrificed himself to help a person he wronged and save Lee, or save Christa when he made a mistake. And he wilfully sacrificed himself to give the children a chance to live.