This thread will end up in being a Kenny vs Jane thread because the question is highly subjective. Almost everybody could be seen as an antagonist during the last episode.
Well, she did let Sarah die and blamed it on Sarah by saying Sarah wanted to die, then she wanted to start a fight with Kenny... But in the end she got what she deserved. So I'd say she was a villain but Carver was much worse because he beat Kenny up, Threw Reggie off the roof and killed him, and nearly killed Alvin yet treated everyone like his slaves.
Well, she did let Sarah die and blamed it on Sarah by saying Sarah wanted to die, then she wanted to start a fight with Kenny... But in the … moreend she got what she deserved. So I'd say she was a villain but Carver was much worse because he beat Kenny up, Threw Reggie off the roof and killed him, and nearly killed Alvin yet treated everyone like his slaves.
Please don't forget that depending on your choices Jane will jump down the balcony in EP4 trying to save Sarah.
But yes I agree Carver was definitely the villain here.
Basically when it comes to the forums right now.....
Kenny Fans/Jane haters: Jane was the true antagonist
Jane Fans/ Kenny Haters: Kenny was the true antagonist
To me, it was obviously Kenny... The entire group votes to go south, and no Kenny just got have it his way. It was clear, from the group trying to keep Kenny off Arvo, from the fight scene.. The antagonist was Kenny.
It was based on personal opinions ..
To me, it was obviously Kenny... The entire group votes to go south, and no Kenny just got have it h… moreis way. It was clear, from the group trying to keep Kenny off Arvo, from the fight scene.. The antagonist was Kenny.
I'd say it roulette'd between different antagonists like Season 1 did, for better or worse.
Conventionally speaking, Carver and Arvo are generally considered the two convenient Big Bads of at least two episodes each and they both present very different conflicts, "threat" levels, and impacts for the group. Carver was clearly intended to be the Main Villain of the story proper, while Arvo just kinda wandered in and was designated the new one since there wasn't any other character that would fit as nicely in the long-term due to their actual prominence.
Looking at the whole thing though, it could be argued that the whole Rogue's Gallery also includes Michelle(the Starter Villain), The North Carolina Scavengers(similar to Michelle; which by extension were seemingly led by Roman), Buricko(the true leader of the Russian Group who gets deposed within minutes; Arvo was just kinda the guy the audience already knows and that's left behind to take the blame), and Jane(alternate between Nominal Hero, Token Evil Teammate, and some form of corrupting plague), with Rebecca, Nick, and at times Kenny acting as Hero Antagonists.
That does not stop him from being the undeniable closest thing to A Main Villain the story has.
It's entirely possible to have the villain care about something and still ultimately be evil as far as the main plot goes. After all, if a villain doesn't care, then why would they need to be stopped most of the time?
The good old Season 2 discussions
And, uh, yeah I don't think that neither Jane or Kenny were the antagonists of Season 2. Even if I hate Jane and like Kenny, she clearly wasn't a antagonist. Should be the same about Kenny for the Jane-fans(it doesn't even make sence, since Kenny was supposed to be the antagonist of Season 2 but they scrapped it, so he can't be the antagonist of Season 2 since they changed it).
To answer the question: Carver (til the end of episode 3) and the russians (after episode 3 til the end of Season 2).
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Kenny could arguably called the antagonist too
This thread will end up in being a Kenny vs Jane thread because the question is highly subjective. Almost everybody could be seen as an antagonist during the last episode.
Well, she did let Sarah die and blamed it on Sarah by saying Sarah wanted to die, then she wanted to start a fight with Kenny... But in the end she got what she deserved. So I'd say she was a villain but Carver was much worse because he beat Kenny up, Threw Reggie off the roof and killed him, and nearly killed Alvin yet treated everyone like his slaves.
Sarah wouldn't leave though
Basically when it comes to the forums right now.....
Kenny Fans/Jane haters: Jane was the true antagonist
Jane Fans/ Kenny Haters: Kenny was the true antagonist
Carver is the true antagonist of Season 2. Jane cares about Clem, Carver didn't care about anyone.
Please don't forget that depending on your choices Jane will jump down the balcony in EP4 trying to save Sarah.
But yes I agree Carver was definitely the villain here.
Well to be fair he MIGHT have cared about his group
If you slap her then she leaves and comes with Clem then falls off the deck and Jane just lets her die.
Carver was the reason the whole group died. If they didn't have to leave because of him they would all probably be alive right now.
In all honesty I think this is the reaction Telltale was hoping for. So Good Job Telltale
Jane.
I think he likes people at most (only the strong ones), but doesn't care about them.
She tried to save her for me
Maybe but remember he didn't always used to be like this according to Rebecca
She fakes it. And she isn't even sad when Sarah dies.
Depends on how you view events/people. For me it was Carver, Arvo, and Jane.
Well she drops down there where there is a fuck ton of walkers so why fake it? She wasn't and she wasn't sad cause she didn't know her
The reasons she stops is because she gets hit on the head by a large piece of wood during the attempt.
If there wasnt an option to save him i wouldve been sure he was the antagonist
The human condition and how we hold and tear each other apart.
Clem's inner struggle to sustain her own personality.
It was based on personal opinions ..
To me, it was obviously Kenny... The entire group votes to go south, and no Kenny just got have it his way. It was clear, from the group trying to keep Kenny off Arvo, from the fight scene.. The antagonist was Kenny.
That's what i hate about kenny he throws a tantrum when people don't agree with him
The main character was the antagonist, the ZA.
Carver was a dick, but I felt like Kenny was the true villain of Season 2 albeit a tragic one.
Part 1 Carver, Part 2 Arvo.
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Part 1 - Carver
Part 2 - Kenny
I'd say it roulette'd between different antagonists like Season 1 did, for better or worse.
Conventionally speaking, Carver and Arvo are generally considered the two convenient Big Bads of at least two episodes each and they both present very different conflicts, "threat" levels, and impacts for the group. Carver was clearly intended to be the Main Villain of the story proper, while Arvo just kinda wandered in and was designated the new one since there wasn't any other character that would fit as nicely in the long-term due to their actual prominence.
Looking at the whole thing though, it could be argued that the whole Rogue's Gallery also includes Michelle(the Starter Villain), The North Carolina Scavengers(similar to Michelle; which by extension were seemingly led by Roman), Buricko(the true leader of the Russian Group who gets deposed within minutes; Arvo was just kinda the guy the audience already knows and that's left behind to take the blame), and Jane(alternate between Nominal Hero, Token Evil Teammate, and some form of corrupting plague), with Rebecca, Nick, and at times Kenny acting as Hero Antagonists.
Arvo
That does not stop him from being the undeniable closest thing to A Main Villain the story has.
It's entirely possible to have the villain care about something and still ultimately be evil as far as the main plot goes. After all, if a villain doesn't care, then why would they need to be stopped most of the time?
I wouldn't saying faking it so much as being stubborn about just doing it and then utterly fucking it up once it's clear she has no choice but to try.
The good old Season 2 discussions
And, uh, yeah I don't think that neither Jane or Kenny were the antagonists of Season 2. Even if I hate Jane and like Kenny, she clearly wasn't a antagonist. Should be the same about Kenny for the Jane-fans(it doesn't even make sence, since Kenny was supposed to be the antagonist of Season 2 but they scrapped it, so he can't be the antagonist of Season 2 since they changed it).
To answer the question: Carver (til the end of episode 3) and the russians (after episode 3 til the end of Season 2).